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samAdhAnaH- ... to hai nahI.n. dravyasvarUpase dekhe to mereme.n yah nahI.n hai, mai.n to j~nAyak shuddhAtmA hU.N. yah jo vibhAvik vastu to sab Uparase AyI huI, Upar-UparakI hai, mUl a.ntarame.n nahI.n hai. isaliye mere mUlame.n nahI.n hai. vah AyI hai, ab vah Tale kaise? isaliye use TAlanekA prayatna aur apanA shuddha svarUp pragaT karanekA usakA prayatna chalatA hai.

mumukShuH- is prayojanase vah is prakArase vichAr karatA hai? j~nAname.n aisA jAnaneke bAvajUd, ruchime.n mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, is prayojanapUrvak?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. mere svabhAvame.n to nahI.n hai. use ruchi to aisI hai. ruchi, pratItame.n aisA hai ki yah mere svabhAvame.n nahI.n hai. parantu vah hai to sahI. vah hai to Tale kaise? mUl vastume.n nahI.n hai, lekin paryAyame.n yah Upar-Uparase AyA hai. ab vah Tale kaise? mUl vastume.n nahI.n hai, parantu yah paryAyame.n Upar-Uparase AyA hai, vah Tale kaise? use TAlanekA prayatna (karatA hai). mereme.n nahI.n hai, isaliye ab TAlanekA prayatna kaise ho, usakA upAy khojakar svaya.n TAlanekA prayatna karake, mere svabhAvame.n nahI.n hai, mai.n usakA kartA nahI.n hU.N, mai.n anAdi ananta j~nAyak hI hU.N. dono.nme.n virodh nahI.n hotA. yadi a.ntarame.n dono.nkI apekShA samajhe. mUlame.n nahI.n hai to vah Tal jAtA hai. mUlame.n ho to Tale kaise? mUlame.n nahI.n hai isIliye vah TalatA hai. mUlame.n ho to-to usakA svabhAv ho jAye. to Tale nahI.n. aur vah duHkharUp hai. apanA svabhAv to duHkharUp hotA nahI.n. isaliye yah sab Uparase AyA huA hai, vah pariNati chalI jAye aur merA svabhAv hai vah pragaT ho jAye. isaprakAr usakI ruchi apane svabhAvakI or rahatI hai ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N aur yah Tale kaise? yah sab use ruchime.n rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- bahut sundar! mAtAjI! apane pIChalI bAr spaShTIkaraN kiyA thA usame.n Aj bhI adhik spaShTIkaraN huA. ... ruchime.n aise lenA ki mai.n to j~nAyak hI hU.N aur rAg-dveSh mereme.n merese atya.nt bhinna hai. mereme.n hote hI nahI.n. mai.n..

samAdhAnaH- bhinna hU.N. bhinna hU.N to pragaTarUpase bhinna paDanekA use prayatna chalatA hai ki pragaTarUpase bhinna kaise hoU.N? j~nAname.n use dono.n Ate hai.n ki yah mereme.n hotA

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hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, lekin vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. isaprakAr j~nAname.n sab jAnatA hai. aur usame.n (-ruchime.n) mai.n jAnanevAlA ek j~nAyak hU.N. mereme.n nahI.n hai. pratItame.n-ruchime.n aise rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- ruchi arthAt shraddhAname.n use aisA rahatA hai ki mere dravyame.n-svabhAvame.n to rAg hai nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, shraddhA. shraddhA kaho, pratIt kaho, ruchi kaho.

mumukShuH- shraddhA anusAr vartan (kyo.n nahI.n hotA)? shraddhA-vishvAs pakA huA, phikShar chAritrame.n kyo.n der lagatI ho?

samAdhAnaH- usake prayatnakI kachAs hai. shraddhAkA jor hai ki aise hI hai. to A.nshik to use ho jAtA hai. amuk a.nsh to pragaT ho jAtA hai. jahA.N shraddhA yathArtha hotI hai vahA.N j~nAyakakI pariNit amuk prakArase to pragaT ho jAtI hai. usase bhinna paD jAtA hai. use svAnubhUti hotI hai, usase bhinna paDe, lekin use thoDA bAkI rahatA hai. vah usake prayatnakI kShati hai. lekin shraddhAme.n itanA bal hai ki prayatna karake bhI avashya pragaT hotA hai. pAr ho jAyegA. prayatna usakA chAlU hI rahatA hai. usakA prayatna ChUT nahI.n jAtA. prayatna chAlU hI rahatA hai.

