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samAdhAna- .. usako pahachAnanA. do tattva bhinna hain. ek muktikA mArga hai. sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai, vikalpake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai. vah AtmAko pahachAnatA nahIn hai. AtmAko pIchhAnanA aur sharIr, vibhAv Adise bhedagnAn karanA. muktikA yah ek hI mArga hai. main AtmA jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn. ananta guNase bharapUr hUn. yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. main nirvikalpa tattva hUn. aise bhedagnAn karanA, yah ek hI muktikA mArga hai.

mumukShu- kShaN-kShaN aisA chintavan hotA rahanA chAhiye? bahinashrI!

samAdhAna- chintavan to kShaN-kShaNamen tab hove ki jab yathArtha lakShaN usake khyAlamen Ave taba. usakI jignAsA kare, usakI lagan lagAye. mere AtmAmen sab sukh bharapUr hai. main AtmA mahimAvant hUn. aisI bhAvanA, jignAsA, lagan lagAve. bhItarase pahachAnA jAya. vikalpase raTanamAtrase nahIn. bhItarase vichAranA chAhiye. kShaN-kShaNamen main AtmA hI hUn, main gnAyak hUn, aisA bhItaramense jAnanA chAhiye. yathArtha to tabhI hotA hai. bhItaramense sahajapane bhedagnAn ho jAya. bhItaramen svAnubhUti ho jAve. vikalpa chhUT jAy aur svAnubhUti hove tab yathArtha hotA hai. pahale to usakI jignAsA, lagan Adi hotA hai.

mumukShu- vyApAr, kuTumbamen rahate hue bhI...?

samAdhAna- yah ho sakatA hai. vyApAr, kuTumba sabamen (rahate hue bhI) bhItaramense usakI ruchi uTh jAya. usakA ras TUT jAya. bAharase tyAg nahIn hotA hai to bhI bhItarameense ruchi uTh jAya. usakA ras uTh jAya. usakI mahimA AtmAmen lag jAy, AtmAkI lagan lag jAya. gRuhasthAshramamen bhI ho sakatA hai. AtmAkA bhedagnAn hove. pahale kAlamen, chaturtha kAlamen chakravartIko bhI bhedagnAn hotA hai. kShaN-kShaNamen AtmAko main gnAyak hUn, aisI sahaj usakI pariNati rahatI nathI. chaturtha kAlamen gRuhasthAshramamen bhI ho sakatA hai. bAharase tyAg nahIn hotA, parantu bhItaramen AtmAkI svAnubhUti, bhedagnAn sab hotA thA.

mumukShu- vah kaise kare?

samAdhAna- AtmAkI lagan lagAye, tab hove. vichAr karanA. mere dravya-guN- paryAy kyA hai? vibhAv paradravya kyA? mere dravya-guN-paryAy kyA? aise shAstrakA svAdhyAy

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kare, vichAr kare. yathArtha samajhe, satsang kare. satsangamen jAy aur usakA spaShTIkaraN (kare), nishankatAse usakI pratIt kare tab hove. binA samajhe nahIn ho sakatA hai. use samajhanA chAhiye. prayojanabhUt tattva samajhe. jyAdA jAne, jyAdA shAstra abhyAs kare isaliye nahIn, parantu mUl prayojanabhUt to jAnanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- thoDA-bahut vyApAr hai, unase bhI lagAv chhoDanA paDegA na?

samAdhAna- usase ras TUT jAnA chAhiye. ras aur ruchi chhUT jAnA chAhiye. usakI maryAdA ho jAya. usakI tRuShNA, adhik sanchay karun aisI tRuShNA TUT jAya. adhik tRuShNA Adi nahIn rahate.

mumukShu- vah kab TUTegI? jab andarase bhAv..?

samAdhAna- andaramen ruchi hove tab, AtmAkI ruchi hove tab ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAmen lagAnekA prayatna karane par bhI vah lag nahIn pAtA hai. karane par bhI .... AtA hai.

samAdhAna- lagan yathArtha nahIn lagI hai. lagan lage to ho sake. yathArtha sachchI lagan lage to bhItaramen to AtmA pahachAnanemen Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn.

