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samAdhAna- ... andar AtmAko pahichAne, AtmAkI or jAy, AtmAkI ruchi kare, AtmAkI mahimA (kare). sachchI samajh kare ki main kaun hUn? aisI use antarase lagan laganI chAhiye. kahIn chain na paDe, vibhAvamen kahIn chain na paDe, antar dRuShTi honI chAhiye. phir use bAharakI ruchi to sahaj hI Utar jAtI hai. use bAharakA koI ras nahIn rahatA. antaramense chhUT jAy, isaliye bAhar ekadam tIvratAse kahIn tanmay nahIn hotA. vah to niras ho jAtA hai. bAharakI amuk kriyAen honI chAhiye aisA nahIn hotA. niras ho jAtA hai. sahaj-sahaj use aisI virakti A jAtI hai. use andarase ras Utar jAtA hai. phir use vichAr, vAnchan, svAdhyAy AtA hai. antar AtmAko kaise pahichAnUn, usakI sachchI samajh, usake vichAr, vAnchan hotA hai. andar khoj (chalatI hai ki) AtmA kaise pahachAnamen Aye? AtmA kyA hai? ye vibhAv kyA hai? usakA lakShaN pahichAnaneke liye sab prayatna chalatA hai.

usake liye itanI kriyA honI chAhiye yA itanA honA hI chAhiye, aisA niyam nahIn hotA. use ras nahIn AtA, isaliye sahaj hI chhUT jAtA hai. bAhar jo tIvra rAgake prasang aur sab kriyAen chhUT jAtI hai, parantu usakA niyam nahIn hotA ki itanI kriyA honI hI chAhiye, aisA niyam nahIn hai.

mumukShu- dravya, bhAvakA kAraN banatA hai?

samAdhAna- dravya bhAvakA kAraN... bhAv jahAn yathArtha hote hain, vahAn usake yogya aisA hotA hai. dravya lAbh karatA hai aisA nahIn hai, bhAv usakA yathArtha ho use aisA nimitta banatA hai. jahAn sachchI ruchi jAgRut ho, vahAn sachche dev-guru-shAstrako vah grahaN karatA hai. sachchI ruchi jAgRut hotI hai isaliye use amuk jAtake kaShAy manda ho jAte hain. usake kaShAy tIvra nahIn hote. antaramen jAy isaliye use kaShAyakA ras kam ho jAtA hai. amuk honA chAhiye aisA nahIn, lekin use kam ho hI jAtA hai.

mumukShu- svAbhAvik hai.

samAdhAna- svAbhAvik ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- chaTapaTI lage use ..

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samAdhAna- chaTapaTI lage isaliye use kaShAy kam ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- chaTapaTI lagAneke liye bhI prayatna to karanA paDatA hai na?

samAdhAna- chaTapaTI lagAneke liye prayatna karanA paDatA hai. prayatna karanA chAhiye. antaramen jAnekA prayatna to karanA chAhiye. kaShAy to use sahaj hI kam ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- sahaj hI kam ho jAte hain? prayatna jyAdA nahIn karanA paDe.

samAdhAna- use ras hI nahIn rahatA. jise AtmAkI or jAnekA vairAgya A jAy, use ye sab ruchi, bAharakI ruchi kam ho jAtI hai. ras kam ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- .. use dRuDhatA rahA kare ki main to, chAhe jo bhI upayog ho, koI bhI avasthA ho, main to gnAyak hI hUn.

