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mumukShu- .. bhAvabhAsan use pahale karanA chAhiye, us par ApakA vajan jyAdA hotA hai. us bhAvabhAsanamen ye jAnatA hai vah main, ye jAnatA hai, jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn, aise anek prakArase yuktise vichAr karate hain. bhAvabhAsan arthAt gnAnake vedanarUp AnA chAhiye (vah nahIn AtI hai). aise anumAn lagatA hai. agnAnIko to anumAn gnAn hai, anubhav gnAn to hai nahIn. anumAn gnAnamen to is prakAr vichAr hotA hai ki ye jAnatA hai vah main hUn. athavA ye sab kisamen gnAt hotA hai? kisakI sattAmen gnAt hotA hai? us prakArase gnAnasattAkA vichAr karake trikAlI gnAnasattAko pakaDe vah barAbar hai yA usamen kuchh gnAnakA vedan AnA chAhiye? gnAnakA vedan gnAnamen pakaDamen Aye, usake bAd andar jA sake, aisA kuchh hai?

samAdhAna- yuktise nirNay karatA hai ki ye jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn. vah abhI use amuk prakArase nirNay huA hai ki ye jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn. gnAyakakI asti hai vah main hUn, vah nirNay huA hai. parantu Age jAneke liye antaramen gnAyak jo gnAyakarUp pariNamatA hai, jAnanevAlA, vah jAnanevAlA jAnanarUp hI hai, aisA usakA astitva use antaramense (honA chAhiye), aisA bhAvabhAsan use antarase honA chAhiye.

pahale to yuktise nakkI karatA hai ki yah jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn. vibhAv hai vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. main vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa tattva hUn. (aisA) buddhise nirNay kiyA parantu antaramen-se use bhAvabhAsan, jaise Age baDhe vaise AnA chAhiye ki jo vikalpa rahit gnAyak hai, vahI main hUn. aisA antaramen-se usakA astitva grahaN honA chAhiye.

aur astitva grahaN honeke bAd vah antaramen TikanA chAhiye. andar astitva jo grahaN huA use TikAkar, phir kShaN-kShaNamen yah jo main hUn, vahI main hUn aur yah nahIn hUn, aisA bhAvabhAsan andar Tike, usakI dRuDhatA rahe, bArambAr kShaN-kShaNamen gnAyakakA astitva hai vahI main hUn, yah main nahIn hUn, aisA use Tike aur usakI dRuDhatA aur usakI ugratA ho to vah Age jAtA hai. mAtra vikalpase nirNay karake chhUT jAy, utanA hI nahIn, parantu antaramen-se jAnanevAlA so main, aisA astitva grahaN kare. use antaramen TikAye.

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mumukShu- TikAnekA artha?

samAdhAna- use gnAyakakA gnAyakarUp vedan arthAt svAnubhUti nahIn, parantu main gnAyak hI hUn, aisI antaramen-se dRuDhatA, gnAyak grahaN hokar aisI dRuDhatA antaramen-se AnI chAhiye. ye sharIr aur ye vibhAv, vibhAvakA vikalpakA vedan ho vah nahIn, parantu gnAyak gnAyakarUp hai. us gnAyakakI dRuDhatArUp gnAyakakA bhAvabhAsan usakI antarakI pariNatimen AnA chAhiye. aur use vah TikAye to vah Age jAtA hai. vedan arthAt svAnubhUtikA vedan vah nahIn, parantu gnAyakakA gnAyakatArUp vedana.

mumukShu- savikalpa dashAmen gnAyakakI pariNati gnAnamen grahaN honI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- hAn, gnAnamen grahaN honI chAhiye ki ye gnAyak gnAyakarUp hai. vah use gnAnamen grahaN honI chAhiye aur usakI dRuDhatA honI chAhiye antaramen. usakI dRuShTi vahAn sthApit ho jAnI chAhiye. usakI dRuShTi usamen dRuDh honI chAhiye. gnAyak gnAyakarUp hai, vahI main hUn. isaliye usakI atanrakI pariNatikI pUrI dishA palaT jAtI hai.

mumukShu- pakaDamen Aye vah gnAnakA vedan?

