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samAdhAna- ... sharIr bhinna, bhinna tattva, andar vibhAvaparyAy vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhinna AtmAkA svabhAv hai, usakA bhedagnAn karake gnAyakako pahachAnanA vahI hai.

mumukShu- ... bahut kam TikatA hai na? vah Tikaneke liye kyA karanA? gnAyakako hI gney banA de, vah kaise karanA? vah chAbI batAIye Apa.

samAdhAna- usakI lagan lage, usakI jignAsA jAge, puruShArtha bArambAr-bArambAr usakI or jAya. vichAr kare andar kI ye jo gnAyak jAnanevAlA hai vahI main hUn. andar jo vichAr Ate hain ki yah gnAn hai, darshan hai, chAritra hai, aise guNabhedake vichAr bhI Aye. parantu main to ek akhaNDa gnAyak hUn. usamen Tikaneke liye, na Tike to bArambAr usakA vichAr kare, bArambAr abhyAs kare. abhyAs karate-karate andar jo svabhAv hai vah grahaN hotA hai ki ye gnAnasvabhAv hai vahI main hUn. gnAyak svabhAv jo dikhe, rAgake sAth mishratA dikhatI hai, lekin vah gnAn bhinna hai. gnAn jo dikhatA hai vah dravyake AdhArase hai. dravyake AdhArase vah svabhAv hai. vahAn usakI dRuShTi jAy to vah grahaN ho.

mumukShu- bhAvak, bhAvakarUpase TikatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- bhAvak svayam TikatA nahIn hai, puruShArthase Tike. chhAchhamen makkhan mishra hotA hai. lekin usakA manthan karate-karate bhinna paDatA hai. vaise anAdise bhrAnti aisI ho rahI hai ki mAno main vibhAvake mishra ho gayA. parantu anAdise tattva to bhinna hI hai. lekin bhrAntike kAraN mishra bhAsatA hai. bArabAr svabhAvako grahaN karake, main bhinna hUn, aisI dRuShTi kare, aisI pratIt kare to us or pariNati-lInatA pragaT ho. aisA svayamko puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. vah na ho tabatak, makkhan bhinna na paD jAy tab tak bArambAr- bArambAr usakA abhyAs, manthan karate hI rahanA hai.

mumukShu- isaliye aisA hI karatA rahatA hUn ki pramatta nahIn hUn, apramatta nahIn hUn. main ek gnAyakabhAv hUn.

samAdhAna- pramatta bhI nahIn hai, apramatta bhI nahIn hai, ek gnAyakabhAv hai. dRuShTi

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to AchAryadevane batAyI ki chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen munirAj kundakundAchArya jhulate the. to bhI kahate hain ki ye pramattadashA yA apramattadashA, donon dashAse bhinna main to ek gnAyak hUn. donon paryAyake bhed hain. dRuShTi to vahAn karanI hai.

AchAryadev samyagdarshanakI bhUmikAse Age gaye. chAritrakI bhUmikA, munikI dashAmen hain. chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen unhen bArambAr svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. nirvikalpa dashA munirAjako, kundakundAchAryako, jo munirAjonko chhaThave-sAtaven guNasthAnamen antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtake kAlamen kShaN-kShaNamen svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. kShaNamen antaramen Aye, kShaNamen bAhar Aye. kShaNamen antaramen jAy, kShaNamen bAhar Ate hain. bAhar Aye tab shubhake vichAr Ate hain, yA shAstra likhanekA, yA devakA, yA gurukA.

mumukShu- un sabako vikalpa kahate hain?

samAdhAna- vah vikalpa hain. bAhar Aye vah vikalpa hai. hAn. jo shubhabhAv Aye vah vikalpa hain. aur antaramen vikalpa chhUTakar nirvikalpa dashA (hotI hai), vikalpa chhUT jAy aur antaramen nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai tab koI vikalpa nahIn rahate.

mumukShu- vikalpa hai vahI kartA hai, vikalpa hI karma hai. amRutachandrAchAryadevane kahA hai na? vikalpa kartA, vikalpa karma, ek shlok hai.

samAdhAna- vikalpa kartA, vikalpa karma, sab vikalpa hai. parantu us vikalpase chhUTakar antaramen jAy, vahAn unhen svAnubhUti hotI hai. to vah nirvikalpa dashA hai. vah nirvikalpa dashA shUnya nahIn hai. parantu vah andar svabhAvase labAlab bharA hai.

