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samAdhAna- .. tab aisA ho ki gurudevakA janma-divas Aye to kyA karen? jitanA karen utanA kam hai. bhagavAnake aur sabake janma kalyAN manAte hain. chait shukla- 13 AtI hai. vaise gurudev is panchamakAlamen janme, unakA janma-din bhI aisA hI mangalakArI hai. sabako...

mumukShu- AtA hai na? dravya mangal, kShetra mangal, kAl mangala.

samAdhAna- hAn, dravya mangal, kShetra mangal, kAl mangal, bhAv mangal, sab mangal hai. is panchamakAlamen bhAvi tIrthankarakA dravya mAne jitanA karen utanA kam hai. aur is panchamakAlamen Akar vANIkI varShA barasAyI hai. bhagavAn jaisA kArya kiyA hai. nirantar vANI barasAyI hai. bhagavAnakI jaise niyamitarUpase vANI barasA karatI hai, vaise gurudevakI vANI barasatI rahatI thI. ... gurudevane mArgakA parivartan kiyA. vichAr karake yah sachchA lagA, isaliye hIrAbhAIke bangalemen (parivartan kiyA).

mumukShu- chAr dinake bAd chait shukla-13 hai.

samAdhAna- hAn. .. svIkAr kiyA thA, lekin bAharase.

samAdhAna- .. us gnAyak AtmAmen sab bharapUr bharA hai. vahI mahimAvant hai. aise bArambAr usakA abhyAs, usakA vichAr, chintavan, manan (karate rahanA). bAharamen to shrAvakonko dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA hotI hai. antaramen chaitanya kaise pahachAnamen Aye, chaitanyakI mahimA, AtmAkI mahimA karane jaisI hai. usakA bhedagnAn kaise ho, usakA svabhAv kaise pahachAnamen Aye? gnAyakasvarUp AtmAmen hI shAnti bharI hai, usImen Ananda hai. bAharako sab vikalpa to AkulatArUp hai.

mumukShu- shAnti hI lagatI hai.

samAdhAna- shAnti lage aisA hai.

mumukShu- visheSh to bhedagnAn...

samAdhAna- bhedagnAnake binA to... yathArtha shAnti to bhedagnAn karake, nirvikalpa anubhav ho tab hI kharI shAnti, kharA Ananda to tabhI svAnubhUtimen AtA hai. bAkI u pahale usakI shraddhA kare, bhedagnAn kare, pratIt kare. bhedagnAnamen Anshik shAnti (lagatI

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hai). bAkI to svAnubhUtikI shAnti apUrva hai, vah Ananda apUrva hai. kharA Ananda to svAnubhUtimen hai. bhedagnAnamen gnAyakako bhinna kare to usamen amuk prakArase shAnti hai. bAkI vikalpakI ekatvatA vah sab to AkulatA hai.

mumukShu- dUsarA koI vikalpa na kare aur main chaitanya hI hUn, aisA kare to?

samAdhAna- vikalpa na kare to (aisA nahIn hotA), vikalpa Aye binA rahate hI nahIn. main chaitanya hUn, vah bhI ek shubhabhAvakA vikalpa hai. vikalpa na kare (aise nahIn hotA). pahale vikalpa nahIn chhUTate, vikalpase main bhinna hUn, aisI shraddhA-pahale to pratIt ho, pahale to bhedagnAn ho, bAdamen vikalpa chhUTate hain. vikalpa na karen to? vikalpa to bIchamen Ate hain. usakI kartAbuddhi toDanI hai. main gnAyak hUn, main koI vibhAvakA kartA nahIn hUn. main chaitanya gnAyak hUn. parantu vibhAv pariNati to bIchamen AtI hai. main chaitanya hUn, gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn sab vikalpa hai.

mumukShu- to phir andarakI shAnti nahIn kahalAtI?

samAdhAna- andarakI shAnti kahalAtI. gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, aise shubhabhAvake kAraN mandatA ho, AkulatA kam ho, isaliye usakI shAnti lage. parantu vah koI antar svabhAvakI shAnti nahIn hai. vikalpa manda hue, shubhabhAv kaShAy manda huA, shubhabhAvakA Ashray liyA isaliye shAnti lage. aprashastamen-se prashastamen AyA-dev-guru-shAstramen use shAnti lage aur antaramen jAy, shrutakA chintavan kare ki main gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, aise vichAr kare to bhI use shAnti lage. lekin vah shAnti svabhAvakI shAnti nahIn hai.