kShaN-kShaName.n jo vibhAv pariNati utpanna hotI hai, usake sAmane usakA prayatna utanA joradAr khaDA rahatA hai. shraddhAkA bal aur j~nAyakakI pariNati svaya.n apanI or, apanI pariNatiko khI.NchatA huA svaya.n pratikShaN khaDA rahatA hai. usake prayatname.n jitanA ho utanA use sahajarUpase rahatA hai. bAkI thoDI der lagatI hai, prayatnakI kachAs hai isaliye.

j~nAyakadhArA pratikShaN maujUd rahatI hai. usame.n (-vibhAvame.n) tanmay nahI.n ho jAtA. utanA prayatna usakA pragaT huA hai. shraddhAke balake sAth utanA prayatna to use joradAr rahatA hai ki ekatva hotA hI nahI.n. usake sAth jo anAdise ekatva thA, ab ekatva nahI.n hotA. bhinna hI bhinna, pratyek kAryame.n bhinna hI rahatA hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT huyI. (vibhAvake) sAth ekatva to hotA hI nahI.n. kisI bhI kShaName.n ekatva nahI.n hotA. usake prayatnase ekatva (nahI.n hotA). sahaj aisA usakA prayatna chalatA hai. koI kAryame.n, vibhAv sambandhit koI vikalpame.n, shubhAshubhake kisI bhI vikalpame.n ekatva nahI.n hotA. shubh vikalpa U.Nchese U.NchA ho to bhI ekatva to hotA hI nahI.n. kisI bhI kShaName.n ekatva nahI.n hotA. itanA prayatna usakA chAlU rahatA hai. phir visheSh prayatna chAritradashAme.n der lagatI hai. kisIko turanta hotA hai, kisIko der lagatI hai.

mumukShuH- ... dhIrA hokar j~nAyakako mukhya lakShaN dvArA pahachAnakar vahA.N sthir rahe athavA to usakA avalamban le to.. j~nAn lakShaN arthAt jAnatA hai.. jAnatA hai..

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vah mai.n hU.N. yah jAnapanA hotA hai..

samAdhAnaH- bAharakA jAnapanA nahI.n. jo jAnanevAlA svabhAv hai vah mai.n hU.N. jAnan lakShaN hai vah mai.n hU.N.

mumukShuH- bAharakA jAnapanA nahI.n. bAharakA jAnapane dvArA yah jAnanevAlA hai vah mai.n hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. vibhAvakA veg itanA chal rahA hai, us vegapUrvak bahatA hai usame.n dhIrA hokar dekhe to svaya.nko grahaN kar sakatA hai. usakA vibhAvakA veg anAdikA (chal rahA hai). usake vibhAvakI, vikalpakI jAl chal hI rahI hai, usame.n dhIrA hokar dekhe to svaya.nko grahaN karatA hai.

mumukShuH- ... bhaviShya, Alok, paralok..

samAdhAnaH- sabakI shakti... mai.n yah chaitanya hU.N, yah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. is pariNAmake aise phal hote hai.n, sab use nakkI ho jAtA hai. usakI shraddhAme.n nakkI ho jAtA hai.

... svaya.nko grahaN kare. j~nAyak j~nAn to jAnanevAlA svaya.n khaDA hI hai. chAhe jo bhI vibhAv ho, usame.n jAnanevAlA svaya.n to khaDA hai. parantu svaya.nko jAnaneke liye svaya.nko prayatna karanA chAhiye. sharIr bhinna dikhAI detA hai, vah jAnatA nahI.n. andar vibhAvasvabhAv to AkUlatArUp hai. us AkUlatAme.nse jo jAnanevAlA bhinna hai use grahaN kare. jo svataH jAnanevAlA hai, bAharakA jAnatA hai isaliye jAnanevAlA hai, aise nahI.n, lekin svataH jAnanevAlA hI hai. us jAnanevAleko grahaN karanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. jAnan j~nAyakame.n sab bharA hai, ananta mahimA bharI hai. lekin usakI mahimA Aye to svaya.n grahaN kare. usakA lakShaN pahachAnakar svaya.n grahaN kare to ho sake aisA hai. svaya.n grahaN kare to ho sakatA hai.

