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samAdhAna- .. chha mahine puruShArtha kare, parantu usakA puruShArtha kaisA hotA hai? usakI laganI kuchh alag hotI hai. bArambAr abhyAs kare. kamase kam jAnanA chAhiye usakA artha prayojanabhUt dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp to prayojanabhUt hai. jo jAnanemen Aye vah sab prayojanabhUt hI hai. dUsarA kuchh na samajhatA ho to usake liye, main gnAyak hUn. yah sharIr bhinna hai, yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main dravya AtmA shAshvat hUn. ananta guNase bharA aur mujhamen paryAy hai. mere dravya-guN-paryAy bhinna hai aur dUsareke bhinna hai. mUl prayojanabhUt itanA hI jAne to usamen samyagdarshan hotA hai. parantu jyAdA jAne to usamen koI nukasAn nahIn hai.

main gnAyak jAnanevAlA AtmA hUn. yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. yah sharIr bhinna hai aur andar jo vibhAv hote hain, vah bhI merA svabhAv nahIn hai. main to shAshvat AtmA gnAyak hUn. main kabhI nAsh honevAlA nahIn hUn, main shAshvat hUn. merI paryAy mujhamen mere kAraNase hI pariNamatI hai. usamen dUsarA koI kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. mUl prayojanabhUt utanA tattva jAne, usamen samyagdarshan hotA hai. jyAdA jAne to usamen nukasAn nahIn hai, lAbhakA kAraN hotA hai. usakA mArga spaShTa hotA hai.

mumukShu- prayojanabhUtamen nav tattva, chha dravya..

samAdhAna- hAn, vah A jAtA hai. nav tattva, chha dravya saba. tiryanch aise hain ki jinhen nav tattvake nAm nahIn Ate. chha dravyake nAm nahIn Ate. parantu use bhAv sab A jAte hain. tiryanchako shabda nahIn Ate. main jIv hUn, yah jAnanevAlA (hUn). yah ajIv hai. svayam apanemen puruShArtha karatA huA, yah vibhAv nAsh karane yogya hai, vah Asrav hai. vah bhAv usamen A jAtA hai. svayam apanemen sAdhanA kare usamen samvar A jAtA hai. svayam visheSh ugratA karake Age baDhe usamen nirjarA hotI hai. tiryanchako yah sab bhAv usamen samA jAte hain. mokSha-pUrNa kevalagnAn ho, pUrNa mokSha kevalagnAn.. pUrNa svarUpase prApta... mere svarUpamen samA jAUn. yah sab bhAv usamen samA jAte hain. lekin vah to tiryanchako shabda nahIn Ate hain, bhAv A jAte hain.

parantu jo manuShya hai aur kShayopasham hai to vah sab jAne, usamen jyAdA lAbhakA

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kAraN hotA hai. usamen is panchamakAlamen jahAn-tahAn jIv bhUl khAtA hai. isaliye prayojanabhUt tattva jAne usamen bhUl khAtA hai. usamen chAron orakA jAne to lAbhakA kAraN hotA hai. jIv kise kahate hain? ajIv kise kahate hain? Asrav kise kahate hain? samvar kise kahate hain? sab samajhe to lAbhakA kAraN hotA hai. nirjarA kise kahate hain? bandha, mokSha Adi sab jAne to lAbhakA kAraN hotA hai. vah sab prayojanabhUt hai. chha dravya, nav tattva. dravya-guN-paryAy anyake anyamen, mere mujhamen. main bhinna hUn. paradravya mujhe kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. main dUsarekA kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. main mere chaitanyadravyakI pariNati karUn. dUsarekI kar nahIn sakatA. sab dravya svatantra hain. vah sab prayojanabhUt hai.

mumukShu- muktikA mArga samajhAyA, phir bhI gurudevakI gairamaujUdagImen yah sab takarAr dikhatI hai, usamen mumukShuonko bahut dukh hotA hai.

samAdhAna- kAraN to sabakA svatantra kAraN hai. is pancham kAlamen sabake abhiprAy bhinna ho gaye hain. sabake abhiprAy alag ho gaye hain, isaliye hotA hai. sabake abhiprAy alag ho gaye hain. tattva to gurudevane chAron pahalUse samajhAyA hai. sabake abhiprAy alag ho gaye hai. isaliye hotA hai.

