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mumukShu- bahin! ham jaise bAlonkI mAng nikAlate hain, vaise Ap jaD aur chetanako barAbar lAInase dekh sakate ho? sharIr aur AtmAko aise hI (dekhate ho)? Apane jo bhedagnAn aur khaTakA kahA na, usakI bahut khaTak lag gayI. isaliye vah bAt main Apako phirase pUchhatI hUn. jaise ham bAl banAte hain to hamArI mAng dikhatI hai, vaise?

samAdhAna- hAn, vaise hI bhinna dikhatA hai. jaise yah makAn bhinna aur yah bhinna hai, vaise hI bhinna dikhatA hai.

mumukShu- Apako itanA sab dikhatA hai, to Apake pAs AnevAlommen unake orA parase Apako jarUr khyAlamen AtA hogA ki kaun-sI vyakti kis jignAsAse AtI hai? athavA to aise hI AtI hai? athavA usakA kyA hai? vah to Apako khyAlamen AtA hogA.

samAdhAna- usakI jignAsA kaisI hai usakA to khyAl A jAya. lekin usake jIvanake sAth kyA prayojan hai.

mumukShu- nahIn, hamen prayojan nahIn hai, lekin Apako khyAlamen A jAy ki ye kyA hai?

mumukShu- vah to Apako AtmAkI dRuShTise hI dekhenge. Ap kisI bhI...

mumukShu- aisA nahIn kahatI hUn, mainne jo kahA vah samajh gaye hain.

samAdhAna- pUrva bhavakA Ap kahate ho to..

mumukShu- nahIn, main aisA nahIn kahatI hUn. ham Apake pAs Aye tab orA kahate hain na, jo Apako dikhAI de ki is vyaktikI chetanA, is vyaktikA AtmA kyA hai?

samAdhAna- itanA khyAl Aye ki ApakI dRuShTi kahAn hai, vah to khyAlamen A jAtA hai ki Ap kisI dRuShTimen ho.

mumukShu- to hamen Ap thoDA IshArA dIjiye.

samAdhAna- Age abhI bahut baDhanA bAkI hai. abhI to bahut samajhanA bAkI hai. samajhanA bAkI hai. pUrvabhavakI jo bAten hain, vyaktigat to (kuchh kahatI nahIn hUn),

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phir bhI kahA gurudev rAjakumAr (the), utanA bhI bAhar nahIn bolatI. sab gurudev kahate the.

mumukShu- hamako kokilAbahinane kahA ki Apako dekhA to bole.

samAdhAna- jignAsA rakhate ho. bAkI samajhanA to bahut hai, samajhanA bahut bAkI hai. andar bahut karanA bAkI hai.

mumukShu- ApakI ek dRuShTi paD jAy to koI dikkat nahIn. phir kyA dikkat hai? kahate hain na ki itanI rUI ho use nikAlate-nikAlate mar jAy, lekin tinakA girA to phaT jAya. jyAdA kyon? phaTakA lag jAy to koI jyAdA der nahIn lagegI. der nahIn lagegI, khaTak lag jAyagI. Ap hamen AshIrvAd dIjiye. hamen AshIrvAd chAhiye.

samAdhAna- sachchI jignAsA ho to usakA puruShArtha kiye binA rahatA hI nahIn. apanI jignAsA sachchI honI chAhiye. andarase lagan laganI chAhiye.

mumukShu- bas, AshIrvAd dIjiye ki hamArA sab achchhA ho jAya.

samAdhAna- achchhA ho jAy, jignAsA ho use achchhA hI hotA hai. bhale puruShArtha kam ho, lekin santoSh hai ki mArga yah hai.

samAdhAna- .. isaliye kahIn shAnti nahIn hai. yahAnse vahAn kare, aisA kare, kahIn shAnti nahIn hai. kitanA santoSh hai. mujhe to aisA kahanA thA ki usane to kuchh grahaN bhI kiyA hai, lekin Ap sab to anishchit ho. ... gnAn karaneko kahate hain, samajhanA kahate hain. lekin mArga hI vah hai. samajhe binA andar dhyAn kaise hogA? samajhe binA. sachche gnAn binA dhyAn kaise hogA? sachchA mArga batAnevAle milanA mushkil hai. jIvako karanA hotA hai, lekin jAnatA nahIn.

