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samAdhAna- ... juD rahA hai, isaliye yah sab ho rahA hai. parantu nishchayase vastu svabhAvase jaise siddha bhagavAn hain, vaise hI sabakA AtmA hai. koI pharka hI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- paryAyakA pahalu atyant gauN rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- paryAyako gauN karake dravyadRuShTike balamen AchAryadev bol rahe hain. dravyadRuShTignake balamen, AtmAko pahachAnanA ho to dravyadRuShTise dravyase-dravya svarUpase AtmA vaisA hI hai. dravya svarUpase pratyek AtmA vaise hI hain. dravyadRuShTike balamen paryAy gauN ho jAtI hai. siddha bhagavAn jaise hI sab AtmA hain. kis nayase, kuchh pharka nahIn dikhAI detA. tattvake andar tattva dRuShTise dekhatA hUn, tattvamen koI AtmAmen kuchh pharka nahIn hai. paryAyako gauN kar dI hai. paryAy hai hI nahIn, lekin use gauN kar dI hai.

anAdise ashuddha jIv to mAnatA hI AyA hai, shuddha svarUp svayamkA pahachAnA nahIn, shuddha svarUpako pahachAne to Age jAtA hai. lekin shuddha svarUp us prakArase pahachAne ki usamen paryAy aur dravya dononko jAne, lekin bal dravyadRuShTikA AtA hai. paryAyamen bhI ashuddhatA nahIn hai vaisA artha vahAn nahIn hai.

mumukShu- paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai to phir use bhrAnti kyon kahA?

samAdhAna- bhrAnti yAnI jUThA hai, aisA artha nahIn hai. ashuddhatA hai vah usakI bhrAnti yAnI merA AtmA par svarUp ho gayA aur main par svarUp ho gayA, vah bhrAnti hai, vah to bhrAnti hI hai na. vastu svarUp jaisA hai vaisA mAnatA nahIn hai aur jUThI rItase mAnatA hai to bhrAnti hai. bhrAnti hai vah ashuddhatA hai. bhrAnti yAnI ye sab ekAnta hai, shuddha hai bAkI sab mAyA hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. aisA nahIn hai. bhrAnti bhI ashuddhatA hai. bhrAntike kAraN sab ashuddhatA, asthiratA aur jUThA mAn le ki kuchh nahIn hai yAnI paryAyamen ashuddhatA... aisA jUThA svarUp mAn liyA hai isaliye bhrAnti hai. dravya jaisA hai vaisA nahIn mAnatA, yah usakI bhrAnti hai. mAno merA dravya par rUp ho gayA, mAno par mujhamen A gaye. vah sab jUThA hai. vastu svarUpase viparIt mAne isaliye vah bhrAnti hai. vastuko yathArtha mAne binA muktikA mArga prArambh nahIn hotA. dravya jaisA hai vaisA, paryAy jaisI hai vaisI (mAne).

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... munidashA hai. svayamko hI andar bal vartatA hai, us balamense bolet hain. vastu svarUp jaisA hai vaisA bolate hain, dravyadRuShTise.

mumukShu- sAdhanAko adhik veg mile, dravyadRuShTikA jor ho to sAdhanAko adhik veg mile aisA hai?

samAdhAna- bolanese veg mile aisA artha nahIn hai. AchAryako bhAvanA AyI hai isaliye bolate hain. bolanese veg (nahIn AtA). veg to andar pariNatimen hai.

mumukShu- pariNatimen utanA jor ho to...

samAdhAna- muktike mArga vAleko dravyadRuShTikA bal hotA hai, usakA jor hotA hai. lekin vah jor aisA nahIn hotA ki us jorakA vaisA atirek yA paryAyakA niShedh ho jAye. aisA bal nahIn hotA. bal hotA hai. dravyadRuShTike balamen Age baDhatA hai, lekin vah bal aisA bal nahIn hotA. bhAShAmen kuchh bhI bole, main kis nayase jAnUn? kahIn bhed nahIn dikhAI detA, aisA kahe, lekin usakI pariNatimen to usakA bal jo yathAsthit muktike mArgamen jaisA hotA hai vaisA hI rahatA hai.

mumukShu- kathanamen to aisA lage ki mAno ekAnta (ho gayA).

samAdhAna- hAn, ekAnta jaisA lage. muktike mArgamen bal yathAsthit jaisA hai vaisA lete hain. aisI koI bhAvanA Aye to aisA bole. koI aise prashna karane vAle ho, aisA koI upadeshakA prasang bane, koI shAstra likhate hon, unhen bhAvanA ho aur vaisA kuchh kahe isaliye (gnAn nahIn badal jAtA). mArga andaramen yathArtha vastutAse hai. bole yAnI kuchh ekAnta kahanA chAhate hain, aisA artha nahIn hai. dravyadRuShTike balake sAth unhen gnAn barAbar hotA hai. ve bole isaliye usamense koI binA samajhe ekAnta khInch le to vah usakI svayamkI yogyatA hai.

