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samAdhAna- gurudev to mahAn ek tIrthankar jaisA kAm kiyA. vah to tIrthankarakA dravya thA. gurudevane koI apUrva mArga batAyA hai. jIv kahAn the aur kahAn rakh diye hain. koI kriyAmen aur shubhabhAvamen dharma mAnate the. usake bajAy antar dRuShTi karanekA gurudevane sIkhAyA hai.

mumukShu- bhedagnAnakA viShay kahIn sunane nahIn milatA thA. vah apane samakSha lAye.

samAdhAna- samakSha lAye, kitanA saral spaShTa kar diyA hai. jA sakate hain, devamen to jAnekI shakti hotI hai. dev to bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen jAte hain. .. jAte hain, mandirommen jAte hain, dev sab jagah jAte hain.

mumukShu- gurudevakA virah hamen satAtA hai. yahAn Ate hain, unakI gunj sunAyI detI hai, phoToke samakSha jAte hain to lagatA hai ki sinhanAd gunjatA thA.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA virah to sabako lagatA hai, parantu kuudaratake Age kahAn (chalatI hai)? aisA dravya jagatamen shAshvat rahe, shAshvat birAje aisI sabako bhAvanA ho parantu kudaratake Age koI upAy nahIn hai. sabako gurudevakA virah to lagAtA hai. gurudev to gurudev the.

mumukShu- hAn jI, mArga to ve hI darshA rahe hain.

samAdhAna- mArga to gurudev darshA rahe hain. mukhya to gurudev hI sab mArga darshA rahe hain. chAron or prachAr (huA hai).

mumukShu- adhyAtmakA pravAh chAron or pahunchA hai. gurudevakA aur ApakA mahAn upakAr hai.

samAdhAna- ... andar puruShArtha kaise karanA? sabako ek hI prashna utpanna hotA hai. bahut kahA hai, spaShTa kiyA hai. kahIn kisIko prashna utpanna ho aisA nahIn hai, itanA spaShTa kar diyA hai.

mumukShu- jab samyagdarshanakA viShay dravyadRuShTi karanemen AtI hai, tab paryAy dravyase bhinna hai, aisA kahanemen AyA. to dravya aur paryAyakI jo bhinnatA hai, is viShayamen gurudevakA kahanekA Ashay kyA hai? yah hamen vistArase samajhAiye.

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samAdhAna- dravyadRuShTikI mukhyatAmen paryAy gauN ho jAtI hai. paryAyakI dravya par jahAn dRuShTi huyI vahAn paryAy lakShyamen nahIn AtI. pUrA dravya sAmAnya jahAn lakShyamen AyA, usamen paryAy gauN hotI hai. paryAy par lakShya nahIn rahatA hai. is apekShAse paryAy aur dravya (bhinna kahanemen AtA hai). bAkI paryAy hai vah dravyakI paryAy hai. dravyase Upar- Upar nahIn hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanemen AtI hai, vahAn paryAy gauN hotI hai. aur vah paryAy par lakShya, dRuShTikA lakShya paryAy par nahIn hotA hai. dRuShTikA viShay akelA dravya hai.

mumukShu- dUsarI bAt yah kI ki, jab paryAyamen rAg hotA hai, tab rAgakI malinatA hai vah bAhar rah jAtI hai aur paryAy antarlIn hotI hai, vah paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp ho jAtI hai. to dhruv hai vah niShkriy hai aur paryAyakA jo rAg hai vah rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai aur paryAy svayam antarlIn hotI hai-bhUtakAlakI paryAy, tab paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp ho jAtI hai, is viShayamen kyA (samajhanA)?

samAdhAna- rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai arthAt vah rAg to asthiratAkA rAg hai. paryAy andar jAy to shuddha paryAy andaramen pragaT hotI hai. paryAy shuddharUp hotI hai, paryAy bAhar rah jAtI hai arthAt... jahAn bhedagnAn hotA hai, vahAn asthiratA alpa hotI hai. vah alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. bAkI bAhar rah jAy, usakA kyA artha hai?

mumukShu- paryAyamen jo rAg hotA hai vah rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai aur paryAy...

