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mumukShu- jAnanekA jo svabhAv kahA hai, vah bhI rAgakA kAraN hai, to usase visheSh kyA?

samAdhAna- ... hone par bhI, anAdise parakI or, parakI or ekatvabuddhi kI hai. isaliye par or jAtA hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hai, lekin svayam jAnatA kahAn hai? gnAyak rahakar jAnatA nahIn hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hone par bhI svayamko pahachAnatA nahIn hai. isaliye use mushkil ho gayA hai. rAgamen aTak gayA hai. anAdi kAlase svayam gnAyak hone par bhI, svayam chaitanya hone par bhI vibhAvakI or ekatvabuddhi karake bhrAntimen paDA hai. svayam svayamko bhUl gayA hai.

yah ek AshcharyakI bAt hai ki svayam svayamko chhoDakar bAhar jAtA hai. isaliye svayam svayamko jAne. gnAyak honeke bAvajUd udAsIn rahakar jAnatA nahIn hai aur kartA hokar dUsareko main karatA hUn, karatA hUn, aisI kartRutvabuddhimen paDA rahatA hai, gnAyak nahIn hotA hai. usakI svayamkI bhUl hai, bhrAntimen paDA hai. jAnaneke bAvajUd, svayam svayamko jAnatA nahIn hai, yah ek AshcharyakI bAt hai. jAnanekA puruShArtha kare to jAn sake aisA hai.

mumukShu- gnAnako rAgake sAth ekamek kar letA hai.

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhi, rAgamishrit gnAn (hai). rAg bhinna hai aur main gnAn bhinna hUn, aise bhinnatA kare to hotA hai. rAgake vikalpa Aye, us vikalpake sAth rAgamishrit gnAn (chalatA hai). rAg so main nahIn hUn, main gnAn hUn. gnAn so main, main pUrNa gnAyak hUn. ekatvabuddhi chhUTatI nahIn, gnAyak hotA nahIn. gnAtA... kare so karatArA, jAne so jAnanahArA. gnAtA hotA nahIn aur kartAbuddhi chhUTatI nahIn. gnAtA ho jA to kartAbuddhi chhUTe. kartAUbuddhi chhUTe to gnAyak hotA hai. donon ekasAth rahe hain.

mumukShu- ... sAdhakakI paryAy, samayasArakI 15vIn gAthAmen. dravya evan bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe. vah gnAnIkA bhAvashrut hai na?

samAdhAna- bhAvashruta. te jinashAsan dekhe khare. dravya temaj bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe kare. usakI pratham pankti kyA hai? dravya temaj bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare.

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bas, usamen pUre AtmAkA svarUp A gayA. abaddhaspRuShTa-AtmA bandhA nahIn hai, sparshit nahIn hai. AtmA sAmAnyase visheSh ho nahIn jAtA. AtmA niyat hai, aniyatarUp nahIn hai. samudrakA dRuShTAnta diyA. is vRuddhi-hAnirUp AtmA mUl svabhAvase hotA nahIn. AtmA visheSharUp anya-anya hotA nahIn. AtmA ananya (hai). anya-anya hotA nahIn, ekarUp hai. sab guNonke bhed honeke bAvajUd abhed hai. aisA samAnya hai. vibhAvake sAth (hone par bhI) vibhAvarUp hotA nahIn. aisA AtmA hai. aise AtmAko pahachAne to jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare. pUrA jinashAsan usamen A jAtA hai.

jaisA AtmAkA svarUp hai, AtmA bandhA nahIn hai, AtmA sparshit nahIn huA hai, AtmA visheSharUp hotA nahIn, AtmA anya-anya hotA nahIn, AtmA vRuddhi-hAnirUp hotA nahIn. jaise agnike (sanyogase jal) uShNarUp hotA hai. vaise AtmA shItalarUp hai. vibhAvakI uShNatA usamen nahIn hai. sarva prakArase AtmAkA svarUp pahachAne. dravyako (pahachAne) aur mUl dravya par dRuShTi kare aur paryAyakA svarUp sAthamen pahachAne. vah jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare. aisA AtmAkA svarUp yathArthapane pahachAne, usamen sab A jAtA hai. aisA sab honeke bAvajUd bhI svayam aisA abaddhaspRuShTa hai.

