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samAdhAna- ... usane ek gnAyakako grahaN kiyA hai, AtmAko grahaN kiyA hai. aise vichArase, buddhise nakkI kare (aise nahIn). antaramen main jAnanevAlA hI hUn, aise gnAyakako svayamne antaramense grahaN kiyA hai. use grahaN karake, us par shraddhA-pratIt karake usamen vah lIn hotA hai-usamen sthir hotA hai. isaliye bAhya dRuShTi chhUTakar vah antaramen lIn hotA hai. bAharase upayog antaramen (le jAtA hai). dRuShTi to gnAyak par hai. upayog bAhar jAy to bhI usakI dRuShTi to gnAyak par rahatI hai. parantu upayog bhI bAhar jAtA ho use sthir karaneke liye vah gnAyakamen lIn hotA hai. anya koI vikalpamen lIn hotA hai, aisA nahIn. bIchamen vikalpa Aye, panch parameShThIkA vikalpa Aye, dravya-guN- paryAyake vichAr Aye vah alag, vah shubhabhAv hai. parantu antaramen gnAyakamen lIn hotA hai. bArambAr gnAyakamen lIn hotA hai, gnAyakakA dhyAn karatA hai.

mumukShu- vah savikalpa dhyAn hai?

samAdhAna- bhale savikalpa ho, parantu gnAyakako grahaN karake dhyAn hai. vikalpa usamen gauN hotA hai aur gnAyakamen lIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- usamense nirvikalpa kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAna- gnAyakamen lIn hote-hote, jo-jo pariNAm vikalpa Aye usase main bhinna hUn, main gnAyak hUn, aise gnAyakamen lIn hote-hote use ugratA tIvra ho to vikalpa chhUTate hain. ugratA ho to.

mumukShu- kahate hain ki main baddha hUn aur abaddha hUn, vah bhI vikalpa hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, vah bhI vikalpa hai.

mumukShu- to phir savikalpamense nirvikalpamen jAnA kaise?

samAdhAna- use vikalpa hai ki main baddha hUn-bandhA hUn, parantu abaddha hUn, vah bhI nayakA vikalpa hai. vah vikalpa yAnI rAg hai ki main abaddha hUn, abaddha hUn. us vikalpa parase dRuShTi uThAkar, upayog uThAkar main jo hUn so hUn, vikalpa nahIn. chaitanyakA astitva hai vahI main hUn. ek merA astitva gnAyak vahI main hUn. aise vikalpako gauN karake gnAyakako grahaN kare. bArambAr usamen lIn ho to usake vikalpa chhUTe.

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ek gnAnasvabhAvako, aisA AtA hai na? ek gnAnasvabhAvako grahaN karake, nishchay karake. main yah gnAnasvabhAv hI hUn, main gnAn hI hUn, aisA nakkI karake bAdamen mati- shrutakA upayog, gnAnakA upayog jo bAhar jAtA hai use bhI antaramen lAkar usamen sthir ho to vikalpa chhUT jAya. lekin sthir honA, sachche gnAn binA sachchA dhyAn nahIn ho sakatA. usakA gnAn sachchA ho, gnAn samyak ho to usakA dhyAn sachchA ho. gnAn sachchA ho to sachchA dhyAn ho. yadi usake gnAnamen bhUl ho to, gnAyakako grahaN nahIn kiyA ho to kahAn sthir khaDA rahegA? vikalpamen sthir khaDA rahegA, gnAyakako grahaN nahIn kiyA ho to. gnAyakake astitvako grahaN kiyA ho to usamen usakI sthiratA jamatI hai, nahIn to vikalpamen sthiratA jamatI hai. phir dhyAn kare aur vikalpa manda ho jAy to use aisA lagatA hai ki vikalpa chhUT gaye. vikalpa sUkShma ho gaye. lekin gnAyakako grahaN kare to sachchA dhyAn hotA hai.

mumukShu- us vakta jo jaD prAN hai, vah lIn hote hai, usakI gati bhI aisI ho jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- prAN to bAhar rah jAte hain. lekin antaramen gnAyak chaitanyako grahaN kare phir prAN kahAn gaye, usakA use dhyAn nahIn hai. prAN kyA, shvAsoshvAs hai yA kyA hai, us or usakA dhyAn bhI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- usakA na jAy, oTomeTik prAN lIn hote hain aur ...

samAdhAna- vah bAharase hotA hogA ki bAharase usake prANI alag prakArase gati karate ho. lekin antaramen to use aisA hI hai ki main mere gnAyak lIn ho jAUn, basa. us jaD prANakI or kyA hotA hai, usakA dhyAn nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- aisA hotA hogA kyA?