andar mahimAva.nt AtmAme.n sab bharA hai. usakA lakShaN pahachAnakar andar grahaN karanA chAhiye. jAnanevAlA svaya.n khaDA hI hai, shAshvat khaDA hai. jAnanevAlA svaya.n apanA lakShaN batA rahA hai ki ye rahA mai.n. lekin svaya.n use jAnanekA prayatna kare to jAnaneme.n Aye na. jAnanevAlA hai vah sab jAn hI rahA hai. jo andar vibhAv hote hai.n, jo rAg hotA hai, jo shubh, ashubh sab bhAvo.nko jAnanevAlA andar khaDA hai. lekin svaya.n ekatvabuddhi karake use bhinna nahI.n karatA hai ki yah jAnanevAlA hai to phir bhinna kyo.n nahI.n (jAnaneme.n AtA)? svaya.n bhinna kare, joradAr prayatna kare to bhinna paDatA hai. svaya.n joradAr prayatna karatA nahI.n. utanI ruchi, mahimA, apanA lakShaN pahachAnaneke liye vichAr karake, dhIrA hokar use grahaN kare to ho sakatA hai. bAkI to apane hAthakI bAt hai.

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mumukShuH- mAtAjI! prAra.nbh hI kaThin hai yA pUre mArgame.n puruShArtha chAhiye?

samAdhAnaH- pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. shrImadame.n AtA hai na? pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. pratham bhUmikA... anAdise use ekatvabuddhi gADh ho rahI hai, usame.nse use nikalanA vikaT hai. phir to mArga sahaj hai aur sugam hai. apanA svabhAv hai. aise sahaj svabhAvako usane pahachAnA aur use pragaT huA, usake bAd mArga sahaj aur sugam hai. pratham bhUmikA jitanI vikaT hotI hai, utanI usakI pratyek bhUmikA vikaT nahI.n hotI. puruShArthakI dhArA to sabame.n chAlU hI rakhanI paDatI hai. puruShArthakI dhArA to. lekin pratham bhUmik vikaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- use TikAye rakhanA vikaT hai.

samAdhAnaH- prApta karanA vikaT hai. TikAye rakhaneme.n bhI puruShArtha chAhiye. prApta kiyA hai use TikAye rakhanA vah apane puruShArthase (hotA hai), parantu prApta karanA adhik vikaT hai. prApta karaneke bAd TikAnA vikaT hai, lekin jise puruShArtha chalatA ho use vikaT nahI.n hai. jisakA puruShArtha ChUT jAtA ho use vikaT hai. puruShArtha ChUTe to. jise puruShArtha chalatA ho use vikaT nahI.n hai, puruShArtha nahI.n chalatA ho usake liye vikaT hai, use TikAnA vikaT hai. jo apratihat dhArAse chalA ho, chAro.n pahalUse (yathArtha prakArase) shurUAt kI ho, use TikAnA vikaT nahI.n hai. lekin jo chAro.n pahalUse nahI.n chalA ho to usake liye vikaT hai. lekin pratham bhUmikA adhik vikaT hai.

... vikalpa TUT jAye to AtI hai. lekin pahale vichAr karake nirNay kare to usame.n bhI use mahimA AtI hai. parantu yathArtha mahimA to usame.n vah lIn ho, svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT ho to use yathArtha mahimA AtI hai. svaya.n vichAr karake nakkI karatA hai, vah vichAr karake nakkI karatA hai, to bhI use mahimA AtI hai. ananta jIv mokShame.n gaye hai.n, apanA svabhAv hai isaliye. anantane bhedaj~nAnako pragaT kiyA, chAritradashA pragaT kI, ananta jIv mokShame.n gaye hai.n, apanA svabhAv hai isaliye. pahale vikaT lagatA hai. vikaT honepar bhI nahI.n ho sake aisA nahI.n hai. kal vah sab Aye the na? (kahate the), bahut vikaT hai. vikaT hai lekin nahI.n ho sake aisA nahI.n hai. svaya.n puruShArtha kare to ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- use prayatna chAlU rakhanA chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- prayatna chAlU rakhanA chAhiye. .. jo chAro.n pahalUse nahI.n chalA ho, koI kAraNase shurUAt kI ho to use puruShArtha manda honekA kAraN banatA hai. chAro.n pahalUse chalA ho use puruShArthakI dhArA chalatI hai. to bhI puruShArtha to use Akhir tak apratihat dhArAse puruShArtha to karanA hI paDatA

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hai. ... lekin use sahaj hai, haThapUrvak nahI.n hai. shurUAt honeme.n pharka hotA hai.

mumukShuH- kisIkI shurUAt aisI ho ki samyagdarshan ho aur vApas..

