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mumukShu- hamAre pAs parako jAnatA huA gnAn hai to usamense gnAyakako kaise jAn sake?

samAdhAna- parako jAnatA huA gnAn ho, parantu gnAyak svayam svatasiddha anAdiananta vastu hai. us vastuko lakShaN dvArA pahachAn sakate hain. bhale parako jAnatA huA ho to gnAyak svayam anAdiananta shAshvat hai. use pahachAn sakate hain. svayam hI hai, dUsarA nahIn hai. isaliye svayam svayamko pahichanA sakatA hai, apane lakShaN dvArA svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai.

parako jAnanevAlA gnAn ho to bhI svayam svatasiddha AtmA hai na. anAdiananta gnAyak svayam hI hai. svayam svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai. usakA gnAnalakShaN asAdhAraN hai. parako jAnate hue gnAnakA matalab paramen pravesh nahIn ho gayA hai. pararUp arthAt jaDarUp nahIn ho gayA hai. svatasiddha gnAyak anAdiananta shAshvat dravya chaitanya hai. svayam svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai, lakShaNase pahachAn sake aisA hai. pahachAn na sake aisA nahIn hai. svayam svayamkI or dRuShTi kare, nij lakShaN dvArA svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai.

mumukShu- parako jAnatA huA jo gnAn hai, usIko lakShaN lenA?

samAdhAna- vah lakShaN nahIn hai. parako jAnatA huA gnAn lakShaN nahIn hai. vah svayam svatasiddha chaitanya anAdiananta gnAyak svabhAv hai, us gnAyakako pahachAna. parako jAnatA huA, usamen koI paryAyako pahachAnanA yA ek guNako pahachAnanA hai aisA nahIn hai, svatasiddha gnAyakako pahachAnanA hai. akelA gnAnako pahachAnanA hai aisA nahIn, (gnAn) usakA asAdhAraN lakShaN hai, parantu akhaNDa dravyako pahachAnanA hai.

gnAn bhale ho, use dRuShTi chaitanya par karanI hai. dravyako pahachAnanA hai, ek paryAyako pahachAnanI hai aisA nahIn hai. jo par-or jAtA hai use sva-or moDakar svayam svayamkI or dRuShTi karake svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai. apanI or ruchi ho, apanI mahimA ho to chaitanyake lakShaN dvArA svayam svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai. usakI dRuShTi bAhar hai, usakA lakShya bAhar hai, use antarlakSha karanese svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai.

paryAyako nahIn pahachAnanI nahIn hai, dishA badalanese svayam svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai.

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anAdiananta svatasiddha hai. pragnAchhainI dvArA svayam sUkShma hokar, apanI or jhukakar svayamko pahachAn sakatA hai.

mumukShu- gnAnIkI pariNatiko agnAnI dekh nahIn sakatA, to gnAnIkA nirNay kaise ho sake agnAnIse?

samAdhAna- vah dekh nahIn sakatA, parantu lakShaN dvArA pahachAn sakate hain. gnAnIkI pariNati vah dekh nahIn sakatA. unakI bhedagnAnakI pariNati hai vah unakI vANImen unakA vajan kahAn jAtA hai? kis orakI bAt AtI hai? vah sab unakI vANI dvArA unakA vajan kahAn jAtA hai, vah pahachAn sakate hain. unakI pariNatiko, unake parichayase unakI vANI dvArA pahachAn sakate hain. sat or, dravya or unakI dRuShTi kahAn hai, unakI pariNati kyA kAm karatI hai? unakI vANI dvArA pahachAn sakate hain.

mumukShu- bAkI bolatA ho aur gnAnakA pariNaman nahIn huA ho..

samAdhAna- antarase, gaharAIse kahAnse AtI hai, usake vedanamense AtI hai? Upar- Uparase AtI hai? yA usakI pariNati use pragaT huyI usamense AtI hai? yA vah shAstrase bolatA hai? vah jisakI andarase satakI jignAsA ho vah pahachAn sakatA hai. usakI svAnubhavapUrvakakI vANI kaisI hai, vah pahachAn sakate hain. us jAtakI vANI ho to bhI usakA vajan kahAn jAtA hai? usakI pariNati kahAn kAm karatI hai, use pahachAn sakate hain.