samAdhAna- sarva pratham to buddhipUrvak nirNay hotA hai. lekin use nirNay aisA hI hotA hai ki yah yathArtha nirNay hai aur isI prakArase Age jAyA jAtA hai. aisI use antaramense shraddhA ho jAtI hai. yah gnAyak hai aur is gnAyakako grahaN karanese aur usamen tIvratA karanese, usakI ugratA karanese avashya isamense Age baDhA jAtA hai. aisA use nirNay A jAtA hai. usakA vah nirNay yathArtha hotA hai. gnAyakake mUlamense hI use svabhAv grahaN hokar nirNay hotA hai ki yahI gnAyak hai aur ye sab par hai, yah vibhAv hai, yah svabhAv hai. aur is svabhAvako grahaN karanese antaramense shAnti pragaT ho, antaramense Ananda AtA hai, aisA use yathArtha nirNay joradAr hotA hai. aur jahAn usakA puruShArtha uThatA nahIn hai, vah jAnatA hai ki merA puruShArtha nahIn hai. lekin is gnAyakako grahaN karanese, gnAtAdhArAko ugra karanese avashya isamense svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. aisA use joradAr nirNay hotA hai.

aur usake bAd bhI, svAnubhUtike bAd bhI use bhedagnAnakI dhArA chalatI hai. pahale to use nirNay hotA hai, parantu bhedagnAnakI dhArA usakI sahaj nahIn hotI hai. gnAyak grahaN ho aur phir chhUT jAy, use aisI puruShArthakI tIvratA-mandatA hotI rahatI hai. parantu usakA nirNay joradAr hotA hai ki aisA puruShArtha karanese, is gnAyakakI ugratA karanese avashya isI mArgase Age baDhA jAtA hai. utanA joradAr nirNay hotA hai. phir to usakI gnAyakakI dhArA joradAr rahatI hai. kShaN-kShaNamen kahIn bhI upayog jAy, upayog bAhar jAy, anek jAtake use vibhAvake vikalpa Aye to bhI use gnAyakakI dhArA to gnAyak use bhinna hI, pratikShaN bhinna hI rahatA hai. bAharamen koI bhI kArya hotA ho, antaramen koI bhI vikalpa Ate ho to bhI use gnAyak usase nyArA, gnAyakakI dhArAkI pariNati bhinna hI rahatI hai. khAte-pIte, chalate-phirate koI, kahIn bhI sote-jAgate use bhedagnAnakI dhArA (chalatI hai). ekatva hotA hI nahIn, aisI sahaj dhArA hotI hai. aur sahaj dhArAkI

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ugratA honese use svAnubhUti bhI aise hI hotI hai. phikShar to sahaj dhArA hI rahatI hai.

pahale to use mAtra nirNay hotA hai. usakI sahaj dhArA nahIn hotI. lekin nirNay hotA hai ki is gnAyakako grahaN karanese, isakI ugratA karanese, bhedagnAn karanese avashya svAnubhUti hotI hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArA use TikatI hai, kyonki vah sahaj nahIn hai isaliye. usakI ugratA karate-karate avashya svAnubhUti hogI, aisA use nirNay hotA hai. phir to usakI sahaj dhArA (ho jAtI hai). vah ekatva hotA hI nahIn. upayog bAhar jAy to bhI usakI pariNati to nyArI hI rahatI hai. pariNati bhinna hI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- use koI bhI udayabhAv Aye to bhI shankA nahIn hotI ki merA nirNay badal gayA...?

uttara- use shankA hotI hI nahIn. usakI sahaj dhArA bhinna hI rahatI hai. shankA hI nahIn paDatI. jis kShaN vikalpa Aye usI kShaN use gnAyakakI dhArA rahatI hai. jis kShaN.. phir use yAd nahIn karanA paDatA. jab vah vikalpa ho, usI vakta gnAyakakI dhArA (hotI hai). usI kShaN bhinna hotA hai. apanA astitva jo gnAyakarUpase grahaN huA, vah gnAyakakI pariNati joradAr (hotI hI hai). usake sAth ekamek-tanmay hotA hI nahIn, nyArA hI rahatA hai. vikalpa Aye to nyArA rahakar hI AtA hai. koI bhI Ave. phir to yAd bhI nahIn karanA paDatA, sahaj (hotA hai). sahaj apanA astitva gnAyakakI pariNatipUrvak vah vikalpa hotA hai. vah bhinna rahatA hai. use shankA nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- sharIramen rog Ave, pramAd ho jAy, usake sAth use aisA nahIn ho jAtA ki mere nirNayamen kuchh pheraphAr ho gayA?