samAdhAna- kuchh AtA hai, AtA hai, shAstramen AtA hai. usake prAN Uparase jAte hain, aisA AtA hai.

mumukShu- jo bahir prAN hote hain, usamen ... jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- lekin usake shvasoshvAs banda nahIn ho jAte. usakI gati alag ho jAtI hai, gati alag ho jAtI hai.

mumukShu- kyonki jaD prANonse chhUTaneke liye yah sab prayatna hai na?

samAdhAna- jaD prANonse chhUTaneke liye..

mumukShu- jaD prAN karmake kAraN hain.

samAdhAna- bhale usase chhUTanekA prayatna hai, parantu usakA prayatna gnAyakako grahaN karanekA hai.

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mumukShu- mukhya to vahI hai.

samAdhAna- kyonki jaD prANonse chhUT jAUn, chhUT jAUn aisA kare parantu antaramen svayamko grahaN nahIn kiyA ho to kahAnse (chhUTe)? aisA dhyAn jIv bahut bAr karatA hai. aisA dhyAn kare ki bAharase kuchh bhI ho to use mAlUm nahIn paDe. prAN rok le, shvAsoshvAs rok le, aisA sab kare, parantu andar gnAyak grahaN nahIn huA ho to vah dhyAn kaisA? AtA hai na?

sab kare. maun rahA, dhyAn kiyA, .. kare, bAharase sab thambh jAy aisA kare. andar gnAyakako grahaN na kiyA ho to... usamen AtA hai, kuchh aur rahA un sAdhanase. usake sAdhanamen kuchh alag hI hai. andar chaitanyako grahaN nahIn kiyA ho to bAharase sab dhyAn to kare, parantu antaramen grahaN kare to hotA hai. aisA dhyAn jIvane bahut bAr kiyA. upavAs kiye, tyAg kiyA, yam kiyA, niyam pAle, parantu guru batAte hain ki andar tU tere AtmAko grahaN karake dhyAn kara.

mumukShu- isIliye to mainne kahA na ki, jo antarAtmA huA hai usakA dhyAn is prakArakA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- usakA dhyAn AtmAko grahaN karake, gnAyakako grahaN karake, chaitanyako (grahaN karake hotA hai). use chaitanya andarase apanA astitva grahaN hotA hai. yah sharIr use grahaN nahIn hotA, shvAsoshvAs nahIn, Ankh nahIn, sunanA nahIn, us or kahIn upayog nahIn hai. vikalpakI or upayog hai use svayam bhinna karake ek gnAyakakI or jAya. bas, ek chaitanya. chaitanyake alAvA kuchh nahIn. main ek AtmA gnAyaka. usakA svabhAv grahaN kare.

vikalpase raTaN karatA rahe, main gnAyak.. gnAyak.. gnAyaka. aise to vikalpa hotA hai. parantu vastu jo padArtha hai, us padArthako grahaN karake dhyAn kare to hotA hai. sabase bhedagnAn kare, main yah nahIn hUn, main sharIr nahIn hUn, main vikalpa nahIn hUn, yah rAgayukta vikalpa mere nahIn hai. jo-jo shubhabhAv, shubhabhAvake vikalpa Aye vah bhI merA svarUp nahIn hai. un sabase main bhinna (hUn). bhinna hUn, aisA vikalpa kare lekin main bhinna kaisA? kaunasI vastu hai? ki main yah vastu hUn. yah main jAnanevAlA sabake bIch rahanevAlA. yah sab jaD hai. yah vikalpa Aye, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse vikalpa Aye parantu vah merA svarUp nahIn hai. vah to vikalpakI jAl hai. usase bhI main nirAkul svarUp jAnanevAlA, sabako jAnanevAlA so main hUn. vah jAnanevAlA sabako jAnanevAlA aise nahIn, parantu andar

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jo svayam jAnanevAlA hai. sabako jAnA isaliye jAnanevAlA nahIn, parantu svayam usakA svarUp hI jAnanekA hai. jaise yah jaDa. vah svayam jAnanevAlA hai. vah jAnanamAtra nahIn, parantu ananta adabhut svarUpase bharA hai vah main hUn. aise svayamko vikalpase nahIn, apitu svabhAvase grahaN kare. guD shabda nahIn, shakkar shabda nahIn parantu us vastuko grahaN kare. use grahaN karake usakA dhyAn kare, usamen ekAgra ho to hotA hai. lekin usakI shraddhA, sachchI pratIt pahale ho, nishchay kare to dhyAn hotA hai.