samAdhAna- paryAy paramapAriNAmikarUp huI.... dravya svayam pUrA pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hI hai. paryAy usamen lIn hotI hai arthAt pAriNAmikabhAvarUp dravya pariNamatA hai. dravyamen aisI yogyatA hotI hai. bhUt, vartamAn, bhaviShyakI paryAyako dravya kahanemen AtA hai. vah paryAyarUp nahIn, parantu pAriNAmikabhAv dravyarUp rahatA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvarUp rahatI hai. rAg andar nahIn AtA. rAg to malin paryAy hai. dravya svayam shuddhatArUp anAdiananta rahatA hai. paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp rahatA hai.

mumukShu- amuk apekShAse bhinnatA batAte hain isaliye samajhanamen thoDI ulajhan hotI hai.

samAdhAna- apekShA samajh lenI, usamen koI ulajhan nahIn hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanese muktikA mArga shurU hotA hai. muktikA mArga dravya par dRuShTi karanese shurU hotA hai aur bhedagnAn karanese muktikA (mArga shurU hotA hai). svamen ekatva aur parase vibhakta aisI chaitanyakI pariNatikI dhArA pragaT karanese muktikA mArga shurU hotA hai. shubhAshubh vikalpa so main nahIn hUn, main usase bhinna chaitanyatattva hUn. kShaNik nahIn hUn, parantu main to shAshvat dravya hUn. guNake bhed, paryAyake bhed dRuShTimen nahIn Ate, parantu gnAn sab jAnatA hai. aisA

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dRuShTi viShay karake gnAn sab jAnatA hai. pariNati svayam svakI or Dhale. vikalpa toDakar svAnubhUti ho, nirvikalpa dashA ho, muktikA mArga (pragaT hotA hai). usamen ulajhan honekA koI savAl nahIn hai. kis apekShAse hai, vah apekShA samajh lenI. usamen muktikI paryAyako bAdhA nahIn pahunchatI. apekShA samajh lenI. dRuShTiko mukhya karake, gnAnamen jAnakar paryAyakI shuddhatA pragaT karanI vahI muktikA mArga hai.

mumukShu- ... usamen asamAdhAn hotA hai. bhinna-bhinna virodhAbhAsI vachan dekhakar aisA hotA hai ki yahAn to aisA kahA hai aur isase virUddha aisA kahA, puna isase virUddha yah kahA, puna isase virUddha aisA kahA. aise virodhAbhAs...

samAdhAna- usakI apekShA samajhamen nahIn AtI hai. kis apekShAko mukhya karanI, kaun-sI apekShA gauN karanI yah samajhamen nahIn AtA, isaliye usImen rukatA hai. parantu muktikA mArga dravyadRuShTise hotA hai aur usamen paryAyakI shuddhatA pragaT karanI hai. muktike mArgamen jAnA hai aur usImen gothe khAnA, usake bajAy usakI apekShA samajh lenI. usakI ulajhanamen rahaneke bajAya.

chaitanya dravya sAmAnya tattva hai. usamen guNake bhed, paryAyake bhedako dRuShTi svIkAratI nahIn hai. gnAn sabako jAnatA hai. dravyamen ananta guN hai. gnAnamen sab hai. dravya-guN- paryAyase bharA tattva hai. use pahachAn lenA. aur dRuShTi ek sAmAnya par karanI. svamen ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta aisI bhedagnAnakI dhArA, dravya par dRuShTi karake vikalpa toDakar shubhAshubh vikalpajAlase bhinna nirvikalpa tattva hai, use pahachAnakar svAnubhUtike mArga par jAnA. phir yah apekShAbhed kyA hai, usakA vichAr karake, samajhakar samAdhAn karanA.

kisako mukhya karanA aur kisako gauN karanA, vah kyA hai? usamen ekAnta karake vastukA svarUp kyA hai, yah samajh lanA. dravya akhaNDa trikAl hai, paryAy kShaNik hai. use vah sparshatA nahIn.

mumukShu- guNabhedako bhI nahIn sparshatA, isaliye jab tak bhed hogA tab tak vikalpa uThenge.