samAdhAna- nahIn, use bilakUl shankA nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- kyonki aisA to bane ki sharIramen rog Ave to us or lakShya jAy, pramAd bhI ho jAya.

samAdhAna- to bhI use gnAyakakI dhArA, amuk jAtakA jo puruShArtha sahaj hai, vah use manda hotA hI nahIn. usakI sthiratAmen use visheSh kam ho, bAkI gnAyakakI dhArA, vah sahaj dhArA rahatI hI hai.

mumukShu- vichAr kare to hI rahe aisA kuchh nahIn?

samAdhAna- vichAr kare to rahe aisA nahIn, sahajapane rahatI hai.

mumukShu- nirNayavAlekI bhI vah sthiti hotI hai?

samAdhAna- pratham bhUmikAvAleko aisI sahaj dhArA nahIn hotI. use nirNay hotA hai. use yAd bhI karanA paDe. use nirNay hai. dhArA yA amuk anshamen use shAntikA vedan ho, pahale use aisI sahaj dhArA nahIn hotI. use yAd karanA paDatA hai. vaisA

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sahaj nahIn hotA. bAr-bAr usakA abhyAs karatA hai. ... use dRuDhatA hotI hai, pahale.

ekatvabuddhi jo anAdikI hai vah jaise sahaj hai, vaise use bhedagnAnakI dhArA sahaj rahatI hai. us jAtakA puruShArtha use sahaj ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- sahaj hai, phir bhI puruShArtha to hai.

samAdhAna- puruShArtha hai. sahaj hone par bhI puruShArtha hai. isaliye use bAr-bAr vichAr karake TikAnA nahIn paDatA isaliye vah sahaj hai. vikalpa karake yA vichAr karake yA smaraNamen lekar aise use TikAnA nahIn paDatA. isaliye sahaj hai. parantu pariNatikI dhArA hai vah use puruShArthapUrvak hai.

mumukShu- .... svakI apekShArUp pariNatimen puruShArtha rahA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, puruShArtha rahA hai. apanI orakA jo Ashray hai usamen puruShArtha rahA hai.

mumukShu- badalatA nahIn. dhAraNAgnAn paryant pahunchatA hai, samajhamen bhI biThAtA hai, parantu pariNati nahIn badalatA. pariNati badalatA nahIn hai arthAt parakA lakShya..

samAdhAna- pariNati jo ekatvakI pariNati ban gayI hai, us pariNatiko bhinna nahIn karatA hai. nirNay ho gayA ki main bhinna hI hUn, main gnAyak hUn. lekin vah gnAyak jo kShaN-kShaNamen vikalponke sAth ekatvabuddhi karake jo vartatA hai, ekatva hokar pariNaman kar rahA hai, us ekatvatAko toDatA nahIn. isaliye pariNati badalatA nahIn hai. vah ekatvatA toDanekA prayAs kare to prayAs use ho sakatA hai. abhyAsarUp ho sakatA hai. parantu sahaj honemen to use svAnubhUti ho to use adhik sahaj hotA hai. pahale vah ekatvatA toDanekA abhyAs kar sakatA hai.