ek sAmAnya manuShya ho, usake parichayase is AdamIkA hRuday kyA kAm karatA hai? usakA kyA kAm karatA hai, vah AdamIke parichayamen Anese sthUlamen pahachAn sakate hain, to ye to usakI satarUp pariNati pragaT huI hai aur vANI muktike mArgakI nikalI hai, kis prakArakI nikalI hai, jise satakI jignAsA ho vah use pahachAn sakatA hai.

mumukShu- bahin! gurudevane aisA pharamAyA thA ki jo Apake charaNonko lipaTakar rahegA usakA beDA pAr ho jAyagA, usakA artha kyA?

samAdhAna- usakA artha main kyA karun? gurudevakA Ashay... usakA artha to... usakA artha main kyA kah sakatI hUn? .. gurudevakI arpaNatA karake rahe. gurudevake apUrva vachan the. gurudevakA AtmA koI alag thA. un par mahimA lAye, unakI vANI sune, unakI koI apUrva mahimA lAye to usakA beDA pAr hai. jisane gurudevako antarase pahachAnA, gurudevako hRudayamen sthApit kiye, un par arpaNatA kI, jo gurudev kahe us rUp usakI pariNati pariName, aise jIvonkA beDA pAr hai. ve apUrva, unakA AtmA apUrva. aisI apUrvatA jisake hRudayamen lagI aur vah vANI jisane sunI, gurudevakA parichay kiyA, unakA sAnnidhyamen (rahe), antaramen jise aisI koI apUrvatA lagI, usakA beDA pAr hai.

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mumukShu- pariNatike viShayamen Apase sunanA hai. vartamAnamen devalokamen ...

samAdhAna- gurudev to abhI devalokamen hai. yahAnse sab mahAn lekar hI gaye hain. vahAn bhagavAnake darshan mile hain, unakI vANI milI hai to unako to visheSh antaramense jo unhen chAhiye thA, bhagavAnakI bhAvanA thI, bhagavAnakI vANI sunanekI bhAvavA thI, unhen shrutagnAnakI itanI mahimA, sab unhen prApta ho gayA hai. shrutagnAnamen unhen visheSh puShTi mile aisA sab unhen prApta ho gayA hai. svayam antaramense sab lekar devalokamen gaye hain. bhagavAn mile, yog milA.

mumukShu- yahAn sabake bIch alag paD jAte the, vaise vahAn bhI hogA na?

samAdhAna- unakI pariNati alag thI, alag dRuShTise dekhe to alag dikhAI de. vah dravya alag thA, aisA sab jAnate ho ki ye koI tIrthankarakA dravya hai. unakI pariNati nirmal, unakI nirmal pariNatiko sab jAn sakate hain. devommen to sab jAnanekI bahut shakti hotI hai ki ye tIrthankarakA dravya hai, ye bhaviShyake tIrthankar hain, aisA jAn sakate hain. dUsare dev bhI jAn sakate hain. bhaviShyake tIrthankar hain, aisA sab jAn sakate hain. ye koI alag dravya hai. jAnanekI shakti hotI hai. ye bharatakShetramense Aye hain. bhagavAnake pAs the. sab jAn sakate hain. bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain, yah sab jAn sakate hain.

mumukShu- vartamAn pariNati hai, vah kisako sUchit karatI hai? unake bhUtakAlakI yA unake bhaviShyakI? koI krodh karatA ho to pUrvamen vah sAmp thA aisA kahA jAyagA yA bhaviShyamen sAmp hogA aisA kahA jAyagA?

samAdhAna- usakI kis prakArakI puruShArthakI gati hai, us par (AdhArit hai). bachapanamen ho to dikhAI de ki ye pUrvase kuchh lekar AyA hai. vartamAn antaramen jyAdA juDakar krodh karatA ho to aisA bhI kahA jAy ki ye bhaviShyamen aisA hogA. vah kis prakArakA hai vah usakA AtmA jAne. bhUtakAlake sanskArase krodh Ave to vah vartamAnamen galat prakArase puruShArtha karake vartamAnamen krodhamen juDatA ho to bhaviShyakA sUchak hai. bhUtakAlakA ho to pUrvakA sUchak hai. vartamAnamen jyAdA karatA ho to vah bhaviShyakA sUchak hai. usamen kuchh nishchit nahIn hotA hai. vah to log ek kalpanAse kahate hain ki ye krodhI hai isaliye aisA hogA. ye vartamAnamen (itanA) krodh karatA hai, isaliye bhaviShyamen aisA hogA. kuchh nishchitarUp nahIn hotA, usake pariNAm antaramen kyA kAm karate ho. bachapanamen ho to pUrva bhavakA sUchak lage. phir to jaise-jaise svayam andar juDatA jAy to bhaviShyakA bhI hotA jAya.

