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mumukShu- AtmAmen ruchi lagA. mAno ki bAharakI koI bAten ruchatI nahIn. AtmAkI charchA-vArtA hotI ho usamen achchhA lagatA hai. use AtmAmen ruchi lagI aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- vah to AtmA orakI ruchi, AtmAkI vArtA ruchatI hai, isaliye vaise ruchatA hai aisA kahanemen Ay, parantu sachamuchamen ruchi to AtmAko grahaN kare to vah ruchA aisA kahanemen Aya. AtmAko grahaN kare. AtmAko grahaN karake AtmAmen lIn-sthir ho jAy to AtmAmen ruchi lagI aisA kahanemen Aya. bAkI usakI ruchike kAraN vaisI bAt ruche, us prakArake vichAr ruche, vah bhI ruchA hai, phir bhI sachamuch ruchi to AtmAko grahaN kare to ruchi kahanemen Aya.

mumukShu- anubhav ho to?

samAdhAna- to usakI shraddhA ho, usakI anubhUti ho. use grahaN kare to vah ruchA kahanemen Aya. jise kahIn ruchatA nahIn hai, vahI AtmAko grahaN karatA hai. use hI AtmAmen ruchatA hai. koI vibhAvamen jise kisI bhI prakArakA ras nahIn hai, kahIn khaDA rah sake aisA nahIn hai, koI sharaNabhUt lagatA nahIn, koI vikalpa bhI sharaNarUp nahIn lagatA yA AshrayarUp nahIn lagatA hai. aisA nirAshray ho jAy, vah AtmAkA sharaN grahaN kare. to usane AtmAkA sharaN grahaN kiyA. to use AtmAmen ruchi aisA kahanemen Aye. AtmA ek sthir sthAn hai, shAshvat sthAn hai ki jisamen AtmAmen ruche aisA hai aur usImen shAnti evan Ananda sab usImen hai.

samAdhAna- ... to hI hotA hai na, nakkI kiye binA kaise ho? muumukShu- .. samAdhAna- asti grahaN karanI chAhiye na? asti grahaN karanI chAhiye. jise AtmAmen ruchatA hai use AtmAmen ruchatA nahIn. bAhar kahIn ruchatA na ho to AtmAmen ruchi lagA.

samAdhAna- ... do upayog sAthamen to rahate nahIn.

mumukShu- svabhAv sanmukhake vichAr matignAnamen ho aur nirvikalpa dashA shrutagnAnamen

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hotI hai?

samAdhAna- nirvikalpa dashA shrutagnAnamen hotI hai. matignAnamen nirvikalpa huA vah to ek shAstrakI bAt huyI ki mati honeke bAd shrut hotA hai. mati bhI AtA hai aur shrut bhI AtA hai. matikA upayog palaTakar shrut ho jAtA hai. mati sAmAnya hotA hai, phir visheSh pariNatirUp shrut hotA hai. phir mati bhI nirvikalparUp hokar shrut ho jAtA hai. aisA bhI hotA hai. mati mAtra savikalpa hI hotA hai aur nirvikalpa nahIn hai. mati aur shrut sAthamen hai. mati bhI nirvikalparUp pariNamatA hai, phir upayog visheSharUp pariNamatA hai isaliye shrut ho jAtA hai.

... donon Atma sanmukh kiyA. itane antarmuhUrta kAlamen hotA hai. darshanaupayog, mati aur shrut sab ho jAtA hai. .. vah to kevalagnAnIke gnAnamen hotA hai. vah koI andar gnAn nahIn hotA hai. ... spaShTapane grahaN karanA. vahAn gnAnake bhed nahIn paDate. ek gnAnaupayog rahatA hai. vikalpa chhUTakar itane antarmuhUrta kAlamen darshan, mati aur shrut sab ho jAtA hai. aur pariNatikA to veg tIvra hai. ek samayamen jo lokAlokako jAnatA hai. andar svarUpamen jAte hI antarmuhUrtamen pariNati honemen der nahIn lagatI.