... puruShArtha chAlU kiyA to abhI mujhe pUchhate hain, Ap.. bhUmikA kitanI vikasIt ho jAy, kitane sAl ho gaye. usake pahale jignAsAkI bhUmikA thI. .. umramen jignAsAkI bhUmikA thI. mainne kahA, pratham bhUmikA to vikaT hI hotI hai. ... phir ek prashnake bAd dUsarA prashna. chhoTIpIparamen charaparAIke (liye) ghisanA hI paDe. chaneko seke to andarase svAd Aye. bArambAr usake pIchhe paDanA chAhiye. pIchhe paDe binA kuchh hotA nahIn. ...

hindustAnamen sab muni bhI kriyAmen paDe the. sab kitane... mArgake liye prayatna karatA hai. puruShArtha kare to andar vishvAs to Aye ki sachche dev-guru mile aur mArga hamen andarase sachchA milA hai. ruchi sachchI hai. itanA bhI santoSh (ho). ye to koI santoSh nahIn, abhI bhI gote hI khAte hain. ... dukh lage to apanI or jAya.

mumukShu- dukh lagatA hai isaliye svarUpakI ruchi shurU huyI?

samAdhAna- hAn, ruchi shurU huyI.

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mumukShu- kyonki vibhAvakI ruchimen dukh nahIn lagatA thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, usamen dukh nahIn lagatA thA. svabhAvakI ruchi ..

mumukShu- yah usakA dUsarA pahalU hai.

samAdhAna- svabhAvakI ruchi hotI hai to usamen dukh lagatA hI hai.

mumukShu- dukh lagatA hai kyonki svabhAvakI ruchi shurU huyI.

samAdhAna- .. vedan ho bAdamen alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. parantu pahale to use ruchi ho isaliye dukh to laganA chAhiye. phir kitanA lage, vah usakI ugratA par nirbhar karatA hai. kahAn-kahAn bechAronne mArga mAn liyA ho, aisA ho jAtA hai. panchamakAlake mahAbhAgya, gurudevane yah mArga batAyA. bAkI sab kahAn-kahAn aTake the.

mumukShu- vah kahe, hamen sachche guruko pahichAnanA kaise? Ap bArambAr kahate ho... Ankhamen Ansu A gaye the.

samAdhAna- ek sadaguru milane chAhiye. deshanAlabdhimen aisA AtA hai. ek bAr pratyakSha guru yA dev, sajIvanamUrti mile to jIv andarase jAgRut hotA hai. aisA upAdAn- nimittakA sambandha hai.

samAdhAna- .. unake gIt aur sab,.. sabakA hRudayakA bhed ho jAy aisA to unakA vairAgya thA. AtmA kitanA andar samIp ho gayA hai. gurudev bhI kahate the ki ... mokShagAmI ho. gurudev kahate the. log kuchh samajhe nahIn.

mumukShu- aise harigIt banAye hain.

samAdhAna- samayasArakI, samavasaraNakI, vah mAnastambhakI. unako ruchatA nahIn thA phir bhI harigIt kaisA banAyA hai! ek sanskRit TIkA nahIn hai, isaliye merese yah nahIn ho rahA hai. TIkA sanskRit...

.. baiThe the aur himmatabhAI gAte the. himmatabhAI kyA gAte the! aise bhAvase gAte ho na, isaliye gurudevako aisA lagatA. hIrAbhAIke bangalemen... himmatabhAI naukarI karate the. kyA karen? Ap to vahAn naukarI (karate ho), nahIn to Ap jaiseko to yahIn rakh len. samayasAr bhI nahIn likhA thA. usase pahale bhI, ... Ap jaiseko to yahAn rakh lenA chAhiye.

mumukShu- anubhav kaise ho?

samAdhAna- AtmAkA svarUp pahichAnakar AtmA bhinna hai, usakA bhedagnAn karake gnAyakako pahichAnakar usamen ekAgratA ho, ekAgratAkI visheShatA ho vah dhyAn hai. dhyAn yAnI ekAgratA. AtmAko pahichAnakar bhedagnAn karake usamen ekAgratA, ekadam ugra ekAgratA karanese svAnubhUti (hotI hai).