mumukShu- satpuruShakI AgnAmen chalanekA koI vichAratA nahIn hai, usamense yah sab hotA hai. ek AgnAmen chalanA ho to isamen kahAn takarAr ho aisA hai. satpuruShakI AgnA jaisA kuchh honA chAhiye ki nahIn honA chAhiye. kisIko kisIkI sunanI nahIn hai. sab kahate hain main hoshiyAr hUn, vah kahatA hai, main hoshiyAr hUn. ...

samAdhAna- gurudev virAjate the to koI bol nahIn sakatA thA. manamen ho to bhI kuchh nahIn kar sakate the.

mumukShu- samAjamen dUsare jIvonko ruchi hotI ho aur aisA mAhol sune to bAharase use aisA lage ki yah kyA hai? AnekA man ho to aTak jAya.

samAdhAna- kyA ho sakatA hai? usakA koI upAy hai kyA? usakA koI upAy nahIn hai. gurudevake pratApase... is panchamakAlamen gurudev jaise mahApuruSh padhAre, vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. sabako aisA tattva samajhAyA. phir aise matabhed ho jAy, vah sabakI yogyatAkA kAraN hai. usamen kyA ho sakatA hai?

mumukShu- gurudevakI AgnAkA vichAr bhI nahIn karate ho, aisI paristhiti hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA kyA abhiprAy thA, usakA vichAr nahIn karatA. gurudevane kyA kahA hai, usakA vichAr nahIn karatA aur svayamko dimAgamen jaisA lage, jahAn apanI ruchi hai, jo svayamko ThIk lage vah karatA rahatA hai.

mumukShu- yogya-ayogyakA koI vichAr nahIn hai.

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samAdhAna- antarakA karanA chhUT gayA hai. antaramen AtmAkA karanA, bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? AtmAko muktikA mArga andarase kaise pragaT ho? andaramen yah karanA hai, usake bajAy bAharamen mAnon main kuchh kar lUn, dUsarA mAnatA hai ki mAnon main kuchh kar lUn, aisA ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevane jo mArga kahA hai, use chUk gaye. samAjamen adhik prasiddhi prApta karaneke liye... usamen gurudevakA virodh ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- main dharmakI prabhAvanA karun aur main dharmakI prabhAvanA karun, aisA ho gayA hai. tattva dRuShTise koI kisIko badal nahIn sakatA. sabake abhiprAy bhinna-bhinna hain. abhiprAy bhinna ho gaye, vah kaise palaTe? abhiprAy bhinna-bhinna ho gaye hain.

mumukShu- abhiprAyamen virUddhatA miTe nahIn, tab tak kaise vah log ThIk kar pAyenge? yahAn to koI bhI Aye, kahAn kisIko nA hai.

samAdhAna- yah to gurudevakI bhUmi hai, sab A sakate hain, aisA hai. kisIko pratibandha nahIn hai, koI nahIn Aye aisA.

mumukShu- yahAn aisA kuchh nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- aisA hai hI nahIn.

mumukShu- koI pratibandha nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- yahAn Akar sab rahe hain. bAharagAmvase gurudevakA lAbh lene Aye hain.

mumukShu- anajAnase anajAn aur parichit sab Ate hI hain.

samAdhAna- jisako AnA hai, vah apanI jignAsAse A sakate hain. koI rokatA nahIn, koI kisIko kuchh kahatA nahIn. kuchh nahIn hai. (gurudevashrI) barason tak virAje. is bhUmiko pAvan kI hai. yahAnkI bAt pUrI alag hai.

mumukShu- gurudevakI gunj to bahut yAd AtA hai.

samAdhAna- bhagavAn AtmAmen kahAn rAg-dveSh hai? bhagavAn AtmA bhinna hai. lekin yah sab abhiprAy evan matabhedake kAraN yah sab ho gayA hai. sonagaDhamen koI kisIko nahIn Ane detA hai, aisA thoDA hI nahai, sab Ate hain. kisIko AnekA bandhan thoDA hI hai.

tattva aisA samajhAyA. pahale to sab kriyAmen dharma mAnate the. yah kriyA aur andar dRuShTi (viparIt). vahAnse gurudevane kitanA Age-Age jAkar samajhAyA. dravya-guN-paryAyakI bAtamen matabhed ho gaye. (tattva) to kahAn dUr paDA rahA. gurudevane to kahAn tak sabako pahunchA diye hain. andar AtmAkA karanekA bAkI hai. apanA abhiprAy ho vaisA sab karate haiain.

