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mumukShu- use pachhatAvA hotA hai, rotA hai.

samAdhAna- bahut rotA hai.

mumukShu- vah to ho gayA.

samAdhAna- bhUtakAlamen gayA. ab phirase na hove aise ArAdhanA kare. dev-guru- shAstrakI ArAdhanA hI jIvanamen karanA aur AtmAkI ArAdhanA karanA. use pachhatAvA hotA hai. jo gayA so gayA, phirase AtmAmen jAgRuti utpanna karake AtmAkI aur dev- guru-shAstrakI ArAdhanA karanA.

mumukShu- bahut virAdhanA kI.

mumukShu- mainne kahA, vah badalA jA sakegA. .... rAjashrIkA dRuShTAnta diyA thA.

samAdhAna- badal jAye to ek kShaNamen badal jAtA hai. ek kShaNamen AtmA badal jAtA hai. gurudev is panchamakAlamen tIrthankarakA dravya thA. logonko jAgRut kiye. jitanI ho sake utanI ArAdhanA, bhakti gurukI antaramen lAkar chaitanyatattvakI or muD jAnA. bas, vahI hai. usakA pashchAtAp karake phirase na ho, aisI ArAdhanA antaramen karanI.

mumukShu- gurudev rAtako svapnamen Aye the. gurudevane sambodhan kiyA. main ekadam khaDA ho gayA, sAhab! AIye, padhAriye. rAtako barAbar svapnamen Ate hain.

samAdhAna- gurudev padhAre aisA kahate hain. sambodhan kiyA. gayA so gayA, jAge tabase saberA. jab jAge tab subah hotI hai. jo bhI bhUl huyI ananta kAlamen, pIchhale ananta kAlamen bahut bhUl huI usamen vah bhUl gayI. ab ArAdhanA karanA.

mumukShu- ... Ap yAd rakho.

samAdhAna- bas, ArAdhanA karanA, ArAdhanA karanA. gayA so gayA. pahale to use bahut bhakti thI.

mumukShu- hAn, pUrA dhandhA chhoD dUn.

samAdhAna- hAn, utanI bhAvanA thI.

mumukShu- Apake bhAvako jAnchakar karanA, phir bAdamen...

samAdhAna- gurudev to kShamAke bhaNDAr, kShamAmUrti the. sabako kShamA denevAle the.

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gurudevake hRudayamen kuchh nahIn thA.

mumukShu- kShamAke bhaNDAr the. gurudevake pAs koI narma hokar Aye to gurudev kahe, ab vah bAt yAd mat karanA.

samAdhAna- hAn, aisA hI kahate, yAd mat karanA. aisA hI kahate the. pahalese sabako gurudev par bhakti thI.

mumukShu- hAn, sab bhAIonko.

samAdhAna- .. grahaN kar lenA. jo ho gayA so ho gayA. gurudev par un logonko bhakti to thI.

mumukShu- gurudevake prati to thI.

samAdhAna- gurudev prati thI.

mumukShu- gurudev bhI yAd karate the. gurudev bArambAr kahate the.

samAdhAna- .. sab yAd karanA. bIchamen ho gayA, ab phirase aisA na ho aisI ArAdhanA AtmAmen pragaT karanI. .. vichAr karate the, dilhImen sab chalatA thA. dev- guru-shAstra sharaN hai, gurudevako hRudayamen rakhanA. AtmAkI mahimA, gnAyakake panth par jAnA. gurudevakA samudra bhar jAy utanA vistAr thA. bhagavAnakI divyadhvanikA pAr nahIn hai, vaise gurudevakA ek shabda par vistAr, bahut vistAr hotA hai. kitane shAstra likhe to bhI bhaNDAr bhare hain.

