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samAdhAna- ... dRuShTi uThAkar aur dRuShTi ek chaitanya par sthApit karane jaisA hai. use sthApit karake usakI dRuShTi kI, us or gnAn aur pariNati sab us or moDakar vah karanA hai. buddhimen grahaN karake bhI antar pariNati palaTanekI jarUrat hai. gurudevane yah kahA hai.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! Ap kahate ho ki sabase bhinna AtmA hai, dRuShTi us par karanI, vah sab to thiyarI huyI, bAt huyI, parantu dRuShTi andar le jAte hain, parantu pakaDamen kyon nahIn AtA hai? Ap, grahaN karanA aisA kahate ho, parantu grahaN kyon nahIn hotA hai? use kaise grahaN karanA?

samAdhAna- buddhimen grahaN kiyA, parantu antaramen usakA svabhAv pahachAnakar grahaN karanA.

mumukShu- svabhAvako pahichAnA ki terA svabhAv to shuddha hai, paripUrNa hai, ek hai, akhaNDa hai, nitya hai. aur dravyakarma, bhAvakarma, nokarmase tU to trikAl rahit hai, aisA shuddha paramAtmatattva antaramen virAjamAn hai. use vichAradhArAmen lete hain, gnAnadhArAmen lete hain, shraddhAkI dhArA bhI moDakar ham usI tattvako pakaDanekI mahenat karate hain. ekAntamen baiThakar, dhyAnamen baiThakar us chIjako pakaDaneke liye (prayAs karate hain), phir bhI vah chIj pakaDamen nahIn Aye aur ek vikalpa, paryAy aur dravyake bIch avarodharUp rahA karatA hai, us vikalpako chhedakar paryAy dravyako kaise aur kab grahaN kare? us vikalpako kaise chir de, ye batAiye.

samAdhAna- vikalpakA bhed karanA. chaitanyakI or usakI pariNatikA jor Aye, dRuShTikA jor Aye aur usIkI or usIkI tamannA lage, usakI lagan lage, vikalpamen AkulatA lage, chain paDe nahIn aur us or dRuShTikA jor ho, pariNatikI dauD lage, puruShArthakA bal ho to us or jAya. jabatak bAharamen ekatvabuddhimen akaTatA hai, bhale buddhimen grahaN kare parantu ekatvabuddhimen aTake tabatak vah TUTatA nahIn. apane svabhAvakA jor ho to vah TUTe aisA hai.

mumukShu- jor pragaT karanekI koshiSh, usakI mahenat karate hain, ekatvabuddhi toDakar

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jahAn kabhI ekatvabuddhi huyI nahIn, vahAn ekatvabuddhi karanekA prayatna karate hai. yahI rIt hai, yahI mArga hai, isI dishAmen terI gnAnakI pariNatiko andaramen jor de. pariNati par lakShya mat rakh, pariNatike viShay par lakShya rakhakar Age baDhe, sab thiyarI to aisI pakkI samajhamen A gayI hai. us dishAmen mahenat..

samAdhAna- vah thiyarI to gurudevane itanI spaShTa kar dI hai ki kahIn bhUl na ho. bAharase chhuDAkar sabako antaramen pahunchAyA hai.

mumukShu- barAbar hai, sabako pahunchAyA hai. us sthitimen to sabako le Aye hain. lekin sab jIv ek jagah aTake hain. kahAn.. vah vikalpakA paradA, vikalpa bhI kare ki main to gnAyakamAtra hUn, dUsarA koI vikalpa nahIn. rang, rAg, bhedase main to sadA bhinna hUn. parantu main to ek gnAyakabhAv hUn. aisA vikalpa, main gnAyakabhAv hUn, aisA nishchayanayakA pakSha, aisA nishchayanayakA vikalpa, us vikalpako toDakar nirvikalpa anubhUtimen jAnA, utanI hI der hai, lekin bahut samay lagatA hai. kyon jAyA nahIn jAtA, yah prashna hotA hai.

