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mumukShu- mAtAjI! ... aur barAbar baiThatA nahIn thA, kyonki donon virodhAbhAsI dikhatA thA. darshanase milAn karanekA AtA nahIn thA. kyonki yah gnAnaguNakI paryAy, ... usake avibhAg pratichchhed, yA guN-paryAy svatantrapane pariName, phir bhI dravyake Ashray binA paryAy hotI hai... ek apekShAse to dravya hI kartA, karma,..

samAdhAna- hAn, dravya hI kartA-kartA (hai). dravyake Ashrayase (hotI hai). ... kahIn khInchA jAtA ho, aise vajan denemen AtA hai. apekShA to yahAn gurudev jo kahate the, vah sabako barasonse khyAlamen hai ki gurudev nishchay mukhya rakhakar vyavahAr kahate the yah sabane grahaN kiyA hai. parantu gurudev vyavahArako nikAl deneko nahIn kahate the. barasonse sunA hai isaliye us prakArakA sabako khyAl hai. ... usakI pakkaD nahIn karanI, vaise paryAyako nikAl nahIn denA tathApi paryAy par dRuShTi nahIn karanI. aise gurudevakA Ashay vah thA.

... to svayam us bAt par bhI uchhal paDate aur nishchayakI bAt Aye to usamen bhI. isaliye gurudevake (pravachanamen) dononkI sandhi hai. unakA us prakArakA vartan, pariNaman hI aisA thA. niShedh kare, use karanA kyA bAkI rahA? dRuShTi usakI nahIn hotI, parantu bhAvanA Aye, sab bIchamen Aye. us par vajan nahIn denA hai.

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mumukShu- ...yah paryAy is dravyakI aur yah paryAy is guNakI hai. sab paryAy svatantrarUpase pariNamatI hai. ab Apake shabda grahaN kiye the, vAstavamen to paryAy svatantra hai... yah puruShArtha karanemen aisI bhAvanA ho ki main aisA karun, aisA karun. to yadi donon ek na ho athavA dravyakA Ashray na ho to... aise shabdommen rahA ki ye svarUpase bhinna hai, vastu bhI vah hai. parantu bhAvamen kahAn alag paD jAtA hai, vah antaramen khyAlamen nahIn AtA.

samAdhAna- dravya kUTastha hone par bhI use pAriNAmik bhI kahanemen AtA hai. isaliye akhaNDamen aise AtA hai. phir bhI paryAy pariName to bhI vah dravyakI shaktiyAn hain, dravyamense pariNamatI hai. sab paryAy pragaT hotI hai vah dravyamense pragaT hotI hai. dravyase bAhar nahIn hai. dravyakI shuddhi, dravyakI nirmalatA aur dravyadRuShTimense pragaT hotI hai. phir usakI jo tAratamyatA pragaT hotI hai vah sab svatantra pragaT hotA hai. vah svayam....

...dravyake svabhAvamense ... pariNamatI hai. .. kuchh log aisA mAnate hain. jaise dravya svatantra hai, vaise paryAy (svatantra nahIn hai). svatantratA utanI ki paryAy pariNamanevAlI hai, ek kShaNakA sat... dravya jo akhaNDa sAmarthyase bharA huA, paripUrNa sAmarthyase bharA huA, paryAy kahAn vaisI hai. jitanA sAmarthya dravyamen, utanA sAmarthya paryAyamen kahAn hai. paryAy to dravyamen hai. mujhe vah yAd nahIn AyA. ... koI khInchatA ho to use prayojanavashAt kahanA paDe ki isakA aisA hai. koI kuchh khInchatA hai. nahIn hai, paryAy sarvathA nahIn hai, paryAy hai hI nahIn, aisA thoDA hI hai. aisA nahIn hai. vyavahAr nahIn hai, paryAy nahIn hai... ... paryAy svatantra hai, jab pariNamanA hogA tab pariNamegI. svayamke kuchh hotA nahIn. paryAyake sab kArak svatantra hain. ek guN dUsare guNakI paryAyako kar sakatA nahIn. dravya bhinna, paryAy bhinna, sabake kArak svatantra. bhAvanA kare, puruShArtha kare to kaun rahe? balaguN hai vah use kar sakatA nahIn. to phir bhAvanA kisake AdhArase? kaun kisakA nimitta ho aur upAdAn rahe? kuchh nahIn hogA. ... guN bhinna, paryAy bhinna, dravya bhinna, sab bhinna. kisIko kisIkA Ashray hI nahIn hai. Ashray mAtra bolane tak simIt rah jAtA hai. phir andar kyA samajhatA hai, vah kuchh nahIn rahatA. Ashray hai, Ashray hai kahane par bhI TUkaDe-TUkaDe mAn letA hai. gurudev svatantratA kahate the, parantu aise TUkaDe thoDe hI kahate the.