mumukShu- pUchhe to kahate the ki shrutagnAnamen aur kevalagnAnamen pharka kyA rahA? sab shrutagnAnamen jAnanemen A jAy to kevalagnAnamen aur usamen..?

samAdhAna- usamen kyA pharka rahA? .. vah grahaN karanI hotI hai. bAkI yuktimen Aye aisI bAt hai. vah koI anubhUtimen usake nAm nahIn hote. sAmAnya aur visheSh pariNati, aisA use yuktise kah sakate hain. sAmAnya hokar visheSh hotI hai. matiko Atma sanmukh kiyA aur shrutako Atmasanmukh kiyA. donon pariNatiko sameTakar svayam Atma sanmukh karatA hai. Atma sanmukh kare vahAn to vikalpa chhUT jAte hain. dononko Atma sanmukh kiyA.

... use shrutagnAn pariNamA hai. donon upayog sAthamen to rahate nahIn. usamen AchAyAkI kitanI bAt AtI hai. usamen jo grahaN ho, vah to shAstronkI bAt hai. ... darshanaupayog sAmAnya ek sattAmAtra hotA hai. matimen avagrah, ihA, avAy, dhAraNA sab hotA hai to bhI use sAmAnya kahA aur usase visheSh tarkaNAko shrut kahA. vah sab bhagavAnakI vANImen AyA hai. AchAyAne paramparAse sab shAstrommen gUnthA hai.

mumukShu- usamense bahubhAg shAstrase pramAN karanA paDe.

samAdhAna- shAstrase pramAN karanA paDe. ... usamen to bhedagnAn ki yah gnAnasvabhAv jo lakShaNase grahaN hotA hai athavA yah vibhAvasvabhAv dukh aur AkulatArUp hai. andar sukh aur shAnti AtmAmen hai.

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AtmA ananta guNase bharapUr dravya-guN-paryAy Adi sab use vedanase AkulatArUp hai. amuk use yuktise, siddhAntase vah sab nakkI ho sakatA hai. bAkI kuchh to shAstronse nakkI karanA hotA hai. vah sab use yuktise nakkI hotA hai aur vah yuktiyAn samyak hotI hai. .. vah sab anubhavamen AtA hai. ise mati kahate hain athavA shrut kahate hain, vah shAstra AdhArit hai.

mumukShu- vah pUrA viShay shAstrakA hai.

samAdhAna- shAstra par hai.

mumukShu- anubhavamen khyAlamen lenekA prayatna kar ki main bhinna hUn aur yah bhinna hUn. to tujhe bAdamen sahajatA hogI. kArya kaThin hai, phir bhI usake sivA dUsarA koI upAy nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- dUsarA koI upAy nahIn hai, astitvako grahaN karanekA. pad-padamen, kShaN-kShaNamen use hI grahaN karanA. vah kArya kaThin hone par bhI usake binA chhUTakArA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- bAkI to Apane aisI sundar lAin dI hai ki kisI vastumen santoSh nahIn hotA. aur aisA rahA karatA hai ki jo vAstavamen karanA hai vah to hotA nahIn hai. ham mAnate the, lekin pad-padamen jitanA ho sake bhinna paDanekA prayatna kare ki main to bhinna gnAyak hUn. yah sab bhinna hai. vah bhI bhIge hRudayase arthAt vItarAgatAke prayojanase.

samAdhAna- bhIge hRudayase. pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. lekin puruShArtha kiye binA chhUTakArA nahIn hai. sahaj honeke bAd use sugam ho jAtA hai. pratham bhUmikAmense use palaTanA chAhiye. anAdikA abhyAs hai usamen aisI ekatvabuddhi usakI aisI ho gayI hai ki usamense bhinna karanA use kaThin paDatA hai. jaisA usamen kShaN-kShaNamen ekatva bhUlatA nahIn hai, vaisA sahaj svayamko karanA kaThin paDatA hai. kyonki anAdise aise palaT gayA hai, use palaTanA kaThin paDatA hai. isaliye pratham bhUmikAmen use vikaT lagatA hai, parantu sahaj ho to use sugam paDatA hai. bAdamen use utanI vikaTatA nahIn hotI. parantu usakI pratham bhUmikA vikaT hI hotI hai.