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mumukShu- satpuruShakI divya vANI sunaneke bajAy, usamen matabhed khaDe karake, rokaTok karake svayamko jo lAbh prApta honA chAhiye, usakI jagah dUsarA sab hone lagA.

samAdhAna- .. vah to sthUl thA, gurudevane to sUkShma batAyA. usamen (matabhed) ho gaye.

mumukShu- vAstavamen to antaramen svayamkA karanA thA, use chhoD diyA aur bAharamen sab lag gaye. yah karo aur vah karo.

samAdhAna- hAn, bAharamen A gaye. gurudev svayamkA karaneko kahate the.

mumukShu- sankShepamen Apane bahut kah diyA.

samAdhAna- gurudev kahate hI the, antarakA grahaN kara. sahaj prabhAvanAkA bhAv ho, alag bAt hai. phir is prakArakI takarAr to nahIn honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- yahAn kisakA pratibandha hai? yahAn Aneke liye kaun rokatA hai? abhiprAy bhinna paD gaye ho, gurudevane jo kahA hai, vah karanA nahIn hai aur apane-apane abhiprAyase bhinna-bhinna (bAt karake) aisA karo, aisA karo. aise matabhed ho jAte hain. koI kyA kare?

samAdhAna- ... yah gurudevakI bhUmi hai. jise-jise bhAvanA hotI hai, vah sab Ate hain. matabhed achchhA nahIn lagatA. shAntise... lekin kyA ho sakatA hai? koI upAy hI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- ... bahut mahenat karake nAmamen thoDA ThIk kiyA to phir vApas...

samAdhAna- gurudevashrIkA abhiprAy andar UtAre to hotA hai.

mumukShu- Ap sab AIye, ... kuchh kare. ... siddhAntik viShay hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev gaye hI nahIn. ... kitanA prakAsh kiyA, usake sAth dUsarekA mel kahAn-se ho? gurudevane mArga prakAshit kiyA, usake sAth dUsarekA mel kahAnse ho? vah pUrA sampradAy judA. unakA mArga to unhonne bhinna hI prakAshit kiyA.

mumukShu- AgnA jaisA viShay samajhamen nahIn AtA hai, dUsarI kaun-sI bAt samajhamen AtI hogI? ... kisI bhI bAtakA vichAr karanekA prashna kahAn hai? maryAdA binAke vichAr kahAn tak le jAte hain.

samAdhAna- ... mArga grahaN kiyA, aisA mArga milA, gurudevane yah samajhAyA. dharmakI prabhAvanA karaneke liye apanA abhiprAy rakhaneke liye maryAdA bAhar pahunch jAnA. maryAdA chhoDakar.... jitanI apanI bhAvanA ho... maryAdA bAhar chale jAnA? kahAn jAnA hai yah mAlUm nahIn paDatA. virodhamen kahAn tak pahunch jAnA, vah bhI mAlUm nahIn paDatA. svayam apanA karanA. bAhar sab apane abhiprAy anusAr ho jAnA chAhiye, us prakArake virodhamen

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pahunchakar jIv AtmAkA karanA bhUl jAtA hai aur bAharakA sab ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- aisA hI hai.

samAdhAna- bAharamen kahAn tak pahunch jAnA, usakA koI vichAr nahIn AtA hai.

mumukShu- dravyArthikanay dvArA dekh to tujhe dravya hI gnAt hogA. is viShayamen Ap thoDI spaShTatA karen.

samAdhAna- dravyArthik chakShuse dekhe to sab dravya hI dikhatA hai, paryAyArthikako banda kare, us chakShuko banda kare. anAdi kAlase jIvakI paryAy par dRuShTi hai. us dRuShTiko banda karake dravyako dekhe to dravya hI dikhatA hai. paryAy usamen nahIn hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. dravya par dRuShTi jIvane anAdi kAlase nahIn kI hai. dravyako pahachAnA nahIn hai. dravya anAdi shAshvat hai. AtmAmen ananta shaktiyAn hain. AtmA ananta guNonse bharA dravya shAshvat (hai). kabhI us dravya par dRuShTi nahIn kI hai aur paryAy par dRuShTi karake hI bhaTakA hai. isaliye tU dravya par dRuShTi kar to dravya hI dikhAI degA. dravyakI dRuShTimen dravya dikhAI detA hai. aur dravyadRuShTikI mukhyatAse Age baDhA jAtA hai. isaliye usamen paryAy nahIn hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. paryAyakA gnAn nahIn karanA, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai.

vastu svarUp jaisA hai vaisA jAnanese muktikA mArga yathArtha sAdhya hotA hai. jaisA hai vaisA jAnanA chAhiye. paryAyamen vibhAv hai, paryAy anAdikAlase hai hI nahIn, aisA nahIn hai. vibhAv yadi ho hI nahIn to use TAlanekA prayatna kyon kiyA jAtA hai? to karanA hI nahIn rahatA hai. paryAy hai, paryAyamen vibhAv hotA hai, lekin use TAlaneke liye dravya par dRuShTi kare. usakA bhedagnAn kare to Age jAyA jAtA hai. main chaitanya anAdi shAshvat hUn. parantu dravyamen paryAy hI nahIn hai (aisA nahIn hai). usamen shuddha paryAyen hotI hain. dravya par dRuShTi karanese shuddha paryAyen pragaT hotI hai. aur andar sAdhanA-darshan, gnAn, chAritra ratnatray pragaT hote hain. samyagdarshan dravya par dRuShTi karanese hotA hai, lekin usamen gnAn sab honA chAhiye.

samyagdRuShTike sAth samyaggnAn hotA hai. samyaggnAnamen sab jAnanemen AtA hai. yah dravya hai, yah guN hai, yah paryAy hai, yah ashuddha paryAy hai, yah shuddha paryAy hai. dravya par dRuShTi kare, isaliye paryAyako nikAl denA aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. dravyArthik chakShuse dravya (dikhAI detA hai). phir aisA AtA hai ki, paryAyArthik chakShuse dekhA jAy to paryAy dikhAI detI hai. paryAy nahIn hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai.

mumukShu- barAbar hai, param satya.

samAdhAna- dravya par dRuShTi kar, paryAyakA gnAn kara. paryAyamen jo ekatva buddhi

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(ho rahI hai), dravyako bhUl gayA hai, us dravyako pahachAna. paryAyako gauN karake Age jAya. paryAyakA gnAn hotA hai ki main dravya hUn. usamen guN hai, paryAy hai, vibhAvaparyAy, svabhAv paryAy hai. bhedagnAn kare isaliye andar samyagdarshanakI paryAy pragaT hotI hai. samyagdarshanakI paryAy bhI paryAy hai. andar chAritrakI paryAy hotI hai, vah bhI paryAy hai. usakA to vedan svayamko hotA hai.

isaliye usamense paryAy nikAl denA, aisA artha nahIn hai. parantu usamen sarvasva mAnA hai. dravyako bhUl gayA hai, isaliye dravyako pahachAn, dravya par dRuShTi kar, aisA kahanA hai. dravyako mukhya karake paryAyako gauN kara. parantu sAdhak dashAmen munidashA pragaT hotI hai, chAritra dashA pragaT hotI hai, vah sab paryAy hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanese shuddha paryAyen pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- koI jagah gurudevane aisA kahA ki, dravyako grahaN kara. aur pravachanasAramen aisA kahA ki paryAyachakShu banda kar, usamen kyA apekShA hai?

samAdhAna- gurudevakA kahanA vahI hai. pravachanasAramen hI aisA AtA hai ki dravyArthik dRuShTise dekhane par dravya dikhAI detA hai. paryAyachakShuko banda kar, matalab paryAyachakShukA gnAn mat kar, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. paryAyakI or dekhanA banda kar aur dravya par dRuShTi kar, aisA kahanA hai. isaliye use nikAl denA aisA artha nahIn hai. gurudev to sab bAt karate hain, dravya par dRuShTi kara. dravyako dekh, paryAyakA gnAn kar (Adi) sab gurudevamen to AtA hai. unakI vANImen sab AtA hai.

ekAnta karegA to shuShka ho jAyagA, aisA bhI gurudevakI vANImen AtA hai. puruShArtha kisakA karanA? aisA bhI AtA hai, gurudevakI vANImen. sab AtA hai. usakA mel karanA paDatA hai. anAdi kAlase paryAy par dRuShTi hai, isaliye us chakShuko banda kar aur dravyako dekha.

mumukShu- paryAyachakShu ko banda karate hain to aisA hotA hai, paryAy to hai. samAdhAna- paryAy to hai, paryAy nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. paryAy nikal nahIn jAtI. us par dRuShTi kara. dravya par dRuShTi karanese dravya dikhatA hai, paryAy par dRuShTi karanese paryAy dikhatI hai. usakA mel kara. dravyakA kyA svabhAv hai, paryAyakA kyA svabhAv hai? dravyakI mukhyatA karake paryAyako gauN karake gnAnamen sab jAn aur sAdhanA kar, aisA kahanA hai.