... paryAy hai, svatantra to vah svayam tak simIt hai. dravya to ek vastu hai. paryAy to kShaN-kShaNamen hotI hai. dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. svayam svatantra hai, usakI tAratamyatA hotI hai vah svatantra, us prakArase svatantra hai. parantu usakA pUrA sAmarthya dravyamen bharA hai. dravyake Ashrayase honevAlI hai. aisA kahanemen Ay, ... sab svatantra hai. to bhI dravya

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pariNamatA hai. abhed lene jAy to dravya pariNamatA (hai).

.. ananta-ananta ... pariName to bhI khatma nahIn hotA aise sAmarthyase paripUrNa hai, isaliye paryAy aise hI pariNamatI rahatI hai. paryAy Uparase hotI hai? dravyake sAmarthyamen ananta-ananta shakti (bharI hai). chAhe jitanI paryAy pariNamo, ananta kAl jAy to bhI dravya vaisAkA vaisA hai. usamen kuchh kam nahIn hotA. aisI shaktise bharapUr sAmarthyayukta dravya hai, usamense paryAy AtI hai. use dravyakA Ashray hai. vah kShaNik hai. pariNamanevAlI, usamen-paryAyamen pariNamanekI shakti hai. paryAy svatantra pariName. usakA sampradAn svatantra, usakA apAdAn, usakA adhikaraN (svatantra). us apekShAse paryAy svatantra (kahA). isaliye use dravyakA Ashray nahIn hai, aisA nahIn mAnanA. us apekShAse hai. kartA, karma, karaN (Adi). jaise dravyake ShaTakArak svatantra hai, vaise hI usake (hain), aisA nahIn mAnanA. donommen antar hai. dUsare dravyakA aur is dravyakA kartA, karma sab svatantra hain, aisI svatantratA paryAyamen hai, aisA nahIn mAnanA. aisI hI svatantratA paryAyamen nahIn hai, paryAy to kShaNik hai. dravya to ananta sAmarthyase bharA huA hai. usake ShaTakArak svatantra (AtA hai), vah alag hai.

... isaliye usakI svatantratA hai. paryAyamen utanA sAmarthya nahIn hai, vah to kShaN bharake liye pariNamatI hai, dUsare kShaNamen dUsarI paryAy AtI hai. gnAn pariNamatA hI rahe, gnAn khatma nahIn hotA. ananta kAl paryant Ananda pariNamatA hI rahe to bhI khatma nahIn hotA. dravyake sAmarthyase ... hai. sangnA, sankhyA, lakShaN, prayojanase bhed hai. vastubhed hai kyA usakA? vah to shAstramen bhI AtA hai. vastu paryAy ek bhinna dravya thoDA hI hai. dravya nahIn hai. to phir kitane dravya ho jAy? chaitanyadravya aur chaitanyakA paryAyadravya, guNadravya aisA ho jAya. jaisA dravya svatantra hai, vaisI hI jAtakI paryAy svatantra nahIn hai. svatantra kahI jAtI hai, parantu svatantra-svatantramen antar hai.

.. rAjA usakA svAmI hai. usake Ashrayamen rahanevAle sab svatantrapane kAm karate ho, parantu usakA mAlik to rAjA hai. aisI svatantratA, jo kAm karanevAle hote hain ve svatantratAse karate hon. rAjA use pUchhe bhI nahIn, kuchh nahIn, svatantrarUpase karate hon, to bhI mAlik to rAjA hI hai. rAjAkI ... hai. (dRuShTAntamen) to bhinna-bhinna dravya hain.