samAdhAna- vah gnAnakA vedan hai. vah gnAyakakA vedan hai. svAnubhUtikA nahIn, parantu gnAyakakA bhAvakA bhAsan hai. bhAvabhAsan hai.

mumukShu- use rAg aur is gnAyakakI pariNati dononkA bhed gnAnamen pakaDamen AtA hai.

samAdhAna- gnAnamen pakaDamen AtA hai, yah rAg hai aur yah gnAn hai. use antaramen- se pakaDamen A jAnA chAhiye.

mumukShu- aisI pratItikI dRuDhatA ho vah usakA TikanA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, vah TikanA (hai). pratItikI dRuDhatA honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- gnAnamen pakaDamen AtA jAy, vaise rAgakA jo svAmItva athavA rAgakA vedan patalA paDatA jAtA hai, kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAna- usakA svAmItva andarase chhUTatA jAya. rAg main nahIn hUn aur yah main hUn. aise. yathArtha sahajarUp bAdamen hotA hai, parantu use us prakArase chhUTatA jAtA hai. main isakA svAmI nahIn hUn, main mere gnAyakarUp hUn. bhinnakA bhinnarUp use bhAvabhAsan hotA hai. abhI usakI dRuDhatA karatA jAtA hai, use sahajarUp nahIn huA hai. usakI pariNatimen vah grahaN karate jAtA hai ki main isase bhinna hI hUn, main isakA svAmI nahIn hUn. merA chaitanyatattva is vibhAvase bhinna tattva hai, nirAlA hUn. aisA use antaramen-se bhinnatAkA bhAvabhAsan hotA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- anek jagah aisA AyA hai ki isake sanskAr DAle tabase samyak sanmukhatA hai. sanskAr Dalaneke bAd to dUsare bhavamen, is bhavamen prApta nahIn karegA to dUsare bhavamen

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bhI prApta karegA. to utanA AyuShyakA lambA kAl aur dUsare bhavamen bhI amuk kAl jAy, phir sanskArakI jAgRuti ho. to utanI lambI samyak sanmukhatA (rahatI hai)?

samAdhAna- andar sanskAr paDe hain na ki main gnAyak hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. aisI gnAyakakI andar gaharI ruchi aur pratIti huyI hai. gnAyak, ek gnAyakake sivA mujhe kuchh nahIn chAhiye aur main gnAyak hI hUn. gnAyakakI use mahimA AyI hai, gnAyakakI apUrvatA lagatI hai. gnAyak mAne use rUkhA nahIn hai, parantu apUrva ruchipUrvak use gnAyak grahaN huA hai. to use antaramen jo sanskAr paDe hain, pariNati abhI bhedagnAnarUp sahaj nahIn huyI hai, parantu aise sanskAr paDe hain to bhale hI dUsare bhavamen jAy to antaramen- se sphUrit ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- tab takakA kA kAl samyak sanmukhatAkA kahalAyagA?

samAdhAna- vah samyakatva sanmukh hai. bhale abhI use bhedagnAnakI pariNati chAlU nahIn huyI hai, parantu abhI sanmukhatA hai. sanmukhatA abhI kAryarUp nahIn huyI hai. kAraN, yathArtha kAraN kAraNarUp rah gayA hai, kArya Anemen der lage.

mumukShu- sachamuchamen use lagan lage to chha mAsamen ho jAya. aur aise sanskAr paDe ho to lambA kAl nikal jAya.

samAdhAna- vah utkRuShTakI apekShAse bAt hai.

mumukShu- donon apekShA bhinna-bhinna hain.

samAdhAna- vah ugra puruShArtha kare to pahale to antarmuhUrtamen ho jAya. parantu usase amuk prakArase kare aur ek dhArAvAhI prayatna karatA hai to aise chha mahine (kahA).

mumakShu- dhArAvAhI prayatna chale. samAdhAna- ugra prayatna ho to chha mahine (lagate hain). aur ye to abhI manda- manda puruShArtha hai, isaliye lambA samay lagatA hai. apanA puruShArtha chAlU hI hai. vah ekadam ugra kare to antarmuhUrtamen jAtA hai. ye amuk prakArase kare to chha mahine lagate hain. aur vah jise sanskAr paDe, lekin vah aisA puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai. isaliye use sanskAr paDe hain, kAryarUp nahIn hue hain. ... puruShArtha karatA nahIn hai, isaliye lambA kAl nikal jAtA hai. kare, manda kare, aisA karate-karate use lambA kAl nikal jAtA hai.

