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samAdhAna- .. bhinna hai, AtmA bhinna hai. do tattva bhinna hain. sankalpa-vikalpa bhI apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhinna AtmA kaise gnAt ho? vah karane jaisA hai. usakI jignAsA, usakI mahimA vah karane jaisA hai. tattva vichAr, svAdhyAy Adi sab karane jaisA hai. svAnubhUti kaise prApta ho? vah karane jaisA hai.

ananta kAlase bAhar dRuShTi karake mAno bAharase sab mil jAyegA, mAno bAharase sab AtA hai (aise pravartatA hai). bAharase kuchh nahIn AtA, antaramense AtA hai. thoDe shubhabhAv kare, kuchh kare to mAnon mainne bahut kiyA, aisA use lagatA hai. parantu vah mAtra puNyabandha hotA hai, devalok prApta hotA hai, lekin bhavakA abhAv to shuddhAtmAko pahachAne to hI hotA hai.

mumukShu- jAgRutarUpase vidyamAn hai, shaktirUp hai use jAgRut kaise kahanA?

samAdhAna- vah jAgRut hI hai. usakA ghAt nahIn huA hai. usakA gnAnasvabhAv to jAgRut hI hai. gnAn dab nahIn gayA hai. gnAnasvabhAv gnAyak svayam jAgRut hI hai. vah svayam bAhar lakShya karatA hai, bAharakA puruShArtha karatA hai isaliye aisA lagatA hai ki main gum gayA. lekin vah jAgRut hI hai. gnAyak usakA gnAnasvabhAvakA ghAt nahIn huA hai. gnAyak svayam anAdiananta shAshvat jAgRut hI hai. svabhAvakA ghAt nahIn huA hai isaliye jAgRut hI hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- shakti to hai, parantu usakA svabhAv gnAyak svabhAv hai vah jAgRut hai. shaktikA artha aisA nahIn hai ki vah shakti aise hI paDI hai, kuchh karatI nahIn hai aisA nahIn hai. gnAyak to jAgRut hI hai. kArya yAnI paryAyarUp svAnubhav...svabhAv vaisA hI hai.

mumukShu- ... mumukShutA pragaT huyI hai, aisA svayamko apanA jIvan dekhanA ho to kis lakShaNase khyAl Ave ki yah sachchI mumukShutA hai? bAharamen to sabake sAth sab chalatA rahatA hai, phir bhI kabhI shankA paD jAtI hai ki mumukShutA hI satyArtha hai yA nahIn?

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samAdhAna- mAtra mokSha (abhilASh). ek AtmAkI jise abhilAShA hai, dUsarI koI abhilAShA hai. ek AtmA hI chAhiye. jisakA ek AtmA hI dhyey hai. sab kArya aur sab prasangamen mujhe ek AtmA hI chAhiye. mAtra AtmAkI abhilAShA hai. jo sab sankalpa-vikalpa, vibhAv hote hain, usamen tanmayatA nahIn hai, parantu mAtra ek AtmAkI abhilAShA hI jise mukhyapane vartatI hai. vah mumukShutA (hai). mAtra mokSha abhilASh, jise mAtra AtmAkA hI abhilAShA hai. mujhe AtmA kaise prApta ho? mujhe svAnubhUti kaise prApta ho? jise bAhar koI padArthakI ichchhA yA kisI bhI prakArakI abhilAShA nahIn hai. sab kAyAmen juDe, phir bhI use sab gauN hai. dhyey mAtra ek AtmAkA hai ki AtmAkA kaise prApta ho?

... svAdhyAy, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Adi sab hotA hai. lekin ek AtmA kaise prApta ho? AtmAke binA jise kahIn chain nahIn paDatI. ... bArambAr batAte the ki tU tere AtmAko dekha. AtmA gnAnasvabhAv hai. yah sab tujhase bhinna hai, tU tere AtmAko dekha. aisA bArambAr svayam andarase jignAsAse grahaN karanekA prayatna kare.

mumukShu- ... vihAr kiyA hai aur jahAn-jahAn unake pAvan charaNasparsha huA hai, vahAn yah bAt ekadam khaDI ho gayI hai.