samAdhAna- bhed par dRuShTi denese vikalpa utpanna hote hain. bhed parase dRuShTi uThA lenI. dravyamen guN hI nahIn hai, paryAy bhI nahIn hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. dravyamen guN hI na ho aur dravyamen paryAy hI na ho to akelA dravya (ho jAtA hai). to vedan kisakA? svAnubhUti kisakI? usamen ananta guN, gnAn aur Ananda kisakA? usakA vedan kisakA? use sparshatA nahIn-chhUtA nahIn, usamen kuchh hai hI nahIn to dravya akelA sAmAnya kUTastha shUnya hai, aisA artha ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- arthAt gurudevane kahI bAtakI apekShA barAbar samajhanI.

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samAdhAna- apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

mumukShu- ki kis apekShAse bAt hai?

samAdhAna- kis apekShAse hai? dRuShTikA bal batAte hain. dRuShTike balase Age baDhA jAtA hai. isaliye usamen kuchh hai hI nahIn, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. siddha bhagavAn bhI ananta guN aur ananta paryAyamen virAjate hain. unhen ananta paryAy pragaT hotI rahatI hai, samay-samayamen ananta guNakI ananta paryAyen (pragaT hotI hain). agurulaghurUp pariNamate hain. vah vastukA svabhAv hai. lekin tU us bhed par dRuShTi mat kara. guNabhedamen rukanese tU Age nahIn baDh sakegA. tU ek sAmAnya mUl vastu astitva par lakShya kar, aisA kahate hain. sab nikAl degA to tattva shUnya (ho jAyagA), aisA vastukA svarUp nahIn hai. utpAd-vyay-dhruvarUp tattva hai. utpAd-vyay-dhruv yuktan dravya. dravyakA svarUp to aisA hai.

mumukShu- dravya akelA kUTastha nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, kUTastha kis apekShAse? dravyadRuShTikI apekShAse. parantu pAriNAmikabhAvarUp dravya hai.

mumukShu- ... anubhav karanekA, phir bhI Ananda dUr kyon rahatA hai?

samAdhAna- puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai, bhAvanA hai phir bhI. jis svabhAvarUp pariNamit hokar Age baDhanA hotA hai, us prakArase jAtA nahIn hai. isaliye svayamko us rUp pariNaman karanA chAhiye, gnAyak gnAyakarUp, gnAtAkI dhArA pragaT karake, kartAbuddhi chhoDakar gnAyak gnAyakarUp pariNamit ho to Ananda pragaT hotA hai. pariNamatA nahIn hai. vibhAvakA pariNaman ekatvabuddhikA hai. AnandarUp kahAn pariNamegA? bhAvanA ho, parantu bhAvanA anusAr kArya nahIn karatA hai.

mumukShu- bAharamen hI ruk jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, bAharamen rukatA hai. bhAvanA ho, parantu us prakArakA pariNaman karanA chAhiye na.

mumukShu- yathArthatayA dekhe to utanA prayatna karatA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, prayatna nahIn karatA hai.

mumukShu- sankShepamen ek hI bAt dIjiye na, ..

samAdhAna- dravyadRuShTi pragaT karanI vaha. gnAnamen sab bhed jAnanA aur ek dravya par dRuShTi karanI. aur svamen ekatva karake, vibhakta shubhAshubh bhAvase bhinna..

mumukShu- jAnanekI bAt Apane phirase kahI, usake bajAy...

samAdhAna- main ek chaitanyatattva hUn, jAn lenA. ananta guN aur usamen ananta

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paryAy hai. phir adhik apekShAmen nahIn rukakar mUl tattvako grahaN kar lenA. astitva gnAyaka.

mumukShu- Ap aisA ek mantra dIjiye.

samAdhAna- ek gnAyakatattvako grahaN kar lenA. usamen ananta guN bhare hain. gnAyak guNonse bhinna nahIn hai. gnAyak ananta guNonse bharapUr hai. usamen AnandAdi ananta guN hain. usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. kShaN-kShaNamen bhedagnAn karake. paryAy par dRuShTi nahIn hai, parantu jAnatA to hai, paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. svAnubhUtimen paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. jAne sab, parantu dRuShTi ek dravya par hotI hai.

