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mumukShu- mAtAjI! main gnAnasvabhAvI hUn, to hamArA yah vibhAv pariNaman kyon hotA hai?

samAdhAna- anAdikA ho rahA hai. gnAnasvabhAv to hai. anAdikA ho to rahA hai, vibhAvakA vedan to hotA hai. aur jab ho rahA hai, use toDanA kaise? yah karanA hai, vah upAy karanA hai. ho to rahA hai anAdikA.

AtmA shuddha svabhAv dravyase hai aur paryAyamen anAdise ho rahA hai. jisako usakI AkulatA lage, dukh lage to toDanekA upAy karanA. ho to rahA hai, kyon ho rahA hai kyA? ho rahA hai. vah to dikhanemen AtA hai. paryAyamen karma aur AtmA anAdise aise hI chale Ate hain, anAdi sambandhase. dravyamen to shuddhatA hai, paryAyamen aisA ho rahA hai.

mumukShu- bhagavAn kundakundasvAmI jab sImandhar bhagavAnake pAs gaye, us vakta kyA ApakI AtmA vahAn thI?

samAdhAna- sab log bahut pUchhane Ate hain to mujhe bahut pravRutti ho jAtI hai.

mumukShu- hamArA to kabhI.. bAharase Aye hain ham loga.

samAdhAna- gurudevane bahut batAyA hai, gurudevane to bahut batAyA hai. gurudev kahate the, ham sab the, aisA gurudev kahate the. gurudev svayam kahate the. ham sab the, aisA kahate the.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- aisA usako rAg thA. samyagdRuShTi the, lekin unako vItarAgatA nahIn huyI thI. vItarAgatA pUrNa nahIn huyI. chAritradashA, svarUpamen lInatA aisI visheSh nahIn huyI thI. rAg thA nA, rAg thA isaliye rAgake kAraN aisA huA. rAgake kAraNase aisA hotA hai. bhItaramen jAnate hain, bhedagnAn hai, yah sab bhinna hai. yah merA svabhAv nahIn hai, aisA jAnatA hai, to bhI rAg aisA kArya karatA hai ki rAgake kAraNase lakShmaNakA rAg nahIn chhUTatA hai, isaliye usako lekar phirate haiain. main isako chhoD nahIn sakatA. lakShmaNako main kaise chhoD dUn? vah rAg nahIn chhoD sakate. bhItaramen mAnate bhI the ki

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isamen jIv nahIn hai, to bhI usakA rAg nahIn chhUTatA thA, isaliye phirate the.

balabhadra the nA, vAsudev the. isaliye usakA rAg, bhAIke Upar aisA bahut rAg hotA hai, isaliye chhoD nahIn sakate the. bAdamen jab rAg (khatma) ho gayA, bAdamen hotA hai, bAdamen palaT jAte hain. rAg nahIn chhUTatA hai. bhedagnAn honepar bhI rAg nahIn chhUTatA hai. jAnate hain to bhI rAg nahIn chhUTatA hai. isaliye phirate hain.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! kramabaddha paryAy jo nikalatI hai, vah shuddha-shuddha nikalatI hai yA shuddha aur ashuddha donon nikalatI hai?

samAdhAna- shuddha aur ashuddha donon kramabaddha hI hotI hai, parantu apane puruShArthakI or dRuShTi rakhanI chAhiye. puruShArtha usamen sAthamen rahatA hai. apanI kamajorIse ashuddha hotA hai, puruShArtha kare tab shuddhakI paryAy hotI hai. vah sAthamen kramabaddha chalatA hai. puruShArthake sAthamen kramabaddha lenA chAhiye.

mumukShu- hamArI jo paryAy nikalatI hai, andarase jo paryAy nikalatI hai, vah shuddha nikalatI hai yA shuddha-ashuddha donon nikalatI hai? bAhar Akar ashuddha ho jAtI hai yA andarase ashuddha AtI hai?