... pariNati ho rahI hai, phir use vichAr karanA paDatA hai ki yah ekatva ho rahA hai, main bhinna hUn, aisA vichAr karanA paDatA hai, prayAs karanA paDatA hai. sahaj nahIn hai na isaliye. vichArapUrvakakA abhyAs (hotA hai). ... vah sahaj kAm karatA hai. upayog bAhar jAy to bhI pariNati jo sahaj hotI hai vah kArya karatI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- puuruShArtha to pratikShaN chalatA rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- chalatA hI rahatA hai, pratikShaNa. jis kShaN vikalpa Aye usI kShaN puruShArtha chAlU hI hai.

mumukShu- antar svabhAvako pakaDanekA koI puruShArtha?

samAdhAna- jo sahaj samyagdarshanake bAdakA hai, vah to use sahaj gnAyak grahaN hI ho gayA hai. gnAyakarUp hI main hUn, gnAyakarUp hI hUn. aisI usakI pariNati puruShArthapUrvak vartatI hI hai. aur pahale jo hai vah gnAyakako grahaN karanekA prayatna hai. usane buddhimen

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nakkI kiyA parantu gnAyak abhI pariNatirUpase bhinna nahIn huA, tab tak gnAyakako grahaN karaneke liye usakA prayatna chAlU rahatA hai.

... is tarah dRuShTi palaTe to pahichAne. ye to dRuShTi bAhar pudagalamen hai, isaliye bAharakA pahichAnatA hai. antar dRuShTi kare to pahichAne. main jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn, shAshvat hUn, anAdiananta hUn, aise svayam vichAr kare to pahachAn sake. dRuShTi badale to pahachAn sake. usakI jarUrat mahasUs ho, us or puruShArtha kare to pahachAn sake. usake lakShaNase pahichAn sakatA hai. gnAn lakShaN, gnAyak lakShaN hai. ye sab lakShaN pudagalakA hai vah jaD hai, bAharakA hai. sab vibhAv hai.

mumukShu- gnAnalakShaN to paryAyamen hai aur pahichAnanA svabhAvako hai.

samAdhAna- paryAyamen hai lekin vah paryAy antaramen main shAshvat kaun hUn, aise pahachAn sakatA hai. bhale paryAy ho to bhI dRuShTi dravyakI or kar sakate hain. ye jo kShaNik gnAnalakShaN hai usamen shAshvat main jAnanevAlA hUn. aise dRuShTiko svayam shAshvat par pahichAnakar sthir kar sakate hain. ye jo gnAnakI paryAy badalatI rahatI hai, vah badalatI hai so main nahIn, parantu jo shAshvat gnAyak hai, ek samAn rahatA hai, vah main gnAyak jAnanevAlA hUn. badalatA rahe, ekake bAd ek gneyako jAne, us gneyako jAne isaliye main nahIn, parantu main svayamsiddha gnAyak hUn. gneyako jAnanevAlA gnAyak main svatasiddha gnAn-jAnanevAlA hI hUn. ekake bAd ek paryAy badale kShaN-kShaNamen, vah to badalatI rahatI hai. jo badalatA hai vah merA shAshvat lakShaN nahIn hai. main shAshvat gnAyak hUn, aise pahichAn sakatA hai. ... to lInatA ho, to usamen sthiratA ho.

mumukShu- jarUrat par sab AdhAr hai?

samAdhAna- jarUrat lage, usakI lagan lage, jarUrat lage... bAharakA sab jarUratavAlA lage, use rasayukta lagatA hai. parantu antarakI jarUrat, usImen sarvasva hai. vahI sukharUp hai, vahI AnandarUp hai, vahI merA svabhAv hai. aise jarUrat lage to puruShArtha us or muDe. aisI antaramense lagan laganI chAhiye. jarUrat lage to us or prayatna-puruShArtha karatA rahe, usake pIchhe lagatA hai. ye to use itanI jarUrat hI nahIn lagatI hai, antaramen utanI lagan nahIn lagatI hai. lagan lage to usake pIchhe prayAs karatA hI rahe. bArambAr usakA prayAs karatA rahe.

mumukShu- 17-18 gAthAmen AtA hai ki pratyek jIvako anubhUtisvarUp bhagavAn AtmA anubhavamen AtA hai.

samAdhAna- vah anubhUti yAnI vAstavik anubhUti jo andar AnandakA vedan, aisA nahIn kahanA chAhate hain. aisA kahate ho to phir kahate hain, tujhe usakI shraddhA nahIn