mumukShu- chhoTe bAlakakI bhAnti, khaDe honA sIkhe, gire, phirase khaDA ho..

samAdhAna- hAn, vaise karatA hai. .. kAl aise hI chalA jAtA hai. karatA nahIn hai. utkRuShTamen utkRuShTa is tarah ardha pudagal parAvartan chalA jAya. parantu anda sanskAr paDe hain na. aise pITh nahIn pherI hai, lekin mandatA hai to dUsare bhavamen bhI prApta hotA hai.

mumukShu- hamen to aisA thA ki brahmachArI bahanonne..

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samAdhAna- sUchanA dI ho.

mumukShu- thrI DAyamenshanase gaharAI ho, mAtAjI! ekadam mAno kitanA dUr-dUr ho, holamen mAnon gurudev dUr baiThe hon, itanA baDA lage. chitra chhoTA ho, parantu andar gaharAI bahut lage. dUrase pravachanamen baiThe hon aur dekhe to ye kyA! sAkShAt dUrase gurudev pravachan de rahe ho. dhodh aur kiraNen...

mumukShu- jo dhodhakA hai vah bahut sundar thA.

samAdhAna- sUchanA dI ho, phir sabane kiyA. peinTarane (kiyA). itane sAlase koI mel nahIn khA rahA thA, is sAl mel baiTh gayA.

mumukShu- prinTarane yahAn rahakar hI kiyA. bahut sundara.

samAdhAna- .. karavAyA thA. karate-karate achchhA ho jAtA hai. phir kahA, aisA kuchh karate hain. gat varShase ho rahA thA, is sAl ho gayA. .. kAm karate rahate hain. aise to kitane prasang bane hon. ye to sankShiptamen kaise A jAy (utanA). sab to chitrit nahIn kar sakate. gurudevane kitane vihAr kiye hain, koI vidvAn Aye hon, kuchh-kuchh prasang bane hon, sab to chitrit nahIn kar sakate. sankShepamen A jAy, us prakArase khAs- khAs (liye hain).

... sab prasang chitrit nahIn kar sakate. dIkShAke bAd turanta parivartanakA chitra liyA hai. gurudev paDhate hain.

mumukShu- dhUlI nishAla. Apane sab samAviShTa kar liyA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev thoDA phire hain, bAdamen unhonne nakkI kiyA. boTAd sampradAyamen hIrAjI mahArAjake pAs dIkShA lenekA (nishchit kiyA).

mumukShu- TreIn rakhakar Apane bahut achchhA dikhAyA hai. phirate hain.

samAdhAna- gurudevane kitano barason tak vANIkI varShA kI hai. mUsalAdhAr vANI barasAyI hai. isaliye pAnIkA dhodh usamen batAyA hai. vah kuchh hAthase nahIn karanA hotA hai, sUchanA denI hotI hai. tattvake bhI Aye aur sab Aye. gurudevake pratApase sab hotA hai.

mumukShu- ek orase bhAvanAkA ullAs batAnA aur dUsarI or aisA kahanA kAle sarpa jaisA dikhatA hai.

samAdhAna- .. jo rAg ho vah to dev-guru-shAstrakI or hotA hai. (munirAj) chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhUlate hain. to bhI bAhar Ate hain to shAstrakI rachanA karate hain, shrutakA chintavan karate hain aur bhagavAnakI bhaktike shlok rachate hain. padmanandI AchAryane kaise shlok rache hain! prabhu! ApakI bhakti karate hue indrane hAth Upar kiye to bAdalonke do TUkaDe ho gaye. aisA shlok AtA hai.

