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mumukShu- ek samayakI gnAnakI paryAyako koI bAr shAstramen gney kahanemen AtI hai, koI bAr paryAy hai isaliye hey hai, aisA bhI varNan AtA hai. koI bAr pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey kahanemen AtI hai. ek paryAy sambandhi bahut prakAr shAstramen Ate hain. to usamen bhedavignAnakI jyoti pragaT karaneke liye kaun-sI bAt mukhya karanI? hey hai, aise mukhya karanA? gney hai, aise mukhya karanA? athavA upAdey hai, aise mukhya karanA?

samAdhAna- dRuShTikI apekShAse use hey kahanemen AtA hai. kyonki jo chaitanya svabhAv anAdiananta akhaNDa gnAn paripUrNa svabhAv bharA hai. usake darshanaguN, chAritra Adi ananta guN jo hain, sahaj darshan, sahaj gnAn, sahaj chAritra, sahaj Ananda svabhAvase bharA hai. paripUrNa hai. vah paripUrNa hai aur akhaNDa par dRuShTi karanemen adhUrI jo paryAyen hain, vah adhUrI paryAy AtmAkA mUl svarUp nahIn hai. isaliye use us dRuShTise hey kahanemen AtA hai. paripUrNa svabhAvakI apekShAse, dRuShTikI apekShAse use hey kahanemen AtA hai.

use jAnane yogya kahanemen AtA hai. parantu jo adhUrI paryAy, sAdhanAkI paryAy jo hai, vah bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatI. isaliye vah gnAnamen jAnane yogya hai.

aur vah Adarane yogya hai. kyonki adhUrI paryAy (hai). darshan aur gnAn donon pragaT ho to chAritra kahIn paripUrNa sAthamen ho nahIn jAtA. isaliye use sAdhanA karanI bAkI rahatI hai, svarUpamen lInatA bAkI rahatI hai. isaliye vah paryAy use AdaraNIy bhI hotI hai. gnAnamen use AdaraNIy kahate hain. dRuShTikI apekShAse use hey kahanemen AtA hai.

vah jaise hai vaise nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi samajhe to usakI sAdhanA Age baDhatI hai. dRuShTimen ek gnAyakako mukhya rakhe. paripUrNa gnAn.. usamen pUrNa-apUrNa paryAyonko gauN karanemen AtI hai ki pUrNa-apUrNa paryAy jitanA bhI main nahIn hUn. main to akhaNDa gnAyak hUn. kevalagnAnakI paryAy pragaT ho to bhI vah paryAy hai. main to ek dravya hUn. parantu sAdhanAmen bIchamen samyagdarshanase lekar jo nirmal paryAy pragaT hotI hai, vah sab sAdhanAmen AtI hai. isaliye us apekShAse use upAdey (kahanemen AtA hai). kevalagnAnakI paryAy bhI use sAdhanA karanese pragaT hotI hai. isaliye usakI apekShAse upAdey hai, parantu dRuShkiI

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apekShAse use hey kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey kahA?

samAdhAna- pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey hai. use puruShArtha karanA rahatA hai. dRuShTi aur gnAn pragaT hue. lInatA abhI kam hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT huyI, parantu svAnubhUti kShaN-kShaNamen usakI vRuddhi ho aur svAnubhUtirUp hI svayam ho jAy, jaisA AtmA hai vaisA shAshvat svAnubhUtirUp ho jAy, aisI dashA pragaT nahIn hoshratI hai, isaliye us apekShAse AdaraNIy hai.

muni chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hain. antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen andar jAy aur bAhar Ate hain. to bhI unhen adhUrI paryAy hai. isaliye unakI sAdhanAkI paryAy bArambAr chalatI hI rahatI hai. main pramatta yA apramatta nahIn hUn, aisI dRuShTi honeke bAvajUd ve sAdhanAkI paryAyamen jhulate hain. aisA karate-karate shreNI chaDhate hain.