usamen AtA hai na? kamalinIkA patra hai, vah jalase nirlep hai. usake samIp jAkar dekhe to vah bandhA huA, sparshit huA dikhAI de. andar dekhe to bandhA huA, sparshit huA nahIn hai. bhUtArtha dRuShTise dekhe to bandhA huA, sparshit nahIn huA hai. aur abhUtArthase dekhe to vah bandhA huA, sparshit huA dikhAI detA hai. isaliye use mUl vastu svarUpase dekh aur abhUtArtha dRuShTise us rUp paryAyamen hai, lekin dravyadRuShTise us rUp nahIn hai.

mumukShu- aise AtmAkA anubhav kara.

samAdhAna- aise AtmAkA anubhav kara.

mumukShu- vah jinashAsana.

samAdhAna- usamen samasta jinashAsan A gayA. mUl vastuko jAnI to samasta jinashAsan (A gayA). pUrA muktikA mArga, svAnubhUti sab A gayA.

mumukShu- .. munionko nahIn mAn rahe hain, usakA javAb denA hamen nahIn AtA. dravyalingI mithyAdRuShTi muni aur dravyalingI samyagdRuShTi, isake bAremen Abap khulAsA kar denge to merI shankA miT jAyegI.

samAdhAna- dravyalingI mithyAdRuShTi muni aur samyagdRuShTi dravyalingI muni to usamen kyA pUchhanA hai?

mumukShu- jaise Ajake jo muni hain, hamako dikhe to hamen vandanA karanA yA nahIn

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karanA, kaise..?

mumukShu- vah Apake Upar nirbhar hai. usakA tattva kyA hai vah... mumukShu- shankA jo hai, log bolate hain, hamako javAb denA nahIn AtA. mumukShu- bolane do, javAb kyon de? apanA adhikAr nahIn hai javAb denekA, apaneko samajh lenA.

samAdhAna- ... mithyAdRuShTi to AtmAko jAnatA hI nahIn hai. sva-parakI ekatvabuddhi hai. AtmA bhinna hai, sharIr bhinna hai, vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. sabamen ekatvabuddhi mithyAdRuShTiko ho rahI hai.

sachche muni to chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulanevAle hain. antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen svAnubhUti hotI hai. yathArtha muni ho to. usako svAnubhUti to hai nahIn. mAtra bAharase veSh dhAraN kar liyA. aur vartamAnamen to panch mahAvrat Adi jo shAstramen kahe hain, aisI kriyA bhI vartamAnamen to nahIn hai. jo shAstramen (AtA hai ki) AhAr kaise lenA, aisI kriyA bhI bAharamen nahIn hai, vartamAn munimen to.

pahale chaturtha kAlamen dravyalingI muni to sab kriyA pAle, sab kare to bhI bhItaramen to ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai. shubhabhAvase merA kalyAN ho jAyagA, shubhabhAvamen ruchi rahatI hai, aise muni hote hain to bhI vah muni to nahIn hai. vAstavik munikI dashA nahIn hai to vah muni nahIn hai. aur samyagdRuShTi muni dravyalingI bAharamen vesh dhAraN kar liyA aur samyagdarshan ho gayA. to samyagdarshan to hai, parantu use munikI dashA nahIn hai. munidashA nahIn hai, bAharamen vesh to hai, use munikI dashA nahIn hai. usako samyagdarshan to huA hai. bAharamen kaisA vyavahAr karanA vah to apane itanA samajhanA ki vandan vyavahAr kisako hotA hai? bhItaramen yathArtha dashA pragaT huyI ho, use vandan vyavahAr hotA hai. sachche muniko ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- shAstrommen bhI aisA AtA hai, bahinashrI! kahate hain na ki panchamakAlake AkharI tak chaturvidh sangh rahegA, to?