svabhAvakI shAnti to bhedagnAn kare, yathArtha bhedagnAn kare, abhI to pahale shraddhA hotI hai, bhedagnAnakI pariNati yathArtha ho to usamen shAnti ho. Ananda to vikalpa chhUTakar nirvikalpa ho, tab vah Ananda AtA hai. abhI to gnAn, darshan, chAritra (Adi vikalpa) mishrit hai, vah koI nirvikalpa (dashA) nahIn hai.

mumukShu- isamen Ananda to AtA hai, bahut shAnti lagatI hai.

samAdhAna- vikalpa mishrit hai, shubhabhAvakA Ananda hai. prashasta bhAvakA Ananda hai. vah to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. jabatak AtmAkI nirvikalpa shAnti, Ananda nahIn AtA tabatak main gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, aise vikalpa Aye binA nahIn rahate. AchAryadev kahate hain ki main Age jAnekA kahatA hUn, vahAn aTakaneko nahIn kahate hain, use chhoDanekA nahIn kahate hain, parantu tU Age baDha. terA svabhAv to vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa AnandasvarUp hai, aisA kahate hain.

main gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, vah bIchamen AtA hai. lekin vah koI mUl

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svabhAv nahIn hai. bhinna chaitanya hUn. akhaNDa chaitanya par dRuShTiko sthApit karanI, bhedagnAnakA prayatna karanA, vah shAnti-svabhAvamen-se shAnti (AnekA upAy hai). abhI shAnti usamen pragaT nahIn huyI hai, parantu usakA bhedagnAn karanA vah usakA upAy hai. ye sab vichAr to bIchamen Ate hain-gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn. lekin usamen shAnti nahIn mAn lenA. vah koI svabhAvakI shAnti nahIn hai. vah to svabhAv pahachAnaneke liye bIchamen AtA hai. lekin main chaitanya hUn, gnAyak hUn, aisI dRuShTi karake yathArtha gnAyakako grahaN karanekA prayatna kare. gnAyak yathArthapane grahaN to bhedagnAn ho. gnAyakako grahaN kare, bhedagnAnakA prayatna karanA, yathArtha shAnti pragaT karaneke liye. antaramense sUkShma grahaN kare, AtmAkA svabhAv pahachAne to yathArtha shAnti ho. vah shAnti to vikalpa mishrit hai, vah vikalpa rahit shAnti nahIn hai. prashasta bhAv hai.

mumukShu- itanA kahAn mAlUm paDatA hai, AtmAkI shAnti to...?

samAdhAna- kyA?

mumukShu- chiDIyAko, menDhakako.

samAdhAna- use mAlUm paD jAtA hai. use gnAn, darshan, chAritrake nAm bhI nahIn Ate, nau tattvake nAm nahIn Ate. lekin yah gnAnasvabhAv main, yah hUn, aise use vichAr Ate hain. lekin vah samajhatA hai ki yah sab AkulatA hai, main usase bhinna chaitanya hUn. aise astitvako grahaN kar letA hai. use nAmakI jarUrat nahIn paDatI, bhAv grahaN kar letA hai.

use kahIn sukh nahIn hai, aise koI bhAv use pragaT hote hain. ye sab AkulatA hai. vibhAvonkI AkulatA bhAsyamAn hokar, andaramen-se aisA bhAvabhAsan ho jAtA hai ki main kaun hUn? aur yah sab kyA hai? merA svabhAv kyA? aur yah sab kyA hai? usamen-se use svabhAv grahaN ho jAtA hai ki yah chaitanya main hUn aur yah main nahIn hUn. aisA bhAvabhAsan ho jAtA hai. usamen svayamko grahaN kar letA hai. sUkShma-sUkShma bhAv bhI AkulatArUp hai aur vikalpa rahit merA AtmA vahI shAnti aur Ananda hai, aisI pratIti aur aisA bhAvabhAsan ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- manuShyase usakI shakti jyAdA hai?

samAdhAna- shakti jyAdA nahIn hai. use aise koI sanskAr (hote hain), pUrva bhavamen sunA hotA hai, usamen-se AtmA jAg uThatA hai. manuShyonkI shakti jyAdA hai, lekin jo puruShArtha kare use ho.

mumukShu- bhAvabhAsana.

