mumukShuH- pUjya mAtAjI! shuddha dravyakA chi.ntavan kis prakAr-se karanA chAhiye? thoDA-sA (spaShTa kIjiye).
samAdhAnaH- shuddha dravyakA chi.ntavan to mai.n shuddha svabhAv anAdiananta (hU.N). ananta kAl gayA, janma-maraN hue, asa.nkhyAt prakArake vibhAv hue aur janma-maraN to ananta hue. usake pariNAm bhI anek prakArake hue. to bhI vah dravya palaTakarake ashuddha nahI.n huA. dravyakA svabhAv shaktirUp-se vaisA hI hai. aisA mai.n anAdiananta shuddhAtmA hU.N. ananta kAl gayA to bhI nAsh nahI.n huA. nAsh honevAlA nahI.n hai. vah svAnubhavame.n A sakatA hai. aisA mai.n svabhAv anAdiananta svaya.nsiddha AtmA hU.N. usakA astitva grahaN karanA. mai.n j~nAyak svabhAv hU.N. ye vibhAv hai vah AkulatArUp hai. mai.n nirAkul AtmA j~nAyak hU.N. aisA j~nAyak svabhAv mai.n shuddhAtmA hU.N. aisA vichAr karanA.
bhItarame.n-se jab usakA astitva yathArtha grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaName.n AtA hai. bAkI vichAr karatA hai, abhyAs karatA hai. yathArtha grahaN to bhItarame.n jAkar usakA svabhAv grahaN kare, usakA astitva grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaN hotA hai. bAkI vichAr kare, pratIt kare, abhyAs kare. mai.n anAdiananta shuddhAtmA j~nAyak hU.N aur vibhAv shubhabhAv hotA hai vah puNyabandhakA (kAraN), vah bhI vibhAv hai. U.NchA shubhabhAv Ave, j~nAn- darshan-chAritrakA bhed Ave to bhI shubhabhAv rAgamishrit hai. mai.n shuddhAtmA hU.N. guNakA bhed hove to bhI vah jAn letA hai ki svabhAvame.n j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab hai. to bhI usakA jo vikalpa AtA hai, vah vikalpa merA svarUp nahI.n hai. lakShaNabhed hai. vAstavikame.n anAdiananta akhaNDa chaitanya hU.N, aise shuddhAtmAko grahaN karanA.
mumukShuH- mAtAjI! svAnubhav kAlame.n kyA dravya-paryAy dono.n ekasAth anubhavame.n Ate hai.n?
samAdhAnaH- dravya-paryAy dono.n (anubhavame.n Ate hai.n). vAstavame.n paryAyakI anubhUti hotI hai aur dravya par dR^iShTi to rahatI hai, nira.ntar dR^iShTi rahatI hai. anubhUti paryAyakI hotI hai, parantu dravya aur paryAy dono.n j~nAname.n A jAte hai.n. j~nAname.n dravya-paryAy dono.n A jAte hai.n. dravya aur paryAy, dono.nkI anubhUti. is apekShA-se dravya-paryAy dono.nkI