samAdhAna- AkhIr tak rahegA, parantu vartamAnamen to koI dikhAI nahIn dete. vah to apaneko parIkShA karanI paDatI hai. vartamAnamen koI dikhAI nahIn dete. hote hain, hote hain to kabhI-kabhI... koI hote ho to bhI vartamAnamen dikhAI nahIn dete. aisA niShedh nahIn hai. hote hain, koI muni hote hain, lekin vartamAnamen aiese dikhAI nahIn dete. usamen aisA koI kAl A jAtA hai to vartamAnamen muni dikhAI nahIn dete. sachche muni nahIn dikhAI dete. pahale ho gaye, sab AchArya ho gaye, parantu vartamAnamen koI dekhanemen nahIn Ate. niShedh nahIn hai, panchamakAlake Akhir tak muni hote rahate hain, parantu bIchamen koI

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bAr nahIn bhI hote hain, vartamAnamen dikhAI nahIn dete. mArga batAnevAle gurudev hue, unhonne mArga sachchA batAyA. parantu muni to vartamAnamen koI dikhAI nahIn dete. kahAn ho, dikhAI nahIn dete.

mumukShu- ho sakate hain, lekin dekhanemen nahIn Ate.

samAdhAna- vartamAn dekhanemen nahIn Ate. vartamAn koI kAl aisA A jAtA hai. abhI dekhanemen nahIn Ate. ho sakate hain. panchamakAlake... hote hain.

mumukShu- likhA huA hai vah bhI ThIk hai, parantu.. samAdAna- likA huA hai, barAbar hai. vartamAnamen koI-koI kAl aisA A jAtA hai. hote hain, nahIn hote hain, hote hain, nahIn hote hain. niShedh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- namostu..

samAdhAna- namostu lekin kisako karanA? sachche dev-guruko namaskAr karane hain na. bAharamen veSh dhAraN kar liyA to kyA veShako namaskAr hotA hai? aShTapAhuDamen kyA AtA hai? muni AchAryadev kahate hain, sachche muniko namaskAr hote hain. kaise karanA, nahIn karanA, apane bhAv par AdhArit hai. lekin lAbh to sachche muniko namaskAr (karanese hotA hai). aShTapAhuD shAstramen kundakundAchArya likhate hain, sachche muniko namaskAr karanA. parIkShA karanA. parIkShA to karanI paDatI hai.

mumukShuko jisako mokShakI ichchhA hove, jisako mokSha, apanA kalyAN karanA hai, usako sab parIkShA karake grahaN karanA chAhiye. binA parIkShA kiye,... mokShakA svarUp kaisA hai? AtmAkA svarUp samajhanA. yah sharIr merA nahIn hai, vibhAvasvabhAv merA nahIn hai. main gnAyak hUn. yah sab vichAr karake parIkShA karake sab nakkI karatA hai. phir bAharamen sachche dev, sachche guru, sachche shAstra, sabakI parIkShA kare. jisako mokShakI ichchhA hove, vah parIkShA (karatA hai). itanA to kShayopasham milA hai. AtmArthI ho, AtmAkA prayojan ho to itanI parIkShA to ho sakatI hai.

mumukShu- munikI ... AchAr koI bilakul pAlate nahIn. jo aisA ho to .. A jAte hain. bAhya .. to parIkShAmen kyA dikkat hai? ... usamen kyA .. ek bhI sachche batAo.

mumukShu- .. usako to muni mAnenge ki nahIn mAnenge? mumukShu- to usako praNAm nahIn karanA chAhiye. jo bAhya AchAr ... ToDaramalajIne kahA hai, samAjamen kuchh virodh nahIn hove, isaliye koI dravyalingI muni dravyalingakA AchAr barAbar pAlate ho, to...

samAdhAna- .. apane Upar hai. bAharakI bAt hai na. kalyAN to apane svarUpako

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pahachAne tab hotA hai. main gnAyak hUn, main jAnanevAlA hUn, yah sab merA svarUp nahIn hai. shubhAshubh bhAvase main bhinna hUn. yah sharIr jaDatattva hai, main jAnanevAlA AtmA hUn. yah kaise samajhamen Ave? usakI jignAsA, usakI ruchi sab honA chAhiye. ashubhabhAvase bachaneke liye shubhabhAv sachche dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA AtI hai, parantu mujhe shuddhAtmA kaise khyAlamen Ave? main shuddhAtmAkA svarUp kaise pIchhAnun? aisI pratIt, aisA gnAn (karanA).