samAdhAna- andarase ashuddha hotI nahIn. ashuddha to karmakA nimitta hai, isaliye us or dRuShTi karatA hai, isaliye ashuddha hotI hai. dravya to shuddha hai. ... hotA hai, jab vah nimitta hotA hai, tab usakA lAl-pIlA pariNaman hotA hai. sphaTikamen bhItaramense lAl nahIn AtA hai.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- sphaTikamen to nirmal paryAy hotI hai. sphaTik to saphed hai. usamen jab lAl dikhatA hai, vah nimittake kAraN, upAdAn apanA, lAl hotA hai vah sphaTikakA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai. vah mUl svabhAv nahIn hai. pariNaman sphaTikakA hai, lAl jo hotA hai vah usakA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai, vah vibhAvaparyAy hai. isaliye usakA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai, bhItaramense lAl rang nahIn AtA hai. paryAyakA palaTan hotA hai. nimitta sAthamen rahatA hai.

mumukShu- .. bhAv bhI hai, parantu TikatA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- apanI mandatA hai. nahIn TikatA hai, usamen bhI apanA kAraN hai. apane pramAdake kAraN TikatA nahIn hai. svayam puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. nahIn TikanekA kAraN svayamkA hI hai. pramAd apanA hai. bhedagnAn nahIn honekA kAraN apanA hai. anAdi kAlase nahIn karatA hai isaliye nahIn hotA hai. svayam kare to hotA hai. apanI kShati hai. lakShya ho to bhI puruShArtha karanekA bAkI rahatA hai. yathArtha lakShya, yathArtha gnAyakakI pratitI,

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bhedagnAn sabakA puruShArtha svayamko karanekA hai. lakShya ho, vichAr kiyA ki satya yahI hai, parantu us prakArakA puruShArtha karanA usakI kShati hotI hai. vah kShati hai, vaisI svayamkI kShati hai. kShati hai.

mumukShu- gnAnalakShaN dvArA dikhatA hai, gnAt hotA hai, vedanamen AtA hai. to us vedanamen yah jo gnAt hotA hai, usakA main jAnanevAlA hUn. is prakArase usakA avalokan karake us or moD lenA. yah jo chIj jAnanemen AtI hai, us chIjako jAnanevAlA main hUn, is prakAr apanA avalokan shaktiko us or moDanI paDatI hai ki usake khyAlamen sIdhA A jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- yah jAnanemen AtA hai, use jAnanevAlA main, aise nahIn, main svayam jAnanevAlA hUn. svayam jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn. yah bAharakA gnAt ho use jAnanevAlA main, aise nahIn. main svayam jAnanevAlA hUn. ab tak bachapanase lekar abhI tak jo-jo bhAv Aye, usako svayam jAnanevAlA (hUn), vah jAnanevAlA vaisA hI hai. vah sab paryAyen chalI gayI, sab sankalpa-vikalpa chale gaye to bhI jAnanevAlA to vaisA hI hai. jAnanevAlA svayam sab lakShyamen le sakatA hai.

gurudevake pAs kyA sunA? kyA jignAsA, kyA bhAvanA (thI)? vah sab jAnanevAlA to jAnanevAlA hI hai. svayam jo jAnanevAlA hai, vah jAnanevAlA main hUn. yah gnAt hotA hai vah main, aise nahIn. svayam jAnanevAlA svayam gnAyak svatasiddha merI shakti jAnanekI anAdiananta hai. gneyako jAnatA hUn, isaliye jAnanevAlA, aise nahIn. main svayam jAnanevAlA hI hUn. svayam jAnanevAlA chaitanyashakti, merI svayam jAnanekI shakti hai, svayam jAnanevAlA hUn. aise gnAnalakShaNase svayamko (pahachAnanA). ek gnAnalakShaN dvArA pUrA gnAyak pakaD letA hai. gnAnalakShaNase ek guN jAnatA hai, aisA nahIn, parantu svayam gnAyak hUn. svayam pUrNa jAnanevAlA dravya, main jAnanevAlA hI hUn.

mumukShu- vah svayam gnAnadashA parase yah svayam meremense utpanna huyI hai aur main aisI vastu hUn, vahAn tak usakA gnAn chalA jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- vahAn chalA jAtA hai. main svayam gnAyak vastu hI hUn. ek jAnanevAlA akhaNDa gnAyak jAnanevAlA hI hUn.