samAdhAna- sab taiyAr ho gaye hain. chAron or jahAn-jahAn unhonne vihAr kiyA, vahAn yah AtmAkI bAt chAlU ho gayI.

mumukShu- gurudev to gurudev the. sabako aise premase gale lagAte the. bachchonko, ek bAr hAth lagA de to vah digambar, sachchA digambar ho gayA, aisA lage. gurudevamen aise koI vishiShTatA thI.

samAdhAna- gurudevakI kRupA sab par thI. sab AtmAko prApta karo, aisI unakI ek hI (bAt thI). mArga yah hai, samajhamen AtA hai? sab samajho. yah unake hRudayamen thA. pravachanamen (bolate the), samajhamen AyA, samajhamen AyA. pahale to bahut samajhamen AtA hai, samajhamen AtA hai, aisA AtA thA.

mumukShu- Apane pIchhalI bAr kahA thA ki jo bhUmi yahAn AyI hai, to us bhUmimen jo sAdhanA karate honge, vah AtmA kaisA hogA? vah bAt satya hai, sau pratishat sachchI hai.

samAdhAna- .. unake gnAnamen atishayatA, unakI vANImen atishayatA, unakI bAtamen aisA thA. unakA prabhAv aisA thA.

mumukShu- abhI ye log Aye hain, holamen baiThe to.. gurudev bolate ho aisA lage. sAkShAt gurudev bolate ho aisA lagatA hai.

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samAdhAna- .. isaliye aisA hI lagatA hai. aisA bahut log kahate hain. gurudev yahAn kitane hI varSha rahe hain.

mumukShu- gurudevakI bhUmi, yah kShetra, yah sthAn...

samAdhAna- .. aise mahApuruSh jAge to aisA hI hotA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevakI koI nakal nahIn kar sakatA.

samAdhAna- nakal kahAnse kar sake? unakI vANImen atishayatA thI, vANIkA puNya bhI alag thA. tIrthankar bhagavAn jo bhaviShyamen honge, unakI vANI is bhavamen bhI alag thI, alag hI thI. ... gurudevane ekadam AtmAko samajhAyA. AtmAmen muktikA mArga hai, svAnubhUti pragaT karo, sab gurudevane mArga batAyA. svAnubhUtimen Ananda hai. ek AtmA, ek gnAyak AtmA, sab bhedabhAvonko gauN karake ek AtmAko pahachAno, aisA kahate the. sab gnAnamen Ave, lekin lakShyamen ek AtmA, akhaNDako lakShyamen lenA. sab gurudevane batAyA hai. svAnubhUtikA mArga (batAyA hai). ... barason tak yahAn rahate the aur phir vihAr karate the.

mumukShu- pUjya gAndhIjIne ... do yA tIn panktimen A jAy, parantu ek-ek vastu par vichAr karen to bahut gaharAIse vichAr kar sakate hain.

samAdhAna- .. AtA hai, mUl shAstra to itane sUkShma hai ki sulajhAnA mushkil paDe. usamen dravya-guN-paryAy, utpAd-vyay-dhrauvyakI bAten AtI hain, bahut sUkShma. usake pravachan, gurudevake bahut pravachan (hue hain). yah to Apako AsAn paDe isaliye aise...

samAdhAna- ... hindustAnamen bahut log yahAn muD gaye. bahut log yahAn lAbh lene Ate aur svayam bhI vihAr karate the, har sAl kuchh mahine jAte the.

.. chalatA hI rahatA hai, AtmAkA kar lenA vah karanA hai. gurudevane bahut kahA hai. mArga ekadam spaShTa karake batAyA hai. svayam puruShArtha kare to kahIn bhUl rahe aisA nahIn hai. isaliye gurudevane kahA hai, vahI mArga grahaN karanA hai. AtmAko pahachAnanekA hai. AtmA chaitanya gnAyakatattva sabase bhinna hai, shAshvat hai. jo deh dhAraN karatA hai, ekase dUsarA, dUsarese tIsarA, lekin AtmA to shAshvat hI hai, isaliye AtmAko grahaN kar lenA. AtmAkA Ananda, AtmAkA sukh aur AtmAke guN kaise prApta ho, vahI jIvanamen karane jaisA hai. usIke sanskAr DAlane aur bArambAr usIkA manan, chintavan karane jaisA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, svAdhyAy, vichAr, gnAyak... bArambAr bhedagnAnakA abhyAs karanA. AtmAkI svAnubhUti kaise prApta ho, yah karane jaisA hai. vahI karane jaisA hai. bAkI ananta janma-maraN kiye usamen jIv kahIn-kahIn aTak gayA hai, bAharamen thoDe shubhabhAv kiye to mainne bahut kiyA aisA mAn liyA. puNyabandha huA, ananta bAr devalokamen