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha kam ho jAye, aisA hotA hai. shurUAt karaneme.n pharka hotA hai.

mumukShuH- dharma sambandhI sha.nkA ho kaise? gurudev itanA Thos bolate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- andar svarUp ko dekhA aur svAnubhUti huI, use niHsha.nkatA kyo.n nahI.n Aye? gurudev kitane niHsha.nkatAse unakI vANIme.n (kahate the).

mumukShuH- Apane yah kahA ki svaya.nse hI hotA hai. usame.n ApakA bolaneme.n bahut jor thA. us vakta mujhe aisA lagA ki vAkaIme.n jor hai. Apane kahA ki, koI nahI.n kar detA.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n hI hai, koI kar nahI.n detA. dev-guru-shAstra usame.n nimitta hote hai.n, parantu upAdAn to svaya.nko hI karanA hai, taiyArI to svaya.nko karanI paDatI hai. dev- guru-shAstra nimitta hote hai.n. anAdikAlase dev aur guru mile tab andar deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. aisA sambandha hai. parantu taiyArI to svaya.nko karanI paDatI hai, puruShArtha to svaya.nko hI karanA paDatA hai.

mumukShuH- utanI ruchi kam hai?

samAdhAnaH- utanI ruchi, utanA prayatna sabakI kamI hai. kAraN pUrA de to kArya hue binA nahI.n rahatA. kAraName.n kachAs hai isaliye kArya nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- ... us vakta anAdikA jo abhyAs hai, usame.n juDaneke bAd Apane jo hame.n j~nAn diyA hai, Apane aur gurudevane, usase j~nAnako vApas moDate hai.n, parantu pahale to juD jAte hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- usame.n juD jAtA hai. phir use vichAr Aye ki yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. parantu pahale juD jAtA hai. ekatvabuddhi hai, anAdikA abhyAs hai, usame.n juD jAtA hai. parantu jise bhedaj~nAn yathArtha ho, vah svaya.n juDatA hI nahI.n, bhinna hI rahatA hai. usakI j~nAnakI dhArA, j~nAyakakI j~nAnadhArA bhinna hI rahatI hai aur yah ekatvabuddhike kAraN pahale juD jAtA hai aur bAdame.n use bhAvanA, jij~nAsA hai isaliye vichAr AtA hai.

vichAr aur bhAvanA karate-karate, svaya.n prayatna karate-karate bhinna paDe. prayatna karate- karate (bhinnatA kare). pahale to anAdikI ekatvabuddhi hai isaliye juD jAtA hai. parantu usakI bhAvanA, jij~nAsA, puruShArtha bAra.nbAr bhinna paDanekA, bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr prayatna kare, usase thake nahI.n. use rukhA nahI.n lage, use j~nAyakakI mahimA lage. use rukhA nahI.n lage

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to bAra.nbAr prayatna karate. bAra.nbAr usakA nira.ntar chAlU rakhe. anAdise ekatvabuddhikA abhyAs hai vah nira.ntar chaubIso.n ghaNTe chalatA hai. isakA thoDA abhyAs kare to (ho nahI.n jAtA). nahI.n to apanA svabhAv hai, sahaj hai, lekin vibhAvake abhyAsake kAraN vikaT ho gayA hai.

mumukShuH- ... puruShArthakI jAgR^iti ho aur bhedaj~nAnakA ma.ntra.. AtmAkI vR^iddhi ho, shAnti ho aur hamArI j~nAyakakI jyot...

