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mumukShu- vaise bAharase krodhamen ras kam huA ho aisA bAharase to dikhatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- dikhe yA nahIn dikhe, usakA nishchit nahIn kah sakate. aise koI bAhya prasang munirAjako sAmane Aye, kaun-sA Aye, kis prakArakA ras bAharase andAj lagAnA mushkil paDatA hai, kaI bAr andAj lagA sakate hain, koI bAr nahIn bhI Ave. koI aise rAgake prasangamen andAj nahInl lagA sakate.

mumukShu- pratyek vikArI bhAvake samay kam rasakA vedan ho aisA nahIn hai?

samAdhAna- ras kam hai. bhinna (rahatA hai), ras kam hai. yah merA svarUp nahIn hai, main usase (bhinna hUn). ras to usakA har vakta kam hI hai. bhinna (rahatA hai), use anantAnubandhI ras TUT gayA hai. ras TUT gayA hai. tIvra ras nahIn hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. bhinna rahatA hai, ekatvabuddhi nahIn hai.

mumukShu- .. puruShArtha ho to hI.. sahaj bhAvase svabhAv hI aisA ho ki Asakti nahIn hotI, to phir ... use kah sakate hain? achchhA nahIn lagatA ho, khAne-pInemen achchhA nahIn lagatA ho. vahAnse to manuShya apaneApako virakta karatA hai to use ham tyAg kahate hain, parantu yadi vah svabhAv hI ho to phir use tyAg kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- kisIkA svabhAv hI aisA hotA hai ki kahIn achchhA nahIn lagatA, ghumanA-phiranA Adi. vah to sAmAnya sajjanatA hai. AtmAke hetuse ho ki AtmAke liye yah sab kyA ghumanA-phiranA? sahaj usakA svabhAv hI aisA hai. ek prakArakI sajjanatA.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- AtmAke hetuse. AtmAke hetuse ho to kahA jAy, anyathA nahIn.

mumukShu- .. aisA manda kaShAy ho..

samAdhAna- manda kaShAy kaho, kitanonkA svabhAv hI aisA hotA hai. lekin vah koI AtmAke hetuse nahIn hai. aisA manda kaShAy to bahutonko hotA hai. vah koI kAryakArI nahIn hotA hai. shubhabhAvarUp (hai).

mumukShu- upayogakI ekAgratAke liye kyA karanA?

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samAdhAna- usakI ekAgratA kab hotI hai? ki andar utanI AtmA-orakI ruchi jAgRut ho to ekAgra ho sakatA hai. svayamko utanI ruchi honI chAhiye. upayogamen chAron or dUsare prakArakA ras ho to upayog ekAgra nahIn hotA. yah to AtmAkI orakA ras laganA chAhiye. prashastamen bhI, dUsarA ras chhUT jAy to prashastamen bhI TikatA hai. to AtmAkI or Tikaneke liye to AtmAkI orakA ras honA chAhiye. to upayog ekAgra hotA hai. utanA ras andar honA chAhiye, utanI ruchi honI chAhiye.

puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. bArambAr usakA abhyAs kare to hotA hai. anAdikA ras hai, usamen usake abhyAsake kAraN vahAn dauD jAtA hai. aprashastamen jAtA hai. prashastamen lAneke liye bhI usakA ras honA chAhiye. bhagavAn par mahimA ho, gurukI mahimA ho, unakI vANIkI mahimA ho, shAstrakI mahimA ho to usamen AtA hai. to AtmAkI mahimA ho to AtmAkI or AtA hai. aur puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. mahimA ho to bhI puruShArtha kare to hotA hai.

samAdhAna- .. apanI pariNatike kAraN... paradravya to jo hai so hai, paradravya bUrA nahIn hai. bUrA to apane doShakI pariNati hotI hai vah vAstavamen bUrI hai. chaitanya Adarane yogya hai. jaisA hai vaisA jAnanA, usamen koI rAg-dveSh nahIn hai. chaitanyatattva Adarane yogya hai aur vibhAv hai vah TAlane yogya hai. vah jaisA hai vaisA jAnanA vah rAg- dveShakA kAraN nahIn hai. parantu svayam rAg-dveSh (kare aur) paradravya par doSh de to vah galat hai, vah usakI bhramaNA hai. doSh paradravyakA nahIn hai. apanI vibhAv pariNatike kAraN svayam rukakar vibhAv pariNatikA doSh hai. paradravyakA doSh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- vah bhale rAg ho, parantu vah Adarane yogya hai. vah vikalpa jo Aye vah rAg hai. bAkI vastu to svayam AdaraNIy hai. vastu jo hai so hai. bAkI Adarane yogya to apanA svabhAv hai. aur vibhAv TAlane yogya hai. vibhAv hey hai. aur chaitanya Adarane yogya hai. jaisA hai vaisA gnAn karake use grahaN karanA. usake sAth jo rAg Ave vah rAg to hey hai.

yah Adarane yogya hai, aisA jo vikalpa ki yah gnAn, darshan, chAritrakA jo rAg ho ki AtmA aisA mahimAvant hai, yah gnAn koI apUrva hai, yah darshan chaitanyakA guN koI apUrva hai, aisI jo mahimA Ave vah sAthamen rAg hai. vah rAg TAlane yogya hai. parantu chaitanya svayam mahimAvant hai, vah to barAbar hai. rAgako rAg jAnanA aur vastu jaisI hai vaisI jAnanI, usamen koI doSh nahIn hai. jaisA hai vaisA vastu svarUp grahaN kara. rAgako rAg jAna. vah rAgamishrit bhAv hai. bIchamen jo AtA hai vah rAg sAthamen

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AtA hai ki yah AdaraNIy hai aur yah tyAganeyogya hai. usakI pakkaD kare ki paradravya doSharUp hI hai, vah to rAg-dveSh hai.

mumukShu- jaisA hai vaisA jAnanA...

samAdhAna- vah koI rAg-dveSh nahIn hai, jaisA hai vaisA jAnanA. jo AdaraNIy hai usakA Adar karanA, tyAg karane yogya hai usakA tyAg kare. tyAg-grahaN vastu svarUpamen nahIn hai. parantu svayam vibhAvamen rukA hai isaliye use tyAg-grahaN Aye binA nahIn rahatA. isaliye jaisA hai vaisA jAnakar tyAgane yogya tyAge aur grahaN karane yogya grahaN kare, vah koI rAg-dveSh nahIn hai. sAthamen rAg AtA hai. use bhed paDatA hai isaliye rAg hue binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- vaisA vikalpa utpanna karanA vah rAg hai.

samAdhAna- vah rAg hai. yah gnAyak Adar karane yogya hai, vah vikalpa hai vah rAg hai. usakI pariNati usake sanmukh jAy vah rAg nahIn hai.

mumukShu- samyak sanmukhako mAlUm paDatA hai ki vah samyak sanmukh hai yA nahIn?

samAdhAna- svarUp sanmukh ho use mAlUm paDatA hai, parantu andar svayamko dekhanekI dRuShTi ho to. apanI pariNati svarUp sanmukh jAtI hai, vah svayam andar jAne to mAlUm paDe. svarUp sanmukh merI pariNati jAtI hai, vibhAv gauN hote hain. jAne, use barAbar sUkShmatAse jAne to mAlUm paDatA hai. svayam hI hai, koI anya nahIn hai.

mumukShu- .. AtmAkA anubhav honeke bAd chha mahine paryant puna anubhav nahIn huA ho to vah jIv niyamase mithyAdRuShTi ho jAy, aisA hai?

samAdhAna- chha mahinekA aisA koI kAlakA antar nahIn hai. nahIn ho to... usakI dashAmen amuk kAlamen honA hI chAhiye. usakI vartamAn pariNati bhI bhedagnAnakI rahatI hai. svAnubhUti to hotI hai, parantu vartamAn pariNati bhI bhedagnAnakI hI rahatI hai. vartamAn pariNatimen bhI yadi ekatvabuddhi hotI ho to usakI dashA hI nahIn hai. vartamAnamen usakI sahaj dashA jo vartatI dashA hai, usamen use bhedagnAn rahatA hai aur use andar vishvAs hotA hai ki amuk samayamen yah pariNati nirvikalpa dashAmen jAtI hai aur jAyegI hI. itanA use vishvAs hotA hai. jAyegI yA nahIn jAyegI, aisI shankA bhI nahIn hotI. usakI vartamAn dashA hI use pramAN karatI ho ki yah dashA aisI hai ki andar nirvikalpa dashA hue binA rahanevAlI nahIn hai. usakI vartamAn dashA hI use andar utanA pramAN (detI hai), use andar vishvAs hotA hai.

andar vartamAn pariNatimen shankA paDe ki hogI yA nahIn hogI? to usakI vartamAn pariNatimen hI doSh hai. vartamAn pariNati bAhar rukatI hai, parantu yah pariNati aisI hai

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ki andar gaye binA (rahegI nahIn). usakA mArga spaShTa hI hotA hai. merA mArga andar banda nahIn huA hai. andar pariNati jAyegI hI. use andarase vishvAs hotA hai, sahajapane. vartamAn usakI dhArA hI aisI chalatI hai. use chhUTakar bArambAr use bhedagnAnakI dhArA aisI chalatI hai ki vikalpa chhUTe binA rahegA hI nahIn. nirvikalpa dashA hue binA rahegI nahIn, aisA use vishvAs hotA hai. aur hue binA rahe bhI nahIn.

mumukShu- prati samayakI pariNati hI..

samAdhAna- vartamAn pariNati dvArA use khyAl hai, vishvAs hai ki nirvikalpa dashA hue binA rahegI nahIn. main to muktike mArga par hI hUn. yah mArga merI hathelImen hai. gnAyakakI dhArA mere hAthamen hai, vikalpakA chhUTanA mere hAthamen hai. use vishvAs hai.

mumukShu- Aj to guru-bhakti aur guru-mahimAkA din hai.

samAdhAna- sab bahut achchhA ho gayA.

mumukShu- guru-bhaktikA svarUp..

samAdhAna- gurudevakA to jitanA kare utanA kam hai. gurudevane to mahAn upakAr kiyA hai. muktikA mArga pUrA pragaT karake (darshAyA hai). sab kahAn the aur kahAn AtmAkI ruchi pragaT ho aisA mArga batA diyA hai. muktikA mArga pUrA spaShTa karake chAron orase prakAsh kiyA hai. is panchamakAlamen aisA mArga milanA mahA durlabh thA. gurudevane to mahAn upakAr kiyA hai. bhavabhramaNamen gote khA rahe jIvonko sabako bachA liyA hai.

mumukShu- mahAn-mahAn upakAr pUjya gurudevashrIkA.

samAdhAna- mahAn upakAr hai. is panchamakAlamen ek mahAn vibhUti! yahAn gurudevakA janma-avatAr huA yah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. tIrthankar jaisI vANI unakI, tIrthankarakA dravya aur unakI vANI bhI aisI hI thI. chAron orase muktikA mArga prakAsh kiyA hai. aisI joradAr vANI thI. andar jise taiyArI ho use bhedagnAn hue binA rahe nahIn. aisI unakI vANI thI.

mumukShu- guru-bhakti, guru-bhakti aisA ham karate to hain, parantu guru-bhakti vAsvatamen pragaTatI ho ... aur jo bhakti AtI hai tab aisA hotA hai ki hamen bachA liyA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevane jo kahA hai vah karanA hai. gurudevakI vANI aur shAstra to bahut prakAshit ho gaye hain. yah to isamen utkIrNa huA isaliye phir aisA ho gayA.

mumukShu- AjakA din bahut achchhA hai. shubh thA, ullAs thA.

samAdhAna- utsav ho gayA. yah prakAshit ho tab utsav karanA yah navIn ho gayA.

mumukShu- sab pratAp to ApakA hai. itanA khyAl AtA hai ki guru-bhakti kaisI

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hotI hai, ek-ek prakAr dekhate hain tab khyAlamen AtA hai ki hamako to aisA koI vichAr bhI utpanna nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- vah utkIrNa karanemen chAron orakA A gayA hai. dRuShTiko mukhya rakhakar chAron orakA muktikA mArga (A gayA hai). usamen gurudevakA sankShepamen-sAramen sab A gayA hai. bAkI to gurudevane sab vistArase pragaT kiyA hai. shAstrake shAstra bane utanI unakI vANI chhUTI hai. ek samayasAr, pravachan ratnAkarake kitane bhAg hote hain! unakI vANI to vistArase pasar gayI hai.

mumukShu- Ap kahate ho na ki sankShepamen dRuShTipUrvak sab bAt..

samAdhAna- pUrA muktikA mArga A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTikI pradhAnatAse sab utkIrNa huyI hai.

samAdhAna- sab bAt andar AtI hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- gurudevake pratApamen sab samAviShTa ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- sAdI bhAShAmen sAdhAraN janatA shuddhAtmAkI bAt samajh sake aisI bhAShA gurudevakI nikalI hai.

samAdhAna- bahut sAdI bhAShAmen. aisI Ashcharyayukta sabako asar kare aisI hai. gurudev virAjate the. mahAbhAgyakI bAt thI ki bharatakShetra shobhatA thA, aise santa yahAn padhAre.

mumukShu- kudaratI Aj Tepamen aisA AyA ki hamen kevalagnAn samIp hI hai.

samAdhAna- sthAnakavAsImen sab (kahate the), gurudevake AsapAs kevalagnAn chakkar lagAtA hai.

mumukShu- chAlIs sAl pahale.

samAdhAna- sampradAyamen sab kahate the. unako kAnajImuni kahate the. kevalagnAn unake AsapAs chakkar lagAtA hai. sthAnakavAsImen sab sAdhu kahe, muni kahe, sab kahate the. sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen unake jaise koI sAdhu hI nahIn the.

mumukShu- atyant ullAsake sAth aisA shabda AyA. gurudevake pravachanamen us vakta to itane log boTAdamen (Ate the).

samAdhAna- log galImen baiTh jAte the. shAstronke artha karanA, ek panktimense kitane artha nikalate the. sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen shvetAmbarake shAstra ho to ek shabdamense kitanA nikalatA, unhen kitanA chalatA thA. ek adhikAr ho to...

mumukShu- alaukik shakti...

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samAdhAna- utanA vANImen nikalA, unhen gnAnamen... shrutakI labdhi. ek shabdamen chaudah brahmANDa khaDA kar de aisI (vANI). bhagavAnakI vANImen divyadhvanimen sab Aye, vaise unake ek shabdamen sab A jAtA thA. chAron pahalUse AtA thA.