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gayA, lekin bhavakA abhAv ho, vah mArga gurudevane batAyA ki tU shuddhAtmAko pahachAna. us shuddhAtmAko pahachAn lene jaisA hai. vibhAvakI jAl khaDI hai, usase svayamko bhinna karake, main chaitanya svabhAv nirvikalpa tattva hUn, use pahachAnane jaisA hai.

.. ek-ek AkAshake pradesh par ananta-ananta bAr (janma-maraN kiye hain). ananta mAtAen huyI, ananta mAtAko chhoDakar svayam AyA, svayamko chhoDakar mAtA (chalI jAtI hai), aise ananta bhav kiye. ek shAshvat AtmA hI hai ki jo sabase bhinna chaitanyatattva virAjatA hai. ananta guNase bharapUr, usamen ananta sukh aur Ananda bharA hai. vah grahaN karanA. svayam puruShArthase grahaN karanA. gnAnase grahaN karanA. gnAnakA sUkShma upayog karake, uusakI ruchi, jignAsA karake gnAnakA sUkShma upayog karake, yah main chaitanya hUn aur yah main nahIn hUn, is prakAr svayam sUkShma upayog karake grahaN karanA. shAstramen AtA hai na? pragnAse grahaN karanA, pragnAse bhinna karanA.

mumukShu- .. jisakA abhyAs kam ho, use kaise karanA?

samAdhAna- abhyAs kam ho to mUl prayojanabhUt tattvako grahaN karanA. gurudevane prayojanabhUt tattva batAye, ek AtmA grahaN karanA. yah sab bhinna hain aur main usase bhinna chaitanyatattva hUn. usamen adhik abhyAsakI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. shivabhUti munine ek bhedagnAn kiyA to unhen AtmA grahaN ho gayA. ek shabda bhI yAd nahIn rahatA thA, parantu bhAv grahaN kar liyA. gurune mAsatuSh kahA. mAruSh aur mAtuSh yAd nahIn rahA. mAsatuSh-yah chhilakA bhinna aur dAl bhinna hai, aise AtmA chaitanyatattva bhinna hai aur yah vibhAv-chhilakA bhinna hai, aise grahaN kar liyA.

mUl prayojanabhUt tattva grahaN kar le to usamen koI adhik abhyAsakI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. ek AtmA bhinna prayojanabhUt tattva hai, main chaitanyatattva gnAyak hUn, main ek abhed hUn, usamen bhedabhAv Adi gauN hai. main ek akhaNDa chaitanya vastu hUn. gnAnamen sab jAnatA hai, parantu main ek akhaNDa chaitanya hI hUn, use grahaN kara.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- saral hai, apanA svabhAv hai isaliye saral hai. anAdikA abhyAs nahIn hai aur vibhAvakA abhyAs hai, isaliye durlabh aur kaThin ho gayA hai. kyonki anAdikA vibhAvakA abhyAs ho rahA hai, isaliye svayam apaneApako bhUl gayA hai, isaliye kaThin ho gayA hai. bAkI svayamkA svabhAv hI hai, isaliye saral bhI hai aur kaThin bhI hai. kyonki anAdise svayam bAhar dauDatA hai, antar dRuShTi nahIn kI hai.

gurudevane mArga atyant saral kar diyA hai. kahIn khojane jAnA paDe yA kisIko pUchhane jAnA paDe, aisA nahIn hai. gurudevane hI sab batA diyA hai. aur gurudevakA sAkShAt