samyagdarshan AtmAmen hotA hai, samyaggnAn AtmAmen hotA hai, samyakachAritra AtmAmen hotA hai. sab AtmAmen hotA hai. bAharase kuchh nahIn hotA, sab AtmAmen hotA hai. sAthamen shubhabhAvakA vyavahAr hotA hai. panch mahAvrat, aNuvrat sab shubhabhAv hote hain. bhItaramen chAritra to svarUpamen svAnubhUti hove tab chAritra hotA hai. samyagdarshan, svarUpakI shraddhA, gnAn sab AtmAke Ashrayamen hotA hai. usakI ruchi, jignAsA, bhAvanA sab karanA. usakI ruchi, tattvakA vichAr Adi sab karanA. aise bhavakA abhAv ho sakatA hai. phir bAhar kyA karanA, nahIn karanA, vah sab samajhamen A jAyegA. pahale bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, usakI laganI lagAnI. tattvakA vichAr karanA. yah sab to bAharakA hai. praNAm, nahIn praNAm sab bAharakA hai.

mumukShu- .. samajhamen A jAyagA to yah apaneAp ..

samAdhAna- A jAyagA, sab A jAyagA. usako vichAr karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- ... vah to sochanA chAhiye na.

samAdhAna- .. to vichAr karanA chAhiye. aisA paDhanemen AyA, mokShamArga prakAshakamen sab AtA hai. gurudevane bahut samajhAyA hai. sabakA vichAr karake nakkI karanA.

mumukShu- dravyalingI jaise mithyAdRuShTi hotA hai, bahinashrI! to samyagdRuShTi bhI ho sakatA hai kyA?

samAdhAna- samyagdRuShTi ho sakatA hai, lekin vartamAnamen aisA nahIn hai. dravyalingI samyagdRuShTi hote hain.

mumukShu- samyagdRuShTi dravyalingake sAthamen hotA nahIn hai..

samAdhAna- .. sab kriyA karate hain bAharakI.

mumukShu- chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnavAle munirAj bhI hAthamen hI lete hain?

samAdhAna- hAthamen lete hain. bhItarakI dashA koI usakI adbhut rahatI hai. dashA adbhut rahatI hai. muni to hAthamen AhAr lete hain. bAhar hAthamen AhAr liyA isaliye bhItaramen aisI dashA ho gayI, aisA nahIn hotA. vah to koI ajab hote hain, bhAvalingI muni to. chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen sharIr kahAn hai? AtmA kahAn hai? bhItaramen chale jAte hain, antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen. chalate-chalate bhI bhItaramen chale jAte hain. AhAr lete-lete nirvikalpa

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ho jAte hain. nirvikalpa dashA ho jAtI hai.

mumukShu- yah to bhAvalingIko, aur dravyalingIko?

mumukShu- mithyAdRuShTi hove to kuchh nahIn.

mumukShu- aur samyagdRuShTi hove to?

samAdhAna- samyagdRuShTiko kShaN-kShaNamen (nirvikalpatA nahIn hotI). muniko to kShaN- kShaNamen hotI hai. aisI dashA hai. kShaN-kShaNamen muniko svAnubhUti hotI hai. samyagdRuShTiko koI bAr hotI hai, koI-koI bAr samyagdRuShTiko hotI hai. ye to kShaN-kShaNamen chalate-chalate, khAte-pIte, nidrA thoDI lete hain, phir nidrAmen jAge to svAnubhUtimen. kShaNamen svAnubhUti (hotI hai). aisI munikI dashA hotI hai.

yah (bAharakI) to shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. ashubhabhAv chhoDakar tyAg le liyA. tyAg lekar aise pachchakhAN le liyA ki aise AhAr lenA. vah shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. lekin bhItarakI dashA koI kuchh alag hai. vah to shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. jaise koI upavAs kar lete hain, koI tyAg karatA hai. vaise munikI kriyA dhAraN kar le. hAthamen AhAr liyA, tyAg kar diyA ki main aise AhAr nahIn lUngA, aise AhAr lUngA. vah sab to bAharakI kriyA hai. kriyA hai, isaliye bhItaramen dashA ho gayI aisA to nahIn hai.

(gRuhasthAshramamen) bhI samyagdarshan to hotA hai. chakravartIko bhI hotA hai. .. vah to koI ajab hotI hai. aise muni nahIn ho sakate.