mumukShu- ham samajhate to yah hain ki hamane bahutakuchh kar liyA hai, bahut lagan lagA lI hai, lekin aisA huA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- bhItaramense sachchI lagan nahIn lagI hai, Upar-Uparase lagatI hai. aise Uparase lagatI hai.

mumukShu- bhItaramense lagAneke liye bahinashrI! thoDA-bahut to lagAv chhoDanA hI paDegA na?

samAdhAna- bhItaramense aise ruchi (lage ki) bAharamen sukh nahIn hai. merA sukhakA bhaNDAr mere AtmAmen hai. bAharamen kuchh sukh nahIn hai. aisA vishvAs A jAy to ApoAp chhUT jAtA hai. aise bhItaramense (laganA chAhiye).

mumukShu- darshanakA shraddhAn honeke bAd chAritrakA shraddhAn karanA paDegA yA apaneAp ho jAyagA?

samAdhAna- samyagdarshan jisako hotA hai, sachchI pratIt, nirvikalpa svAnubhUti aisA samyagdarshan hove. phir svarUpamen lInatA to apane puruShArthase karanI paDatI hai. ApoAp nahIn hotI, puruShArthase hotI hai. samyagdarshan hove usake bhavakA abhAv ho jAtA hai. bAdamen kevalagnAn pragaT karaneke liye, AtmAkI pUrNa svAnubhUti pUrNa svarUpamen rahanA, nirvikalpa svarUpamen bArambAr jAnA, usake liye usakI lInatA lagAnI paDatI hai.

mumukShu- chAritrakA pAlan karanA jarUrI hai abhI yA shraddhAn pakkA karanA jarUrI hai?

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samAdhAna- pahale shraddhAn karanA. pahale shraddhAn muktikA mArga hai. chAritra bAdamen AtA hai. sachchA shraddhA kare to chAritra hotA hai. shraddhAn binA chAritra kaise ho sakatA hai? sachchA chAritra nahIn hotA. samajhe binA chalane lage to mArgako samajhe binA kahAn jAyagA? bhAvanagar jAnA hai to UlaTA chalegA, samajhe binA. shraddhAn ho ki yah bhAvanagarakA mArga hai. us mArgakA shraddhAn karanA. main gnAyak hUn, meremen sabakuchh bharA hai. usakA bhedagnAn karake vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main gnAyak hUn, usakI shraddhA karake yathArtha bhItaramense usamen lInatA kare. visheSh lInatA karaneke liye chAritra hotA hai.

mumukShu- khAlI chAritrakA pAlan karanese kuchh nahIn hotA?

samAdhAna- akele chAritrakA pAlan karanese kuchh nahIn hotA. shubhabhAv hotA hai, puNyabandha hotA hai, devalokamen jAtA hai. graiveyak upajAyA.

mumukShu- nigodamen AyegA yadi samyagdRuShTi nahIn huA to?

samAdhAna- hAn, samyagdRuShTi nahIn huA to nigodamen bhI jAyagA. to nigodamen bhI jAyagA. paribhramaN nahIn TUTegA. munivrat dhAr anant bair graiveyak upajAyo. munivrat dhAraN karake ananta bAr graiveyak gayA, vahAn bhavabhramaN TUTA hI nahIn. samyagdarshan karanese bhavabhramaN TUT jAyagA.

mumukShu- isakA kyA pramAN hai ki hamAre manuShyake bhav pUre hI ho chUk hain yA abhI kuchh bAkI rah gaye hain? Ageke bhavonke liye kyA patA hai ki manuShyabhav hai yA nahIn hai?

samAdhAna- apanA pariNAm dekh lenA ki main kaise pariNAm karatA hUn? Age kyA? jaise pariNAm hove aisA phal milatA hai. kaisA pariNAm bhItaramen hotA hai? pariNAmamen kaluShitatA aur bahut bAharakI lubdhatA, ruchi hove to main... jaisA usakA pariNAm, vaisA usakA bhava. mere pariNAm kaise hote hain, yah dekh lenA. main antaramense kitanA bhinna rahatA hUn? mujhe AtmAkI kitanI ruchi hai? yah sab dekh lenA. pariNAmamen atyant ekatvabuddhi hai to jaisA pariNAm (vaisA) usakA phala.