karanA to ek hI hai, ek karanA hai-AtmAkA svarUp pahachAnanA. usake liye tattva vichAr, shAstra svAdhyAy Adi usake liye hai. karanA to ek hI hai. ek AtmAkA svarUp pahachAnanA. jo tattva hai, usamen svabhAv pIchhAnakar barAbar use grahaN karanA. AtmAko grahaN karanA vahI karanA hai. sharIr bhI AtmA nahIn hai, vibhAv apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhAshubh bhAvase bhI bhinna AtmA tattva koI alag hai-nyArA hai, usako pIchhAnanA. karanA to ek hI hai, dhyey to ek hI hai. usake liye vichAr Adi chalate hain. shAstra svAdhyAy sab usIke liye haiai.

ek AtmAko jAne vah sabako jAnatA hai. usake liye sab jAnanA, vichAranA, sab usake liye hai. gurudevakA vyAkhyAn sunA hai? dilhImen?

mumukShu- hAn, do daphe dilhImen sunA hai.

samAdhAna- Ap idhar nahIn Aye ho?

mumukShu- idhar nahIn Aye hain. ek daphe jayapUr Aye the. vahAn jayapUr chale gaye. vahAn rahane gaye hama.

samAdhAna- ... apane kAraNase svAnubhUti nahIn karatA hai, apane kAraNase bhedagnAn

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nahIn karatA hai.

mumukShu- hamAre liye aisA bhAv ho ki jisamen hamArA kArya ho, hamArI bhAShAmen..

samAdhAna- kaise batAye? karanA to apaneko hI paDatA hai. upAdAn to apanA taiyAr karanA paDatA hai na. apaneko karanA paDatA hai. svabhAvakI or jAnA, svabhAvakako pahachAnanA, sab apaneko karanA paDatA hai. svabhAvako grahaN karanA, gnAnako pakaDanA, gnAtAkA lakShya karanA, gnAtAkI dhArA pragaT karanA, (svamen) ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta honA, sab apaneko karanA paDatA hai. ek hI javAb hai. sab apaneko karanA paDatA hai, apanI hI kShati hai. dhairya rakhanA, utAval yA AkUlatA nahIn karanA. apanA hI kAraN hai, dUsarA kuchh kAraN nahIn hai. puruShArthakI mandatA hai, ruchi bAhar jAtI hai, abhyAs anAdikA hai vahAn chalA jAtA hai. isaliye TikatA nahIn.

pahale to yathArtha dRuShTi hotI hai. bAdamen alpa asthiratA to rahatI hai aur pUrNa vItarAgatA to bAdamen hotI hai. samyagdRuShTi gRuhasthAshramamen ho to bhedagnAnakI dhArA chalatI hai, gnAyakakI dhArA (hotI hai) to bhI alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. pUrNa vItarAg dashA bAdamen hotI hai. parantu apanI or dRuShTi karaneke liye puruShArtha ugra karanA paDatA hai. apanI dRuShTi jamAneke liye bhI ugra puruShArtha karanA paDatA hai.

mumukShu- asankhya pradeshI AtmAko kis vidhise khyAlamen Aye? kaise lakShyamen lenA ki AtmA yahI hai?

samAdhAna- asankhya pradesh par lakShya jAye yA nahIn jAye, apane svabhAvako grahaN karanA ki main gnAyak chaitanya hUn. apane astitvako grahaN karanA. apanA astitva ki main gnAyak hUn, vibhAv main nahIn hUn. main jAnanevAlA gnAyak tattva hUn. apane gnAyakamen sab hai. shAnti, sukh, Ananda saba. apane astitvako grahaN karanA. vibhAvakA astitva merA nahIn hai. vibhAvakI meremen nAsti hai, main chaitanyasvabhAv hUn. aise chaitanyake svabhAvako grahaN karanA.