samAdhAna- bhAvabhAsan hotA hai. use pUrvake sanskAr (hote hain), sunA hotA hai,

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koI guruke pAs, koI devake pAs sunA hotA hai, usamen-se use sanskAr jAg uThate hain.

mumukShu- pahale sunA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- pahale sunA hotA hai.

mumukShu- phir AyuShyakA bandha paD gayA ho, isaliye..

samAdhAna- isaliye tiryanch ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- vahAn phir aisA bhAv pragaT karatA hai.

samAdhAna- aisA bhAv pragaT kar letA hai.

mumukShu- kisIko abhyAs karanekI shakti ho, aur kisIko kam ho, use ruchikA bhAv ho, to use pakaD sakatA hai na?

samAdhAna- abhyAs karanekI arthAt shrutagnAn kam ho, aise. kisIko shAstrakA kam ho lekin bhAvabhAsan ho jAy ki main yah chaitanya hUn. lambe samay abhyAs karanA paDe aisA nahIn hotA, abhyAs karanekI shakti aise nahIn, kisIko lambA samay abhyAs karanA na paDe, ekadam puruShArtha utpanna ho jAya. kisIko lambe samay tak abhyAs kare to hotA hai. kisIko ekadam puruShArtha (utpanna ho jAtA hai). manda-manda puruShArtha kare to lambe samay abhyAs kare. ekadam puruShArtha utpanna ho to alpa samayamen ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- ekadam utpanna ho, usakA kAraN kyA?

samAdhAna- usakA kAraN svayamkI yogyatA. akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. chaitanyadravyakI aisI koI yogyatA use hotI hai ki use pragaT ho jAtA hai. kisIko andar..

samAdhAna- apanA puruShArtha kAraN hai. aisI svayamkI yogyatA, taiyArI apane kAraNase hai.

mumukShu- Atmadharmamen AyA ki kAraNamen, puruShArthamen.. tIn-chAr kAraN hain na? to vahAn kyA kAraN lenA? kAraNamen kuchh kachAs ho? puruShArthamen kachAs hai? ruchimen kachAs hai?

samAdhAna- use sabakI kachAs hai. Atmadharmamen...

mumukShu- andaramen kAraN to trikAlI hai na?

samAdhAna- hAn, svayam svayamkA kAraN hai. use bAharake kAraN-kAl, svabhAv, svabhAv to apanA hai, kAlalabdhi hai usamen puruShArtha sAthamen hotA hI hai. sabamen puruShArtha to sAthamen hotA hI hai. apanA puruShArtha kAraN bane. kShayopasham-vaisA ughAD ho, vaisA kAl pak gayA ho, aur nij puruShArthakA kAraN banatA hai. puruShArtha to sabamen hotA

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hI hai. puruShArthakI kachAsase sabamen kachAs hai. tU taiyAr ho aur terA puruShArtha taiyAr ho to sab kAraN prApta ho jAte hain. koI kAraN bAkI nahIn rahate. tere puruShArthakI kachAsase kachAs hai.

main puruShArtha karun aur kAl pakA nahIn hai, aur merA svabhAv nahIn hai yA mujhe kuchh sunane nahIn milA hai, deshanAlabdha nahIn huyI hai, koI kAraN tujhe bAkI nahIn rahenge. terA puruShArtha yadi jAgRut huA hogA to usamen sab kAraN tujhe prApta ho jAyenge. aur yadi tere puruShArthakI kachAs hai to dUsare kAraN honge to bhI puruShArthakI kachAs hogI to tujhe (prApta) nahIn hogA. puruShArthakI kachAsase sab kachAs hai.

tujhe yadi antaramen-se karanA ho to tujhe deshanA nahIn milI hai aur.. lekin main kiye binA rahUngA hI nahIn. (aisemen) deshanA prApta huyI hI hotI hai. jisake puruShArthakA utthAn huA ho use deshanA, kAl sab hotA hI hai. aisA puruShArthake sAth pratyek kAraNonkA sambandha hai.

mumukShu- hamen aisA hotA hai ki apane yah sab yog milA hai to AtmAkA to shIghratAse kar lenA hai. aur utanA puruShArtha utpanna nahIn hotA hai.

samAdhAna- puruShArthakI kachAs utanI kachAs hai.

mumukShu- ruchimen bhI kachAs hai na?

samAdhAna- hAn, puruShArthakI kachAs to ruchimen bhI kachAs hai. donon kachAs hai.