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hai, nahIn jAnA usakA shraddhAn gadheke sing barAbar hai. aisA sab kahate hain. nahIn jAnA usakA shraddhAna. to gadheke singake barAbar Adi kahate hain, arthAt vAstavik anubhUti vahAn nahIn kahate hain.

vahAn to kahate hain, terA svabhAv us rUp pariNamatA hai. jo svabhAv terA gnAyakarUp hai jAnanevAlA, us rUp tU anAdise ho rahA hai. anubhavakA artha vahAn usakA anusaraN karake tU ho rahA hai, us rUpa. aisA kahanA chAhate hain. anubhUti arthAt tU us rUp ho (rahA hai), terA svabhAv us rUp pariNamatA hai, tere svabhAvarUp tU anAdise ho rahA hai. chetan chetanarUp pariNamatA hai. use tU pahichAn le.

mumukShu- prashna yah hotA hai ki anubhUtisvarUp bhagavAn AtmA kahA, vah kisakA visheShaN kahA?

samAdhAna- visheShaN bhale svayamkA chaitanyakA hai.

mumukShu- parantu jab aisA anubhUtisvarUp bhagavAn AtmA arthAt gnAyakabhAv?

samAdhAna- hAn, gnAyakabhAva.

mumukShu- AbAlagopAl sabhIko sadAkAl anubhavamen A rahA hai yAnI svabhAv to gnAt ho rahA hai. upayogAtmakakA savAl nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- us rUp pariNati ho rahI hai. pAriNAmikabhAvarUp vah pariNamatA hai. AtmA, gnAyak svayam.

mumukShu- parantu us AnandakI anubhUtikI bAt nahIn hai. aise nahIn lenA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- AnandakI anubhUti, vedanakI anubhUti nahIn hai. nahIn to phir aisA kyon AyA ki nahIn jAnA hai usakA shraddhA gadheke sing barAbar hai. arthAt AchAryako dUsarA kahanekI apekShA hai. anubhUti kahakar tU gnAyakarUp bhagavAn anubhavamen A rahA hai. arthAt us svarUp tU sadAke liye shAshvat hai. terA nAsh nahIn huA hai. tU tere svabhAvako TikA rahA hai, gnAyakarUpase. ata tU hai use pahichAn, aisA kahanA hai. us svarUp hI tU hai.

mumukShu- AtmAko usakA pratibhAs ho rahA aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- pratibhAs yAnI tU us rUp hI, gnAyak gnAyakarUpase pariNaman kar rahA hai. gnAyakakI gnAyakatA chhUT nahIn gayI hai, chetanakI chetanatA chhUT nahIn gayI hai. gnAyakarUp tU bhale vibhAvamen gayA to bhI terI chetanatA jyonkI tyon pariNamatI hai. sadAkAl pariNamatI hai. us chetanatAko tU andarase pahichAn le, aisA kahate hain. gurudevakI Tepamen abhI AyA thA, anubhUti arthAt us rUp honA, us svarUparUp pariNamanA.

mumukShu- honA.

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samAdhAna- hAn, honA. us rUp honA.

mumukShu- svabhAv.. svabhAva. ... agurulaghuguNake kAraN jo anekapanAkI ... anubhUti aur vah par nimittake kAraN A paDatI Apatti. usamen A paDI hai, isamen anubhUt lI. itanA pharka hai. usamen AyA thA. Aj anubhUti AyA thA, is arthamen. main yahAn AyA us dina. Aj hI yah AyA-anubhUti.

mumukShu- do din pahale mAtAjIko 17-18 gAthAkA prashna pUchhA thA. do-chAr din pahale.

mumukShu- mujhe mAlUm nahIn thA.