mumukShu- ek samayamen bahinashrI! dRuShTi dravya par aur jAnapanA, donon ek samayamen?

samAdhAna- hAn, sAthamen jAnatA hai. dRuShTi sAmAnya par hai aur gnAn sab jAnatA hai. use bhed kar-karake, pratisamay bhed karatA rahatA hai aisA nahIn, sahaj jAnatA hai. main is sva-rUp hUn aur par-rUp nahIn hUn. aisI anekAntamUrti hai ki main sva-rUp hUn aur par-rUp nahIn hUn.

... nayapakSha chhUT jAy to nirvikalpa hotA hai. phir to sahajarUp (hotA hai). dRuShTi ek Atmadravya par aur gnAn sab jAnatA hai, pramANarUp sab jAnatA hai. dRuShTi ek mukhya rahatI hai. svayam svayamko jAne. ... dhruv tattva par hai. dravyako samajhakar, dravya par dRuShTi karake bhedagnAn kare to vahI muktikA mArga hai.

mumukShu- AjakI charchAmen mujhe aisA lagatA hai ki pUrA sAr (A gayA). mumukShu- dravyadRuShTike joramen paryAyako gauN karavAneko koI bAt jorase AtI hai to ekAnta pakaDatA hai aur phir usamen aTak jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, to aisA ho jAtA hai. usamen aTakatA hai ki paryAyako abhinna mAnanI yA bhinna mAnanI? usamen aTakatA hai.

mumukShu- aisA karatA rahatA aur agnAnamen use rAstA sUjhatA nahIn hai aur khyAl nahIn AtA hai.

samAdhAna- (dravyadRuShTike) joramen vah shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. usamen bhinna yA abhinna, usake gnAnamen samajhamen A jAyagA. yathArtha pariNatimen vah A jAtA hai. usakA vedan hotA hai, usIse samajhamen AtA hai ki vah sarvathA bhinna hai. aisA usamen A jAtA hai. aur pUrA sAmAnya dravya hai aur vah nayI pragaT hotI hai aur vyay hotI hai. ata vah sarvathA bhinna bhI nahIn hai aur usakA svabhAv kShaNik hai, aisA sAthamen A jAtA hai. vah apekShA usamen sAthamen A hI jAtI hai.

dravyakI bhAnti shAshvat sAthamen nahIn hai. nayI utpanna hotI hai, vyay hotI hai. aisA

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hotA hai aur usakA vedan hotA hai. dravyakI hI vah paryAy hai parantu kShaNik hai. isaliye bhinna yA abhinna jaise gnAnakI apekShAmen samajhamen Aye aisA hai. ... paryAy hai. dravyake Ashray binA nahIn hotI hai, Upar-Upar nahIn hotI hai. dravyakA svabhAv hai, dravyakI paryAy hai. kShaNik hai, isaliye dravya sAmAnya hai usase usakA svabhAv thoDA alag hai. kShaNik hai.

mumukShu- ... koI bhI bAt kahI ho, parantu gauN karavAneke liye bAt kahI hai.

samAdhAna- gauN karaneke liye, nikAl denekI bAt nahIn hai. dRuShTike joramen nikAl dI, aisI bAt bhI Aye, parantu use samajhanA chAhiye. jaise rAg jaD hai aisA kahanemen AtA hai, parantu rAg jaD hai aisA hI mAn le to vibhAv hI nahIn hai, aisA artha ho jAy na. rAg jaD hai. vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, isaliye use jaD kahanemen AtA hai. to phir puruShArtha kis bAtakA, bilakUl jaD ho to? svayamkA svabhAv nahIn hai.