mumukShu- bahut bAr aisA hotA hai ki yah bhAv nahIn karanA hai, to bhI vah

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vikalpa aur vichAr Aye to usakA kyA karanA? bahut bAr aisA hotA hai ki aise vichAr hamen karane hain? aise vichAr hamen nahIn karane hain. aise vichAr Aye usakA kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai, aise lenA. uday hai, usako grahaN karanese to apane puruShArthakI mandatA hotI hai. apanI vartamAn puruShArthakI to mandatA hai. udayakA kAraN usamen le nahIn sakate. uday to nimittamAtra hai. apane puruShArthakI mandatAse vah hotA hai. svayam use toD nahIn sakatA hai, vah apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai. pUrvakA uday use jabarajastI nahIn karatA ki tU yah bhAv kar hI kara. (aisA ho to) svayam parAdhIn ho jAya. vah use jabarajastI nahIn kahatA hai, parantu apanI mandatAse vah hotA hai. apanI mandatAkA vah kAraN hai. yadi vah jabarajastI karatA ho to svayam parAdhIn ho jAya. usakI jabarajastI nahIn hotI. apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai.

apane puruShArthakI mandatAkI orase le to use TUTanekA avakAsh hai. karma orase lenese use TUTanekA bhI avakAsh nahIn hai. isaliye apanI mandatAse vah hotA hai. nimitta udayakA hai, parantu svayamkI vartamAn puruShArthakI mandatA hai. vah jabarajastIse use kahatA nahIn hai ki tU kara. svayam use toD nahIn sakatA isaliye apanI mandatA hai. aisA nirNay kiyA ki yah bhAv nahIn karane hain, phir bhI Aye to usamen apanI mandatA hai, usamen pUrvakA kAraN nahIn hai. uday to nimittamAtra hotA hai.

mumukShu- use pudagalake pariNAm nahIn lenA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- chaitanyamenn jo hote hain, use pudagalake pariNAm nahIn lenA. pudagal to nimittamAtra hai. pudagalake pariNAm kab lenA? ki dravyadRuShTike balase ki yah vibhAvasvabhAv bhI merA nahIn hai, vah pudagalake nimittase hote hain, isaliye pudagalakA hai. isaliye usakA artha aisA nahIn hai ki pudagal use karavAtA hai. svayam juDatA hai tab hote hain. vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, chaitanyakA svabhAv shuddhatAse bharA hai, us apekShAse, dravyamen shuddhatA hai us apekShAse use pudagalake kahA jAtA hai. usakA artha (aisA nahIn hai ki) vah pudagal karatA hai. apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hain.

dravyadRuShTise bhedagnAnase svayam bhinna kare do dravyako, tab use pudagalakA kah sakate hain. parantu use alpa asthiratA gnAtAkI dhArA samyagdarshanamen rahe to vah alpa asthiratA rahe to bhI vah puruShArthakI mandatAse rahatI hai. apane puruShArthakI ugratA hotI hai tab hI vah asthiratA jAtI hai. yadi vah jaD ho to use puruShArtha karanekA, samyagdarshan honeke bAd puruShArtha karanA hI nahIn rahatA hai, to phir use turanta kevalagnAn ho jAnA chAhiye. use puruShArthakI mandatAse alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. use pudagalakA kahanA vah

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dravyadRuShTike balase kahanemen AtA hai. do dravyako bhinna karake, bhedagnAnakI apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. bAkI alpa samyagdarshan honeke bAd alpa asthiratA rahatI hai, vah yadi pudagalakI ho to phir samyagdarshan honeke bAd puruShArtha karanA bAkI nahIn rahatA. samyagdarshan honeke bAd bhI puruShArtha karanA rahatA hai. ulpa asthiratA use rahatI hai to use puruShArthakI visheSh vRuddhi ho aur chAritrakI vRuddhi-svarUp ramaNatA baDhatI jAtI hai, svAnubhUti baDhatI jAtI hai vah puruShArthase baDhatI hai aur asthiratA TUTatI jAtI hai. vah puruShArthase hotA hai. aur kevalagnAn bhI aise hotA hai.