.. apanA aur parakA jAnakar bhedagnAn karanA. svamen, apane svamen pariNati karanA. vibhAv orakI dRuShTi haTA denA. vah karaneke liye puruShArtha apaneko karanA paDatA hai, bArambAr karanA paDatA hai. chhUT jAy to bhI karanA paDatA hai. upayog chhUT jAtA hai to bhI karanA paDatA hai. bArambAr karate-karate hotA hai. vichAr, vAnchan aise upayog badale. to bhI dRuShTi to apanI or kaise Ave, aisA prayatna karanA. jaisI yogyatA ho, jaise puruShArtha uThe aise karanA. aise utAvalI yA ulajhanamen AnekA koI (matalab) nahIn hai. svabhAvako grahaN karanA. svabhAv kaise grahaN hove?

mumukShu- mArga pasand hai, ruchikar hai, usImen upayog khUb lagAte hain aur khUb

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samay usako dete hain, phir bhI sthiratA nahIn ho pAtI hai.

samAdhAna- samay dete hai, ... hotA hai, ruchi hotI hai phir bhI TikatA nahIn vah apanI kShatikA kAraN hai. jitanA kAraN honA chAhiye utanA kAraN nahIn milatA hai isaliye kArya nahIn hotA hai. kAraN manda, manda, manda puruShArthase ho nahIn sakatA. manda, manda, manda hotA hai to usamen TAIm de, vichAr kare, vAnchan kare, sab kare, tattvakA vichAr kare parantu svabhAvako grahaN karanA chAhiye. dhyey ek honA chAhiye-svabhAvako grahaN kare, bhedagnAn kare. aise mUl prayojanabhUt kAryako karanA chAhiye. tattva vichAr, shAstra svAdhyAyakA mUl prayojan chaitanyako grahaN karanA aur bhedagnAn karanA. apane svabhAvako grahaN karanA.

mumukShu- Ap aur gurudevane batAyA vah to sahI hai. bhUlakA patA nahIn chalatA hai, kahAn bhUl rah jAtI hai, vah nahIn (samajhamen nahIn AtA).

samAdhAna- vishvAs to aise buddhise hotA hai, parantu bhItaramen pariNati us orakI karanI chAhiye na. buddhimen nirNay to hotA hai ki gurudevane kahA hai, vah sachchA hai. vastu svarUp aisA hai, vichAr karake bhI nirNay kare ki main aisA hUn, yah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. aisA vichAr karake nirNay kare, parantu pariNatiko tanmay karanI chAhiye na. pariNati to vibhAvamen jAtI hai. nirNay karatA hai ki main yah hUn, yah hUn, yah hUn. parantu main yah nahIn hUn, aise bhedagnAnakI pariNati jabatak pragaT nahIn hotI, (tabatak) nahIn ho sakatA. pariNati pragaT honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- usIkA upAy batAIye ki pariNati apanemen kaise Aye?

samAdhAna- usakA upAy apanA puruShArtha karanA, pariNatiko palaTanekA upAy karanA. pariNati kaise palaTe vaise karanA. pariNatiko bArambAr apanI or lAnA. kShaN-kShaNamen pariNatimen vibhAvamen ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai. aise svabhAvamen ekatva honA chAhiye. jaisA nirNay hove vaisA kArya honA chAhiye. nirNay to kiyA lekin kArya aisA nahIn kiyA. kArya aisA karanA chAhiye ki jaisI ruchi ho ki main par nahIn hUn, main to sva chaitanya hUn, vibhAv main nahIn hUn. aisA nirNay to kiyA lekin ekatvabuddhi to ho rahI hai. nakkI to kiyA parantu kArya nahIn kiyA. kArya karanekA prayatna karanA.

mumukShu- yahAnkA kaN-kaN jo hai, vah gurudevakI vANIse gUnj rahA hai. aur gurudev do bAr to Ate hI hain.

samAdhAna- gurudev bolate hain. gurudev bolate ho aisA lagatA hai. kaN-kaN pAvan hai. 45 sAl tak sonagaDhamen gurudevakI nirantar vANI barasatI rahI. 45 sAl to sonagaDhamen virAje.