dravyadRuShTikA bal itanA ho jAye ki paryAy hai hI nahIn aisA mAn le to sAdhanAko bahut bal milatA hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. lInatAmen bal, Ashrayamen bal, usakA bal AtA hai. koI bAr AchAryadevako bhAvanA Aye to aisA bole, kis nayase bhed jAnUn? sab shuddha hai.

mumukShu- vyavahAranayakA viShay hI mAno nahIn hai, vyavahAranay hai hI nahIn, kathanamen to aisA lage.

samAdhAna- hAn, kathanamen (aisA lage ki) mAno vyavahAr hai hI nahIn. ek or AchAryadev kahe, are..re..! yah vyavahAr nay bhUmikAmen bIchamen hastAvalamban tulya AtA hai, are..re..! khed hai. use lenA paDatA hai, aisA kahe. aur ek or aisA kahe ki, main shuddha chinmAtra mUrti hUn, parantu merI pariNati kalmAShit mailI ho rahI hai. isaliye

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is TIkAkI rachanAmen merI pariNati shuddha hoo. aisA bole. vahAn mAno khed hotA hai ki, are..! is vyavahAramen kahAn A gaye? phir yahAn aisA kahe. mAno kathanI karanese merI shuddhi hotI ho, aisA bole. andar shuddhi to unakI pariNati dravyadRuShTi hai, chinmAtra mUrti andar jo hai usakI dravyadRuShTikA bal hai aur andar lInatA baDhatI jAye. usase shuddhi hotI hai. to kahate hain, is TIkAse merI pariNati shuddha hoo, aisA bolate hain. AchAryadevakA Ashay grahaN karanA, andar samajhakar Ashay karane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- kathanako koI ekAntamen khInch le to nahIn chalatA.

samAdhAna- ekAntamen khInch le to bhUl hotI hai. dUsarI orakA khyAl rakhanA chAhiye. AchAryadevane kyon is par vajan diyA hai.

mumukShu- tamAm siddha shuddha guN-paryAy vAle hain, aisA shabdaprayog kiyA hai.

samAdhAna- shuddha guN-paryAy vAle hain. dravyadRuShTimen sabakuchh kah sakate hain. kuchh dikhatA hI nahIn, sab shuddha guN-paryAy vAle siddha jaise hain, aisA kahanemen Aye. yahAn gnAnamen khyAl hai. pramatta-apramatta nahIn hUn, main to ek gnAyak hI hUn. har bAr gnAyak hI hUn. pramatta-apramatta dashA nahIn hai, aisA AchAryadev kahanA nahIn chAhate. bhUmikA to hai, lekin main to ek gnAyak hI hUn. bhUmikAmen khaDe hain, phir bhI main to ek gnAyak hI hUn, aisA kahate hain.

gnAyak yAnI chhaThThI-sAtavIn bhUmikA nahIn hai, aisA nahIn kahanA chAhate. us bhUmikAmen khaDA hUn, phir bhI main gnAyak hI hUn. isaliye sAdhanAkI bhUmikA hI nahIn hai, aisA nahIn kahanA chAhate. dravyadRuShTikA bal aisA hai ki andar vah sab AtA hai. paryAyako gauN karatA jAtA hai. lekin paryAy hai hI nahIn, aisA nahIn kahanA chAhate. svabhAvamen andar ashuddhatAkA pravesh nahIn huA hai, aisA kahe. sab shuddha hI hai, shuddha dekhate hain. paryAyako ekadam gauN kar dete hain.

ananta kAlase dravya svarUpako nahIn pahachAnA, bhrAntike kAraN sab parake sAth mishrit hokar mAnon main parako karun aur par merA kare, aisI anAdi kAlase bhrAnti (chalatI hai). aisI ashuddhatA, vaisI bhrAnti aur ashuddhatA use ho rahI hai. use us prakArakI asthiratA aur bhrAnti donon hote hain. usamense chhUTaneke liye ananta kAlase chhUTatA nahIn. jIvane dravya-vastuko pahachAnA nahIn hai.