mumukShu- vah TikatI hai?

samAdhAna- hAn. vah Tike. unhen antarmuhUrta dashA TikatI hai. phir bAhar Ate hain. antarmuhUrta yAnI amuk kShaN TikatI hai. phir bAhar Ate hain. vikalpamen phir bAhar Aye vahAn shAstrake, guruke, devake aise vikalpa (Ate hain). munirAjako to aise vikalpa (hote haiain). gRuhasthAshramamen ho, use anek jAtake vikalpa (Ate hain). munirAjako to dev-guru-shAstrakA (vikalpa AtA hai).

mumukShu- munirAjase Age...?

samAdhAna- munidashAse Age jAy to use kevalagnAn ho jAya.

mumukShu- vah nirvikalpa dashA.

samAdhAna- basa. munidashAmen kShaN-kShaNamen nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai. svAnubhUti. aur us nirvikalpa dashAmen yadi Tik jAy, nirvikalpa dashA kShaNamAtra hotI hai, kShaNamen bAhar Ate hain. svAnubhUti kShaNamen ho aur kShaNamen bAhar Aye. to yadi ve svAnubhUtimen aise hI shAshvat Tik jAy to kevalagnAn ho jAtA hai. to pUrNa-pUrNa dashA parAkAShTA (ho

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jAtI hai). phir usase Age (koI dashA) nahIn hai. pUrNa AnandasAgaramen Dole aur kevalagnAn pragaT ho jAy ki jo lokAlokakA gnAn (karatA hai). vahAn jAnane nahIn jAtA, parantu sahaj jAnanemen A jAtA hai. vah dashA pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- jo kShaN-kShaNamen vikalpamen Aye, nirvikalpamen chale jAy, use kevalagnAn kShaNamen... jis kShaN nirvikalpa dashAmen ho us vakta kevalagnAn hotA hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, us samay kevalagnAn nahIn hotA hai. nirvikalpa dashAke samay (nahIn hotA). kevalagnAn to jo pUrNa vItarAg ho use kevalagnAn hotA hai. jisakI dashA bAhar AnekI hotI hai, use kevalagnAn nahIn hotA. use matignAn, shrutagnAn hotA hai. kisIko avadhignAn, kisIko manaparyayagnAn aisA hotA hai. parantu kevalagnAn to jo vItarAgI hote hain, unako hI kevalagnAn hotA hai.

mumukShu- to phir vah to bArahavenke bAd hI Aye na?

samAdhAna- bArahaven guNasthAnake bAd kevalagnAn hotA hai. parantu chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen munidashAmen jhulate hon, usamen shreNi lagA de. lekin vah shreNI aisI hotI hai ki antarmuhUrtamen do ghaDImen use pUrNa anubhav ho jAtA hai. ye Anshik hai. muniko visheSh anubhav (hai). aur gRuhasthAshramamen jo samyagdRuShTi ho, jise samyagdarshan ho, use svAnubhUti koI-koI bAr hotI hai. aur muniko kShaN-kShaNamen svAnubhUti hotI hai. muniko jaldI-jaldI hotI hai. aur gRuhasthAshramamen samyagdRuShTi ho, use AtmAkI svAnubhUti hotI hai. jise samyagdarshan ho (use). parantu use svAnubhUti kabhI-kabhI hotI hai. aur jo muni hote hain, unako jaldI- jaldI hotI hai. aur jise kevalagnAn hotA hai, use Tik jAtA hai.

mumukShu- gRuhasthIko jo samyagdarshan hotA hai, vah pratyakSha hotA hai ki parokSha hotA hai?

samAdhAna- samyagdRuShTiko? kevalagnAnakI apekShAse vah parokSha hai, parantu usakA vedan jo svAnubhUti hai, use vedan to pratyakSha hai. use svAnubhUti aisI hotI hai ki kisIko pUchhanA na paDe. use AtmAmen aisA hI hotA hai ki, yahI svAnubhUti hai. use Anshik, jo siddha bhagavAnako pUrNa AtmAkA svAd, AtmAkA anubhav pUrNa hotA hai, usakA ansh use pragaT hotA hai, pUrNa nahIn hai. jaise dUjakA chandramA hotA hai vah pUrA hotA hai, parantu usakI dUj ugatI hai. vaise samyagdRuShTiko ek ansh pragaT hotA hai. Anshik svAnubhUti hotI hai. pUrNa svAnubhUti nahIn hai. AnandakA sAgar pUrNa ho usamen-se use ansh pragaT hotA hai, gRuhasthAshramamen.

mumukShu- us anshako pUrNa banAnA ho to..

samAdhAna- hAn, to bArambAr-bArambAr usakI svAnubhUti (karatA hai).