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mumukShu- 45 sAl chaumAse kiye gurudevane? hAn, 45 sAla.

samAdhAna- ... thoDA samay saurAShTramen ghumakar Ate the. bAdamen hindustAnamen jAne lage. pahale to bahut rahate the.

mumukShu- ye AshIrvAd do ki kShayopasham jAg jAya.

mumukShu- kShayopashamakI koI kImat nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- kam jAne usakI visheShatA nahIn hai. ruchi AtmAkI hove, prayojanabhUt gnAn hove ki main jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn, yah merA svabhAv hai, yah vibhAv hai, aise mUl prayojanabhUt tattvako jAne to utanA kShayopasham to hotA hI hai. parantu visheSh tarka, vAdavivAdamen na jA sake to usakI koI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. mUl kShayopasham aise prayojanabhUt tattvako jAn lenA. chha dravyamen main ek jIvatattvako grahaN karun. nau tattvamen ek jIvatattvako grahaN karun. apanA anAdiananta pAriNAmikabhAv, anAdi gnAyakabhAv aisI mUl vastuko grahaN karu. aur dUsarA sab gnAnamen jAnanemen AtA hai ki guNakA bhed hai, paryAy hai, guN hai, paryAy hai. aisA jAn lenA.

dRuShTi to ek AtmA par rakhanI aur gnAnamen jAn lenA ki ye guN hai, paryAy hai, sab jAn lenA. puruShArtha to apanemen karanA hai. vah vibhAv hai, shubhabhAv bhI apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. bIchamen AtA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA sab AtI hai. parantu vah apanA svabhAv to nahIn hai. shuddhAtmAko grahaN karanA aur bIchamen AtA hai, aisA shubhabhAv to AtA hai, parantu vah dukharUp hai-AkulatArUp hai. isaliye apane svabhAvako grahaN karanA. ye vibhAv hai, ye svabhAv hai, usakA bhedagnAn karanA. svamen ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhaktabuddhi, aisA jAnakar bhedagnAnakI dhArA pragaT karanA. mUl tattvako samajh lenA. jyAdA kShayopasham nahIn hove, tarka, vAdavivAd Adi samajhamen na Ave to usakI koI jarUrat nahIn hai. mUl vastuko (jAn lenA).

gnAyakakI dhArA kaise pragaT hove? vikalpa TUTakar svAnubhUti kaise pragaT hove? vahI jIvanakA kartavya hai. usakA bArambAr abhyAs karanA, vahI karanA hai. ek kalyANarUp, mangalarUp gnAyak svabhAv hai, usako grahaN karanA. ... baDhate-baDhate bhItaramen svAnubhUti baDhakar munidashA AtI hai, vah sab svAnubhUtikA pratAp hai, usake kAraNase AtI hai. usamen kevalagnAn (hotA hai). svAnubhUti pragaT honese hotA hai. mukhya to samyagdarshan hai. anAdi kAlamen jIvane samyagdarshan nahIn pragaT kiyA. shAstramen AtA hai ki jinavar svAmI aur samyagdarshan prApta nahIn hue. jinavar svAmI mile to sahI parantu svayamne grahaN nahIn kiyA-pahachAnA nahIn. aur samyagdarshan to pragaT hI nahIn huA hai. usako pragaT karanekA puruShArtha karanA, vahI jIvanakA kartavya hai.

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mumukShu- samyagdarshan hI mUl hai.

samAdhAna- mUl samyagdarshan, mUl samyagdarshan hai. ... Ananda hai, svAnubhUtimen sab hai. ananta guN svAnubhUtimen hain. ananta Ruddhi svAnubhUtimen hai, AtmAmen sab hai.

