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mumukShu- Aj charchA sunate samay manamen ek vichAr A gayA ki jaise samayasArake sAth pravachanasArakA mel hai. to ... usakA sachchA gnAn barAbar gnAnapradhAn .... . aise gurudev aur Apako dononko sune to use jo chAhiye, jo kShati ho to vah Apake parichayase use spaShTa ho. dononkA sumel ho aisA lage. gurudevake pAs bahut sunA hai, phir bhI Apase jab dUsarA prakAr jAnaneko mile tab mAnon sandhi hotI ho, aisA lage.

samAdhAna- ... dRuShTi-gnAnakI sandhi AtI thI. parantu pakaDanA (kaThin paDatA thA). AdamIkI jaisI dRuShTi ho, vaisA pakaDe.

mumukShu- dRuShTikA viShay aur gnAnakA viShay, dononke melamen bahut sUkShmatA hai.

samAdhAna- usamen bhUl ho aisA hai.

mumukShu- Aj to bahut sundar (spaShTIkaraN AyA).

samAdhAna- dRuShTAnta hai. logonko pUranapUrIkA hotA hai na, isaliye pUranapUrIkA dRuShTAnta diyA. bAkI chaitanyakA apUrva Ananda alag aur pUranaporI to jaD hai. parantu logonko samajhAnA kaise? isaliye gurudevane dRuShTAnta diyA.

mumukShu- vah Ananda hamen mAlUm paDe, us prakArase bhAShAmen A sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- bhAShAmen na Aye. vah to anupam hai. jagatakI koI vastukI use upamA nahIn de sakate. vah to apUrva hai. chaitanya vastu alag, usake guN alag, usakA Ananda alaga. sab alag hai. vah to use samajhAneke liye anek prakArase upamA dI hai. gurudevane bhinna-bhinna prakArakI upamA dI. pUranapUrIkI de, ghIkI de, anek jAtakI de. ghIkA svAd kaisA? gurudev bahut bAr kahate the, usakA varNan karane jAy to kar na sake. vaise AtmAkA Ananda apUrva hai.

chAron orase logonko usakA svAd hotA hai, us dRuShTise. bAkI chaitanya vastu alag hai aur yah jaD vastu alag hai. bAkI use koI jaDakI upamA lAgU nahIn paDatI. devalokakI RuddhikI upamA bhI use lAgU nahIn paDatI. indrakA indrAsan aur devalokakI Ruddhi... "rajakaN ke Ruddhi vaimAnik devanI, sarve mAnyA pudagal ek svabhAv jo.' sab

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pudagalake svabhAv hai. vah svabhAv aur chaitanya svabhAv donon alag vastu hai. chaitanyakA Ananda apUrva hai. vah to anupam hai. use koI upamA lAgU nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- chaitanya merA dev hai, use hI main dekhatA hUn. dUsarA kuchh mujhe dikhatA hI nahIn.

samAdhAna- chaitanyakI or dRuShTi gayI, vah dRuShTi vahAn sthApit ho gayI. to dRuShTi ab chaitanyako hI dekhatI hai, dUsarA vibhAv dikhatA nahIn. dRuShTike Age vibhAv gauN ho jAtA hai. use sab gnAn hai ki abhI adhUrI avasthA hai, abhI pUrNa kevalagnAn huA nahIn hai, abhI bAkI hai. vah sab gnAnamen jAnatA hai. parantu dRuShTi chaitanyakI or gayI, vah dRuShTi vahAn sthApit ho gayI to main mere chaitanyadevako hI dekhatA hUn, bAkI sab usake Age gauN ho jAtA hai.

main akelA chaitanya ananta mahimAse, ananta svabhAvase bharA huA chaitanya, divya shaktise bharA aisA chaitanyadev, use hI main dekhatA hUn. antaramen jahAn jAtA hUn to chaitanyadave hI dikhatA hai. vibhAv mujhe dikhatA nahIn. usakI dRuShTikI apekShAse (kahA hai). merI najar vahIn thambh gayI hai, bAhar kahIn merI dRuShTi jAtI nahIn. gnAnakA upayog jAtA hai, us bAtako gauN karake dRuShTi chaitanyako hI dekhatI hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTi arthAt shraddhA, utanA hI nahIn? najar bhI vahAn thambh gayI hai?

samAdhAna- najar vahAn thambh gayI hai. shraddhA mAtra buddhise kar lI, aise shraddhA nahIn. chaitanyakA astitva pahachAnakar us par dRuShTi thambh gayI hai, najar vahAn thambh gayI hai.