bhav milanese kyA hotA hai? bhItaramen AtmAkI ruchi karanese bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. bhav to devakA bhav ananta bAr milA aur manuShyakA bhav bhI ananta bAr milA. sabakuchh mil chukA hai. shubhabhAv karanese puNyabandha hove to devalok hotA hai, manuShyabhav hotA hai shubhabhAvase, parantu bhavakA abhAv to nahIn huA. bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, vaisA karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- bhavakA abhAv karaneke liye anubhUti prApta karanI hai.

samAdhAna- anubhUti prApta kare to bhavakA abhAv hotA hai.

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mumukShu- siddha avasthA prApta honeke bAd yah antatattva hai yA bAhya tattva hai?

samAdhAna- siddhadashAko prApta kare to antar tattva hai. siddhakA svarUp to antatattva hai. niyamasAramen kuchh aisA..

muumukShu- nav tattva bahitattva hai. nij ek hI anta tattva hai. siddhadashA siddha apekShAse antatattva hai aur paryAy apekShAse bAhya kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- ek daphe siddha honeke bAd bhI usamen rajobadal hotA rahatA hai kyA? paryAyakA to...

samAdhAna- siddhadashA to antatattva hI hai. anta, bAhya samajhanamen bahut mushkipal hogA.

mumukShu- paNDitajI sAhabane samajhAyA, lekin Apake mukhase samajhe to thoDA...

samAdhAna- bhItaramen lIn ho gayA siddhakI dashA, kevalagnAn prApta ho gayA, vikalpa sab TUT gaye. samyagdarshan samyagdRuShTi jo hotA hai... darshanakI apekShAse darshanake viShayamen paryAy gauN hotI hai, dravya mukhya rahatA hai. isakI apekShAse bAhya aur abhyantar aisA kahanemen AtA hai. bAkI gnAn sab jAnatA hai. paryAy hai, dravya hai. paryAy aur dravya, sab dravyakA svarUp hai. siddhakA svarUp hai. usako sab anta hI hai.

... jaisA apanA shubhabhAva. shubhabhAv hove to puNya bandhe. pariNAmake Upar puNya hai. darshan karake pariNAm achchhe hove te puNya bandhe, pariNAm idhar-Udhar chalA jAtA hai to...

mumukShu- koI bhI kharAb pariNAm...

samAdhAna- pariNAm dUsarA hotA hai to.. pariNAm achchhA hotA hai to puNya bandhatA hai. Atma svarUpakI prApti to nahIn hotI aur shubhabhAv hotA hai, puNya bandha (hotA hai). sAmAnya puNya bandha hotA hai. kyonki apane AtmAkA svarUp to pahachAnatA nahIn hai. tIrthamen phire, AtmA svarUp-tIrtha to pIchhAne nahIn, Atma-tIrthako aur tIrtha-tIrthamen phire to kyA? shubhabhAv hotA hai. shubhabhAv rakhe to puNyabandha hotA hai.

mumukShu- ... vahAn jo AdamI rahate hain, jo jainiyon... unake bhAv halake rahate hain, tIrthankShetramen, aisA kyon?

samAdhAna- aisA ekAnta nahIn hotA hai. sabake bhAv (aise nahIn hotA).

mumukShu- panchamakAlake hisAbase...?

samAdhAna- panchamakAlamen sabake bhAv aise nahIn hote.

mumukShu- aisA niyam nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- aisA niyam nahIn hai. sabakA bhAv aise rahate hain? jaisI yogyatA hotI

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hai, aisA bhAv hotA hai. kShetra kyA kare? kShetra kisIkA kuchh kar nahIn detA. apanA bhAv aisA rahe to apanI yogyatA, apanA doSh hai, tIrtha kyA karatA hai? koI nimitta kuchh kar nahIn detA. nimitta kar hI nahIn detA hai, nimitta kuchh kar nahIn detA hai. apane upAdAnakI taiyArI hove aisA hotA hai.