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mumukShu- gRuhasthAshramamen gir jAy, samyagdarshanamen-se mithyAdarshanI ho jAy, ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- koI ho jAtA hai. koI palaT jAy, puruShArtha manda ho jAy to puna mithyAdarshan ho jAya. parantu jise puruShArtha ekadam tIvra ho, use palaTatA nahIn.

mumukShu- rAjachandrajIne kahA hai ki ek bAr yadi samyagdarshan huA to vah giratA nahIn.

samAdhAna- hAn, bahubhAg nahIn giratA. giratA nahIn hai usakA artha kyA?

mumukShu- use pandrah bhavamen jAnA hI paDe.

samAdhAna- ekabAr jise samyagdarshan hotA hai, vah pandrah bhavamen avashya mokSha jAtA hai. vah giratA nahIn hai, usake liye. aur usase jyAdA bAr gir jAy to ardha pudagal parAvartan kAlamen to avashya mokShamen jAtA hai. ek bAr jise samyagdarshan hotA hai vaha. isaliye vah to ardha pudagal parAvartana. aur jo nahIn giratA hai, vah pandrah bhavamen jAtA hai. aur jo gir jAtA hai ardha pudgalaparAvartanen, phirase use pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShu- pandrah bhav karanA hI paDe, aisA hai? do-tIn bhavamen...

samAdhAna- nahIn, karanA hI paDe aisA nahIn. use jyAdA-se jyAdA pandrah bhav hote hain. aur usase puruShArtha adhik chal jAy to tIn bhavamen jAy, koI ek bhavamen jAya.

mumukShu- ek bhavamen jA sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, jA sakatA hai, jA sakatA hai. yah panchamakAl hai, isaliye yahAn kevalagnAn abhI nahIn hai. isaliye ek bhav devakA karake, phir manuShyakA bhav hokar phir mokShamen jAya. aur yahAn jab mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayakA chaturtha kAl thA, us vakta to usI bhavamen bhI hotA thA. lekin abhI yah aisA duShamakAl hai. svayam puruShArtha utanA utpanna nahIn kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- duShamakAlamen dharmadhyAn yA shukladhyAn nahIn ho sakatA.

samAdhAna- nahIn, dharmadhyAn ho sakatA hai, shukladhyAn nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- nahIn hotA?

samAdhAna- shukladhyAn nahIn hotA. dharmadhyAn hotA hai. samyagdarshan ho, munidashA ho, parantu kevalagnAn nahIn hotA. abhI shukladhyAn nahIn hai.

mumukShu- shukladhyAn kevalagnAnIko hI hotA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, jise kevalagnAn pragaT ho...

mumukShu- muniko nahIn hotA?

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samAdhAna- muniko dharmadhyAn hotA hai. shukladhyAnake do bhAg hain-ek pratham bhAg aur ek dUsarA bhAga. dUsarA bhAg shukladhyAnakA ekadam ujjaval hotA hai. jise kevalagnAn hotA hai usIko shukladhyAn hotA hai. aur ye samyagdarshan to gRuhasthAshramamen hotA hai. aur usakI svAnubhUti, samyagdarshan vah giratA nahIn hai to pandrah bhavamen, tIsare bhavamen aise jAtA hai.

mumukShu- gurudev kahate hain na ki samyagdarshanake bAd hI dharma shurU hotA hai. jain kise kahate hain? jise samyagdarshan huA ho vaha.

samAdhAna- samyagdarshan huA ho vahI sachchA jain kahalAtA hai. sachchA jainatva tab kahanemen AtA hai. samyagdarshan na ho tabatak bhAvanA kare, vichAr kare ki main gnAyak hUn, ye svarUp merA nahIn hai. usakA bhedagnAn kare. yah sharIr main nahIn hUn, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. yah gnAn, darshan, chAritra aise vikalpa bIchamen Aye, lekin ye sab bIchamen rAg hai. us rAgase bhI main bhinna chaitanya akhaNDa dravya hUn. is prakAr apane gnAyakakA astitva bhinna vichAre. gnAyakake andar ananta guN hain. usakI paryAyen pariNamatI hai. aisA usakA svabhAv (hai). usakA vichAr kare, usakA nirNay kare. jabatak pragaT na ho, tabatak usakA vichAr, vAnchan, mahimA, lagan karatA rahe. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, jabatak na ho tabatak karatA rahe.