mumukShu- vyAyAm karanA paDe. kasarat karanI paDe.

samAdhAna- pratham bhUmikA vikaT hotI hai. jis kisIko antarmuhUrtamen hotA hai, vah alag bAt hai. lekin jahAn prayAsase karanA hai vahAn to use prayAs hI karanA paDatA hai. to kArya hotA hai.

mumukShu- bahut sundar, mAtAjI! hararoj jitanA vichAr karate hain, utanI usakI

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gahanatA dikhatI hai. vAstavamen to sharma AtI hai ki kuchh karate nahIn hai, unhonne to kyA bAkI rahA hai? jo kuchh tujhe karanA hai, vah sab Apane batA diyA hai.

samAdhAna- pUchhanekA to yahAn baiThe hain isaliye pUchhe.

mumukShu- apanI aisI bhUmikA kahAn hai ki pUchhanA..

mumukShu- nahIn, vaise to .. is mUl bAbatamen to Apane jo spaShTIkaraN kiyA vah to itane sundar prakArase khyAlamen Ate rahatA hai ki yadi pUrA din yah karate rahe to dUsarA kuchh karanekA hI nahIn hai. jo prayojan sAdhanA hai vah prayojan to isIse...

samAdhAna- sadhe aisA hai.

mumukShu- .. chhUTaneke samay usakI kyA sthiti hai? aur chhUTaneke bAd kyA gati hotI hai?

samAdhAna- samyagdRuShTiko to sharIr bhinna aur AtmA bhinna, usakA bhedagnAn hai. isaliye use andarase bhinna AtmA nyArA rahatA hai. use koI bhI vikalpa Aye to vikalpase bhinna rahatA hai. thoDI use amuk prakArakI asthiratA ho to usake kAraN alpa rAg-dveSh hote hain, parantu vah alpa gauN hote hain. lekin vah bhinna rahatA hai. use bhedagnAn (vartatA hai). sharIramen vedanA ho to usase bhinna rahatA hai, jo vikalpa Aye usase bhinna rahatA hai. isaliye use andar bhedagnAn hotA hai. isaliye use gnAyakakI dashA, gnAyakakI dhArA chalatI hai. use svAnubhUti hotI hai. gnAyakakI dhArA chalatI hai.

isaliye samyagdRuShTikI gati to use devagati hotI hai, samyagdRuShTi ho usakI. aur sansArI jIv hain, use jo agnAn dashA hai aur AtmAko bhinna nahIn kiyA hai aur ekatvabuddhi hai, sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna, vikalpa merA svabhAv nahIn hai, usase bhinna nahIn paDA hai aur ekatvabuddhi hai, isaliye sharIrake sAth ekamek hai aur gnAyakako bhinna nahIn jAnatA hai, isaliye ekatvake kAraN manda kaShAy ho, yadi AkulatA bahut ho to usakI gati jaisA usakA AyuShyakA bandha ho us anusAr hotA hai. tiryanch ho, pashu ho, aisA hotA hai. parantu manda kaShAy ho aur achchhe pariNAm rakhe to use dev yA manuShyakI gati hotI hai. parantu use bhedagnAn, bhedagnAn nahIn hotA hai.

use andarase AtmA bhinna nahIn rahatA hai aur samyagdRuShTiko bhinna rahatA hai. use shubhabhAv ho to usakI gati to dev aur manuShyakI hotI hai, parantu samyagdRuShTiko to niyamase Age jAnepar svarUp ramaNatA baDhatI jAtI hai, manuShya ho tab kevalagnAn prApta karatA hai. use to vah hotA hai.

lekin ise yadi andar ruchi ho AtmAko bhinna karanekI to Age jAnepar vah Age baDh sakatA hai. lekin samyagdRuShTi to niyamase Age baDhatA hai. aur kevalagnAnI