samAdhAna- .. dhyAnakA phal andar AtmAkI prApti ho, svAnubhUtikI prApta ho.

mumukShu- usase nirjarA hotI hai?

samAdhAna- nirjarA to hotI hai, karmakI nirjarA hotI hai aur andar svAnubhUtikA phal Ave, andar AtmAkI prApti ho. AtmA jo adabhut svarUpase virAjatA hai usakI use anubhUti ho. aur karmakI nirjarA ho, karmakI nirjarA ho. parantu vah abhI thoDI nirjarA hotI hai, pUrI nirjarA to kevalagnAn ho tab hotI hai. lekin sachchI nirjarA to use svAnubhUti ho tab hI hotI hai. bAkI ananta kAlase jo nirjarA hotI hai, vah sab to bandhan hotA hai aur nirjarA hotI hai, bandhan hotA hai aur nirjarA hotI hai, vah sachchI nirjarA nahIn hai. andar AtmAko grahaN kare to sachchI nirjarA hotI hai.

mumukShu- jIv janmatA hai aur maratA hai, RuShAnubandhase ikaTThe hote hain, vah kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAna- janma-maraN hote hain vah usake karmake kAraNa. jaise usane karma bAndhe hote hain, vaisI gati hotI hai. aur AyuShya bAndhA ho usakA maraN hotA hai. kisIko pUrvakA sambandha hotA hai, to koI pUrvamen ho to ikaTThe hote hain aur koI ikaTThe nahIn bhI hote. unake pariNAmakA mel Ave to vah RuShAnubandha (hotA hai). pariNAmakA mel Ave to ikaTThe hote hain. yadi pariNAmakA mel na ho to ikaTThe nahIn hote. kyonki kisIkA pariNAm devalokamen jAy aise ho, kisIke pariNAm tiryanchamen jAy aise ho, kuTumbamen sab ikaTThe hue hon, sabake pariNAm ek samAn nahIn hote hain. kisIke pariNAm kuchh hote hain, kisIke pariNAm kuchh aur hote hain, isaliye koI kahIn jAtA hai aur kahIn jAtA hai. isaliye ikaTThA honA mushkil hai. sabake pariNAm ekasamAn ho to ve ikaTThe hote hain. .. bhagavAnake bhavamen agale bhavamen amuk jIvonke pariNAm samAn the to sAth- sAth janmate the. aur kitane hI jIv to koI kahIn jAtA hai aur koI kahIn jAtA hai. kisIkA mel nahIn hai.

mumukShu- hameshA isI prakAr ikaTThe ho aisA kyo nahIn hotA? RuNAnubandha ho, amuk kAraN...

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samAdhAna- pariNAmakA mel hove to hI ikaTThe hote hain. pariNAm bhinna-bhinna ho to ikaTThe nahIn hote.

mumukShu- .. milate hain, bichhaDate hain, kisIko RuNAnubandha nahIn hai. ...

samAdhAna- kisIkA mel honA ho to ho jAtA hai. jignAsA sachchI thI to mil gayA. sachchA mil gayA. paDhanekA ras thA, satya khojanekA (ras thA) to vAnchan karate the, ichchhA thI satyakI to paDhate-paDhate satya prApta ho gayA.

mumukShu- mainne pUchhA bhI thA, rAmAyaN, bhAgavat, upaniShad paDhe to ab kyA?

samAdhAna- .. ho to mil jAtA hai. .. ho to use bahut kRupAse bulAte the. vastu to hai, anek vastuen hain. parantu terA vikalpa chhoD de, tU teremen sthir ho jA. vastu ek nahIn hai. vastu bhinna-bhinna hain. tU tere vikalpa chhoDakar andar sthir ho jA.

mumukShu- itanA sab alag samajhamen AyA? ek kahe, brahma laTakA kare, brahma bhAse nahIn... itane alag hain.

samAdhAna- samajhamen Aye aisA hai, jise jignAsA ho use.

mumukShu- bahut samajhamen Aye aisA hai.

samAdhAna- samajhamen Aye aisA hai. .. dekhatA hai, jo andar vedan hotA hai, vah kuchh nahIn hai, yah ek vichAramen Aye aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- kyonki yah ek anubhav shAstra hai.

samAdhAna- .. samyagdRuShTiko bolanekI.. bAhar bole to bhI use AtmA bhinna hI rahatA hai. chale, sharIr chale to bhI AtmA bhinna rahatA hai. chale, phire, bole, khAy, pIe sab kare, lekin use AtmA to sabamen bhinna hI rahatA hai. yah kriyA ho, sharIr chale, sab ho, lekin use AtmA to bhinna hI bhAsatA rahatA hai. use rAg Ave to rAgase bhI vah bhinna bhAsatA hai. alpa asthiratAko samajhatA hai ki mere puruShArthakI mandatAse is rAgamen juDatA hUn. parantu sab kriyAmen usakA AtmA use bhinna bhAsatA hai. use AtmA bhinna usake vedanamen, usake gnAnamen, usake darshanamen, usake AcharaNamen sabamen AtmA bhinna hI (rahatA hai), sab kriyAmen. vah chale yA bole yA khAye, pIye, jIvan- maraN sabamen AtmA use shAshvat bhinna hI dikhatA hai. AtmA use ekatva bhAsit hI nahIn hotA hai, AtmA use bhinna hI dikhAI detA hai. nidrAmen, svapnamen sabamen AtmA use bhinna hI rahatA hai. svapnamen bhI use AtmA bhinna rahatA hai. use sabamen AtmA bhinna hI bhAsit hotA rahatA hai.

yah main AtmA bhinna, yah sharIr bhinna, yah khambhA bhinna dikhAI detA hai, yah dIvAr

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bhinna dikhAI detI hai, vaise sharIr mujhase bhinna hai. rAg Aye vah bhI merA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhI merA svabhAv bhinna hai. puruShArthakI mandatAse sabamen khaDA hUn, phir bhI main to bhinna hI rahatA hUn. kShaN-kShaNamen bhinna (rahatA hai). koI kShaN aisI nahIn jAtI ki jisamen use AtmA ekarUp ho jAya. pratikShaN use AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai.

koI bhI kArya karatA ho, bolate ho, kuchh bhI likhatA ho, kuchh bhI karatA ho, sabake andar AtmA use bhinna (rahatA hai), ekatva hotA hI nahIn. bhinna bhAsatA rahatA hai. merA AtmA bhinna, gnAyakakI pariNati use nirantar chAlU hI hai. usamen use thoDA- sA bhI pharka nahIn paDatA. yadi vah ekamek ho jAy to usakA gnAn ekatvabuddhivAlA ho jAya. gnAnamen use bhinna hI bhAsatA hai. kShaN-kShaNamen bhinna (bhAsit hotA hai), vah use bhUlatA hI nahIn, kisI bhI kShaN nahIn bhUlatA hai. vah usakA vartan hai. bhinna to bhAsatA hai, lekin AtmAmen andar sthir honekA prayatna vartatA hai. use thoDAsA bhI bhUlatA nahIn.

use vichAr karake jabaran rakhanA paDe yA use kuchh kRutrim karanA paDe aisA bhI nahIn hai, use sahaj bhinna bhAsatA hai. vichAr kiye binA use sahaj (bhAsatA hai). jisamen vichAronkI shrRunkhalA chalatI rahe usamen koI jabaran nahIn lAnA paDatA, vaise AtmA use ekadam sahajapane bhinna hI bhAsatA hai. kuchh bhI karatA ho to bhI. aisI usakI vartanA hotI hai. hameshAkI vartanA. bhinna, hameshA bhinna rahatA hai. bhale kahIn bhI khaDA ho, kahIn bhI baiThA ho, use bhinna hI bhinna bhAsatA hai.

bhagavAnake sAmane bhakti karatA ho, bhagavAnake darshan karatA ho, bhAv Aye, bhakti Aye to bhI AtmA bhinna bhAsit hotA hai. vAnchan karatA ho, sabakA vichAr karatA ho, dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp, to bhI usakA AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai. aur usakI dhArA gnAnadhArA-gnAtAdhArA aise hI chAlU hai.

mumukShu- nirantar chalatI rahatI hai.

samAdhAna- nirantar chalatI hai. isIliye kahate hain na, kaun khAtA hai, kaun pItA hai, kaun hilatA hai, kyonki use AtmA bhinna hI bhAsit hotA hai. vah bhinna rahatA hai. parantu vah samajhatA hai ki alpa asthiratAke kAraN yah sab bolanekI, chalanekI kriyAen hotI hai. alpa rAg hai. parantu use AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai. alpa bhI na ho to-to use khAnekI, pInekI kisI bhI prakArakI kriyA na ho. alpa hai, parantu AtmA use bhinna bhAsatA hai.