mumukShu- aisA AtA hai ki vibhAv pariNAm hote samay hI teremen nirmalatA bharI hai, parantu tU vibhAvamen tanmay ho rahA hai. agnAnI vibhAvamen tanmay ho rahA hai.

samAdhAna- us samay nirmalatA svabhAvamen to hai, parantu agnAn avasthAmen vah vibhAvamen tanmay ho gayA hai. parantu vibhAvamen tanmay ho gayA, isaliye usakI nirmalatAkA nAsh nahIn ho gayA. usakI svabhAv-shaktimen nirmalatA to bharI hai. jis kShaN vah tanmay ho rahA hai, usI kShaN nirmalatA usamen shaktirUpase bharI hai. usakA nAsh nahIn huA hai. us samay yadi tU terI dRuShTi badal to tere svayammen tU nirmalatAkA piNDa hai aur shaktise bharA hai. usI vakta dRuShTi badal to terA astitva maujUd hI hai. kahIn khojane jAnA paDe aisA nahIn hai, tU svayam hI hai. isaliye dRuShTi badal to usI kShaN teremen nirmalatA bharI hai. dRuShTi badalatA nahIn hai, isaliye vibhAvamen tanmay ho rahA hai, dRuShTi bAhar hai isaliye.

mumukShu- agnAnI ho use bhI astitvakA utanA hI khyAl A sakatA hai?

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samAdhAna- astitvakA khyAl A sake, phir usakI yathArtha pratIti aur pariNaman nahIn hai. khyAl to Aye. jo palaTatA hai vah sab vibhAvamen-se palaTatA hai na. pahale to koI svabhAvakA gnAn hotA nahIn. jo palaTatA hai, jo svabhAv-or jAtA hai, vah agnAn avasthA ho usamen-se gnAn hotA hai. isaliye astitvakA gnAn ho sakatA hai. parantu usakI yathArtha pariNati aur bhedagnAn bAdamen hote hain. parantu use astitvakA khyAl A sakatA hai ki main yah chaitanya hUn, yah vibhAv hai. aise khyAlamen le sakatA hai.

mumukShu- gnAn parase gnAyak par kaise jAnA? gnAnaguN pragaT dikhatA hai, to gnAyak par kaise jAnA?

samAdhAna- gnAnaguN hai vah ek paryAyamAtra nahIn hai. vartamAn jAne utanA gnAn, aisA nahIn. parantu gnAn, ek gnAyak astitva, gnAnakA astitva grahaN karanA. gnAn gnAnarUp.. vartamAn jAne isaliye gnAn, usane kuchh jAnA isaliye gnAn hai, aisA nahIn. parantu vah pUrA gnAnakA astitva hai. dravyarUp gnAnakA ek astitva hai. aise gnAyakako grahaN karanA. bAharase jAnA, gneyako jAnA isaliye gnAn, par-or usakI dRuShTi gayI aur jo jAnanemen AyA vah gnAn, aisA nahIn. parantu gnAyak svayam, gnAn svayam astitva svatasiddha hai. aise gnAyakako grahaN karanA.

jitanA gnAnamAtra vah main. kuchh jAnA isaliye gnAn, aisA nahIn. svayam jAnanevAlA jo gnAyak svabhAv hai vahI main hUn. aise gnAyak-or, akhaNDa astitvakI or dRuShTi denI ki yah jo jAnanevAlA hai vah main hUn. ise jAnA, ise jAnA isaliye gnAn, aisA nahIn. parantu gnAyakakA astitva jAnanasvarUp hai, vah maiain hUn.

mumukShu- gneyonkA jAnanarUp gnAn utanA hI gnAn nahIn.

samAdhAna- utanA hI gnAn nahIn, parantu svayam gnAn hai. gnAyakatA anantatAse bharI gnAyakatA hai, ananta agAdhatAse bharI gnAyakatA vah main gnAyak hUn. koI kArya kare, prakAsh ho to prakAshakA kArya kare, aisA nahIn. prakAshakA punj hai vahI prakAsh hai. barphakA punj hai vahI barpha hai. parantu ThaNDekA kArya isaliye barpha hai, aisA nahIn. parantu vah vastu svayam hI ThaNDasvarUp hai. vastu svayam hI prakAshakA punj hai. aise chaitanya svayam hI gnAyak jAnanasvabhAvase bharI vastu hai. aise gnAyakako grahaN karanA. vah kArya karatA hai isaliye gnAn, aisA nahIn. parantu svayam gnAnarUp hI hai.

mumukShu- paryAy parase dravya par jAnA..

samAdhAna- hAn, pUrA gnAyak svayam hai.

mumukShu- us jIvako astitvakA khyAl Aye, usakA artha gnAyakakA khyAl Aye?