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mumukShu- ekAgratA aise to nahIn ho jAtI na? bahut barasonkA abhyAs ho, dhyAnakA Alamban ho, bAdamen hotA hai na? bolanese yA kahanese to nahIn hotA na?

samAdhAna- ekAgratA hai vahI dhyAn hai. usakA ugra abhyAs karanese hotA hai. usakI ugratA ho to bahut jIvonko antarmuhUrtamen hotA hai. kisIko abhyAs karate-karate barason nikal jAte hain. aur kisIko thoDe mahinommen ho jAtA hai. usakA abhyAs jaisI ugratA ho us anusAr hotA hai.

mumukShu- bahinajI! abhI Apane kahA ki anubhUtise jAtismaraN hotA hai. parantu jAtismaraN gnAn to hamane bahutonke viShayamen sunA hai ki unako bachapanamen huA.

samAdhAna- anubhUtise hotA hai aise nahIn, anubhUtise hotA hai aise nahIn hotA hai. anubhUti nahIn bhI ho to bhI jAtismaraN to bahutonko hotA hai. bahutonko hotA hai. parantu bhavakA abhAv to anubhUtise hotA hai.

mumukShu- hAn, vah to ThIk hai.

samAdhAna- anubhUti ho vahAn yah gnAn hotA hI hai aisA niyam nahIn hai. anubhUti nahIn hove to bhI vah gnAn to bahutonko hotA hai. bahutonko hotA hai. anubhUtike sAth vah hotA hai to hotA hai.

mumukShu- ... vaise to ham sab dharmamen jAy to aisA lage ki sabhI dhamAmen ...man ho jAya. koI dUsare derAsaramen jAyen to vahAn bhI Dhok denekA man ho. .. vahAn jAye to vahAn bhI aisA hotA hai. aisA hotA hai ki satya kyA hai? vah samajhamen nahIn AtA. jahAn jAye vahAn Dhok denekA man ho. vaiShNavake mandiramen jAyen to aisA ho ki ye bhagavAn hain to inako bhI...

samAdhAna- andar nakkI nahIn huA ho isaliye.

mumukShu- .. sachche dev-guru-shAstra yahI hai, aisA nirNay nahIn hai.

mumukShu- isaliye jahAn bhI jAye vahAn sab bhagavAn .. lage isaliye har jagah (mAthA TikA dete hain). usake liye karanA kyA?

samAdhAna- muktikA mArga kyA hai? AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. AtmA bhinna hai. sharIr tattva bhinna hai aur AtmA bhinna hai. AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, AtmA gnAyak hai. AtmAmen Ananda hai. ye vibhAv vikalpa hai vah AtmAkA svarUp nahIn hai. aisA AtmAkA svarUp jo batAte hon aur aisA bhedagnAnakA mArga jo spaShTa karake batAte hon, vah dev-guru-shAstra sachche hain. unhonne jaisI sAdhanA kI ho, vah dev, vah guru aur vah shAstra sachche hain.

AtmAkA svarUp pahichAnanemen jo nimitta banate hain, jo sAdhanAmen nimitta bane. hotA

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hai apane upAdAn hai, parantu usamen jo nimitta ho, vahI sachche dev, vahI sachche guru aur vahI shAstra hai. bAkI Upar-Uparase to lage ki sab dharmakI bAt (karate hain). parantu andar AtmAkA svarUp kyA hai? AtmA bhinna, andar AtmA vikalpase bhinha, atanr AtmAmen svAnubhUti ho, kis mArgase hotI hai? vah sab kisane pragaT kiyA hai? jisane pragaT kiyA ho aur jo mArga batAte ho, vah dev, vah guru aur vah shAstra (hain). vah hone chAhiye.

use dRuDhatA aisI ho ki satya kyA hai? is jagatamen satya kyA hai? sachchA svarUp kyA hai? kis mArgase AtmAko mukti mile aur AtmAkA svabhAv aur svabhAvamense shAnti mile? aisI dRuDhatA karake phir AtmAkA sachchA svarUp hai. AtmAkA svarUp jo batAte ho, vah sachche dev-guru-shAstra hain.

aur bhavakA ant karaneke liye AtmAko pahichAnanA, AtmAkA abhyAs karanA. usake liye abhyAs, shAstrakA vAnchan, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. lekin vah dev kaun? guru kaun? usakI pahichAn karanI paDe. aur AtmAkA svarUp gnAyak-jAnanevAlA hai. use spaShTarUpase batAnevAlA hai? jo spaShTa batAye aur usakI jisane sAdhanA kI, vahI dev-guru-shAstra (sachche hain). aur andar AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. ye sab AkulatA svarUp hai bAhar to. antaramen sukh hai, antaramen shAnti hai. antar dRuShTi karake AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA.