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hote hain, kevalagnAnI to pUrNa ho gaye hain. unhen to kevalagnAn yAnI pUrNa vItarAg dashA (pragaT ho gayI hai). unhen vikalpa bhI nahIn hotA. vikalpakA nAsh ho gayA hai. ve to keval svarUpamen sthir ho gaye hain, kevalagnAnI to. ve to aise samA gaye hain ki bAhar hI nahIn Ate hain. aisI unakI dashA hotI hai. kevalagnAn, pUrNa AtmAkI sAdhakadashAkI parAkAShTA ho aisI utkRuShTa dashAko kevalagnAnI prApta hue hain. aur AtmAmen jitanI pUrNa shaktiyAn hai, vah unhen pUrNa pragaT ho gayI hai.

gnAnasvabhAv AtmAkA hai, AtmA gnAyak hai. vah gnAnakI dashA pUrNa, AnandakI dashA pUrNa, sab unhen pUrNa ho gayA hai. ek samayamen,... svayam to svarUpamen virAjate hain, parantu ek samayamen sahaj hI sahajabhAvase pUrA lokAlok unake gnAnamen gnAt hote hain. aisI unakI-kevalagnAnIkI dashA hotI hai. ek samayamen dravya, kShetra, kAl, bhAv, narka, svarga, pratyek jIvonke bhAv, unake dravya-guN-paryAy sab ek samayamen pratyakSha jAnate hain. unhen koI vichAr nahIn karanA paDatA hai. ekadam pratyakSha sahaj jAnate hain. lekin svayam svarUpamen hI hote hain, bAhar nahIn Ate hain, vikalpa nahIn AtA hai. unhen AhAr nahIn hotA. unhen pAnI athavA AhAr kuchh nahIn hotA. unake sharIramen rog nahIn hotA. ve to sharIrase bhinna hI ho gaye.

muumukShu- aghAti karma to unhen hain. samAdhAna- ghAti karmakA kShay ho gayA hai. vah kShay ho gayA hai. jo gnAnako roke, Anandako roke, darshanako roke, chAritrako roke, vah sab karma kShay ho gaye hain aur andar utanI dashA pUrNa ho gayI hai. mAtra unhen AyuShya hai. isaliye sharIr hai. amuk prakArakI shAtA vedanIy hai. aise chAr karma hain. lekin vah AtmAko avarodharUp nahIn hote hain.

mumukShu- vedanIy unhen hotA hai?

samAdhAna- vedanIy, ashAtA vedanIy unhen nahIn hotI. shAtA vedanIy alpa hotI hai.

mumukShu- jIvako mAlUm paDatA hai ki ab jAnA hai, aisA AtmAko mAlUm paDatA hai?

samAdhAna- sab AtmAko mAlUm nahIn paDatA, kisIko mAlUm paDatA hai ki ab AyuShya pUrA ho rahA hai. kevalagnAnIkI to bAt hI alag hai, ve to pratyakSha gnAnI hain, unakI to bAt alag hai. lekin sab AtmAko mAlUm nahIn paDatA ki ab AyuShya pUrA ho rahA hai. kisIko mAlUm paDatA hai. kisIko mAlUm paD jAtA hai ki ab AyuShya pUrA honevAlA hai. sabako mAlUm paDe aisA nahIn hai.

aur kevalagnAnIkI gati to mokShagati hai. bas, vah to mokShagati hai. ab deh

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dhAraN hI nahIn karanA hai. yah deh hai, deh chhUTakar (muktiko prApta honge). unakA sharIr hI bhinna ho gayA hai. ve to bole bhI alag, jamIn par bhI nahIn chalate hain, kevalagnAnI to jamInase Upar chalate hain. Upar AkAshamen chalate hain. kevalagnAnI yahAn to dikhAI bhI nahIn dete.

mumukShu- jIv chhUTaneke bAd ... turanta dAkhil hotA hai yA thoDA kAl jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, kAl nahIn jAtA hai. jIv yahAnse chhUTaneke bAd turanta dUsarI gatimen jAtA hai. bIchamen rukatA nahIn. turanta hI dUsarI gatimen jAtA hai. phiranekA koI kAraN nahIn hai. use turanta hI jis prakArake karma ho, jaisI gatikA bandha ho usI gatimen usI samay utpanna ho jAtA hai. ek antarmuhUrtamen.