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samAdhAna- gnAyakakA, akhaNDa gnAyak anantatAse bharA gnAyakakA astitva khyAlamen Aye.

mumukShu- mArgakI yukti sUjh jAy to mArga mil jAya. usamen yuktimen kyA kahanA hai?

samAdhAna- svayamko gnAyak kaise grahaN karanA vah yukti hai. yah gnAn hai aur yah rAg hai, aisI bhedagnAnakI yukti sUjh jAya. ye rAg vibhAv hai, jo shubhAshubh bhAv hai, vah main nahIn hUn. parantu main gnAyak hUn. aise svayamko gnAn dvArA-pragnAchhainI dvArA bhinna kare, nij gnAnalakShaNako grahaN kar le, vah yukti hai. isamen gnAnalakShaN kaun-sA aur vibhAvakA lakShaN kaun-sA, un dononke lakShaNako pahachAnakar, main yah gnAyak hUn aur yah vibhAv hai, aise bhinnatA kare. yukti sUjh jAy arthAt svayam apanA lakShaN pahachAn le, antaramen gaharAImen jAkara.

mumukShu- Ap bolate ho to tab aisA lagatA hai, mAnon ekadam saral hai. aisA lagatA hai. to itanA kaThin kyon ho gayA hogA?

samAdhAna- anAdikA abhyAs hai. usamen vibhAvamen aisA tanmay ho gayA hai ki use gnAnako bhinna karanA mushkil paDatA hai ki main yah gnAyak hUn aur yah vibhAv hai. is prakAr use bhinna karanemen (kaThin paDatA hai). svayam anAdike abhyAsase itanA tanmay ho gayA hai, isaliye antaramen jAnemen aur sUkShma honemen use mushkil paDatA hai, isaliye use kaThin lagatA hai. bAkI vastu to donon bhinna hI hain.

gnAyak vah gnAyak hai aur vibhAvakI paryAyen vah svayamkA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai. vastu to vastu hI hai. isaliye vah to sahaj hai. apanA svabhAv hai isaliye sahaj aur sugam hai, parantu anAdike abhyAsake kAraN use durlabh ho gayA hai. dRuShTi bAhar dauDatI rahatI hai. isaliye antaramen use sthir karanI, svayamko grahaN karanA use mushkil ho gayA hai.

nij nayananI ALase,.. gurudev kahate the na? nirakhyA nahi harine jarI. nij netrakI Alasake kAraN svayam dekhatA nahIn hai. usamen anAdi kAl vyatIt kiyAA. bAharase kahInse prApta hogA, isamen-se prApta hogA, kriyAmen-se prApta hogA, kuchh bAharakA karake prApta hogA, aisA mAn-mAnakar kAl vyatIt kiyA. parantu antar dRuShTi karake nij svabhAvako pahachAnA nahIn.

gurudevane baDe dhodh bahAye hain. sabako saral aur sugam kar diyA. AtmAkI utanI mahimA batAyI, AtmA koI apUrva, usakA bhedagnAn kaise ho? unakI vANImen utanA joradAr AtA thA. parantu karanekA svayamko bAkI rah jAtA hai. kahIn kisIkI bhUl na rahe, itanA joradAr kahate the aur utanA saral aur sugam karake kahate the.

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mumukShu- gurudevane to bahut batAyA, lekin bhUlamen-se Apane hamen bAhar nikAlA. Apake pratApase ham... nahIn to ham bahut baDI bhUlamen paDe the.

mumukShu- koI bAr to antaramen Dherake Dher lag jAy aur kabhI sahaj jaisA ho vaisA rahatA hai. in donommen antar kyA hai?

samAdhAna- koI bAr puruShArthakI gati aisI jAtakI ho to antaramen-se Dherake Dher lag jAya. koI bAr sahaj dashA ho aisA Aye. abhI jabatak vItarAg dashA nahIn huyI hai, kShAyik vItarAgaparyAy nahIn huyI hai to puruShArthakI gati abhI kShayopasham bhAvarUp hai na? isaliye kabhI Dher lag jAy, kabhI madhyam dikhe, kabhI aisA dikhe, is arthamen hai.