dravyadRuShTike bal binA vah Age nahIn baDhatA. isaliye AchAryadev dravyadRuShTike balase samajhAte hain ki isakI mahimA to kar, is par tujhe ananta kAlase vajan bhI nahIn AtA to tU terA svarUp pahachAna. to usamense terI shuddha paryAy pragaT ho. lekin mUl astitvako grahaN kiye binA, aise hI tIvra kaShAy aur manda kaShAy, shubhAshubhamen ghUmatA

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rahatA hai. mUl svarUpako to pahachAna. isaliye usake balase, usake jorase kahate hain. aur vastu svarUp bhI aisA hI hai ki dravyadRuShTike bal binA Age nahIn baDhatA. bAhar vyavahAramen aise hI karatA rahatA hai, usamen hI sab sAph karatA rahatA hai. tIvramense manda, mandamense tIvra karatA rahatA hai. parantu dravyadRuShTike balamen usakA niShedh nahIn ho jAye usakA dhyAn rakhanA. kyonki vah hai.

dravyadRuShTi kyon pragaT karanI hai? ki svayam bhrAntimen khaDA hai. usakA dhyAn rakhanA hai. usamense sAdhanA pragaT karanI hai. kisake dvArA, kis mArgase yah pragaT hotA hai? ki dravyadRuShTike Alambanase, dravyake Alambanase pragaT hotA hai. usake Alamban binA pragaT nahIn hotA. apanI bAt jIvane anAdi kAlamen sunI nahIn hai aur usakI ruchi nahIn kI hai, parichayamen AyI nahIn, aisA AchAryadev kahate hain. svayam hI hai. svarUpamen ekatva aur parase vibhakta, vibhAvase vibhakta bhinna hai, use pahachAna.

samAdhAna- .. vah mithyAtvake sAth hote hain, isaliye use baDA pAp kahA hai.

mumukShu- vAstavamen mithyAtva baDA pAp hai.

samAdhAna- mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. jisake pariNAm binA ankUshake hain, jisamen sAt vyasan Adi ankUsh binAke pariNAm hain, use baDA pAp kahA hai. jise jUThI bhrAnti hai, mithyAtvake sAth ye sAt vyasan hain, usake pariNAmamen ankUsh nahIn hai. isaliye sAt vyasan baDA pAp hai, aisA kahanemen AtA hai.

samyagdarshan jise hotA hai use vibhAvakA ras Utar jAtA hai. AtmAmen ras lagatA hai, gnAyakakI pariNati pragaT huI, use svarUpakI or pariNati (pragaT huI). svarUpakI maryAdAse bAhar nahIn jAtA. mithyAtva bhrAnti hai usake sAth yah sab pAp hai, isaliye use baDA pAp kahA hai. bAkI to mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. usake sAth aise ankUsh binAke pariNAm hain, isaliye baDA pAp hai, aisA kahA hai.

vyavahAr mAtra, jisakA vyavahAr achchhA ho use vyasan nahIn hotA. samyagdarshanakI to bAt hI alag hai, jisakA vyavahAr achchhA hai, vyavahArase vyavahAr dharmakI shraddhA ho to bhI use sapta vyasan nahIn hote. shrAvakonko vah sapta vyasan shobhate nahIn. vyavahAr dharma jo svIkArate hain, vahAn bhI sapta vyasan nahIn hote.

mumukShu- prashna to yah kiyA ki, siddhAntamen sapta vyasanase mithyAtvako baDA kahA hai. vah bhI pAp to hai hI, lekin usase baDA pAp mithyAtvakA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, mithyAtva baDA pAp hai.

mumukShu- mithyAtvakA sevan ho aur bhale sapta vyasan nahIn ho, to bhI vah baDA pAp kar rahA hai.

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samAdhAna- pAp to hai, hAn, baDA hai. sapta vyasanase bhI mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. yathArtha vastu svarUpako pahachAnatA nahIn. jUThI bhrAntimen paDA hai. vastu svarUpako TeDhA- meDhA, jaise-taise svIkAratA hai, isaliye baDA pAp hai. andar svarUpakA ghAt karatA hai, baDA pAp hai.

mumukShu- Ashcharya to isaliye lage ki bAharamen shikAr karatA ho..

samAdhAna- bAharase hinsA Adi karatA ho to vah pApI dikhatA hai ki ye pAp kar rahA hai, aisA dikhe. andaramen jo ho rahA hai, vah use dikhAI nahIn detA. isaliye vah pAp nahIn dikhatA. bAharamen sthUl dikhatA hai na, isaliye vah pAp dikhAI detA hai. ... baDA pAp hai. yathArtha nahIn hai, vastu svarUpako viparIt rUpase samajhatA hai, svarUpakA ghAt ho rahA hai isaliye baDA pAp hai. (aisA kahA) isaliye vyasan karanemen koI bAdhA nahIn hai, aisA artha nahIn hai. lekin vah vyasan mithyAtvake sAth hI sambandha rakhatA hai. isaliye vyasan to mumukShuko bhI nahIn hote.