mumukShu- andaramen aisA hai ki chAhe jaise bhI, marakar bhI yahI karanA hai, dUsarA to kuchh nahIn karanA hai.

samAdhAna- bhAvanA hotI hai, lekin vah kAryAnvit nahIn hotI tabatak nahIn hotA hai. chAhe jaise bhI karanA hai, lekin kAryAnvit nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- kAryAnvit nahIn hotA hai, to phir bhAvanAkA phal kyA hai?

samAdhAna- bhAvanAmen kachAs hai. bhAvanAkA phal nahIn AtA hai, aisA nahIn hai. chAhe jaise bhI karanA hai aur karatA nahIn hai, apanI kachAs hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- apanI hI kachAs hai.

mumukShu- to bhAvanAkA kyA huA?

samAdhAna- bhAvanAkA kyA huA? bhAvanA kachAsavAlI hai. bhAvanA kachAsavAlI hai. bhAvanA ugra ho to kArya hue binA rahe nahIn.

mumukShu- aisA hai hI.

samAdhAna- svayam aisA karatA rahA ki chAhe jaise bhI karanA hai, phir chhoD diyA.

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mumukShu- chhoDato to nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, andar nirantar puruShArtha chAlU nahIn rakhatA hai. thoDI derake chhoD diyA. phir thoDI derake bAd ugra ho, puna chhoD diyA, manda ho jAy, tIvra ho jAy, manda ho jAy, tIvra ho jAy, ekasarIkhA puruShArtha to karatA nahIn hai. ata svayamkI bhAvanAmen kachAs hai.

mumukShu- ekasarIkhA kaise ho? gnAyakakI dhUn lage?

samAdhAna- gnAyakamen karane jAy ki gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, bhAvase kare phir puna rUkhA ho jAy to bhI nahIn hotA. aise vikalpase dhokhatA rahe to bhI nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- aisA..

samAdhAna- antaramen-se honA chAhiye to ho.

mumukShu- antaramen-se kaise ho? bAt to bahut bAr hotI hai.

samAdhAna- ek bAr bhAvanAse kare ki bas, yah karanA hI hai. phir manda ho jAy aur phir dhokhanerUp ho jAy ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn. to aise nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- parantu mAtAjI! Apake charaNamen, gurudevake charaNamen barasonse rahanekII bhAvanA to yahI hai ki chAhe jitanI pratikUlatA paDe yah karanese hI lAbh hai, dUsarA koI lAbh nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- bhAvanA aisI ho, vah bAt sachchI hai. parantu andarase utanA svayamko karanA chAhiye. to ho. bhAvanA ho, parantu vah karatA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- aisA bhI lagatA hai ki karanA chAhiye aur karanepar hI chhUTakArA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, karane chAhiye, aisA bhAv Aye. koI-koI bAr Aye ki karanA chAhiye, hotA nahIn, aisA bhAv Aye, aur karatA nahIn hai vah bAt bhI utanI hI satya hai. jitanI apanI kachAs hai, utanA hI lambA hotA hai. apanI mandatAse hI lambA hotA hai. koI kAraN use rokate nahIn.

mumukShu- phir aisA hotA hai ki..

samAdhAna- deshanA to itanI prApta huyI aur svabhAv apanA hI hai, puruShArtha kare aur kAlalabdhi paripakva na ho aisA banatA hI nahIn. puruShArthakI kachAsako aur kAlalabdhi, dononko sambandha hai.

mumukShu- aisA hotA hi itanA sunate hain, aur phir bAr-bAr mAtAjIke pUchhe usamen sharma AtI hai. mAtAjIne hamen sab kah diyA hai, gurudevane bahut kahA hai. phir ham pUchhate rahen, usamen sharma AtI hai. to bhI pUchhanekA man ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- hotA nahIn, isaliye kaise karanA? kaise karanA? aisA ho. mArga to

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ek hI hai.

mumukShu- mAnke pAs Aye, bhUkh lagI ho to mAn bhojan detI hI hai. vaise Ap hamen itanA dete hon to aisA ho jAtA hai ki mAtAjIke pAs kuchh sun le.

samAdhAna- bhAvanA ho, lekin karanA svayamko hai.

mumukShu- aisA yog mil?

samAdhAna- aisA yog is panchamakAlamen milanA mushkil hai. gurudevane itanA dhodh barasAyA. dRuShTi kahAn bAhar thI, usamense antar dRuShTi karavAyI. antaramen sab hai.