samAdhAna- vah svayamke puruShArthakI kamajorI hai. dUsarA koI kAraN nahIn hai. pragnAchhainI jorase vahAn paTakanI vahI karanA hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArAkA bal, gnAtAdhArAkI ugratA karanI ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, us gnAtAdhArAkI ugratA ho, kShaN-kShaNamen usakI ugratA, ek bAr karanese nahIn hotA. kShaN-kShaNamen, kShaN-kShaNamen chalate-phirate, khAte-pIte, uThate- baiThate, nidrAmen, svapnamen main gnAyak hUn, utanI bhedagnAnakI gnAtAdhArAkI antaramen ugratA kare to use vikalpa TUTatA hai. jise hotA hai use antarmuhUrtamen hotA hai, na ho vah aisA abhyAs nirantar kare to use vikalpa TUTanekA prasang Aye. ek-do bAr kare aur vikalpa TUTe (aisI apekShA rakhe to) aise to hotA nahIn, use nirantar usakA abhyAs karanA chAhiye. yah merA svaghar, mere gharakI prIti, gnAyak gnAtA.. gnAtA.. gnAtA... vah gnAtA hI apanI pariNatimen gUnth jAnA chAhiye. sharIr aur vikalpakI jaise ekamek ghaTamAl ho gayI hai, vaise andar AtmAkA ghuTan ho jAnA chAhiye.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! Apane yah kitane sAl ghuTan karake prApta kiyA? sAmAnya samay (pUchhatA hUn), milAn ho sake isaliye.

samAdhAna- vah to antarakI ugratA ho to thoDA samay bhI lage.

mumukShu- Apako to ugra hai. to ugratAmen Apako kitanA samay lagA thA?

samAdhAna- vah to chha mahinemen bhI ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- aise nahIn, ApakI bAt kIjiye. do-pAnch sAl aisA khUb abhyAs kiyA thA?

samAdhAna- do-pAnch sAl lage hI nahIn hai.

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mumukShu- vahI pUchhatA hUn. bahut alpa samayamen...

samAdhAna- bahut alpa samayamen chha-ATh mahinemen hI ho gayA thA.

mumukShu- ham to tIs-tIs sAlase (lage hain), Ap kahate ho pUrA din usakA abhyAs chAhiye, pUrA din usIkA ghuTan honA chAhiye. jIvanamen vartamAnamen dhyey yah ek hI kiyA hai. phir bhI abhI AtmA sAmane dikhe, use pakaDane jAy to chhaTak jAtA hai. sAmane dikhe, pakaDane jAy to chhaTak jAtA hai. gnAnake andar usakA pratibhAs dikhe ki yah gnAyak hai, yah tU hai. aisA gnAn svIkAr kare, gnAn kabUl kare, phir bhI use grahaN karake yah pakaDA, pakaDane jAy to chhaTak jAtA hai. aise thoDA-thoDA dUr ho jAtA hai. usakA javAb to Ap kahoge ki puruShArthakI pariNati abhI jitanI chAhiye utanI nahIn hai, bhedagnAnakA bal jitanA chAhiye utanA nahIn hai. vah to barAbar hai.

samAdhAna- mujhe to vichArakI dhArA kuchh ek sAl, DeDh sAl chalI. chha- ATh mahinemen ugratA ho gayI. vah to antaramen..

mumukShu- to vah koI pUrva sanskArakA bal, puruShArthakA bal thA, aisA le sakate hain?

samAdhAna- pUrvakA sanskAr kah sakate ho, lekin puruShArtha to abhI karanA hai.

mumukShu- puruShArtha to vartamAnamen karanekA hai. parantu puruShArthake sanskArakA bal ho, to vah puruShArtha us sanskAr par jaldI kAm kar letA hai, aisA to banatA hogA na?

samAdhAna- jaldI ho, lekin taiyArI to svayamkI (honI chAhiye).

mumukShu- hAn, utanI taiyArI ho..

samAdhAna- yahAn in logonko kitane sanskAr paDe? yahAn gurudevake kitane sAlake sanskAr sabako taiyAr ho gaye hain. sanskAr andar DAle to kitane sAl (ho gaye). vah sab pUrvakA gin lenA. gurudevane jo pravachan kiye, vah sabane sunA, antaramen vah pUrva hI thA na. pUrva sanskAr mAn lenA.