mumukShu- samayasAr to mujhe nishchitarUpase lagA ki, samyagdarshan na ho tabatak vah samajhamen Aye aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- apanI pariNati pragaT ho, bhedagnAn, svAnubhUti use samyagdarshan kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- mithyAdarshanako nikAlanA vah samyagdarshana.

samAdhAna- samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai, isaliye mithyAdarshan chalA jAtA hai. vah to AmanesAmane hai. ... alag vastu hai. shAstrase vichAr kare vah alag bAt hai. antaramen pariNati pragaT karanI, vah alag vastu hai.

mumukShu- gnAnakA artha hI gurudevane itanA sundar samajhAyA hai. gnAn mAne kyA? shAstronkA gnAn vah gnAn hI nahIn hai. AtmAkA pariNaman vah gnAn hai. us gnAnamen pariName vah..

samAdhAna- ... gnAn to antaramen (hotA hai vah hai). .. usake sab kram Ate hain. guNakI bhUmikA. samyagdarshan, usake bAd usamen adhik lInatA ho to pAnchavI bhUmikA Aye, phir chhaThThIs-sAtavIn bhUmikA munionkI Aye, aise-aise andar shreNi baDhatI jAy, samyagdarshanake bAd usakI chAritradashA antarakI svAnubhUti

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baDhatI jAtI hai, aise.

mumukShu- phir bhI un sabako jaDamen DAl diyA.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah AtA hai. vah jaDamen (kahA), parantu...

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- dRuShyi yathArtha kar, gnAn yathArtha kara. parantu bIchamen puruShArtha karanekA to AtA hai. anAdiananta shAshvat dravya hai, us dravyake andar kuchh malinatA nahIn huyI hai yA apUrNa-pUrNakI apekShA nahIn hai. guNasthAn sab jaD hai, aisA AchAryadev kahate hain. parantu terI sAdhanAmen bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahate.

nishchay aur vyavahArakI sandhi aisI hai ki use sulajhAnA, vah to usakI yathArtha dRuShTi ho to sulajhA sakatA hai. use jaD kahA aur tere chaitanyamen andarakI anubhUti hotI hai. tere andar chAritradashA AtI hai, aisA kahA. chAritrakA vikalpa Aye vah sab vibhAv hai, aisA kahA. mati-shrutagnAn, avadhi, manaparyay vah sab gnAnake bhed hain. vah bhed bhI terA pUrNa svarUp nahIn hai. tU to gnAyak hai. phir bIchamen bhed to Ate hain. matignAn ho, shrutagnAn ho, kevalagnAn ho, sab hotA hai. phir kahate hain ki tU kevalagnAn par dRuShTi mat karanA. kevalagnAn to ek paryAy hai. isaliye tU akhaNDa par dRuShTi kara. lekin vah pragaT hue binA rahatA nahIn. nishchay-vyavahArakI aisI sandhi hai. dRuShTi to akhaNDa dravya par kar, parantu bIchamen gnAnakI parAkAShTA to pragaT hotI hai. usakA gnAn kara. pratIti yathArtha kar, usakA gnAn kar ki aise paryAyake bhed andar pragaT hote hain.

mumukShu- kyonki AtmA ananta dharmAtmak hai. isaliye vyavahAranay aur dravyanay, vah to sAthamen rahenge hI.

samAdhAna- hAn, vyavahAr to paryAyakA bhed hai, vah sAthamen hotA hai, usakA gnAn kara. paryAyake jo bhed hai,.. kyA dravya ananta kahA?

mumukShu- dharmAtmaka. AtmA ananta dharmAtmak...

samAdhAna- hAn, hAn, ananta dharmAtmaka. ananta dharma AtmAmen hain, usakA gnAn kara. parantu tU aise vikalpa karatA rah ki ye gnAn hai, ye darshan hai, ye chAritra hai, yah hai, yah hai. aise tU usakA gnAn kar, parantu vikalpamen rukanese to rAg hotA hai. isaliye tU dRuShTi nirvikalpa par kara. parantu nirvikalpa dashA pragaT nahIn huyI hai isaliye vikalpa to bIchamen Ate hain, isaliye usakA gnAn barAbar kara. isaliye usamen guN nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. usamen gnAn hai, darshan hai, chAritra hai, sab hai. parantu vah abhed hai, aise. usamen koI TUkaDe nahIn hain.

mumukShu- jIvanamen ye do vastu to rahegI.