yadi sirpha pudagalake hI ho to phir kuchh puruShArtha hI nahIn karanA rahatA. samyagdarshan huA aur sab pUrA ho gayA. dRuShTi pUrNa ho gayI to usake sAthA chAritra-lInatA bhI pUrNa ho jAya. to use pudagalake kahA jAya. parantu abhI jabatak puruShArtha bAkI hai, tabatak asthiratA hai, apanI mandatAke kAraN hai. svabhAv apanA nahIn hai, parantu puruShArthakI mandatA hai. puruShArthakI gati baDhe to vah TUT jAtA hai. apane svabhAvakI shuddhi baDhatI jAy, aise asthiratA kam hotI jAtI hai. asthiratA aise hI nahIn TalatI, parantu apanI shuddhi andar baDhatI hai isaliye asthiratA kam ho jAtI hai.

.. aise hI vikalpa nahIn TUTate, parantu apanI shuddhi ho to vikalpa svayam hI TUT jAte hain. jaise vikalpa ho vah TUT jAte hain. apanI andarakI shuddhi baDhe to. jaise- jaise bhUmikA baDhatI jAy, aise-aise asthiratA kam hotI jAtI hai. chaturtha guNasthAnamen usake anusAr asthiratA hotI hai, phir pAnchavI bhUmikA ho, usakI svAnubhUtikI antar pariNati, svarUp ramaNatA baDhatI jAy to us anusAr asthiratA hotI hai. phir chhaThThave- sAtaven guNasthAnamen ekadam usakI nirmalatA ho, chhaThThave-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhule us anusAr usakI asthiratA ekadam kam ho jAtI hai. phir use sanjvalanakA jo ekadam manda kaShAy hai aisA hI rahatA hai. phir usamense bhI adhik nirmalatA hotI hai isaliye usakA kShay hotA hai.

isaliye vah jaDake nahIn hai. apane puruShArthakI gatike sAth sambandha rakhatA hai. jaDakA to... use do dravya bhinna paDate hain. ek chaitanyadravya aur vibhAva. usakA nimitta pudagal hai isaliye use pudagalake kahanemen AtA hai. apanA svabhAv nahIn hai vah barAbara. usakI dravyadRuShTimen, gnAtAdhArAmen vah merA nahIn hai, merA nahIn hai, aise usakI gnAyakakI ugratAmen vah merA nahIn hai, aise dRuShTike balamen use aisA hI AtA hai ki ye merA nahIn hai. parantu asthiratAmen merI mandatAse hotA hai, vah use gnAnamen vartatA hai.

mumukShu- .. pariNamatA hai ki..?

samAdhAna- pUrA AtmA nahIn pariNamatA. AtmA to dravya apekShAse to shuddharUp

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pariNamatA hai. usakI gnAyakakI pariNati hai. parantu use asthiratA (hai vah) andar tadagat ekatvabuddhise asthiratA nahIn hai. asthiratA use amuk paryAyamen pariNamatI hai. sarvAnshase pUre dravyamen asthiratA nahIn pariNamatI. vaise to anAdiananta dravya svayam kahAn pUrA ashuddha ho jAtA. dravyakI amuk shuddhatA to rahatI hai, use bhAn nahIn hai. dravya apekShAse to shuddhatA bharI hai, parantu use bhAn nahIn hai. isaliye gnAn kare to dravya apekShAse shuddhatA hai aur phir pragaT pariNati huyI isaliye darshanakI apekShAse-dRuShTikI apekShAse shuddhatA hai. parantu amuk paryAyommen use ashuddhatA rahatI hai. amuk paryAyamen ashuddhatA rahatI hai.

samAdhAna- .. AtmAkA svabhAv to bhagavAn hI hai. AtmAne svayamne anAdikAlase paribhramaN kiyA, parantu usakA svabhAv jo hai, us svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn huA hai. usakA svabhAv jo ananta shaktise bharA hai, usakA kevalagnAn, ananta gnAnase bharA AtmA, ananta Ananda, ananta sukh, shAnti sab AtmAmen ananta-ananta apUrva svabhAv hai, vah svabhAv aise hI bhare hain. shaktimen hai. bhale pragaTamen use vedan nahIn hai, vedan use vartamAn sukh- dukhakA aur rAgakA vedan hotA hai. parantu usakA jo svabhAv mUlamen hai, us svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn huA hai.