mumukShu- kahate hain, yahAn Akar Apake darshan hue to shAnti ho gayI.

samAdhAna- ... bahut kiyA, AtmAko nahIn pahachAnA. AtmAko pIchhAnA nahIn.

mumukShu- yAtrA to..

samAdhAna- bhAv Ave, kare yAtrA. shubhabhAv hai.

mumukShu- shubhabhAv Anese yAtrA karate hain.

samAdhAna- tIrthamen bhagavAn hai? apane bhagavAnako pIchhAnanA chAhiye. AtmAko nahIn pahachAnatA hai. bhagavAnako dekhakar apanA bhAv achchhA honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- ham bhI vaise hI bane.

samAdhAna- bhagavAn jaise hove, aisA honA chAhiye. OM bhagavAnakI divyadhvani hai. bhagavAnakI vANImen OM AtA hai. ekAkSharI vANI bhagavAnakI vANI hai. usamen sab ananta rahasya AtA hai. sab apanI yogyatA anusAr samajh lete hain. OM hai. panch parameShThIkA mantra, sab OMmen A jAtA hai. OM bhagavAnakI vANI hai. bhagavAnako kevalagnAn hotA hai to vANI aise kram-kramase nikalatI hai, aise bhagavAnakI vANI kram-kramase nahIn nikalatI hai. ek OM nikalatA hai. us OMmen sab ananta rahasya AtA hai. usamen itanA atishay rahatA hai ki sab apanI bhAShAmen sab samajh lete hain. aisI bhagavAnakI vANI OM hai.

mumukShu- OMko arihanta avasthAmen bhI dhyAyA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- arihanta avasthAmen usakA dhyAn nahIn hotA hai, OM bhagavAnakI vANI hai.

mumukShu- vANI hai?

samAdhAna- vANI hai, vANI hai. bhagavAnako to pUrNa kevalagnAn ho gayA. bhagavAn OMkA dhyAn nahIn karate, bhagavAnakI vANI OM hai.

samAdhAna- ... tab kuchh kAm nahIn AtA. sansAr to aisA hai. janma-maraN sansAramen hai. jo janma aur maraN sansAramen hai. AyuShya sabake pUre hote hain. parantu is manuShya jIvanamen AtmAkI ruchi ho vahI lAbharUp hai. bAkI to sansAr aisA hI hai. jIvanamen kuchh AtmAkI ruchi kI ho, andar sanskAr boye ho, gurudevane jo vANI barasAyI hai, vah svayamne grahaN kI ho to manuShya jIvan saphal hai. bAkI jIvanamen sabako yahI karane jaisA hai, manuShya jIvanake andara.

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ananta janma-maraN hue. janma-maraN to sansAramen hai hI. bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, yah karane jaisA hai. gurudevane bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, yah mArga batAyA. ananta bhav hue, vah bhav itane ananta hue ki usakI koI sImA nahIn hai. nigodamen ananta kAl rahA. ananta narkamen hue, ananta manuShya, ananta tiryanch aur ananta devake hue. aisA chAr gatikA paribhramaN khaDA hai. usamense bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, yah gurudevane mArga batAyA ki antaramen tU dekh, AtmAko pahachAn, usakA bhedagnAn kar to bhavakA abhAv ho.

bAkI bhavakA abhAv... bAharase jIvane bahut kiyA hai. shubhabhAv kiye, kriyAen kI parantu antar dRuShTi nahIn kI. antar dRuShTi karake AtmAko pahachAne, sab shubhAshubh bhAvase bhinna andar AtmA hai use pahachAne, usakA bhedagnAn kare to bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. vah jab tak na ho tab tak usakI ruchi kare, jignAsA kare, lagan lagAye. ashubhabhAvase bachaneke liye shubhabhAv Ate hain, parantu vah bhI AtmAkA svarUp nahIn hai. andaramen shuddhAtmAkI ruchi rakhanI vahI hai. shubhabhAvamen jinendra dev, guru, shAstra unakI mahimA, shAstrakA chintavan, vah sab jIvanamen karane jaisA hai. shuddhAtmA kaise pahachAnamen Aye, bhavakA abhAv usIse hotA hai. anya koI prakArase bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA.