mumukShu- ..Apake darshan karatI rahatI hUn. shAnti lagatI hai.

samAdhAna- puruShArtha svayamko karanA hai. puruShArtha manda hai. mArga gurudevane batAyA, usakI ruchi ho. parantu puruShArtha to svayamko karanA hai. usIkA abhyAs karate rahanA, bArambAr AtmAko pahichAnanekA. AtmA gnAyak hai. pratikShaN usakA chintavan karanA. gurudevane kahA na? chhoTIpIparako ghisane par andarase charaparAI (pragaT hotI hai). AtmAkA jo svarUp hai usakA abhyAs karatA rahe. AtmAkA svarUp gnAyak hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna kare. usakI lagan lagAnI. kAnch kaun hai aur hIrA aur ratna Adi kyA hai? usakI parIkShA karanI paDe. svayam vichAr karake nakkI kare. bAharamen to kare, parantu antaramen karanekA hai. AtmA kaun hai? use darshAnevAle kaun hai?

gurudevane koI apUrva svarUp batAyA hai. aur andar AtmA bhI apUrva aur AtmA anupam hai. use pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. manan, chintavan, usakI mahimA Adi (karate rahanA). puruShArthakI mandatA (hai). utanI taiyArI na ho isaliye ye sab sAdhan dikhAI dete hain, vahAn ruchi ho jAtI hai. vahAn aise sAdhan nahIn hote. isaliye usIkA bArambAr gholan karate rahanA.

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(ananta kAlamen aisA) manuShya bhav mile, usamen aise guru milanA mahA durlabh hai, is panchamakAlamen sachchA mArga batAnevAle. mArga gurudevane batAyA. antaramense svayam ruchi karake, nakkI karake puruShArtha karane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevako dekhe to aisA ho ki das sAl tak,.. gurudevakA svAsthya to apanese bhI achchhA hai. to apane do-pAnch sAl khInchate hain, aur phir ArAmase baiThenge. aisA kar-karake ham rah gaye.

samAdhAna- jignAsuko aise vAde nahIn hote.

mumukShu- vahI kahatA hUn, usImen pIchhe rah gaye. isIliye abhI dukh hotA hai.

samAdhAna- ab usakA smaraN, raTan karate rahanA, gurudevane batAyA usakA.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen sanskArakI bAten bahut AyI hain. sanskAr kaise Dale?

samAdhAna- bArambAr usakA abhyAs karate rahanA. bArambAr jo gurudevane mArga batAyA usakA bArambAr chintavan, usakA manan, usakI mahimA, usakI lagan, bArambAra. satsang, shravaN, manan bArambAr (karanA). jaise chhAchhamen makkhana. use bilote-bilote makkhan bAhar AtA hai. bArambAr usakA manthan karate rahanA. jo gurudevane batAyA usakA.

bArambAr puruShArtha (karanA), main chaitanya bhinna hUn, yah bhinna hai. parantu usake liye kitanI taiyArI karanI, bArambAr usakA (prayatna kare). bAharake nimitta dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya mile, unakA satsang, shravaN, manan vah sab bArambAr karate rahanA. to bArambAr usake sanskAr dRuDh ho. ruchiko bArambAr tIvra ho aisA karate rahanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai. puruShArtha karake badalate rahanA. bArambAr vah karate rahanA. jitanA samay mile utanA karate rahanA.

mumukShu- gurudevakI Tep, yahI vAnchan, yahI karatI hUn. phir bhI mujhe aisA lagatA hai ki... Apake darshan karatI rahatI hUn.

samAdhAna- puruShArtha svayamko karanekA hai. puruShArtha manda hai. mArga gurudevane batAyA usakI ruchi ho, parantu puruShArtha svayamko karanA hai. usIkA abhyAs karate rahanA, bArambAr AtmAko pahichAnanekA. AtmA gnAyak hai. pratikShaN usakA chintavan karanA. gurudevane kahA na? chhoTIpIparako ghisane par andar.. vaise AtmAkA jo svarUp hai usakA abhyAs karate rahanA. AtmAkA svarUp gnAyak hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. usakI lagan lagAnI.