mumukShu- hAn, vah to hai. jarUr hai. jo sanskArakA sinchan huA usakA amuk bal to hotA hai.

samAdhAna- usakA bal (hai to) sabako andar AsAn ho jAtA hai na.

mumukShu- hAn, utanA AsAn ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- koI aisA kahe ki pUrvake sanskAr (the). to sanskAr to abhI gurudevane bahut diye hain.

mumukShu- diye-diye. chAlIs-chAlIs sAlake sanskAr to gurudevane diye hI hain. usakA sinchan bhI huA hai. vah pUrva sanskAr hI hai. pUrva arthAt pUrva bhavake hI sanskAr

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ho, aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- isaliye puruShArthakI taiyArI to svayamko hI karanI hai.

mumukShu- svayamko hI karanI hai. vah pUrvake sanskAr bhI vyavahArakA kathan hai ki us sanskArake balase prApta huA. nishchayase to jab puruShArtha karake prApta kare tab pUrva sanskArake balase (prApta huA), aisA vyavahArase kahA jAya.

samAdhAna- hAn, aise vyavahArase kah sakate hain, us par Arop dekara. pUrvake sanskAr to vyavahArase (kahanemen AtA hai).

mumukShu- pUrvake sanskArako jAgRut karanemen bhI vartamAn puruShArtha chAhiye.

samAdhAna- vah svayamkA vartamAn puruShArtha hai. AtmAmen Ananda bharA hai, AtmAmen gnAn bharA hai, parantu svayam andarase vikalpako chhedakar puruShArtha kare to hotA hai.

mumukShu- vikalpakA chhed nahIn huA hai, phir bhI AtmA gnAnAnandamay hai, aisA svIkAr, usakI hakAr to andarase aisA AtA hai ki tU hI shAntikA piNDa, AnandakA piNDa, gnAnamUrti AtmA hai. usamen to thoDI bhI shankA nahIn hotI. anubhav binA. anubhavapUrvakakI vANI to koI aur hotI hai.

samAdhAna- vah to usakI dashA hI alag hai.

mumukShu- parantu anubhav pUrva bhI aisA svIkAr to aise jorashorase AtA hai ki aho! tU gnAnAndamay hai. parantu use pakaDaneke liye...

samAdhAna- usakA abhyAs kShaN-kShaNamen, kShaN-kShaNamen chalanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- bolo, vajubhAI! kitane dUr ho? vajubhAIko to bahut bAr likhatA hUn. tU svayam DAkTar, tU svayam dardI aur tU dardIkA darda miTAnevAlA bhI tU svayam hai. barAbar hai?

samAdhAna- sab svayam hI hai. gurudevane apUrva vANI barasA dI. sabako kahIn bhUl na rahe aisA kar diyA hai.

mumukShu- barAbar hai, usamen to.. itanA parosakar gaye hain ki aho! hamAre ahobhAgya ki aisA sAkShAt sunane milA.

samAdhAna- sab kahAn paDe the, kriyAmen aur shubhabhAvamen dharma mAnate the. vahAnse to dRuShTi uThA dI, parantu antaramen dravya-guN-paryAyake bhedamen bhI tU mat aTak, ek dravyadRuShTi kara. gnAn sab kar lekin dRuShTi ek AtmA par sthApit kara.

mumukShu- gnAn bhI dRuShTi karaneke liye karanekA hai na.

samAdhAna- kitanA sUkShma gurudevane de diyA hai.

mumukShu- oho..! kyA andar sUkShmatAmen le gaye hain! chhed-bhedakar kitanI sUkShmatAmen!