(yahAn siddhAntamen to) rAjA jaise chalatA ho, vaise hI paryAy chalatI hai. usakI dRuShTi dravya par jAy to aise hI paryAy chalatI hai. svayam andar svabhAvamen, svabhAvakI or jor baDh jAy to paryAy aise hI chalatI hai. vibhAvakI or jAy to vaise hI paryAy chale. mUl dravya par dRuShTi denevAlA hai, vah jaise chalatA ho vaise hI paryAyakI Dor chale, dUsare prakArase nahIn chale. vaise hI chale.

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jo dravya par dRuShTi hai, usake balamense jo chalatA hai, usI prakAr paryAy chale. dUsare prakArase chale nahIn sakatI. use Ashray dravyakA hai. vibhAvakI or dRuShTi ho to vaise hI vibhAv chale. aise dRuShTi phire to svabhAv chale. usamen yadi usakI pariNati jorase vRuddhigat ho to vaise chale. to pUrA chakra vaise chale. ek usakI dRuShTi phari aur lInatA phir to pUrA dravya, sarvaguNAnsh so samyagdarshan, pUrA chakra vaise chale. jis or dRuShTi aur pariNati, lInatA jaise chale vaise sab chale. yah is or chale to vah us or nahIn chalatA. ... paryAy dUsarI or chale aisA nahIn hotA.

.. shuddhAtmAkI shuddharUp paryAy pariName to svatantra pariName. parantu jaise dravyakI dRuShTi aur lInatA jaise chale vaise vah chale. dUsare prakArase nahIn chal sakatA. phir use alag- alag karane nahIn jAnA paDatA ki vah bhinna-bhinna (chale). ek chalA, usamen sab pariNati sarvaguNAnsh so samyagdarshan, svata ananta guNakA pariNaman shuddha hotA hai. bhinna-bhinna ananta par dRuShTi karake bhed karake nahIn karanA paDatA ki sab par alag-alag dRuShTi karake (karanA paDe). ek par dRuShTi (detA hai) isaliye pUrA chakra sulaTA (chalatA hai). usakI us paryantakI svatantratA hotI hai.

... samajhAye isaliye aisA lage ki ye bhinna kahate hain. dUsaronko biThAneke liye, dUsare lakShaN kahakar (kahate the). main dUsare prakArase kahatI hUn. .. is prakArase kahatI hUn aur ve dUsare prakArase kahate hain. unako ... karanA hotA hai, main dRuShTikI orase kahatI hUn ki dRuShTi dravyakI or muDe to sab paryAy (is or jhuk jAtI hai). paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai.

... dev-guru-shAstra nimitta hote hain, upAdAn to svayamko taiyAr karanA paDatA hai. pahale to ansh pragaT hotA hai, bAdamen pUrNatA hotI hai. pahale samyagdarshan pragaT karanA. bAharase nahIn... gnAyak AtmAkA svarUp pahachAne, bhedagnAn kare, sharIr main nahIn hUn, vibhAvaparyAy merA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhAshubh bhAv bhI merA svabhAv nahIn hai. main bhinna chaitanyadravya hUn. aisI shraddhA-pratIt karake usakI svAnubhUti kare to use samyagdarshan kahate hain. Age baDhakar kevalagnAn to bAdamen hotA hai.

svAnubhUtimen lIn hote-hote, visheSh-visheSh sthiratA hotI hai tab pancham guNasthAn, chhaThThe-sAtaven guNasthAnamen muni antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen jhulate hain, bAdamen shreNi lagAkar kevalagnAn hotA hai. shurUAt to aise hotI hai. usakI jignAsA karanA, mahimA karanA, nahIn hove tab tak usakA abhyAs karanA, ye sab karanA.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! ShaTakhaNDAgamamen AtA hai na ki matignAn kevalagnAnako bulAtA hai.