main gnAyak so gnAyak hUn. to bhI sAdhanAkI paryAyen bIchamen hotI hai. antarmuhUrta- antarmuhUrtamen apramatta dashAmen, puna pramatta dashAmen Ate-Ate shreNI lagAkar kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai. sAdhanAmen vah Aye binA nahIn rahatA. pariNatikI Dor svabhAvakI or, gnAn gnAnako khInchatA huA, svAnubhUtikI or (jAtA hai). bhedagnAnakI dhArAko ugra kare, dRuShTikA jor vRuddhigat karatA jAtA hai aur svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT karatA jAtA hai. sAdhanAmenn vah hotA hai. dRuShTi sabako hey mAnatI hai, dRuShTi sabako gauN karatI hai.

mumukShu- usamen gnAn gnAnako khInchatA huA, mAne kyA?

samAdhAna- gnAn arthAt puruShArthakI Dor... gnAyakakI or jo pariNati gayI hai, vah pariNati svayamko apanI or khInchatI hai. gnAn gnAnako khInchatA huA, gnAyakakI or jo gnAn gayA, gnAyakakI or jo gnAn pariNamA vah gnAn svayam apanI or apanI pariNatiko khInchatA hai. jo vibhAvakI or pariNati jAtI hai, use svabhAvakI khInchatA huA svayam sAdhanAko vRuddhigat karatA jAtA hai, bhedagnAnakI dhArA ugra karatA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- atyant sundar spaShTIkaraN hai. aisA mel karanA bhI bahut mushkil paDatA hai. kabhI is or khInch jAtA hai, kabhI paryAy-or khInch jAtA hai. dravyakI or ekAnta khInch jAtA hai to paryAy (chhUT jAtI hai).

samAdhAna- sab chhoD denA hai, ek hI dravya hai, aisA ho jAya. athavA to paryAy par chalA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- yah spaShTIkaraN to atyant sundar hai aur Atmadharmamen mumukShuonko bahut mArgadarshan mile aisA sundar hai.

samAdhAna- dRuShTi pragaT ho gayI, phir kuchh karanA hI nahIn rahatA, aisA nahIn

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hai. dRuShTi honeke bAd samyagdarshan evan gnAn pragaT huA, parantu abhI lInatA pragaT karanI bAkI rahatI hai. bhedagnAnakI dhArAko ugra karake dRuShTikA bal vRuddhigat karatA jAtA hai. apanI pariNatiko apanI or ekadam jhukAtA jAtA hai. vibhAvakI or jA rahI pariNatiko svabhAvakI or khInchatA jAtA hai. vah hey mAnatA hai, phir bhI puruShArthakI Dor chAlU hai. main to akhaNDa hUn to bhI vibhAvakI paryAy jo ho rahI hai aur svabhAvaparyAy kam hai, use jAnatA hai aur puruShArthakI Dorako apanI or khInchatA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- sAdhakakI aisI vichakShaNatA bhI asAdhAraN sUkShma hai.

samAdhAna- donon aise hI hain. kal kahA, jignAsuko usamen vyavahArAk pakSha nahIn A jAtA? aise nahIn A jAtA. svayamne nakkI kiyA ho ki bas, isase dharma nahIn hai. aisA nishchay kiyA ho to us kAryamen juDe to usamen vyavahArakA pakSha A nahIn jAtA. koI prayojanake kAraN aise vyavahArake kAyAmen juDanekA prasang bane. koI bhaktimen svayamko ullAs Ave aur juDanA ho, isaliye usamen koI vyavahArakA pakSha nahIn A jAtA. jise bhedagnAn pragaT huA, unhen aise prasang bane. koI AchArya dhaval shAstra likhate hain aur koI adhyAtmake likhate hain, to usamen unhen koI pakSha ho jAtA hai? koI muni bhaktike shAstra likhe, padmanandi AchArya, isaliye usamen vyavahArakA pakSha nahIn ho jAtA. bhedagnAnakI dhArA chalatI hai.

vaise, jignAsune nakkI kiyA hai ki ye sab vibhAvase bhinna main chaitanyadravya hUn. bhale hI buddhise nakkI kiyA hai to bhI kisIko svayam aisI pariNati ho aur bhaktike bhAv Aye, usamen juDe aur koI aise prayojanamen paDe aur usamen juDe to usamen bhakti karanese vyavahArakA pakSha nahIn ho jAtA.