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kahAn tujhe jAnA hai, terA dhAm tujhe batA diyA, vishrAntikA sthAn batA diyA. yahAn vishrAnti hai, kahIn aur nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- batA diyA. yahAn shAnti, yahAn sukhakA dhAm, vishrAnti AnandakA ghar hai. kRupA ho, vah to svayam taiyAr ho to kRupA kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- taiyAr bhI gnAnI kar de, de bhI de gnAnI.

samAdhAna- vah to usamen samA jAtA hai. upAdAn-nimittakA aisA sambandha hI hotA hai. upAdAn jisakA taiyAr ho us par gurudevakI kRupA hotI hai.

mumukShu- barAbar hai, bAt to aisI hI hai.

samAdhAna- vah to aisA hI kahe ki gurudev! Apane hI sab diyA hai.

mumukShu- AtmA diyA.

samAdhAna- AtmA diyA.

mumukShu- aisA kuchh nahIn, sAkShAt pratyakSha dekhe aisA kuchh nahIn?

samAdhAna- jo taiyAr ho us par kRupA hotI hai. vah to aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.

mumukShu- usamen to aisA hI hai. parantu gurudevakI amuk kRupA ho, bhale nimitta, parantu upAdAnako aise uThA liyA, tU taiyAr ho jA.

samAdhAna- gurudev to vItarAg the. unakI kRupA kudaratI jis par kRupA ho..

mumukShu- to bhI vItarAg sarvathA nahIn the, kisI-kisI par to bahut rAg thA.

samAdhAna- vah to dekhanevAlekI dRuShTi vaisI thI.

mumukShu- to Ap rAgakA pUrA inkAr karoge? gurudevako rAg thA hI nahIn? gurudevako paryAyArthikanayase rAg nahIn thA? ashuddhanishchayanayase rAg nahIn thA?

samAdhAna- gurudev to vItarAgatAke panth par chalanevAle vItarAgI hI kahenge na.

mumukShu- vItarAgatAke panth par the, thoDA rAgakA bhI panth thA to vItarAgatAke panth par kahen, nahIn to vItarAg sAkShAt ho gaye kahalAyenge.

samAdhAna- aisA kahanA hI nahIn chAhiye. shiShya ho vah gurudevako vItarAg..

mumukShu- mere guruko koDh thA hI nahIn.

samAdhAna- shiShya aisA hI kahe ki gurukI jis par kRupA ho, vah shiShya tir jAya. vItarAgI guru.

mumukShu- gurudev taraNatAraN kahalAte haiain. tir gaye aur tirA diyA. taraNatAraNakA Arop un par Aye. he guru! Ap tir gaye. aur Apake anek shiShyonko Apane tAre.

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samAdhAna- tAr diye. vah aisA nahIn kahegA ki puruShArthase tirA. gurudevane tAr diyA. pUre hindustAnake jIvonko gurudevane hI jAgRut kiye haiain. pUre bhAratako. sabakI dRuShTi kriyAmen aur shubhabhAvamen paDI thI. sabakI dRuShTi (vahAn paDI thI). gurudevane dRuShTi dI aisA hI kahenemen Aye na.

mumukShu- gurudevane murdeko khaDA kar diyA, ham to aisA kahate haiain. sab murade the, muradeke khaDA kar diyA, jAgRut kiyA.

samAdhAna- main svayamse khaDA ho gayA, aisA thoDe hI kahanemen Aye? gurudevane dRuShTi dI aur gurudevane jAgRut kiye. gurudevane jIvan diyA.

mumukShu- Ap bhale kaho, ve nimitta the. parantu hamako to aisA lagatA hai, unhonne hamako khaDA kar diyA, hAth pakaDakar hamen khaDA kar diyA.

samAdhAna- vah to khaDI hI kiyA hai na. nimitta-upAdAnakI bAt ho tab aisA kahanemen Aye, bAkI gurudevane hI khaDe kiye hain.

mumukShu- Apako nidrAmen, svapnamen kaI bAr darshan hue honge?

samAdhAna- svapnamen to Ate hI hain gurudeva. yahAn vaShAse jIvan us prakArakA ho gayA hai, isaliye svapnamen to Ate hain.

mumukShu- aise kuchh bAt kar jAte hain?

samAdhAna- usamen kyA bAt karen? kahA na, gurudev to vItarAgI the.