mumukShu- koI bAr Ananda adhik Aye, kabhI kam Aye, aisA?

samAdhAna- Ananda adhik Aye aisA nahIn. usakI dashA baDhatI jAya. usakI savikalpatAmen bhI dashA baDhatI jAy aur nirvikalpatAmen bhI dashA baDhatI jAya. muni chhaThaven- sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate ho, to kShayopasham chAritra hai. antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen svarUpamen lIn hote hain. to unakI chAritrakI dashA to chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhule aisI hai. to bhI unhen koI visheSh gADhapanA (hotA hai). savikalpatAmen visheShatA dikhe, nirvikalpatAmen visheShatA dikhe, aise anek prakArakA dikhe. koI gnAnakI nirmalatA dikhe, darshanakI avagADhatA, koI chAritramen visheShatA dikhe. darshan to ek prakArakA hotA hai, parantu avagADhatA (baDhatI hai). gnAn, chAritra Adi anek prakAr dikhe.

mumukShu- ... "main hUn' aisA svayamko svayamse astitvakA jor Aye. usamen "main hUn' aise do akShar hI hain. main kaisA hUn? kitanA hUn? aisA kuchh nahIn. main hUn.

samAdhAna- apanA astitva grahaN karanemen kahIn bhed nahIn paDatA. svayam apanA astitva (grahaN karatA hai). dRuShTi kahIn bhed nahIn karatI. apanA astitva "main hUn', apanA astitva use gnAyakarUp-se grahaN hotA hai. usamen yah gnAnaguN hai aur yah dravya hai, guN aur guNI aisA koI bhed nahIn paDatA. svayam apanA astitva, chetanakA astitva chaitanyarUp-se grahaN hotA hai. dRuShTimen koI bhed nahIn hotA. isaliye main hUn, aise svayamkA astitva svayamko antaramen-se grahaN honA chAhiye. dRuShTike viShayamen usakA pUrA astitva use grahaN honA chAhiye. aise arthamen hai.

phir gnAnamen bhed paDate hain. gnAn dRuShTiko grahaN kare, gnAn dRuShTikA viShay jAne aur gnAn bhedako bhI jAne. sab gnAnamen AtA hai. dRuShTi to apanA astitva-sAmAnya astitva grahaN karatI hai. usamen guN-guNIkA bhed bhI nahIn hotA. svayamkA astitva svatasiddha hai use grahaN karatI hai. main hUn, aise. main yah hUn.

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mumukShu- sIdhA abheda.

samAdhAna- hAn, abhed main chaitanya hUn. sabase bhinna main chaitanya hUn. usakA vistAr karanemen... main chaitanya hUn, jo vibhAvabhAv Adi hain, vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main chaitanya hUn. use svayamko main chaitanya hUn, is prakAr apanA astitva grahaN hotA hai. main anya kuchh nahIn hUn, main ek chaitanya hUn. meremen gnAn hai, meremen Ananda hai, vah sab bhed gnAnamen Ate hain. (dRuShTi) usakA astitva grahaN karatI hai. main hUn so hUn, main chaitanya astitva hUn.

mumukShu- .. bhAvamen sIdhA abhed AtA hai. ApakI to vANImen bhI abhed AtA hai. Aj to bahut sundar (AyA).

samAdhAna- sachchA to dRuShTimen abhed Aye. vANI bole usamen bhed paDatA hai. parantu dRuShTi kyA kArya karatI hai? vah kah sakate hain. dRuShTikA kArya aisA hai ki abhed grahaN karatI hai. svayam svayam grahaN ho gayA, svayam svayamse, apanA chaitanya astitva-main yah hUn. aisA use bal A gayA ki main chaitanya hI hUn. chaitanya so chaitanya hI hUn. kisIko pUchhane nahIn jAnA paDatA. main chaitanya hUn, is prakAr antaramen-se grahaN ho gayA.

jo mArga gurudevane batAyA, vahI main chaitanya hUn. jo dev-guru-shAstra batAte hain, vah main chaitanya hUn. usakI pariNati antaramen-se astitva grahaN kar letI hai. antaramen-se grahaN kare vah alag hotA hai.

mumukShu- .. phir antaramen-se grahaN kare to kitanI hUmphalage.

samAdhAna- hAn, usakI hUmph to (alag hI hai). chAron or vyartha prayatna karatA thA, use antaramen-se chaitanya grahaN ho jAy, to use hUmph hI Aye na.