ananta kAlamen sab milA hai. yah ek samyagdarshan durlabh hai. jinendra devake darshanA (nahIn kiye). jinendra devakA yog huA hai lekin svayamne pahachAnA nahIn hai. isaliye samyagdarshan hai vahI apUrva hai. vah kaise ho, usakI lagan, jignAsA Adi karane jaisA hai. sabake AyuShya pUrNa hote hain. devalokakA sAgaropamakA AyuShya bhI pUrA ho jAtA hai. aur chakravartIkA AyuShya bhI pUrA ho jAtA hai. to phir is panchamakAlakA AyuShya to kyA hisAbamen hai? unakI jo ruchi thI, andar sanskAr the vah apane sAth jAte hain. manuShya jIvanamen yahI karane jaisA hai. kisIko chhoDakar svayam AtA hai, svayamko chhoDakar dUsare chale jAte hain. aisA sansAramen chalate hI rahatA hai. AtmAkA svarUp pahachAn lene jaisA hai.

mumukShu- pahalekI sab kaiseT batAyI. gurudevashrI aur ApakI, evan jin mandirakA sab thA, mere pAs ek viDIyo kaiseT hai. pahalekI sab kaiseT dekhI. kyonki sonagaDh lekar Aye aisI sthiti nahIn thI.

samAdhAna- viDIyomen to bhagavAn dikhe, sab dikhe.

mumukShu- sammedashIkhar Adi jo baDe-baDe tIrtha the sabakI pUrI kaiseT thI, vah sab tIrthasthAn dikhAye.

mumukShu- yahAn sonagaDh par use bhAv bahut thA.

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samAdhAna- bhAv thA, pahalese bhAv thA.

mumukShu- bahut bhakti. gurudevashrI aur bahinashrIko dekhe to andarase aisA ho jAtA thA, hAth-pais sIdhe nahIn the isaliye aisA kuchh kar nahIn sakate the.

samAdhAna- unako jo ruchi thI vah ruchi sabako rakhane jaisA hai. AtmAkA svarUp kaise samajhamen Aye, usakI jignAsA, lagana. AtmA jAnanevAlA gnAyak hai, usamen ananta guN bhare hain. vah anupam tattva hai. yah vibhAv svabhAv apanA nahIn hai. AtmA bhinna hai, usakA bhedagnAn kaise ho, usakI jignAsA, lagan jabatak nahIn ho tab usakI ruchi aur shubhabhAvommen jinendra dev, guru aur shAstra, unakI mahimA shAstrakA chintavan, shAstrakA svAdhyAy, jIvanamen vah sab shubhabhAvamen (honA chAhiye). aur shuddhAtmAmen AtmAkI ruchi rakhane jaisA hai. jIvanamen vah kartavya hai. janma-maraN to chalate hI rahate hain. unhonne jo ruchi (kI), unhonne jo kiyA vah sabako karane jaisA hai. AtmAkI ruchi, jinendra dev, guru, shAstrakI mahimA Adi.

... panchamakAlamen padhAre vah to koI apUrva tIrthankarakA dravya, unakI to bAt kyA! aise mahApuruShakA avatAr yahAn kahAn? panchamakAlamen kahAnse?

mumukShu- ... mainne mahArAj sAhabako kahIn dekhA hai.

samAdhAna- vahAn Upar hI rahatI thI na. tab mandir jAnA kuchh thA nahIn, isaliye bAhar bhI bahut nahIn nikalatI thI. mandir nahIn thA.

mumukShu- mandir darshan jAnekI koI prathA shurU nahIn huyI thI.

samAdhAna- prathA shurU nahIn huI thI. chattArI mangalan, arihantA mangalan, sAhU mangalan, kevalipaNatto dhammo mangalan. chattArI loguttamA, arihantA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNan pavajjAmi, arihantA sharaNan pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNan pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNan pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr mangal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe anta. mokSha taNA sukh le anant, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sansAramAnhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahIn koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. angUThe amRut varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavAnchhit phal dAtA.