mumukShu- vItarAgI the, parantu kuchh bAt to karate honge.

mumukShu- svapnamen to Aye, parantu aise Aye hain ki nahIn? Aye to kahanA, mujhe kahanA, aisA rAmajIbhAI kahate the. mujhe bulAnA.

mumukShu- sunA hai, parantu bahinashrI aisA kahe ki Aj subah hI Aye the, gurudev yahAn padhAre the, Apako der ho gayI, gurudev padhAr gaye.

samAdhAna- gurudev to devamen virAjate hain. kShetrase dUr ho gaye. bAkI sAkShAt virAjate hain. ve to sImandhar bhagavAnake pAs jAte haiain. bIchamen yah bharatakShetra A jAy aur ve dekhe bhI, parantu hamako dikhAI nahIn de.

mumukShu- bharatakShetrakI yAd A jAya.

samAdhAna- ve to gnAnamen sab dekhate hon.

mumukShu- sImandhar bhagavAnake pAsase vApas muDate samay mere shiShyakI khabar le lUn, aisA unako bhI man ho, thoDA rAg abhI hai, devagatimen aisA rAg hotA hai. aur devagatike jIvako kriyAvartI shakti hon, use yahAn Anemen kahAn der lagatI hai.

samAdhAna- parantu bharatakShetrake puNya ho to yahAn Aye. bAkI unako to mahAvidehakI

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or sImandhar bhagavAnake pAs (jAte hain).

mumukShu- hamAre puNya the isIliye to padhAre the, puNya khatma nahIn ho gaye hain, aisA vichAr kyon na karen.

samAdhAna- Ate hon to koI dekh bhI nahIn sake. ... apanI or ekatvabuddhiko dRuDh karanI.

mumukShu- bAharakI ekatvabuddhiko DhIlI kI hai, isaliye to puruShArtha aur gnAnakA vyApAr antaramen jAkar..

samAdhAna- use toD denA chAhiye.

mumukShu- toD de to yahAn AtmAkA sparsha ho jAya. yahAn ekatvabuddhi TUT jAy to AtmAkA sparsha ho jAya. yahAn ekatAbuddhi TUT jAy to AtmAkI ekatAbuddhi ho jAya.

samAdhAna- to usakA abhyAs kare, abhyAs karanA chAhiye na. abhyAs kare to apanI ekatvabuddhi ho.

mumukShu- abhyAs karen ki main gnAyak hUn, main gnAyak hUn.

samAdhAna- us abhyAsamen kShati hai.

mumukShu- kaun-sI kShati hai?

samAdhAna- kShati hI hai, usakI dRuDhatAkI kShati hai. vah kShati hai.

mumukShu- Apane to ek hI javAb, dRuDhatAkI kShati hai, puruShArthakI kachAs hai, gnAnakA jor nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- lekin ek hI javAb ho na. dUsarA kyA javAb ho?

mumukShu- use kaise prApta karanA? ki tU svayam kar to ho. vah javAb doge.

samAdhAna- usakA ek hI javAb hai, dUsarA javAb kyA ho? svayamko hI karanA hai.

mumukShu- kuchh vidhi-vidhAn hogA na?

samAdhAna- usakI vidhi ek hI hai, gnAtAkA bhedagnAn karanA, gnAtAko pahachAnanA, usakA puruShArtha karanA, ek hI upAy hai, dUsarA koI upAy nahIn hai. koI kar nahIn degA, kahInse AnevAlA nahIn hai. apanemen sab bharA hai, apanemense sab AyegA aur svayamko pragaT karanA hai. kaise karanA? vah to svayamko hI karanA hai.

mumukShu- jaise-jaise gnAnIkA upadesh sunen, gnAnI jaise-jaise is prakArakI vidhi batAye, vaise-vaise yahAn puruShArtha uThatA huA dikhe,..

samAdhAna- vidhi batAye bAdamen karanA svayamko bAkI rahatA hai. ve karavA nahIn

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dete.

mumukShu- hAn, batAte hain, to karate hain na?

samAdhAna- ve batAte to hain ki tU tere gnAyakako pahichAna.