mumukShu- gnAnIkI vartanA gnAnI hI jAnate hain. aisA ek kalashamen AtA hai.

samAdhAna- yathArthapane gnAnIkI vartanA gnAnI hI jAnate hain. kyonki gnAnIko usakA

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anubhav hai. isaliye gnAnIkI kyA vartanA pariNati hotI hai, vah gnAnI hI jAnate hain. parantu mumukShu svayam vichAr kare to vichArase amuk prakArase use nakkI ho sakatA hai. barAbar yathArtha to gnAnIkI vartanA gnAnI hI jAnate hain. parantu mumukShu vichAr kare to nakkI kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- mumukShu hai use andar tattvakA to yathArtha nirNay hotA hai, bAhya lakShaNase...?

samAdhAna- hAn, vah to bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu usakI jignAsA amuk prakArakI hai, isaliye bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu antaramen use yathArtha jAnanA to mushkil paDe. to bhI mumukShu satpuruShako pahachAn sakatA hai, bAhya lakShaNase. antaramen use bhedagnAnakI pariNati kaise chalatI hai, vah use yathArthapane barAbar nahIn jAnatA hai, parantu use amuk anumAn dvArA jAn sakatA hai ki inakI vANI kuchh alag hai, vartan alag hai, unake parichayase, unakI vANIse amuk samajh sakatA hai. vANI dvArA, unake parichay dvArA unakA AtmA kyA kAm karatA hai, use amuk prakArase jAn sakatA hai. nahIn to satpuruShako pahachAne kaise? har jagah AtmA.. AtmA.. AtmA. use usakI pariNatimen AtmA hI hai.

munionkI to bAt hI alag hai. unako to bAharakA sab chhUT gayA hai. muni to kShaN-kShaNamen AtmA... gnAyakakI pariNati to hai parantu unhen svAnubhUti antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen hotI hai.

mumukShu- .. kaun-se guNasthAn tak...?

samAdhAna- shrAvak chhaThThe guNasthAn paryant aur pancham guNasthAn paryanta. deshashrAvak hai vah pancham guNasthAn aur avirati shrAvak hai vah chaturtha guNasthAn paryant hote hain. muni chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen hote hain. muniko baDh gayI hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA baDh gayI hai. shrAvakonko bhedagnAnakI dhArA hai aur svAnubhUti bhI hai. parantu munionko tvarAse svAnubhUti hotI hai. munionkI sthiti baDhatI hai, kAl baDhatA hai, sab tvarAse hotA hai. abhI vartamAnamen koI muni dikhAI nahIn dete. parantu munidashA panchamakAlake ant tak hai, chhaThThA- sAtavAn guNasthAna. shAstramen AtA hai ki Akhir tak bhAvalingI muni honevAle hain. abhI bhI chhaTThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn hai. vartamAnamen aise muni dikhAI nahIn dete, lekin hai sahI. koI-koI kAlamen hote hain, chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hue muni. aTThAIs mUlaguN, antaramen AtmAkI dashA pragaT huI ho. aTThAIs mUlaguN kisIko bAharase hote hain, antarakI dashAke sAth ho vah bhAvalingI muni (hain).

mumukShu- bAharamen dikhAI nahIn dete ho, antarakI sthiti usakI UnchI ho to...?

samAdhAna- jise antarakA ho use bAharamen hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai. aisA AtA hai. antarang dashA ho use bAhar hotA hai. bAhar ho aur andar ho yA nahIn bhI ho.

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parantu antaramen ho use bAhar hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai. bAharase kisIne bheSh le liyA ho, bAharase kisIne pratignA le lI, bAharase le lI, parantu antaramen jo bhAv (honA chAhiye vah nahIn hotA). upavAsakA pachchakhAN le liyA, parantu andar jo upavAs honA chAhiye, antar AtmAko pahachAnakar, vah huA nahIn ho. bAharase le, parantu jise andar ho use bAhar hotA hI hai. aisA sambandha hai.

mumukShu- desh-kAlake kAraN kuchh chIjen na ho sake, aisA nahIn ho sakatA?

samAdhAna- desh-kAlake kAraN tattvamen pharka nahIn paDatA.

mumukShu- tattvamen to na paDe, andar to usakI vartanA barAbar hai. chhaThThe-sAtaven tak aNagAr ho vah bhI pahunch sake yA na pahunch sake?

samAdhAna- chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen ho, use bAharamen to aisI hI hotA hai. shAstramen AtA hai vaisA. desh-kAlake kAraN (badalatA nahIn).