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(Ap dIkShA lekar gaye to) nadI kal-kal (AvAj karatI hai), us bahAne nadI ro rahI hai. aise sab shlok rache hain. us kShaN bhedagnAn, gnAyakakI pariNatikI ugratA, sab munionko pratikShaN vartatA hI hai. ek kShaN bhUl jAy aur dUsarI kShaNamen Aye, aisA nahIn hotA. usI kShaN unhen gnAyakakI pariNati bhinna (vartatI hai) aur usI kShaN shrutakA chintavan, bhaktike shlok rachate hain, sab karate hain. ek kShaN bhUl jAte hain aur dUsarI kShaN yAd AtA hai, aisA nahIn hai. usI kShaN gnAyakakI dhArA bhinna aur ye prashasta bhAv Ayen vah dhArA bhinna hai. donon dhArA sAthamen vartatI hai.

mumukShu- aur gnAyakakI dhArA to avichchhinna jo chalatI hai...

samAdhAna- gnAyakakI dhArA avichchhinna rahatI hai, vah to akhaNDit hai. rAgakI dhArA to TUT jAtI hai. svarUpamen upayog jAy, nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai, vahAn vah rAg to TUT jAtA hai. dRuShTimen vah akhaNDa rahatA hai. vah to TUTatI nahIn.

... koI tattvake, adhyAtmake likhe. koI dhavalake shAstra likhe. anek jAtake vikalpa bAhar Ate hain tab hote hain.

mumukShu- vah sab aise to likhate hain, sab kram rahatA hogA? kyonki toDapatra jo likhe hote hain, vah to apane pAs rakhate nahIn. to usamen kram sankhyA dete honge? kaise hogA?

samAdhAna- kram to kuchh karate honge. ve to chhoD dete haiain. kram mil jAy aise likhate hon na. shlokakI sankhyA Adi AtA hai. shAstrakI prIti hai unhen. shlok sankhyAkA mel Aye aisA likhate honge. shrutakI bhakti hai, isaliye sumel pUrvak likhate hain. kitane shAstra likhe. ye to itane bAhar Aye, isake alAvA aisA kahA jAtA hai ki kitane hI likhe hain. apramatta-pramatta dashAmen jhulate-jhulate bAhar Aye, vahAn kalam chalatI hai. phir likhakar vanamen vicharate hain. phirase likhate hain.

mumukShu- shAstra likhakar jab chale jAte hain, to phir tADapatrI...

samAdhAna- kuchh kalam karate hain. kahIn rakhate hon, guphAmen yA kahIn bhI rakhate hon. phir vApas Akar likhate hon, kuchh bhI karate hon.

mumukShu- samyagdRuShTi ... pesh kare ki kisI bhI prakArase jIvako..

samAdhAna- AtmAkI pahachAn ho. anek prakArase usakA vistAr karate hain. ek AtmA-shuddhAtmAko pahachAnaneke liye. usakA mUl svarUp pahachAnaneke liye usakI sAdhanA kaisI hotI hai, usakI sAdhakadashA kaisI hotI hai, usakA sAdhya, use dRuShTi kahAn rakhanI, Adi anek prakArase vistAr karate hain.

mumukShu- .. jyAdA nidrA nahIn hotI. ekasAth paun saikanDase jyAdA nidrA nahIn

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hotI yA pUre divas daramyAn?

samAdhAna- ekasAth aisI nidrA nahIn hotI. paun saikaNDa nidrA hotI hai. pIchhalI rayana. pUre dinamen to unhen nidrA hotI nahIn. pIchhalI rayan paun saikaNDa yAnI ekasAth utanI nidrA nahIn hotI. paun saikaNDa hote hI jAgRut ho jAya.

mumukShu- pIchhalI rayanamen ek bAr aise nahIn, jyAdA bAr bhI..

samAdhAna- aisA artha honA chAhiye. paun saikaNDa hote hI jAgRut ho jAya. ekasAth nidrAdhIn ho jAy, aisA nahIn. paun saikaNDamen jAgRut ho jAya.

samAdhAna- .. puNyabandha hotA hai (to) devalok hotA hai. usase bhavakA abhAv to nahIn hotA. bhavakA abhAv to shuddhAtmAko pahachAnane-se hotA hai. shubhabhAv bIchamen Ate haiain, dev-guru-shAstrake. parantu shuddhAtmA to vikalpase bhinna hai. bhAvanA achchhI na ho to achchhA nahIn hotA hai. taiyArI apaneko karanI hai. kahIn-se AyA to hogA aur kahAn jAnA hogA, parantu bhAvanA achchhI karanA. AtmAko pIchhAnane se achchhA hotA hai.

mumukShu- chaturtha guNasthAnamen kitane-kitane dinommen AtA rahatA hai? yA lambA TAIm khInch lete hain?