... usamense sab pragaT hotA hai. Uparase grahaN kare to kuchh pragaT nahIn hotA. vah to tal-svabhAvako grahaN kare to usamense svabhAvamense svabhAvaparyAy Aye. svabhAvamen jAye to svabhAvamense svabhAvaparyAy pragaT hotI hai. andaramen jAye to svabhAvamense svabhAvaparyAy pragaT hotI hai. vibhAvakI or dRuShTi hai to vibhAvaparyAy hotI hai. dRuShTi viparIt hai to dRuShTimen sab UlaTA hI AtA hai. sulaTI dRuShTi hokar svabhAvakI or dRuShTi jAy, svabhAvakI pariNati ho to svabhAvaparyAy hotI hai. to pariNati palaTe, pariNati palaT jAya. yadi svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to pariNati palaTatI hai. shuddhAtmA par dRuShTi jAy to shuddhaparyAy pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- ... svabhAvamense paryAy AyI, aise kahanA hai?

samAdhAna- ... nahIn, jaisA svabhAv hai vaisI dRuShTi ho. paryAy pragaT hotI hai vahI ek dashA hai. dashA kaho yA paryAy kaho. svabhAv par dRuShTi jAye to us jAtikI dashA hotI hai. jaise dRuShTi vaisI usakI dashA hai. dRuShTi anusAr sRuShTi, aisA gurudev kahate the. jaisI dRuShTi ho vaisI usakI sRuShTikI rachanA hotI hai. jais or dRuShTikI pariNati huI, svabhAvakI or dRuShTi gayI, svabhAvakI or (huyI) to us jAtikI sRuShTi use svabhAvakI hI rachanA hotI hai. svabhAvakI or gayA to svabhAvakI rachanA hotI hai aur vibhAvakI or jAy to vibhAvakI rachanA hotI hai. dashA bhI vaisI (hotI hai), jaisI dRuShTi vaisI dashA hotI hai.

gnAyak par dRuShTi gayI to gnAyakarUp pariNamit huA, gnAyakakI dhArA huyI. vikalpase rahit AtmA hai, aisI dRuShTi huI, vaisI dhArA usane pragaT kI to vikalpa TUTakar nirvikalpa dashA huyI. jaisI dRuShTi usane grahaN kI, vaisI usakI dashA hotI hai. dashA kaho yA paryAy kaho, sab ek hI hai.

mumukShu- svabhAvakI dRuShTi karanI yAnI kyA?

samAdhAna- svabhAv par dRuShTi, svabhAvakI or dRuShTi. dRuShTi, jo apanA chaitanyakA svabhAv hai ki main gnAyakarUp chaitanya hUn, us gnAyakakA astitva grahaN karake us par dRuShTiko sthir kar denA ki main yah chaitanya hI hUn. main ye vibhAv nahIn hUn, parantu main chaitanyadravya chaitanya sAmAnya tattva so main hUn. usamen guNake bhed, paryAyake bhed gauN ho jAte hain, jahAn dRuShTi ek abhed par gayI to. svabhAv par dRuShTi gayI, chaitanya par dRuShTi gayI, vahAn dRuShTi jam gayI. dRuShTi use hI lakShyamen letI hai ki main yah chaitanya hUn, chaitanya

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hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. ye sharIrAdi, ye vibhAvakI pariNati, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. parantu main chaitanya hUn. main chaitanya hUn, aisI dRuShTi pragaT hotI hai. dRuShTi kaho, pratIt kaho. usakI dishA badal gayI hai. dRuShTi svayam chaitanya par thambh gayI hai. main chaitanya hUn, chaitanya hUn, main gnAyak hI hUn, anya kuchh nahIn. antaramense aisI dRuShTi pragaT ho jAtI hai. aur aisI dRuShTi huyI to pariNati us or jAtI hai ki main gnAyak hI hUn, aisI dhArA pragaT ho. aisI yathArtha pariNati ho to use nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai. vah usakA kAraN aur kArya AtA hai svAnubhUti. yathArtha kAraN pragaT ho, yathArtha dRuShTi pragaT ho to svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai.