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samAdhAna- ... samyak ekAnta..?

mumukShu- anekAnta bhI ekAnta aise nij padakI prAptike liye ek hI upAy hai. anekAnta bhI samyak ekAnta aise nij padakI prAptike sivA anya hetuse upakArI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- upakArI nahIn hai?

mumukShu- anya hetuse upakArI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- anekAnta bhI samyak ekAnta aise nijapadakI prAptike sivA dUsare prakArase upakArI nahIn hai. samyak ekAnta. ek dravya par dRuShTi, bas! bAkI sab gauN hai. anekAntako jAnakar ek vastu par dRuShTi karanI, vahI usakA hetu hai. ek dravya par dRuShTi rakhI, vah usakA upakAr hai. anekAnta vastu svarUpako jAnakar ek samyak ekAnta ek dravya par dRuShTikA jor, us prakArase hI vah upakArI hotA hai. anya hetuse anekAnta vAdavivAdake hetuse, aise nahIn, nij padakI prAptike liye hI upakArI hai, anya koI hetuse upakArI nahIn hai. dravya par dRuShTi.

dravyako pahachAnakar svAnubhUti pragaT karanI us hetuse vah upakArI hai. bAkI usamen rukanA, vivAd, nayakA .. us hetuse vah upakArI nahIn hai. ek chaitanyakI prAptike liye upakArI hai. aur vah vastukA svarUp hai. usamen dravya par dRuShTikA jor, us ekAntako mukhya rakhe. anekAnta usake sAth vartatA hai, us prakArase upakArI hai. anya koI hetu, AtmArthake sivA anya hetuse upakArI nahIn hai. kahIn bhI nay (lagA de ki) anekAnta aise bhI hotA hai, aise bhI hotA hai. aisA anekAnta samyak anekAnta bhI nahIn hai. samyak anekAnta to ekAntako rakhakar usake sAth jo anekAnta ho, vah samyak anekAnta hai. aur samyak ekAntake sAth samyak anekAnta hotA hI hai. tab usakA sambandha hai. nay aise hotI hai, aise hotI hai, us prakArase samyak anekAnta bhI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- pratyek nayakI vichAraNAke samay use prayojan lakShyamen rahanA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- apanI orakA prayojan, AtmAko sAdhanekA honA chAhiye. vastukA asalI svarUp kyA hai, use rakhakar sab honA chAhiye. usake sAth melayukta honA chAhiye.

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mAtra vastuko toDaneke liye yA vAdavivAd karaneke liye nahIn honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- shraddhAko samyak honeke liye yathArtha gnAnakI ... honI chAhiye?

samAdhAna- gnAnakI jarUrat paDatI hai. shraddhA yathArtha honeke liye gnAnase hI nakkI hotA hai, tattva vichArase hI nakkI hotA hai. isaliye gnAn usakA sAdhan hai. gnAn to usakA sAdhan hai. shraddhA honemen gnAn sAdhan hai. shraddhA dravya par dRuShTi karake jorase muktike mArgamen Age baDhatI hai. shraddhA honemen gnAn kAraN hai.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! paryAyA rahit to dravya kabhI hotA nahIn. aisI sthiti honeke bAvajUd paryAyako gauN karake dravya sanmukh honA?

samAdhAna- paryAy palaTatI rahatI hai, paryAy kahAn ekarUp rahatI hai? vibhAv paryAy hai, vah sab palaTatI rahatI hai. shubhAshubh bhAv palaTate rahate hain. vah mUl vastu kahAn hai? mUl vastu nahIn hai. paryAy rahit dravya nahIn hai, parantu dravya to mUl vastu hai. yah mUl vastu nahIn hai. jo palaTatI vastu hai, us palaTanekA Ashray nahIn hotA. mUlakA Ashray hotA hai.

vRukSha ugAye to usake bIj par dRuShTi honI chAhiye. DAle-patte (par nahIn). usakI bIj par dRuShTi ho to vRukSha ugatA hai. binA mUlake nahIn hotA. usakA mUl to dravya hai, bhale paryAy rahit na ho. paryAyakA Ashray kAm nahIn AtA.

mumukShu- vahAn kahA na? panapatA hai tab shobhatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vaha. mUl hai. bIj panape tab shobhatA hai, parantu mUl vastuko pahachAnakar grahaN kare to panapegA na? use pahachAnakar mUlako grahaN kare, usakI shraddhA kare, usakA gnAn kare, gnAn-vairAgyakA sinchan kare to panapatA hai. aur mUlako pahachAne to panapatA hai. dravyake Ashrase dRuShTikI sthiratA hotI hai. paryAyake Ashrayase sthir nahIn hotA. paryAy to palaTatI rahatI hai. shuddha paryAy bhI chaitanyakA vaibhav hai, ananta guN bhI usakA vaibhav hai. vastu to mUl hai. us mUlako grahaN kare to Age baDhatA hai.

mumukShu- dravya bIjarUp hai.

samAdhAna- dravya mUl vastu hai. dravyakA sab vaibhav hai. dravya kaisA hai? ki ananta guNonse bharapUr, ananya paryAyayukta, yah sab usakA vaibhav hai. mUl vastu hai. mUl rAjA kaun? mUl dravya hai. rAjAkA vaibhav nahIn, rAjA mUl vastuko grahaN kare to Age baDhe.

mumukShu- jIvarAjAko jAnanA vah, yah?

samAdhAna- hAn, jIvarAjAko jAne, phir shraddhA kare, phir usakA AcharaN kare. aise jIvarAjAko jAnanA, shraddhA kare, usakA anucharaN kare.

mumukShu- nArakIkA jIv pratham samyagdarshan pragaT karatA hogA, us vakta vah aisI

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vichArashreNImen chaDh jAtA hogA? pahalI bAr samyagdarshan pragaT kare taba.

samAdhAna- pIchhale bhavase vah taiyArI karake gayA hai. taiyArI karake gayA hai, isaliye use ekadam bhedagnAn ho jAtA hai. dukhake prasang dekhakar (aisA lagatA hai), yah? kahIn shAntikA sthAn dikhAI nahIn detA hai. yah kis prakArakA sanyog aur uday hai? aisA vichAr karane par andar kahIn shAnti hai yA nahIn? aisA vichAr karane par yah main mUl tattva hUn, usamen shAnti hai. lambe vichAr nahIn karatA hai, mUl vastuko grahaN kar letA hai. pIchhale bhavamen vah taiyArI karake, deshanAlabdhi grahaN karake, andaramen pAtratA taiyAr karake gayA hai, isaliye use ekadam ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- ... gurudevase utanI prabhAvanA, utane shAstra (prakAshit hue). kitane pravachan diye gurudevane barason taka. aise mahApuruSh is kAlamen-pancham kAlamen mahA durlabhatAse milate hain.

mumukShu- ghar-ghar svAdhyAy, ghar-ghar tattvacharchA aur samayasArajI shAstrako to sparsha nahIn kar sakate, munionke liye grantha hai. usake bajAy chhoTe bAlakonse lekar us shAstra abhyAs hone lagA.

samAdhAna- chAron orase. panchamakAlamen padhAre. aise gurudevakA vaShA tak sAnnidhya prApta huA.

muumukShu- chaturtha kAlamen bhI durlabh aisA.. samAdhAna- hAn, chaturtha kAlamen jo durlabh hai, vah aise panchamakAlamen (prApta huA). koI jAgRut ho to ve jangalamen ho. yah to mumukShuonke bIch rahakar baraso tak vANI barasAyI. vah to mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai.

mumukShu- dUsare anek jIv prApta karanekA prayatna-puruShArtha bhI karate hain.

samAdhAna- andarakI ruchi kisIko jAgRut huI ho to gurudevake pratApase. ek anshase lekar sab gurudevake pratApase hI hai. kahAn paDe the. bAhya dRuShTimen the, antar dRuShTi karavAyI. sampradAyamen the tab bhI samyagdarshan par utanA vajan rakhate the.

mumukShu- tabase pheraphAr hone lagA. logonko samyagdarshan kyA chIj hai, usakA khyAl Ane lagA.

samAdhAna- hAn, sabako khyAl Ane lagA.

mumukShu- .... samyagdarshan ... yahAn ek mahArAj Aye hain, ve samakit par bahut vajan dete hain. apane to aisA samajhate the ki .. kiyA isaliye samakit aur chauvihar aur sAmAyik karate hain isaliye pancham guNasthAna. yah mahArAj nA kahate hain. ve kahate hain, siddha bhagavAn jaisA Ananda Aye, usakA svAd chakhe, sharIrakI chamaDI UtArakar

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namak chhiDake to bhI AnkhakA konA lAl na kare, to bhI vah samakit nahIn hai. samakit koI abhUtapUrva vastu hai. lAkhon-kroDomme kisIko hI hotA hai. ab unakI bAt ... lagatI hai. ananta kAlamen prApta na ho aisA ... dararoj paradesI rAjA yA .. sanyAsI, koI bhI adhikAr paDhe, pahale usakI prastAvanA AdhA ghaNTe samakitake svarUpase karate hain. us vakta aisA (kahate the).

mumukShu- pUrva sanskAr, jAgRuti...

samAdhAna- unakA prabhAvanAkA yog Adi sab alag, sab alaukik thA. unakI vANI bhI alag aur unakA gnAn bhI alag, sab atishayatAvAlA thA.

mumukShu- Ap to yah kahate ho, lekin main to DAkTar hUn, mujhe to unakI .. bhI alag lagatI thI.

samAdhAna- ... puNya aur pavitratA.

mumukShu- sabakA yog thA. Apane kahA na ki mahA yog chAron orakA. bAhya aur abhyantara.

samAdhAna- .. aisA hI kahe na, dUsarA kyA kahen? puNyake yogase sAnnidhya milA aur gaye vah bhI.. puNya aur pAp donon sAthamen hain. lekin unhonne jo diyA vah grahaN karanekA hai.

mumukShu- to-to pAp kahAn rahA? puNya bhI na rahe aur pAp bhI na rahe.

samAdhAna- unhonne kahA hai, vah grahaN kar lenA hai. hajam ho utanA khAye. nahIn to khAye kahAn-se?

mumukShu- rAjakoT..

samAdhAna- bhAvanagar tak bhI nahIn jAtI hUn.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- gurudevane bahut diyA hai. svayamkA karanA hai. apane yahAn achchhA hai. yah gurudevakA sthAn hai. yahIn hamen achchhA lagatA hai. koI kAraN binA, niShkAraN kahIn jAnekA man nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- .. prApta kare to ho sake aisA hai. svayam hI nahIn karatA hai. nij nayanakI Alasase, gurudev kahate the, hariko nirakhatA nahIn.

mumukShu- himmatabhAI aisA kyon kahate hain, DibbA khulatA nahIn. kholatA nahIn, aisA kahiye.

samAdhAna- aisA kahate hain, bAkI svayam hI nahIn kholatA hai.

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.. unhen dharmakI laganI thI. gurudevakA vaDhavANamen chAturmAs thA, us vakta pravachan likhakar peparamen dete the. mainne himmatabhAIko patra likhA ki yahAn ek mahArAj Aye hain. ham log mAnate the ki nav tattvako jAnakar shraddhA kI. dUsare sab kahate hain use mAnanese... aisA nahIn hai. aisA to ananta kAlamen (bahut bAr) kiyA, yah mahArAj to kuchh alag hI hai. aisA kahate the.

(samakitakI) mahimA karate hain. yah mahArAj Aye hain ve kuchh alag hI hai. mujhe satya lagatA hai. Ap vahAn the tab likhA thA na? vahAn vaDhavANamen chAturmAs thA taba. gurudevake pravachan sunakar, yah mahArAj kuchh alag hai. samyagdarshan par bahut vajan dete hain. aur ve kahate hain vah sab satya hai.

mumukShu- gurudevakA chAturmAs thA to pitAjIko kahA, mujhe lAbh lenA hai. phir naukarI karungA. to pitAjIne kahA, hAn, khushIse pahale lAbh lo.

samAdhAna- utane adhyayan kanThastha kiye the, sthAnakavAsIke .. kanThastha kiye the. jo koI sAdhu Aye use prashna pUchhane jAya. aisI ek manDalI thI. pUchhane jAte the.

mumukShu- .. buddhikA sad upayog kiyA.

samAdhAna- yahAn sansthAmen UtanA dhyAn rakhate the. sab mandiramen. yahAnke to sahI, bAharake bhI.

mumukShu- mArgadarshan denA, usake plAn dekhane, kaise karanA, ek-ek bAtakA... hamAre mumbaImen chAron mandirommen kitane hI bAr Akar...

samAdhAna- .. vah kAm bahut achchhA kiyA hai. mumbaImen to samavasaraN mandir, malAD, har jagaha.

mumukShu- sabhI mandirommen unake hI mArgadarshan anusAr kiyA gayA. kitane hI dinon tak, mahinon vahAn rahakar sab yojanAen karate the.

mumukShu- mAtAjI kahate ki, bhAI! gnAyakako lakShyamen rakhanA. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, vahI hai na, aur kyA karanA hai?

samAdhAna- shAstrokta karanA.

mumukShu- nAp Adi sab tilloy paNNattimen dekhakar, jinendra siddhAnta koShamen dekhakar, sab...

samAdhAna- usamen to buddhi to chalAte, lekin isamen bhI chalAte the. isamen bhI unako itanA thA. subah uThakar svAdhyAy karate the. kahate the, kal mandir jAyenge.

mumukShu- sab mandirommen moTar ghumAyI, darshan kiye. bhaNDAramen 51 rUpaye DAle. jAgRuti kitanI!

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samAdhAna- Tepamen AtA thA, main paramAtmA hUn, to aise-aise angUlI karate the. rAstemen Tep bajAte-bajAte hI le gaye the. baiThe-baiThe hI sunA. baiThe the to aisA lagatA thA ki yah sab kyon le jAte hain?

mumukShu- ham kyon le jAte hain, aisA lagatA thA. nikale tab logonkI katAr lagI thI. sabako hAth joDakar...