mumukShu- gnAnalakShaNase gnAt hotA hai, phir dUsare jo lakShaN kahanemen Ate hain ki main Anandamay hUn, main nirvikalpa hUn, akhaNDa hUn, main dhruv hUn, paripUrNa hUn, to yah sab lakShaN use kab pramANarUpase khyAlamen Ate hain?

samAdhAna- gnAyakalakShaN tattva hUn. jo tattva ho, vah pUrNa hI hotA hai. tattva aisA koI adhUrA nahIn hotA. main paripUrNa hUn. usamen use sab sAthamen samajhamen A jAtA

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hai. jo svayam sukhako ichchhatA hai, vah sukh kahIn bAhar nahIn hai. sukhasvarUp main hUn. yah sab use A jAtA hai. main sukhasvarUp hUn, shAntisvarUp hUn. yah vikalpa hai vah sab AkulatA hai. main nirvikalpa tattva hUn.

jo shAstramen kahA hai, aise nahIn, apitu main svayam nirvikalpa tattva hUn. vikalpa binAkI jo shAnti ho, is vikalpakI jAlamen AkulatA hai, sab AkulatAse bhinna main gnAyak hUn. AkulatA binA nirAkulasvarUp aise nahIn, parantu mujhamen Ananda guN hai. Ananda guN use dikhAI nahIn detA. vah to use amuk prakArase nakkI karatA hai. gnAnalakShaN aisA hai ki vah use grahaN ho sakatA hai. isaliye AtmAko gnAnase jAnanA, aisA kahanekA kAraN vahI hai. Ananda use dikhAI nahIn detA. AkulatA binAkA main nirAkul, aisA use grahaN ho sakatA hai. parantu main Ananda lakShaN hUn, vah Ananda use dikhatA nahIn. to bhI vah amuk prakArase yathArtha pramANase, yathArtha gnAnase jAn sakatA hai. sachche gnAnase nakkI kar sakatA hai. parantu gnAnalakShaN to aisA hai ki usake anubhavamen A sake aisA hai. anubhav yAnI svAnubhUtikA anubhav nahIn, parantu gnAnalakShaN use gnAt ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- use prasiddha hai. apane vedanamen..

samAdhAna- gnAnalakShaN vedanamen prasiddha hai aur Ananda use vedanamen us vakta anubhavamen nahIn AtA hai. lekin amuk prakArakI yuktiyonse nakkI (karatA hai). lekin vah aisA nakkI kar sakatA hai ki usamen pharka nahIn paDatA. aisA vah nakkI kar sakatA hai. main paripUrNa hUn, vah sab yukti dvArA, sarva prakArase nakkI kar sakatA hai. jo vastu ho, vah svatasiddha (hotI hai), vah adhUrI hotI nahIn. usakA kabhI nAsh ho to use vastu hI nahIn kahate. vastu ho vah paripUrNa gnAnalakShaNase bharapUr hai. usakA kabhI ghAt nahIn hotA. to use vastu kahen? yadi vastukA nAsh hotA ho to. pUrNa na ho vah vastu hI nahIn hai. yathArtha prakArase nakkI kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- jahAn gnAnamay hUn, aisA bhAv khyAlamen Aye to sAthamen use apanI akhaNDatA, paripUrNatA Adi sab..

samAdhAna- vah sab yuktise nakkI kare, sachchI pratIt kar sakatA hai. lekin mukhya usamen gnAn hai. vah use prasiddhimen AtA hai.

mumukShu- jise anubhav ho gayA, use bhI jab-jab puna nirvikalpatA utpanna hotI hai, us vakta bhI usI lakShaNase phirase hotA hogA? yA usamense koI bhI lakShaN dvArA (anubhav hotA hai)?

samAdhAna- vah to gnAyakakA astitva grahaN kiyA, vah to use sahaj hai. use koI vichArakI kalpanA nahIn karanI paDatI ki main Ananda hUn yA akhaNDa hUn. use