isaliye gurudev aisA kahate the ki tU bhagavAn hai, tU tujhe pahachAna. us or dRuShTi kar, use pahachAn to usamense pragaT hogA. jaise sphaTik svabhAvase nirmal hai, vaise AtmAkA svabhAv to nirmal hai. svaphaTikamen lAl aur pIle phUl rakhanese usamen lAl aur kAlA pratibimba uThatA hai, parantu sphaTikakA mUl svabhAv hai vah chalA nahIn jAtA. vaise AtmAkA mUl to, jaise kevalagnAnI siddha bhagavAn hain, vaisA usakA svabhAv hai. usake svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn huA. jaise pAnI svabhAvase nirmal shItal hai, parantu kIchaDase mailA dikhatA hai. vaise karmake kAraN vah svayam usamen juDatA hai, usake puruShArthakI kamajorIse usamen malinatA dikhatI hai, parantu pAnI to nirmal hai. usamen koI auShadhi DAle to usakI vah nirmalatA jaisI hai vaisI pragaT hotI hai.

vaise AtmA svayam svabhAvase nirmal hai. puruShArtha kare aur bhedagnAn kare ki ye malinatA merA svabhAv nahIn hai, karma-orakI hai. parantu puruShArthakI kamajorIse hotA hai. lekin main to gnAyak jAnanevAlA AtmA hI hUn. aisA yadi svayamko pahachAne to usakA svabhAv pragaT hotA hai. pahale to usakA ek ansh pragaT hotA hai, usakI svAnubhUti hotI hai. nirvikalpa dashA AtmAkA Ananda pragaT hotA hai. usakA bhedagnAn kare aur vikalpa TUTakar antaramen yadi jAy, usamen tanmay ho, usakA gnAn kare, usamen lInatA kare to usakA Ananda pragaT hotA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai. aisA karate-karate, baDhate-baDhate vah jaisA hai vaisA kevalagnAn svabhAv pragaT hotA hai.

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parantu pratham vah siddha bhagavAn jaisA hai, aisA nirNay kare-nakkI kare. mAtra vikalpase nakkI kare vah to shurUAtamen pahale buddhise nakkI kare. parantu andar jo usakA svabhAv hai, us svabhAvake mUlamen jAkar nakkI kare to vah pragaT hotA hai. AtmA to svabhAvase bhagavAn jaisA hI hai. bhagavAn hI hai. bhagavAn jaisA hI usakA svabhAv hai. shaktise hai. bhagavAnane pragaT huA aur ise shaktimen hai. vaise yah prayatna kare to vah pragaT ho aisA hai. usamen jo svabhAv ho vah usamense pragaT hotA hai, nahIn ho vah kahAnse pragaT ho? usake mUlamen hai to pragaT hotA hai.

jaise vRukShakA jaisA bIj hai, usake bIjamen hai to use pAnIkA sInchan karanese usakA vRukSha panapatA hai. vaise usake mUlamen-chaitanyake mUl svabhAvamen hI hai. svabhAvamense svabhAv AtA hai. vibhAvamense-rAgamense vItarAgatA nahIn AtI, vItarAg svabhAv hai usamense pragaT hotI hai. ata usake svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn huA hai. ananta janma-maraN hue, ek bhavase dUsarA bhav, usake pariNAm anusAr hote rahate hain. narka, svarga, tiryanch usake vibhAvabhAvake kAraN hote hain. parantu svabhAvako pahachAne to bhavakA nAsh hotA hai. ananta kAlase usane bAhya kriyA bahut kI, parantu shubhabhAv kiye, puNyabandha huA, devalokamen gayA parantu AtmAko pahichAnA nahIn. shubhabhAvase puNyabandha huA, devalokamen gayA, parantu shubh vikalpase bhI AtmA bhinna hai, usakA svabhAv yadi pahichAne, usakA bhedagnAn kare, usakI svAnubhUti kare to bhavakA abhAv hotA hai, to AtmAkA Ananda pragaT ho. shubhabhAv bIchamen Aye, parantu apanA nij svabhAv to vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa svabhAv hai. pahale usakI shraddhA ho, phir usamen lInatA kare to pragaT hotA hai.