mumukShu- chAr gatimen, bhavabhramaNamen... mumukShu- itanemen shAnti santoSh mAn le to bhI kArya rah jAtA hai. isaliye vAstavamen andarase hI vIrya uchhale aur kAm ho, to hI shAnti ho.

samAdhAna- kAraN svayamkA hI hai. bhAvanA aisI ho ki karanA hai, karanA hai. jo chAhiye vah milatA nahIn, isaliye shAnti to lage nahIn. jo vibhAv hai vah koI shAnti hai. aur shAntikI ichchhA hai, shAnti milatI nahIn. isaliye usakI bhAvanA aisI rahA kare, isaliye shAnti to.. jab antaramen-se pragaT ho tab shAnti ho.

lekin jisane aisA nakkI kiyA hai ki yah pragaT karanA hI hai, usakA puruShArtha use pahunche binA rahegA nahIn. use samay lage, parantu use grahaN kiye binA nahIn rahegA. jise antaramen-se lagI hai ki yah grahaN karanA hI hai aur ise pragaT karanA hI hai. to vah dhIre-dhIre bhI puruShArtha uThatA hai, lekin use yadi lagI hI hai antaramen-se ki dUsarA kuchh nahIn chAhiye aur yahI chAhiye to kAl lage, lekin vah pragaT kiye binA nahIn rahegA. svayam hI hai, anya koI nahIn hai. isaliye svayamko jo lagI hai, vah to pahunchegA hI, samay lage to bhI. antarakI ruchi pragaT ho vah pahunche binA rahatA hI nahIn. bhale samay lage. lekin antaramen jise lagan lagI vah pahunche binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- jo samay lagatA hai vah ruchatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- ruche hI nahIn.

mumukShu- itane sAlase yahAn rahate hain aur itane sAlake bAd kAm ho jAnA chAhiye. kisIko shravaN hote hI prApta ho jAy, shAstrommen kitane dRuShTAnta Ate hain. aur bahut jIv, Ap jaise, gurudevake thoDe pravachan sunanemen ho gayA to hamane to kitane pravachan sune. itane sAl ho gaye, phir samay lage usakA dukh lage, sharma lage. kabhI-kabhI aisA ho jAtA hai ki mAtAjIke pAs main jAUn kaise? mAtAjIko pUchhun kaise? sharma lagatI hai. mAtAjIne to mujhe sab kah diyA hai. sarva prakArase, kitane prakArase gurudevane sab kahA hai, Apane bahut kahA hai.

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samAdhAna- bhAvanA hai na isaliye pUchhanA ho jAtA hai. gurudevane to mArga batAyA hai. karanekA svayamko hai. gurudevane sab taiyAr karake diyA hai, svayamko ek puruShArtha karanAhI bAkI rahatA hai, kuchh khojanekA bAkI nahIn rahatA ki kahAn khojanA? kahAn prApta karanA? jagatake jIvonko sat khojanemen dikkat hotI hai ki kyA sat hai? kyA AtmA? sukh kahAn hai? AtmA kyA hai? sat khojanA mushkil ho jAtA hai. yahAn to khojanekI koI dikkat nahIn hai.

gurudevane khojakar, taiyAr karake, spaShTa kar-karake diyA hai. ek puruShArtha karanA vahI svayamko bAkI rahatA hai. khojakar diyA hai. bAhar dRuShTi thI, bAhya kriyAmen usamen-se chhuDAkar, antar vibhAv pariNAm hote hain vah terA svabhAv nahIn hai. shubhabhAv sUkShmase sUkShma, Unchese UnchA ho, vah bhI terA svabhAv nahIn hai. tU andar shubhabhAvamen bhedamen ruke vah bhI terA mUl shAshvat svarUp nahIn hai. tujhe antaramen ekadam dRuShTi gaharAImen chalI jAy, utanA spaShTa karake (diyA hai). kahIn khojanA na paDe, aisA batAyA hai.

jabaki jagatako jIvonko sat khojanA (paDatA hai), sat prApta nahIn hotA, sat kahAn khojanA? koI kahAn phans jAtA hai aur koI kahAn phans jAtA hai. kahIn khojanA nahIn hai. ek puruShArtha karanA (bAkI hai). taiyAr karake diyA hai. svayamko ek puruShArtha karanA hI bAkI rahatA hai.