samAdhAna- matignAn bulAtA hai. mati-shrut (gnAn) jisako pragaT hotA hai to

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vah kevalagnAnako Ao.. Ao... (kahatA hai). matignAn jab Aye, matignAnakA ansh pragaT hotA hai tab kevalagnAn avashya AtA hI hai. jisako svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai,.... matignAn parasanmukh hotA thA. mati-shrut svasanmukh huA, svAnubhUti pragaT huyI to usako matignAn pragaT huA. jisako vah matignAnakA ansh pragaT huA use kevalagnAn avashya hotA hai.

anAdikAlase ughAD to hai, bAdamen jab svasanmukh hotA hai, tab use svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. svasanmukh mati-shrut (hotA hai). vikalpa TUTakar svasanmukh hotA hai to nirvikalpa svAnubhUti hotI hai. jisako svAnubhUti hotI hai, (usako) avashya kevalagnAn hotA hai. matignAn avashya kevalagnAnako bulAtA hai. usako to avashya kevalagnAn AtA hai. vah avashya AtA hai. matignAn-shrutagnAn kevalagnAnako bulAtA hai. kevalagnAnako AnA hI paDatA hai. matignAn-DorIko khinchatI hai svAnubhUti to kevalagnAn pragaT ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- AtmA pratyakSha gnAtA hI hai.

samAdhAna- pratyakSha gnAtA hai. anAdiananta gnAtA hai, parantu gnAtAkA bhAn nahIn hai. gnAyak-gnAtA jab pragaT hotA hai, gnAyakakA pariNaman samyagdarshanamen Anshik pragaT hotA hai, pUrNa pragaT hotA hai kevalagnAnamen. pratyakSha gnAtA hai.

mumukShu- atIndriy gnAnamen?

samAdhAna- atIndriy gnAnamen pratyakSha gnAtA gnAyakakA vedan hotA hai. atIndriy gnAnamen. bAdamen pUrNa atIndriy (gnAn pragaT hotA hai).

mumukShu- shrutagnAnase jo AtmAko jAne aur kevalagnAnase AtmAko jAne, usamen kyA pher hai?

samAdhAna- shrutagnAnase jAnatA hai vah svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai aur vah kevalagnAn pratyakSha hai. mati-shrutako koI apekShAse parokSha kahanemen AtA hai, parantu svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai. matignAnamen manakA thoDA abuddhipUrvak ansh rahatA hai isaliye parokSha (kahanemen AtA hai), parantu svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai. mati-shrut pratyakSha hai. kevalagnAnamen to manakA avalamban bhI nahIn hai, vah to pratyakSha gnAyak hai-pratyakSha gnAtA ho gayA. pratyakSha-parokShakA bhed paDatA hai. parantu mati-shrut svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! Ap bArambAr kahate hain ki dev-guru-shAstrakI samIpatA rakhe to andar jAnekA avakAsh hai. thoDA isake bAremen...

samAdhAna- dev-guru-shAstra jisake hRudayamen rahate hain, usakI bhAvanA rahatI hai ki muje dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya ho. kyonki jisako AtmAkI ruchi hove usako aisI bhI ruchi hotI hai ki muje gurukA sAnnidhya ho, devakA ho, shAstrakA bhI (sAnnidhya

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ho). usake shravaN-mananakI bhAvanA rahatI hai. phir sanyog bane, na bane vah bAharakI bAt hai, parantu usakI bhAvanA bahut rahatI hai ki mujhe sAnnidhya ho. kyonki jise AtmA ruche usako use sAdhanevAle par bhI Adar AtA hai. guru sAdhakadashAmen sAdhate hain aur dev pUrNa ho gaye. isaliye jisane isakI sAdhanA pragaT karI, us par usako bahut Adar rahatA hai. kyonki apanI ruchi hai to apaneko nahIn hotA hai, jisane pragaT kiyA us par bahut Adar rahatA hai. isaliye dhyey AtmAkA hai aur dev-guru-shAstrake sAnnidhyakI bhAvanA rahatI hai. main AtmAko kaise pahachAnUn? jisane pIchhAnA ho us par Adar AtA hai. jisako AtmAkI ruchi hotI hai (usako).

mumukShu- mAtAjI! AtA hai na, "seve sadaguru charaNako to pAvai sAkShAt'. mAtAjI! aisI koI tAkat do ki samyagdarshan, kevalagnAn pragaT kar sake hama.