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samAdhAna- vah hai. parantu usake TUkaDe, usake bhed-TUkaDe nahIn karanA. hai to sahI, lekin TUkaDA nahIn karanA.

mumukShu- parantu dRuShTi us par..

samAdhAna- dRuShTi akhaNDa par rakhanI. ek Am ho, vah harA hai, pIlA hai yA khaTTA hai, yA mIThA hai, un sabakA tU gnAn kar, parantu vah to ek akhaNDa vastu hai. usamen koI TUkaDe nahIn hai. rasakA yA rangakA TUkaDA nahIn hotA. vah sab to akhaNDa hai. aise tU guNakA gnAn kara. usamen bhed karake usamen rukanA mata. rukanese to rAg hogA. ... mIThA hai, dUdh aisA hai. vaise AtmA gnAn hai, AtmAmen darshan hai, AtmAmen chAritra hai. aise sab vichAr kar, lekin vah sab to ekamen hai. rAgako jaD kah diyA. aur ek bAr kahA, terI apanI paryAyamen hotA hai. donon apekShA (samajhanI chAhiye).

mumukShu- samayasAramen bahut bAr ulajh jAte hain. ek bAr jaDamen rakhA, ek bAr (kahA) jIvakA hI bhAv hai vaha. shAntise use... na baiThe to use pakaD nahIn pAte.

samAdhAna- vaise sphaTik nirmal hai. usamen pratibimb uThate hain. vaise AtmA nirmal hai, usamen pratibimb lAl-pIle uThate hain, vah nimitta orase hai. nimitta-orase vibhAv ho vah tere puruShArthakI mandatAse (hotA hai). dravya AtmA to nirmal hai. aise AtmAmen guNake bhed paDe ki AtmA gnAn hai. vah to vibhAvakA bhed paDA. lekin jaise sphaTik shvet hai, sphaTik prakAshavAlA hai. aise AtmA nirmal hai, AtmA gnAnamay hai. dravyamen hI, terI vastumen bhed paDA. usamen tU akhaNDa dRuShTi kara. vah to rAgakA bhed paDA. rAgako jaD kahA, ye to guNakA bhed paDA. usamen bhI terI dRuShTi to akhaNDa par kara.

aise guNasthAnakA bhed paDA. kevalagnAn, matignAn, shrutagnAn vah sab gnAn to AtmAmen pragaT hote hain. to usamen bhed par dRuShTi nahIn karanA, dRuShTi akhaNDa par tU kara. lekin gnAn sabakA kara. vah nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi aisI hai ki usamen barAbar samajhe to (samajhamen Aye). aisA hai.

mumukShu- bahut ulajh jAy aisA hai. hamAre jaise usamen bahut ulajh jAte hain. parantu jAnanevAlA use usake guNase jAnatA nahIn, yahAn rakhA ho to kAlA lage, yahAn rakho to alag lage.

samAdhAna- alag lage, kAlA lage, lAl lage. usakI dRuShTi sthUl hai. jisakI dRuShTi AtmA par hai, use AtmA sphaTik jaisA lagatA hai. dUsaronko rAgI, dveShI, krodhI lagatA hai. bhedagnAn kare vah to kahe, main to bhinna hUn. lekin vah hotA hai, vah sirpha jaD nahIn hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. parantu merA svabhAv nahIn hai. merA svabhAv usase bhinna hai. use jAnatA hai ki yah hotA hai. mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai, use toDanekA

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prayatna karatA hai. yadi bilakUl jaDamen DAl de to phir puruShArtha kis bAtakA? jaDamen DAl do to aisA ho.

main sphaTikakI bhAnti bhinna hUn. parantu ye jo rAg khaDA hai vah meremen nahIn hai. lekin mere puruShArthakI mandatAse khaDA rahatA hai. isaliye merI pariNit puruShArtha karanekA bAkI rahatA hai.