mumukShu- bahut sundar spaShTIkaraNa. jignAsukI nakkI karanemen kachAs hai, vah to apanA kAraN hai. aise pariNAm Ate hain aur usake pakShamen khInch jAtA hai, aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- bhaktike kAyAmen bhaktike bhAv Aye to usamen vah juDe to vah koI pakSha nahIn hai. usamen yadi nakkI kare ki isamen sarvasva hai aur isImen-se mujhe lAbh hogA, aisA mAne to use pakSha hai. parantu merA svabhAv to sab shubhabhAvase merA svabhAv to bhinna hai. parantu use shubhabhAvakI bhaktikI pariNati aisI koI Aye aur kuchh prayojan paDe to usamen juDe, isaliye use pakSha nahIn ho jAtA.

mumukShu- kal Apako prashna pUchhA usake bAd..

samAdhAna- bahut logonko aisA ho jAy ki ye vyavahAramen jyAdA juDatA hai, isaliye ise vyavahArakA pakSha ho gayA hai. aisA nahIn hai.

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mumukShu- aise shAstra-bhAShAmen ham log aisA kahen ki pragaT karanekI apekShAse upAdey hai. parantu Apane jo spaShTIkaraN jis prakArase kiyA vah sundar hai. bhAShAmen to sab bol lete hain. pragaT karanekI apekShAse paryAy upAdey hai. parantu sAdhanAmen sAdhakako aise pariNAm Ate hI hain.

samAdhAna- use sAthamen hote hI hain. usakI dRuShTi to gnAyak par sthApit dRuShTi gnAyakase bhinna nahIn paD jAtI hai. main gnAyak hUn. us gnAyakakA astitva jo usane grahaN kiyA, vibhAvase nyArA, pUrNa-apUrNa paryAy jitanA bhI main nahIn hUn, guNake bhed bhI meremen nahIn hai, vah jo dRuShTi gnAyak par sthApit huyI, vah dRuShTi to haTatI nahIn. parantu use gnAnamen hai ki ye vibhAv khaDA hai. abhI paryAy adhUrI hai. svabhAvakA vedan Anshik hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT hokar, gnAyakakI savikalpa dhArAmen Anshik shAntikA vedan hotA hai, parantu abhI pUrNa nahIn hai, apUrNa hai. abhI ye vibhAvakI, vikalpakI jAl chalatI hai, use jAnatA hai. usamen-se apanI pariNatiko svayam bhinna karatA huA, puruShArtha karatA huA, dRuShTike sAth usakI puruShArthakI Dor sAth hI sAth rahatI hai.

vah vibhAvamen ekatva hotA nahIn. aur jitanI usakI ugratA ho, us anusAr karatA jAtA hai. aisA karate-karate hI usakI bhUmikA palaTatI hai. chauthI bhUmikAmen ho, usamense pAnchavI, chhaThavIn, sAtavIn bhUmikAmen vah nij svabhAvakI Dorako khInchatA huA (Age baDhatA hai). aisI usakI virakti, gnAnakI ugratA, gnAtAkI-gnAtAdhArAkI tIvratA aur viraktI baDhatI jAy, isaliye usake svabhAvakI ekadam nirmalatA hotI jAtI hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA baDhatI jAtI hai, vah sAthamen hI rahatI hai. vah aisA vichAr nahIn karatA hai ki pragaTakI apekShAse aisA hai. parantu usakI puruShArthakI Dor chAlU hI hai. dRuShTi chAlU hai aur puruShArthakI Dor bhI sAthamen chAlU hI hai.

mumukShu- ... aisI koI visheShatA hogI ki ek hI viShayako chAron orase spaShTa karanekI aisI hI koI... bahut sundar spaShTIkaraN Apane Aj kiyA.