samAdhAna- "seve sadaguru charaN' charaN (seve) lekin upAdAn apanese pragaT hotA hai. nimitta guru hote hain, upAdAn apanA hotA hai. upAdAn pragaT kare to use nimitta kahanemen AtA hai. upAdAn apaneko (taiyAr) karanA paDatA hai. charaN sevanekI bhAvanA apanI hotI hai ki main cheraN sevan karake mere AtmAko kaise pragaT karun? aise upAdAn apanA taiyAr karanA paDatA hai.

jo bhagavAnako jAnatA hai, vah apane AtmAko jAnatA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN- paryAyako jAnA, (vah) apaneko (jAnatA hai). apanekA jAnatA hai, vah bhagavAnako jAnatA hai. use bhagavAnakA kaisA dravya hai, guN hai, paryAy hai apane upAdAnase (jAnatA hai), nimittase isamen bhagavAn hote hain. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAnako jAnatA hai vah AtmAko jAnatA hai, AtmAko jAnatA hai vah bhagavAnako jAnatA hai. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. upAdAn apanA aur nimitta dev-guru hote hain.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! shrutagnAn dvArA AtmAko jAne yA arihantake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne? usamen donon barAbar yuktisangat hai.

samAdhAna- shrutagnAn dvArA..?

mumukShu- shrutagnAn dvArA AtmAko jAne yA arihantak bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne, to yahI alaukik yukti svasamvedanagnAn prApta karAtI hai?

samAdhAna- usamen A jAtA hai. jisane bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAnA usamen shrutagnAn bhI sAthamen A jAtA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAy jAne, usamen shrut apane Apase apane bhItaramen shrutagnAn pragaT hotA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAn yA shrutagnAn dvArA jAne, donon sAthamen hote hain. upAdAn apanA andaramen hotA hai aur bhagavAnakA dravya-guN-paryAy (jAnanA) sab sAthamen hotA hai. shrutagnAnase kevalI jAne, vah gnAn dvArA

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yA bhagavAn dvArA yA dev-guru-shAstra dvArA kaho yA shrutagnAn dvArA kaho. donon sAthamen hote hain.

shrutagnAn orase bAt karanemen AtI hai to shrutagnAnakI orase kahate hain. dev-gurukI orase bAt kare to dev-gurukI orase (bAt AtI hai). donon sAthamen hote hain. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne usamen shrutagnAn A jAtA hai. shrutagnAn dvArA AtmAko jAne usamen dev-guru bhI A jAte hain. donommen aisA sambandha A jAtA hai.

... koI kahanekI bAt nahIn hai. svAnubhUti to alaukik hai, AtmAkI vastu hai. AtmA hai, AtmAkI svAnubhUti (hotI hai). vibhAv to anAdi kAlamen bahut vedanamen AyA hai, svAnubhUti to vedanamen nahIn AyI hai. samyagdarshan pragaT nahIn huA hai, vah to alaukik hai. vikalpa TUTakar nirAkul AtmAkA Ananda, ananta guNase bharA AtmA, vah to koI alaukik vastu hai. svAnubhUtimen AtI hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! samyagdarshanakI pAtratA kyA honI chAhiye? samAdhAna- pAtratAmen to aisI bhAvanA hove ki main AtmAko kaise pragaT karun? main kaise AtmAko pahachAnUn? vibhAvamen chain na paDe, bAharamen kahIn chain (na paDe), bAhar upayog jAy usamen chain nahIn paDe, vibhAvamen kahIn chain na paDe. sukh aur shAnti mere bhItaramense kaise A jAy? aisI bahut bhAvanA (ho). mujhe AtmA kaise pragaT ho, aisI jignAsA, chaitanya gnAyakakI mahimA, main gnAyakako kaise pIchhAnUn, usakI mahimA, dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, bArambAr usakA abhyAs, tattva vichAr, shAstra abhyAs, usamen main AtmAko kaise pIchhAnUn? prayojanabhUt AtmA. jyAdA jAn lUn (aisA nahIn), parantu main prayojanabhUt AtmA gnAyak usako kaise pIchhAnUn? usakI bahut bhAvanA, jignAsA, laganI rahatI hai.