samAdhAna- usakA koI niyam nahIn hotA hai. kisIko jaldI hotA hai, kisIko derase bhI hotA hai. lekin hotA to hai. hotA to jarUr hai. kisIko lambA samay lage upayog bAhar rahatA ho to. kisIko jaldI hotA hai. jisakI antarakI dashA jaisI ho vaise hotA hai. chaturtha guNasthAnamen svAnubhUti to hotI hai.

mumukShu- TAIm vAIs bArah mahinA, tIn mahinA..

samAdhAna- TAIm bArah mahinA aisA nahIn hotA hai, aisA nahIn hotA hai. itanA lambA samay nahIn nikalatA hai. aisA lambA samay nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- andarakI kyA sthiti hotI hai, jisamen nirvikalpa..

samAdhAna- usako bhedagnAnakI dhArA rahatI hai. kShaN-kShaNamen upayog bAhar jAy to bhI bhedagnAnakI pariNati usako rahatI hai. usako vichAr nahIn karanA paDatA hai, sahaj rahatA hai. pahale ekatva ho jAy, bAdamen vichAr kare ki main judA hUn, aisA vichAr karake nahIn, vah to sahaj rahatI hai. bAhar upayog hove, vikalpa hove, to bhI usakA kShaN- kShaN bhedagnAn rahatA hai.

main gnAyak hUn, aisI pariNati sahaj rahatI hai. gnAyakakI Anshik shAnti usako rahatI hai. ekatva nahIn ho jAtA hai. aisI dashA, koI alag, jagatase judI-nyArI usakI dRuShTikI dishA badal jAtI hai.

mumukShu- jis samay andaramen nirvikalpa gnAnakA Ananda hotA hai, usakI kyA

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dhArA hai? matalab kyA rUp hai usakA?

samAdhAna- vikalpa chhUTakar svAnubhUti (hotI hai). jo AtmAkA svarUp hai vah use vedanamen AtA hai. usakA koI apUrva Ananda hai, vah vachanamen nahIn AtA hai. jo anubhUti hotI hai use vah jAnatA hai. vah vachanamen nahIn AtA.

vah to koI apUrva hai, jagatase nyArI hai. usakI dRuShTi, svAnubhUti-vedan palaT jAtA hai. bAharakA kuchh khyAl nahIn hai usako. bAhar kyA hotA hai, usakA use dhyAn nahIn rahatA. vikalpase chhUT jAtA hai aur svAnubhUtimen bhItaramen chalA jAtA hai. aur bhItar gaharA chaitanyamen chalA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- kitanA samay?

samAdhAna- usako antarmuhUrta rahatA hai. thoDA lambA, kam,... antarmuhUrta rahatA hai. usakI sthiti antarmuhUrtakI hai.

mumukShu- Ananda .. to usake liye puruShArtha kyA?

samAdhAna- vah to sahaj bhedagnAnakI dhArA usako rahatI hai. vah sahaj rahatI hai. bAhar Aye to ekatva nahIn hotA, bhinna hI rahatA hai. usakI dhArA hI rahatI hai. gnAtAdhAr aur udayadhArA donon bhinna chalatI hai. vah usakA kAraN hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArA isakA kAraN hai. dravya par dRuShTi rahatI hai.

mumukShu- samyagdRuShTikI pahachAn ho sakatI hai kyA?

samAdhAna- jisako yathArtha jignAsA hotI hai vah pahachAn sakatA hai. jisakI dRuShTi aur AtmAko pahachAnanemen jisakI jignAsA lagatI hai, merA yathArtha svarUp kyA hai? AtmA kyA hai? gnAnI kaun hai? usakA kyA svarUp hai? usakI jisako jignAsA lagatI hai, vah pIchhAn sakatA hai. yathArtha jignAsA honI chAhiye. to pIchhAn sakatA hai. gurudevane sab mArga pragaT kiyA hai.

mumukShu- ApakI bhI kRupA hai. ab to Ap hI (hamAre liye hon).

samAdhAna- .. svarUpako pahachAne, sabako yathArtha dRuShTi (karavAyI), mArga batA diyA hai.

mumukShu- mArga batA diyA.

samAdhAna- mArga batA diyA.