samAdhAna- jise sAdakadashA pragaT hotI hai, vah to apane mArga par chalA jAtA hai. koI bAhar kahe yA na kahe, parantu sAdhakakI dashAmen usakI aisI hI dashA hotI hai. gurudevako to koI apUrva vANIkA yog thA to ekadam spaShTa kar-karake sabako nishchay aur vyavahAr, gnAn, darshan Adi sabako spaShTa karake batA diyA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevashrIke pratham darshan sampradAyamen Apako kahAn hue the?

samAdhAna- pahale vaDhavANamen hI hue. nAraNabhAIne dIkShA lI thI, tab dIkShAkA prasang thA. pahale vaDhavANamen, bAdamen vInchhiyA, sab jagaha.

mumukShu- vInchhiyA Ap padhAre the?

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samAdhAna- hAn, vInchhiyA AyI thI. nAraNabhAIne dIkShA lI, usake bAd unhonne samAdhi Adi kuchh kiyA thA.

mumukShu- hAn, santhArA karanevAle the.

samAdhAna- hAn, taba.

mumukShu- us vakta Ap padhAre the?

samAdhAna- hAn. tab AyI thI. bAkI pahale nAraNabhAIkI dIkShA thI na? vaDhavANamen dIkShA thI na, us vakta gurudevake darshan hue the. usake pahale himmatabhAI Adi sab bAt karate the.

mumukShu- us samay pravachanamen samyagdarshanakI bAt AtI thI?

samAdhAna- hAn, samyagdarshanakI bAt AtI thI. man, vachan, kAyAse us pAr virAjatA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai. tab pandrah sAlakI umra thI. us samaya. vaDhavANamen gurudevake darshan hue us samaya.

mumukShu- pahalI bAr?

samAdhAna- hAn, pahalI bAra. inakI vANI hI alag hai, ye alag kahate hain aur AtmAkA svarUp batA rahe hain. bAt to pahale himmatabhAI aur vajubhAIke pAsase sunI thI, parantu darshan nahIn kiye the. ve to gurudevake pravachanamen-se likhate the. pahale main karAnchI rahatI thI, isaliye darshan nahIn hue the.

mumukShu- pahale to vajubhAIne... gurudevakA pratham parichay Apako? himmatabhAIse pahale.

samAdhAna- hAn, unhonne noT bUk likhI thI. pUrI noTabuk likhI thI, abhI bhI hai. pravachana.

mumukShu- aisA, us vakta pravachanamen-se! mumukShu- main to paDhatA thA. parIkShA dekar ve nivRutta the. abhI naukarI nahIn milI thI.

mumukShu- Ap kahAn paDhate the? mumukShu- main ahemadAbAdamen. unakA injInayarIng pUrA kiyA, abhI naukarI nahIn milI thI. pUrA chaumAsA unhen naukarI nahIn thI, isaliye nivRutta the.

samAdhAna- phir unhonne kahA ki, yahAn mahArAj Aye hain, kuchh alag bAt karate hain.

mumukShu- ve likhate the. mahArAj Aye hain. ... kahate hain, samakit arthAt jain dharma sachchA hai aur sAmAyik, pratikramaN karate hain, isaliye pAnchavAn guNasthAn hai. ye

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mahArAj to kahate hain ki siddha bhagavAn jaisA Ananda AtA hai. nyAyase vichArane par sachchA lagatA hai.

mumukShu- Apako gurudevakA parichay kab huA? mumukShu- bas, phir ... kI chhUTTIyAn hotI hai, divAlIkI chhUTTI hotI thI, tab jAte the. bhAIko usake pahale .. kAlamen bhI parichay huA thA.

mumukShu- mUlamen pahale vahAn-se shurUAt kI. bAdamen Apako aur bahinako.

samAdhAna- bAdamen main AyI na. nAraNabhAIkI dIkShAkA prasang thA, tab darshan hue. pandrah varShakI umramen. bachapanase karAnchImen baDI huyI na.

mumukShu- karAnchImen Ap chAr sAl rahe.

mumukShu- baDeko baDA lAbh aur jaldI lAbh milA.