samAdhAna- us rUp vah ho rahA hai, gnAyak gnAyakarUp hI ho rahA hai. vah ho rahA hai lekin use pragaTarUpase khyAl nahIn hai. svayam us rUp ho rahA hai. anubhUtisvarUp arthAt gnAyak gnAyakarUp, lekin vah mAlUm nahIn hai.

mumukShu- mAlUm nahIn hai arthAt upayogAtmak nahIn karatA hai aisA?

samAdhAna- usakA upayog-pragaT nahIn karatA hai. upayogAtmak...

mumukShu- upayogamen bhI nahIn hai aur labdhamen nahIn hai. .... to upayogAtmak kahen. jAnatA hI nahIn.

mumukShu- nahIn, nahIn aisA kahanA hai ki chhadmastha jIv hai isaliye do jagah to upayog rahatA nahIn. yAnI upayogAtmak...

mumukShu- ek jagah upayog aur bAkI sab labdhamen. mumukShu- vah to ek bAr anubhav honeke bAdakA barAbar hai. mumukShu- isaliye yahAn nahIn hai. upayogAtmakakA koI matalab nahIn hai. kisI bhI prakArase jAnatA hI nahIn. upayogAtmak nahIn hai, to koI apekShAse jAnatA hai, aisA hotA hai. jAnatA hI nahIn.

mumukShu- vah svIkArya nahIn hai. vah hamen svIkArya nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- AchAryadev kahate hain ki tU anubhUtisvarUp ho rahA hai. lekin tujhe usakA shraddhAn nahIn hai. aur nahIn jAne huekA shraddhAn gadheke singake barAbar hai. isaliye tU jAnatA bhI nahIn, shraddhAn nahIn hai, AcharaN nahIn hai. parantu AchAryadev use kahate hain, nahIn hai usakA artha terA nAsh nahIn huA hai. tU jaD nahIn ho gayA hai. tU svayam hai anubhUtisvarUp AtmA, bAlagopAl sabako anubhUtirUp ho rahA hai. tU pahichAn le. tU svayam hI hai. tU us rUp hI hai, gnAyak hI hai, use tU jAn le. tU jAn le, terA nAsh nahIn ho gayA hai, tU hai usako jAn le, aisA kahate hain. tU us rUp anubhUti svarUp bhagavAn AtmA AbAlagopAl sadA shAshvat hai. gnAyak gnAyakarUp hI hai, tU use

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pahichAn le. pahichanA le.

mumukShu- AbAlagopAl sabako us rUp ho hI rahA hai. kaise ho rahA hai, mAlUm nahIn. utpAd-vyay-dhruvakI ekatAsvarUp anubhUti, dUsarI gAthA. sAt bola.

samAdhAna- anubhUtisvarUp yAnI gnAyakarUp hai. vedan pragaT nahIn hai. use apane svabhAvakA vedan nahIn hai. lekin jaD ho to use anubhUtisvarUp nahIn kahate. to bhI usamen jaDakI anubhUti kahA hai. lekin tU gnAyakarUp hI ho. AbAlagopAlako gnAyakarUp anubhUtirUp gnAyak hai. gnAyak hI hai, lekin tU kahAn khojatA hai? tU svayam hI hai. tU usakI shraddhA kar, use jAna. tU svayam hI hai. tU svayam hI hai aur dUsarI-dUsarI jagah khojane jA rahA hai. dUsarI jagah khojatA rahatA hai. tU hI hai. terI or dRuShTi kara.

mumukShu- bAhar vyartha mahenat karatA hai.

samAdhAna- bAhar vyartha mahenat karatA hai.

mumukShu- sadA kAl svayam hI anubhavamen AtA hone par bhI, usakA artha Apane aisA liyA ki anubhavamen AtA hone par bhI...

samAdhAna- shraddhA nahIn hai, AcharaN nahIn hai, kuchh nahIn hai to bhI tU hai. bhagavAn AtmA tU jyAenkA tyon hai. AbAlagopAl sabako.