mumukShu- nishchay aur vyavahAr, donon sAthamen hote hain yA alag-alag hote hain?

samAdhAna- donon sAthamen hote hain. yathArtha nishchay aur yathArtha vyavahAr, donon sAthamen hote hain. bAkI ye jo vyavahAr kahA jAtA hai, jo dharmakA vyavahAr kahA jAtA hai, dharmakA vyavahArase svIkAr kiyA, vah vyavahAr to nishchayapUrvakakA vyavahAr nahIn hai. vah to vyavahAramAtra vyavahAr hai. use vyavahAr nAm diyA jAtA hai. bAkI antaramen yathArtha nishchay-vyavahAr sAthamen hoete hain. gnAyakakI pariNati pragaT ho, vahAn paryAyakA vyavahAr, shuddha paryAyake sAth dev-guru-shAstrake pariNAm jo shubhabhAv Adi hote hain. antaramen jo pariNatimen hai, vah nishchay-vyavahAr sAthamen hote hain. shuddha pariNatikA vyavahAra. usakI bhUmikA anusAr shubhabhAv hote hain, vah sab usake sAth yathArtha rUpase hote hain. bAkI anAdikA jo vyavahAr hai, vah rUDhigatarUpase vyavahAr hotA hai. akelA vyavahAr hotA hai. vyavahArAbhAs kahate hain.

mumukShu- shubhabhAvako vyavahAr nAm mAtra (kahA).

samAdhAna- nAmamAtra hai. shubhabhAvako vyavahAr (kahA). usakI yathArthapane sAdhakadashA pragaT huyI ho use kahate hain. bAkI vyavahAr nAm diyA jAtA hai. lekin jab tak nahIn hotA hai tab tak ashuddha bhAvase bachaneko shubhabhAv Ate hain. jignAsAkI bhUmikAmen bhI shubhabhAv hote hain. jignAsA ho, jise sachche dev-guru-shAstrakI shraddhA ho, use bhI sapta vyasan nahIn hote. AtmAkI jignAsAke sAth dev-guru-shAstrako grahaN kare. AtmAko kaise pahachAnA jAye? guru kyA kahate hain? dev kyA kahate hain? sabakA Ashay samajhanA chAhiye. anAdikA anajAnA mArga dev-guru-shAstrake binA samajhamen nahIn AtA. aur aisA

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nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. anAdikA anajAnA mArga, pahale use dev yA guru mile, use upadesh mile, unakI deshanA mile. antaramen koI apUrvatA jAgRut ho to deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. to antaramen aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. bAharase guru yA dev mile, unakA upadesh use apUrva lage ki ye kuchh alag kahate hain. andaramen aisI apUrvatA pragaT ho, ... aur muktike mArga par muDatA hai.

mumukShu- ..apUrva pragaT kare yAnI?

samAdhAna- use apUrvatA lage ki ye kuchh alag kahate hain. andar use aisI deshanA grahaN ho jAtI hai. andar deshanA labdhi hotI hai. apUrvapane use apUrvatA lag jAye ki kuchh alag hai. aisI koI andaramen apUrvatA pragaT ho vah use mAlUm nahIn hai, andar deshanA labdhi hotI hai. apragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- vah to Apane kahA vah samajhamen AyA ki bAharase apUrvatA lage aur antaramen..

samAdhAna- antaramen use apUrvatA lage. aisI usakI pariNati (ho jAtI hai). antaramen ye kuchh alag hai, aisA use laganA chAhiye. deshanA isaprakAr grahaN honI chAhiye. antarakI bAt hai aur yah svarUp kuchh alag hai, AtmA koI alag kahate hain, AtmA koI apUrva anupam kahate hain, isaliye use dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAke sAth AtmAkI kuchh mahimA, aisI koI apUrvatA antaramen lage. deshanA aisI grahaN ho jAtI hai, us vakta use pragaT nahIn hai, lekin use antaramense usakI pariNati us or, jab-jab deshanA mile tab use andar kuchh alag kArya karanA hai, aisA antaramense (lagatA hai). deshanA ho to avashya use us or pariNati (jAtI hI hai). kabhI bhI, bhale samay lage parantu apanI or muDe binA rahe nahIn. aisI deshanA grahaN ho jAtI hai. upadesh mile vah deshanA nahIn hai, antaramen ho to deshanA hai. antaramen grahaN kare to deshanA hai. .. laganA chAhiye.