... bhinna, parantu vah dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. jaisA dravya svatantra svatasiddha hai, vaise paryAy svatasiddha dravyake Ashray binA hai, aisI usamen apekShA nahIn AtI hai. dravyake Ashrayase hI paryAy hotI hai. .. usake bhinna nahIn hai. jaise ek dravyase dUsare dravyake bhinna hai, aise ek dravyase paryAyake (kArak) us prakArase bhinna nahIn hai. use to dravyakA Ashray hai.

mumukShu- us prakArase bhinna nahIn hai.

mumukShu- hAn, maryAdA bAhar (nahIn hai). apanI-apanI maryAdA to hai.

samAdhAna- use dravyakA Ashray hai. usakA-paryAyakA svabhAv alag hai isaliye usake kArak bhinna hai, aise. dravyake Ashrayase, jaisA dravya hotA hai us jAtakI usakI paryAy hotI hai. usamen to do dravya svatantra hain, bilakUl svatantra haiain. jaise do dravya svatantra hain, vaise paryAy aur dravya us prakArase svatantra nahIn hain. jaisI dravyakI dRuShTi hotI hai, us prakArakI paryAy hotI hai. dRuShTi dravya par jAy to paryAy vaisI hotI hai.

mumukShu- .. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai.

samAdhAna- paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai. .. lekin usamen ek jAtakA nahIn hai, isaliye ek bhI bAt binA apekShAse nakkI nahIn hogI. bhinna hai? abhinna hai? bhinna hai? abhinna hai? ekAnta nahIn hai, ata vaise vah nishchit nahIn hogA, usamen apekShA AtI hai.

.. sabane bahut sunA hai. gurudev to mUsalAdhAr vANI barasA gaye hain. kahIn kisIko koI prashna na rahe, aisA chAron orase gurudevane spaShTa kiyA hai. bahut darshAyA hai. AtmAko gnAyakako pahichAnanA. sharIr aur vibhAvaparyAy usakA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhinna jAnanekA

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svabhAv hai. guNabhed, paryAyabhed parase dRuShTi uThAkar ek gnAnamen sab jAn lenA. bAkI AtmAmen lInatA karake, bhedagnAn karake, svAnubhUti pragaT karanI vahI muktikA mArga hai. svayam gnAyak gnAtAdhArA antaramense pragaT karanI. kartAbuddhi chhoDakar antarase gnAyakatA pragaT karanI, vah karanA hai. andar svabhAvamense karanA hai. kalyANarUp, hitarUp, mangalarUp sab vahI hai.

mumukShu- ekatvabuddhi kaise TUTe?

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhi prayatna karanase TUTatI hai. svamen ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta. puruShArtha karanese TUTe. anAdikA jo abhyAs hai, usase ekatvabuddhi toDanI. svabhAvase AtmAko pahichAne ki main chaitanya hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. is tarah apanA svabhAv pahichAne. AtmA gnAyak svabhAv hI hai. usakA dUsarA svabhAv nahIn hai. gnAyakatA-ananta guNase bharI gnAyakatAkA astitva grahaN kare. is tarah svayammen ekatvabuddhi kare. pariNatiko apanI or lAye. mati aur shrutase yathArtha nirNay kare. usamen dRuShTi sthApit karake, us or gnAn evan lInatA us or kare to hotA hai. puruShArtha kare to hotA hai, usakI lagan lagAye to hotA hai. bAkI anAdikA abhyAs hai. pariNati apanI or, pariNatikI dauD apanI or kare to hotA hai. pariNati dUsarI or chal rahI hai, use apanI or prayatna kare to hotA hai.

mumukShu- pariNati dUsarI or ho jAtI hai. isaliye or lAneke liye... samAdhAna- lAneke liye, bas, ek AtmAmen hI sarvasva hai, bAhar kuchh nahIn hai. sarvasva AtmAmen hai. bAharase sukhabuddhi uThAkar, sarvasva jo kuchh hai sab AtmAmen hai. AtmA koI AshcharyakArI adabhut tattva hai. usamen adabhutatA, mAhAtmya, mahimA sab usamen lAye to chhUT jAya. apanI jarUrat mahesUs ho, bas, vahI kAryakArI hai, vahI kalyANarUp hai. AtmAkA svarUp hI kalyANarUp hai aur kArya karane jaisA hai, aisA nirNay-pratIt kare to us or puruShArtha muDe binA nahIn rahatA.