Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (English transliteration). Track: 243.

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mumukShu- ... satpuruShakI sab AgnA mAnanA chAhiye. to AgnA kitanI-kitanI prakArakI hotI hai? kyonki ve kahate hain ki koI prakArakI bhI apAtratA rah jAtI hai to mumukShu kalyANake yogya nahIn hotA hai.

samAdhAna- kitane prakArakI AgnA kyA? satpuruShakI AgnA to apanI pAtratA dekhakar AgnA karate hain. AgnA kitane prakArakI hotI hai? .. gnAnIkA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. gnAnI kahate hain, kyA kahate hain? Ashay grahaN karake apanI pariNati pragaT karanA chAhiye. anek jAtamen kahAn-kahAn jIv ruk jAtA hai. svachchhanda, matAgrah, apanI mAnI huyI kalpanAommen (aTak jAtA hai). satpuruShakA Ashaya3 kyA hai, vah Ashay grahaN karake vastukA svarUp samajhanA chAhiye. yathArtha samajhakarake kyA karanA chAhiye usakA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. ve kyA kahate hain?

svayam nirNay kare use satpuruShake Ashayake sAth milAn karanA. gnAnIkA kyA Ashay hai? main kyA mAnatA hUn? Ashay yathArthapane jo nirNay karatA hai, usake sAth milAn karatA hai. kyA kahate hain, yah samajhanA chAhiye. us prakAr apanI pariNati pragaT karanI chAhiye. ve kahate hain, us prakAr-se. ... grahaN karake apanI pariNati pragaT karanA chAhiye. puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. puruShArthakI mandatA hove to gnAnI jo kahate hain us par pratIt karanI chAhiye. aur bhAvanA rakhanI chAhiye ki main kaise Age jAUn? aisA puruShArtha karanA chAhiye.

apane matamAn kahIn na kahIn aTak jAtA hai. gnAnIkA Ashay kyA hai? dev-shAstra- guru kyA kahate hain? use grahaN karake us anusAr apanI pariNatiko, apane puruShArthako us anusAr chAlU kare to yathArtha mArga use pragaT hotA hai. usakA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. chAron taraph-se gnAnI kyA kahate hain? unakA Ashay kyA hai? use grahaN karake apanI pariNati kar lenI chAhiye.

... vah gnAnIkA Ashay grahaN kar letA hai. dev-guru-shAstra kyA kahate hain, vah grahaN kar sakatA hai. usakI pAtratA aisI hotI hai. yadi pAtratA nahIn hove to apanI mati kalpanA-se ruk jAtA hai.