hAthakI bAt hai, usase chhUTanA vah bhI apane hAthakI bAt hai. janma-maraN karanevAlA svayam svatantra aur mokSha karanevAlA bhI svayam svatantra hai. aisI svatantratA AtmAkI hai. apanI svatantratAse svayam palaTatA hai. usamen guru nimitta hote hain, dev nimitta hon, shAstra nimitta hon, parantu palaTanekA mUl kAraN to svayamkA hI hai. rakhaDanevAlA bhI svayam aur mokSha karanevAlA bhI svayam hI hai.
mumukShu- sab AtmAko sAkShAtkAr ho, aisA kuchh hai? athavA usamen bhI koI bhinna-bhinna star hogA?
samAdhAna- AtmAkA svabhAv to aisA hI hai ki Atma sAkShAtkAr kar sake.
mumukShu- kar sake, koI bhI AtmA kar sakatA hai.
samAdhAna- koI bhI AtmA kar sakatA hai. parantu usakA puruShArtha svayamko karanA paDatA hai.
mumukShu- usamen bhI koI bhUmikA hai ki yah pratham bhUmikA hai, dUsarI bhUmikA hai, ek usase UnchA hai. koI thoDe puruShArthase Upar A jAy, kisIko AjIvan, dUsare janmamen bhI puruShArtha karanA paDe?
samAdhAna- jisake puruShArthakI mandatA hotI hai vah lambe samay tak puruShArtha karatA rahe. thoDA-thoDA, thoDA-thoDA puruShArtha karatA rahe, ugratA na ho to lambe kAl tak chalatA hai. koI jIvako aisI ugratA ho jAy to kShaNamAtramen svayam palaT jAtA hai, to jaldI kare. jisakA puruShArtha dhIre-dhIre, dhIre-dhIre chalatA ho to lambA kAl chalatA rahe. aur ugratA Aye to turanta ho jAya.
mumukShu- nahIn, jaise hamAre dharmamen kahate hain ki karmakI thIyarI gine. Apake karma hI amuk prakArase khatma hote jAy, aise tumhe AtmAke sAth...?
samAdhAna- nahIn. karma hai na vah karma to mAtra nimitta hai. karmake kAraN jIv rakhaDatA hai (aisA nahIn hai).
mumukShu- to phir apanemen ek gharakI do bahanen hon, unakA byAh huA ho, ek hI gharamen baDI huI hain, to koI ek sAdhAraN gharamen jAtI hai, ek baDe gharamen jAtI hai, to vah usake karma anusAr hai?
samAdhAna- vah karma anusAr hai. vah to puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. pUrvamen svayamne...
mumukShu- usI tarah AtmAko bhI DigrI anusAr koI pharka hotA hogA na?
samAdhAna- bAhya sanyog prApta honA vah sab puNya-pApakA kAraN hai. lekin andar AtmAkA parivartan karanA vah apane puruShArthakI bAt hai.