mumukShu- hAn, parantu gnAyakako pahichAnanekI itanI mahenat karaneke bAvajUd abhI dUr-dUr kyon hai?

samAdhAna- mahenat karaneke bAvajUd na ho to mahenat karatA hI nahIn.

mumukShu- terI mahenat kI kachchI hai.

samAdhAna- mahenat hI kachchI hai.

mumukShu- use pakAnekI bAt...?

samAdhAna- mahenat hI kachchI hai.

samAdhAna- ... gurudevane kyA mArga batAyA hai? vichAr, vAnchan, mahimA, andarase chaitanyakI mahimA (AnI chAhiye). dev-guru-shAstra kyA kahate hain? unakI mahimA, dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, chaitanyakI mahimA, vahI vichAr, usIkI lagan laganI chAhiye. bArambAr usakA abhyAs karanA chAhiye, tattvakA vichAr karanA chAhiye. vah karanekA hai.

bAhya kriyA mAtra kare, shubhabhAv kare to puNya bandhatA hai. usase kuchh dharma to hotA nahIn, devalok hotA hai. shuddhAtmAko-gnAyakadevako pahachAne. vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa tattva AtmA hai, use pIchhAna. use pahachAnaneko kahA hai. bhedagnAn karanA. ye vibhAv hote hain vah main nahIn hUn, main to chaitanya hUn. aisA bhedagnAn antaramense karanA chAhiye. usake liye usakI jignAsA honI chAhiye. bAharakI mahimA chhUT jAy, antarakI mahimA Aye to hotA hai.

mumukShu- koI vastu kaThin nahI hain.

samAdhAna- kaThin nahIn hai, lekin svayamkA abhyAs anAdikA dUsarA ho gayA hai isaliye kaThin lagatA hai. svabhAv apanA hai, sahaj hai, parantu anAdi kAlakA abhyAs dUsarA hai isaliye kaThin lagatA hai.

mumukShu- samajhamen nahIn Aye aisA kuchh...?

samAdhAna- aisA nahIn hai. svayamkA svabhAv hai. samajhe to kShaNamen samajhamen Aye aisA hai. gurudev to yahAn padhAre.... gurudev pravachanamen koI apUrva bAt karate the. AtmAko pahachAnanA. usake liye shAstra svAdhyAy, tattva vichAr Adi sab karanA.

... svarUp hai, vibhAvaparyAy bhI usakA svabhAv nahIn hai. AtmA koI alag adabhUt tattva hai, use pahachAnanA. gnAyak hai. jitanA gnAn, jitanA Ananda, jitanA chaitanyamense pragaT ho vah usakA svabhAv hai, bAkI sab vibhAv hai. chaitanyakA lakShaN pahichAnakar

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use bhinna karanA. apane lakShaNase bhinna paDatA hai. vibhAvakA lakShaN bhinna aur AtmAkA lakShaN bhinna. lakShaNase bhinna karanA.

dravya par dRuShTi karake us par dRuShTiko sthir karanA. guNake bhed, paryAyake bhed bhI AtmAke svabhAvamen nahIn hai. usakA gnAn karanA, sabako jAnanA. dRuShTi ek chaitanya par rakhanI. yah karanA hai. vikalpa TUTakar nirvikalpa tattvakI svAnubhUti kaise pragaT ho, yah karanA hai.

.. abhyAs karanA chAhiye. ye to anAdikA abhyAs hai. chaitanyakA abhyAs bArambAr (karanA chAhiye), ye vibhAvakA to anAdikA hai. chaitanyakA abhyAs karanA vah apUrva hai. kahIn bhI ho, kar sakatA hai, karanA apane hAthamen hai. lekin usakI bhAvanA to aisI hotI hai na ki jahAn dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya mile. vahAn koI-koI mumukShu honge. jyAdA to honge nahIn.

muumukShu- bahut thoDe. samAdhAna- shAstrakA artha samajhanA saral paDe. mumukShu- yahAn sunA ho, ... samAdhAna- apanI taiyArI chAhiye na.