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upadesh sabane bahut bAr sunA hai. ek saral mArga kar diyA hai, mAtra svayamko puruShArtha karanA bAkI rahatA hai. jo kuchh jAnatA nahIn hai, mAtra kriyAmen paDe hain, shubhabhAvase dharma hotA hai, aisA mAnate ho, chaitanyatattvakA kyA svabhAv, koI adabhUt tattva, svAnubhUtiko samajhate nahIn ho, use to kaThin lage. gurudevane to ekadam saral kar diyA hai. mAtra svayamko puruShArtha karanA bAkI rah jAtA hai.

mumukShu- jIvan AtmAmay kar lenA chAhiye, to vah bhAv (kaisA hai)? kaise karanA?

samAdhAna- main AtmA hI hUn, yah vibhAv main nahIn hUn. main chaitanyatattva hUn, aisI pariNati pragaT kar lenI. yah bAharamen jo dikhatA hai vah main nahIn hUn. main to tattva hI bhinna hUn. AtmAmay apanA jIvan-aisI pariNati pragaT karanI chAhiye. aisI svAnubhUtipUrvakakA jIvan pragaT karanA chAhiye. AtmAmaya. aisA nahIn ho to usakA abhyAs karanA. main ek chaitanyatattva AtmA hUn. yah sab jo vibhAv dikhatA hai, yah vibhAvakA bhes merA nahIn hai, main to chaitanyatattva hUn. aisA jIvan, bArambAr sahaj pariNatirUp kar lenA.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! AtmAko kais prakArase jAnA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- AtmAko svabhAvase-lakShaNase pahachAnA jAtA hai. usakA jo lakShaN hotA hai, us lakShaNase AtmAko pahachAnA jAtA hai. aisA gnAnalakShaN AtmAkA asAdhAraN lakShaN hai. gnAnalakShaNase us dravyako pIchhAnA jAtA hai. gurudev aur sachche dev-guru-shAstra batAte hain ki AtmA gnAnasvabhAv hai. use gnAnalakShaNase pIchhAno. gnAnalakShaN asAdhAraN lakShaN hai, sabase vishiShTa lakShaN hai, usase AtmA pIchhAnA jAtA hai. vibhAv lakShaN, rAg lakShaN vah koI AtmAkA lakShaN nahIn hai. jo jAnatA hai vahI AtmA hai, jo jAnanevAlA hai vahI AtmA hai. jAnanekA lakShaNase vah pIchhAnA jAtA hai.

aise to bhItaramen ananta-ananta guN hain, ananta-ananta shaktiyAn hain. vah pahachAnanemen nahIn AtA hai, gnAnalakShaN hai vah pahachAnanemen AtA hai. isaliye gnAnalakShaNase vah pIchhAnA jAtA hai ki gnAyak hai. gnAyak pUrNa dravya svarUp gnAyak hai, usase pIchhAnA jAtA hai. gnAnalakShaNase pIchhAnanese, aisA bhedagnAn karanese, usakI svAnubhUti karanese jo bhItaramen usake ananta guN-ananta shaktiyAn hain, vah pragaT hotI hai. nirvikalpa svAnubhUtimen vah pragaT hotI hai. pahale usakA bhedagnAn hotA hai. main ek chaitanya hUn, main chaitanya svabhAv hUn. yah sab lakShaN merA nahIn hai, rAg lakShaN AkulatA lakShaN hai. main gnAnalakShaN nirAkulatA, shAnti lakShaN aisA merA lakShaN hai. aisA kShaN-kShaNamen usakA bhedagnAn (kare). usakI sahaj dashA karanese, aisA sahajarUp ho jAnese jo nirvikalpa svAnubhUti hotI hai to usamen sab anubhavamen AtA hai. usakA jo svabhAv hai, vah sab anubhavamen AtA hai. usakI

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jignAsA, usakI mahimA, usakI laganI, bArambAr tattvakA vichAr, svAdhyAy Adi sab honA chAhiye, nirantara. sukh AtmAmen hai, bAharamen nahIn hai.

mumukShu- ... jaise ki yah kramabaddha paryAy pustak hai. usake paDhanese kabhI svachchhandapanA bhI AtA hai.