mumukShu- dUsarI gati to hotI hI hai? samyagdRuShTi ho to bhI?

samAdhAna- hAn, usakI gati hotI hai. kyonki abhI pUrNa nahIn hai. samyagdRuShTi yAnI pUrNa dashA nahIn hai. svAnubhUti hotI hai, parantu svAnubhUtimense bAhar Ate hain.

mumukShu- thoDI kShaN Aye phir chalA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- svAnubhUti hotI hai, phir bAhar AtA hai. bAhar AtA hai to bhI usakI dashA alag rahatI hai. parantu svAnubhUti use pUrNarUpase TikatI nahIn hai, isaliye use bhav hotA hai. kevalagnAnIko to svAnubhUti pUrNa ho gayI hai, bAhar hI nahIn Ate hain. ve to svarUpamen samAye so samAye bAhar Ate hI nahIn.

mumukShu- siddha hI ho gaye.

samAdhAna- hAn, siddha ho gaye-pUrNa ho gaye. samyagdRuShTi hai use svAnubhUti hotI hai, parantu bAhar AtA hai. bAhar Aye to bhI use AtmA to hAjir hI rahatA hai. parantu upayog bAhar jAtA hai. bAkI bhinna rahatA hai. shrImadamen AtA hai na, "tethI deh ek dhArIne jAshun svarUpadesh'. samyagdRuShTi ho to bhI use deh dhAraN karanA bAkI rahatA hai.

mumukShu- vedAntamen kahate hain ki jIv thoDI der gati dhAraN karanese pahale bhramaN hotA hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, bhramaN nahIn hotA hai, bhramaN nahIn hotA hai. jIv bIchamen ghumatA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- usake liye jo ...

samAdhAna- kahAn soye?

mumukShu- jIv svabhAv to jAnanA-dekhanA hai.

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samAdhAna- jAnanA-dekhanA hai, lekin usakI jAnane-dekhanekI dashA kevalagnAn kahAn hai? vah to abhI bhrAntimen jAnatA-dekhatA hai. AtmA svayam apaneko jAnatA hai. bhramaN kare vah sab kyA karate hain, vah jAnane nahIn AtA. jAnane nahIn AtA.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- jahAn usakA nishchit huA ho, jaisA karmabandha huA ho us anusAr jAtA hai. yahAn dekhane nahIn AtA. vaisA jAnanA-dekhanA to vaisI nirmalatA ho to jAne- dekhe. ... jAnatA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- .. vah jAne to sahI na?

samAdhAna- nirmal ho to jAne. ek samay, do samay, tIn samayamen chale jAtA hai. vahAn antarmuhUrtamen utpanna ho jAtA hai. ... kuchh samay jIv bhaTakatA hai, phikShar utpanna hotA hai. usamen AtA hai.

kevalagnAnI yAnI pUrNa dashA parAkAShTA ho gayI. unhen phir kuchh karanA bAkI nahIn hai. pUrNa sAdhanA ho gayI, kRutakRutya ho gaye.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- kisIko hotI hai, kisIko nahIn hotI hai.

mumukShu- usamen bhI OM nikalatA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, sabako OM nikalatA hai. koI mUkakevalI hote hain vah alag hai, hotI hai, sAmAnya kevalIko vANI hotI hai. kevalagnAnIkI vANIkI varShA to sabakI hotI hai. vah to antar pUrA gnAn nirvikalpa ho gayA, nirichchhak ho gayA. sabako OM dhvani hI hotI hai. samavasaraNakI vibhUti vah ... gandhakUTI hotI hai, vah sab unake yogya amuk prakArase hotA hai.

anek deh dhAraN kiye. ek dehakamen jAneke bAd dUsarA deh bhUl jAtA hai. jahAn dUsarA deh dhAraN kare to pUrva bhavakA bhUl jAtA hai. kyonki usamen paD jAtA hai isaliye pUrva bhav bhUl jAtA hai. jIvane aise ananta bhav kiye.