samAdhAna- phir gurudev bolate, unakA pravachan alag thA. isaliye turanta hI Ashcharya lagatA ki ye kuchh alag hI kahate hain. shvetAmbar sampradAyamenn ek akShar bole, bAkI sab Uparase bolate hon. usamen to artha Uparase karate hon.

mumukShu- gurudev kahate the ki, pUrA pravachan ghar jAkar likh lete hain. akSharasha. vah bhAvanagar?

samAdhAna- hAn.

mumukShu- vAnkAner Ap bAdamen gaye?

samAdhAna- vAnkAner bAdamen. phir to main thoDA samay vaDhavANamen rahI, usake bAd vAnkAner gayI.

mumukShu- bhAIko us vakta bhAvanagaramen naukarI thI. sabase pahale ahemadAbAd, phir bhAvanagar, phir vAnkAnera.

samAdhAna- bhAvanagaramen naukarI thI na, isaliye main vahAn gayI thI.

mumukShu- hAn, bhAIko naukarI vahAn thI, isaliye Ap vAnkAner rahe. Ap vahAn naukarI par lage to vahAn Aye.

mumukShu- bhAvanagar, lImbaDI, ... karavAte the. mumukShu- hAn, gurudev kahate the. bahinako dUrase dekhA tabase lagA ki ye shakti kuchh alag hai. gurudev khush hue. gurudevako khyAl A gayA.

samAdhAna- ... mere sAth charchA karate. isaliye mujhe aisA lagatA ki jahAn janma liyA vah sachchA nahIn hotA. phir vichAr karake nakkI aisA hI hotA thA ki gurudev jo kahate hain, vahI sachchA hai. Ap bhale kuchh bhI kaho, parantu yahI satya hai. mujhe aisA hI nakkI hotA thA ki, Ap yah satya, yah satya aisA kaho, lekin satya

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to yahI hai. vichAr karake... gurudev aisA apUrva rItase kahate the. yahI satya hai. nakkI vichArase hotA thA, parantu aisA lagatA thA ki yahI satya hai.

mumukShu- Ap bahut tarkamen nahIn Utarate the.

samAdhAna- yahI bAt satya hai. shakkarakA svabhAv aur kAlI jirI, donon bhinna- bhinna hain. aise AtmAkA svabhAv bhinna hai aur vibhAv bhinna hai. barAbar aisA hI hai, aise hI bhedagnAn hotA hai. aise vichAr A jAte the. gurudev kahate ki AtmA bhinna, vikalpa bhinna, usase AtmA bhinna hai. do svabhAv hI bhinna hain, isaliye vah bhinna hai.

mumukShu- sIdhA aisA AnekA kAraN, pUrvakA kAraN?

samAdhAna- vichAr to bahut Ate the. usamense aisA nakkI ho gayA. pUrvakA kAraN...

mumukShu- samakit le legI, aur ye kahate ki kitanA dUr hai. hAth batAkara.

samAdhAna- bahut bhAvanA ho na, us parase main kahatI thI ki itanA dUr hai. aise kuchh mAlUm nahIn paDatA, parantu mere bhAvase (kahatI thI).

mumukShu- dUsarI bAr vekeshanamen AyA, kahA, samakit kahAn phijUl paDA hai. champA! ab samakit kitanA dUr hai? mujhe lagA, utanA hI kahegI. to AdhA kahA. itanA. tIsarI bAr to le liyA thA.

samAdhAna- andarase aisA lage na ki ye sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna. aisI-aisI bhAvanA andar AtI rahe, us parase aisA lage. lekin aise thoDe hI nakkI hotA hai. parantu merA bhAv hI aisA kahatA thA.

mumukShu- bhAvanagar sachchI..

samAdhAna- andarase aisI hUmph A jAtI thI.

mumukShu- andarakA jor batAtA hai ki itanA dUr hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA pratAp hai. unhonne kahA to mArga milA, anyathA mArga kahAn mile? gurudevakI kahanekI shailI aur aise bhAvase (kahate the). ve svayam hI koI apUrva tIrthankarakA dravya, isaliye kuchh alag hI kahate the. unakA janma sabako tAraneke liye huA.