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to jo apanA gnAyak astitva grahaN kiyA so kiyA hai. use sahaj dhArArUp hai. use sahaj bhedagnAnakI dhArAmen sahaj gnAtAkI dhArA vartatI hai. usamense use nirvikalpa svAnubhUtikI dashA sahaj pariNatirUp hotI hai. aur usakI gnAyakakI dhArA aise hI sahaj (chalatI hai). use vikalpase raTanA nahIn paDatA ki main yah gnAyak hUn yA Ananda hUn yA paripUrNa hUn, vah to use gnAyakakI dhArA vedanarUp usakI amuk dashA anusAr pariNamatA hai, usamen sahaj rahatA hai. use raTan nahIn karanA paDatA.

mumukShu- usakI samvedanashaktimen hI vah sab gnAt hone lagatA hai athavA vedan hone lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vedan hone lagatA hai. svAnubhUtikA Ananda vah ek alag bAt hai, parantu usakI bIchavAlI dashAmen savikalpatAmen bhI use vedanamen gnAyakakA vedan amuk anshamen rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- .. unhen to shrutakI labdhi (thI). shrutakevalI koI dUsarI apekShAse gurudevako kahA thA.

mumukShu- shrutakA bhAv..

samAdhAna- shrutakA bhAv pragaT huA. samyagdarshanapUrvak unhen shrutakI visheShatA thI. us apekShAse. .. shrutakevalI vah to unhen amuk prakArakA shrut...

samAdhAna- .. gurudevakA jitanA karen utanA kam hI hai. bhaktonko jo bhAv Ate hain, vah gurudevako kahate hain. unhen shrutakI labdhi koI apUrva thI. bhAvase shrutakevalI kahate hain. bhadrabAhU shrutakevalI the vah dUsarI apekShA hai. gurudevamen to koI atishayatAyukta shrutagnAn thA. tIrthankarakA dravya thA to unakA prabhAvanA uday alag thA, unakI vANI atishayatAyukta thI, unakA AtmA alag thA, sab alag thA. gurudevako jitanI upamA den, utanI kam hI hain. bhadrabAhusvAmI..

mumukShu- naumvI gAthAmen paribhAShA karate hain, shrutase jo AtmAko jAne...

samAdhAna- unakI shrutagnAnakI dhArA... hajAron jIvonko .. kiyA.

mumukShu- .. usakI paribhAShA karate samay kahA thA ki, jo bhAvashrutagnAnase keval AtmAkA anubhav kare vah shrutakevalI hai. aisA RuShishvaro tathA tIrthankaronne ghoShaNA kI hai. aur aise pravachanasArakI 33vIn gAthA. isase yah siddha hotA hai ki svAnubhUti pariNat param pUjya gurudev tathA pUjya bahinashrI, svayamke bhAvashrutagnAnase keval AtmAnubhavayukta honese ham mumukShu samAjake mahAn upakArI donon mahAtmA shrutakevalI hain. kyonki RuShishvaronnen unhen shrutakevalI kahA hai.

mumukShu- sogAnIjIke bAd pravAh kuchh manda ho gayA hai, aisA lagatA hai. kAlakA

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kAraN hogA?

samAdhAna- koI pravAh manda nahIn paDA hai. gurudevake pratApase pravAh chalatA hI hai. kuchh manda nahIn paDA. gurudevakA prabhAv chAron or vartatA hai. AtmA kaise prApta ho? AtmA kaise prApta ho? pUre hindustAnamen ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- abhI to aur bhI baDhegA.

samAdhAna- kuchh manda nahIn huA hai. gurudevakA prabhAv chAron or gunj rahA hai. gurudevane kitane jIvonko jAgRut kar diye hain.

mumukShu- .. mandatA nahIn AyI hai, parantu prAptimen mandatA A gayI. samAdhAna- kuchh mandatA nahIn AyI hai. AtmAkI or hI kaise prApta ho? kaise prApta ho? kitane hI jIv jAgRut ho gaye hain. kriyAmen dharma mAnate the, to ab AtmA.. AtmA.. chAron or hindIbhAShI kShetramen sab or ho gayA hai. adhyAtmakA prem chAron or ho gayA hai.