samAdhAna- kramabaddha aisA samajhanA chAhiye ki puruShArthapUrvak kramabaddha hotA hai. jo kramabaddha hotA hai, vah kramabaddha aisA hotA hai ki... kramabaddha sachchA kisane jAnA? jisane gnAyakako jAnA usane kramabaddha jAnA. main gnAtA hI hUn. main parapadArthakA kuchh kar nahIn sakatA, main gnAyak-gnAtA hUn. aisI gnAtAdhArA jisako pragaT hotI hai, vah sachchA kramabaddha jAn sakatA hai. kramabaddhakA aisA nahIn samajhanA chAhiye ki puruShArtha nahIn karake svachchhanda karanA, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai.

puruShArthapUrvak kramabaddha honA chAhiye. puruShArtha (kare ki), main kaise AtmAko pahachAnUn? kaise svabhAvakI pariNati pragaT karun? svabhAvakI pariNatipUrvak kramabaddha hotA hai. puruShArtha binAkA kramabaddha nahIn hotA. usamen puruShArtha A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- puruShArthake liye ham yah sochate rahen ki jab honA hogA tab hogA.

samAdhAna- honevAlA hotA hai, parantu jisako AtmAkA kalyAN karanA hai, usako aisA honA chAhiye, main kaise puruShArtha karun? main kaise karun? aisI bhAvanA honI chAhiye. jab honevAlA hogA tab hogA, aisA jignAsuko aur jisako AtmAkA svabhAv pragaT karanA hai, usako aisI shAnti nahIn hogI. usako aisA hotA hai, main kaise AtmAko pahachAnUn? kaise puruShArtha karun? merI svabhAvakI or paryAy kaise hove? usako aise shAnti hogI.

jisakA achchhA kramabaddha hove, usako aisA puruShArtha.. puruShArtha aisI bhAvanA hotI rahatI hai. jisako nahIn karanA hai vah aisA artha le letA hai ki jab honA hogA tab hogA. lekin jisako sachchI jignAsA hai, usakA puruShArthapUrvak kramabaddha hotA hai. jisakA hotA hai, usakA puruShArthapUrvak kramabaddha hotA hai.

gnAyakako jo jAnatA hai usakA hI kramabaddha sachchA hai. jo puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai, usakA kramabaddha aisA hI hai. usamen puruShArtha sAthamen hotA hai. akelI kAlalabdhi nahIn hotI hai, sab sAthamen hote hain. usako puruShArtha sAthamen hotA hai.

mumukShu- kramabaddhakA usane sunA hai, lekin abhI gnAyak tak pahunchA nahIn hai, to usakA puruShArtha gnAyakakI or chalatA rahe, to kramabaddhamen jo honevAlA hogA vah hogA, aise gnAnakA vah kaise upayog kare?

samAdhAna- usakA upayog aise ho ki, usamen akulAhaT aur ulajhan hotI

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ho to usakA Ashray le, bAkI bhAvanA tIvra ho use usakA Ashray sahaj hI A jAtA hai. bahut AkulatA yA ulajhan hotI ho to usamen use Ashray AtA hai. bAkI jise svabhAvakI or muDanA hai, main puruShArtha kaise karun? yah pramAd kyon ho rahA hai? aisI hI usakI bhAvanA hotI hai.

muumukShu- arthAt kabhI-kabhI use akulAhaT ho jAtI hai ki svabhAv kyon prApta nahIn ho rahA hai? to us vakta kadAchit aisA Ashray le.

samAdhAna- hAn, aisA Ashray le, bAkI puruShArthakI or hI AtmArthIkA lakShya hotA hai. ... main puruShArtha karun, puruShArtha karun, usamen kramabaddha to sAthamen A jAtA hai.

... main parakA kar sakatA hUn, yah kar sakatA hUn, vah kar sakatA hUn.. svabhAvakA Ashray lenemen kramabaddhakA Ashray le to pramAdakI or usakA chalA jAnA hotA hai. AtmArthIko...

mumukShu- .. kartRutva hotA ho, to kramabaddha hotA hai, aisA karake use chhoD detA hai. samAdhAna- hAn, use chhoD detA hai. mumukShu- parantu jab svayamkI bhAvanA ho.. samAdhAna- to merA svayamkA pramAd hai. mumukShu- merA svayamkA pramAh hai aur main kaise prApta karun, aisA use utsAh... samAdhAna- utsAh rahanA chAhiye. apane doShakI or dekhatA hai.