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n puruShArtha karatA nahI.n. jabatak nahI.n hotA tabatak usakI puShTi rahe. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, vA.nchan, tattvake vichAr Adi karatA rahe. ashubhame.nse ChUTakar shubhame.n Aye, lekin shuddhAtmA to bhinna hai. us shuddhAtmAko pahachAnanekA, bhedaj~nAn karanekA prayatna karanA. vah nahI.n ho, tabatak shubhabhAv to bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahate. samyagdarshan ho, bhedaj~nAn ho parantu bIchame.n vibhAv pariNAm (Ate hai.n), phir bhI use lInatAkA puruShArtha chalatA hai.

pratham bhUmikA to vikaT hai. vikaT bhUmikAme.n svaya.n bAra.nbAr usakA prayAs karatA rahe. anAdikI dR^iShTi par or hai, dR^iShTi apanI or nahI.n hai. sab bAharakA dekhatA rahatA hai, a.ntar AtmAko nahI.n dekhatA. jo sahaj hai aur sugam hai, use dekhatA nahI.n. isaliye durlabh ho gayA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmA prApta karaneke liye tIvra puruShArthakI jarUrat hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, tIvra puruShArthakI jarUrat hai. jise hotA hai use a.ntarmuhUrtame.n hotA hai. svaya.n hI hai. lekin nahI.n ho usake liye tIvra puruShArtha karanekI jarUrat hai. kare to ho sakatA hai, nahI.n ho aisA nahI.n hai, lekin svaya.n karatA nahI.n. ananta jIv puruShArtha karake mokShame.n gaye hai.n. lekin svaya.n kare to hotA hai. ekatvabuddhi din-rAt chalatI hai, usame.nse bhinna hokar isakA abhyAs to kuCh samay karatA hai. usakA abhyAs yadi nira.ntar (kare).... lekin vah kab ho sakatA hai? utanI laganI lage to hotA hai, nahI.n to kaise ho.

mumukShuH- haTh yA jaldabAjI kAm nahI.n AtI.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, jaldabAjI kAm nahI.n AtI, haTh kare to kAm nahI.n AtI. andarase svaya.nko sahaj laganA chAhiye, to hotA hai. nahI.n ho rahA hai isali3e jaldI kare yA haTh kare yA AkUlatA kare yA ulajhaname.n A jAye to kuCh nahI.n hotA hai. bhAvanA ho. use bhAvanAke kAraN mArga nahI.n sUjhatA isaliye usakI ulajhan aisI nahI.n honI chAhiye ki svaya.n nirAsh ho jAye. aisA nahI.n honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- jab hAthame.n nahI.n AtA hai, us vakta prerak bal kaun-sA kArya karatA

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hai?

samAdhAnaH- AtmA hAthame.n nahI.n Aye to bhI usakA bAra.nbAr prayAs karate rahanA. mai.n to bhinna hI hU.N. usake vichAr karatA rahe, usakI preraNAke lie. karanA to yah ek hI hai. dUsarA to kuCh nahI.n hai. mahimA nahI.n AtI ho to mahimA lAye. usakA svabhAv pahachAnanekA prayatna kare. dev-guru-shAstra, guru kyA kahate hai.n, jinendradevane kyA kahA hai? gurudevane upadeshame.n bahut kahA hai. gurudevakA upadesh yAd kare ki gurudevane kyA kahA hai? gurudevane to puruShArtha ho aisI bahut preraNA dI hai. gurudevakA upadesh yAd karanA. shAstra svAdhyAy kare, vichAr kare. lekin karanA to a.ntarame.n hai. bAhar thoDA shAstra svAdhyAy karake yah sab vichAr, vA.nchan karake mAn le ki mai.nne bahut kiyA hai, aisA mAne to nahI.n hotA. karanekA a.ntarame.n hai.

gurudevakA upadesh preraNA de rahA hai. gurudevakA upadesh itanA joradAr thA ki dUsarekA puruShArtha chAlU ho jAye, aisA unakA preraNAdAyak (upadesh) thA. tU kara. joradAr si.nhakI dahAD lagAte the. lekin svaya.n karatA nahI.n. upAdAn to balavAn thA, lekin svaya.nne hI nahI.n kiyA hai. svaya.nke pramAdake kAraN chaitanyako (jAnA nahI.n). "nij nayananI ALase re nirakhyA na harine jarI.' svaya.nke pramAdake kAraN svaya.n dekhatA nahI.n.