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samAdhAna- .. aise gurudev the. vah labdharUp alag hai aur yah labdharUp alag hai. use svayamko chaitanya nij astitvamen grahaN huA hai. aur vah astitva svayam grahaN karake phir svAnubhUtimen jo vedan huA hai, vah vedan use... vah parokSha hai usamen aur yah parokSha hai, isamen pharka hai. donon labdharUp (hain), lekin us labdha-labdhamen pharka hai.

mumukShu- vah to smaraNamAtra hai ki..

samAdhAna- smaraNamAtra hai. ye to chaitanyako svayam chaitanyakA vedan (huA hai). upayog bAhar hai. usakI svAnubhUti abhI nahIn hai, lekin chaitanyakA jo astitva hai vah astitva to usake hAthamen hai. savikalpa dashAmen bhI usakA astitva to usake hAthamen hai. aur upayog apanI or Aye to shIghra usakA vedan ho sake aisA hai. vah use smaraNamAtra nahIn hai. vah parokSha aur yah parokShamen pharka hai.

mumukShu- Ap kal aisA bole the ki najaramen pratyakSha hai.

samAdhAna- usakI najar sthApit hai, chaitanya par najar sthApit hai. ye to samIp hai. gurudevakA hai vah dUravartI hai, chaitanya to svayamko samIp hI hai. aur upayog badale to bhI svAnubhUtikA vedan turanta usake hAthamen hai, Dor usake hAthamen hai. vah parokSha aur is parokShamen antar hai. labdha hai, lekin ughADarUp hai. use ughAD aisA hai ki andar upayog lIn ho to use svAnubhUtikA vedan usI kShaN ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShu- upayog laDAIkA ho to bhI svAnubhUtikA vedan..

samAdhAna- upayog laDAImen (bhale ho), lekin Dor apane hAthamen hai. upayog us or hai, lekin upayog palaT sake aisA hai. svayam pariNati palaTe to svayam apanemen lIn ho sake aisA hai. Dor apane hAthamen hai. astitva apanA grahaN (kiyA hai). bhedagnAnakI dhArA chAlU hai. Dor usake hAthamen hI hai.

mumukShu- nIndamen ho to bhI najar vahAn sthApit hai?

samAdhAna- najar chaitanya par sthApit hai. chaitanyako chhoDakar svayam ekadam bAhar nahIn chalA gayA hai. usakA upayog bAhar gayA hai. parantu dRuShTi to usamen sthApit hI

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hai. gharamen khaDe hue manuShyakI dRuShTi bAhar (hai), ghar chhoDakar nahIn gayA hai. gharake bAhar khaDA ho to, ek pair gharake andar aur ek pair gharake bAhar, ye to sthUl dRuShTAnta hai. vaise ghar chhoDakar bAhar nahIn chalA gayA hai, usakA upayog bAhar gayA hai. usakA upayog palaTe to usakA kadam apanI or A sake aisA hai. lekin puruShArthakI kamajorIke kAraN usakA upayog bAhar gayA hai. aur savikalpakI dhArA, gnAtAkI dhArA chAlU hai. upayog palaTe to svayam apanemen svAnubhUtikA vedan kar sake aisA hai. lekin usakI dashA anusAr hotA hai. usakI jaisI bhUmikA ho, us anusAr hotA hai. dRuShTi andar chaitanyamen hai, upayog bAhar gayA hai.

mumukShu- chhaThaven guNasthAnamen dRuShTi andar chaitanyamen hai. upayog bAhar hai.

samAdhAna- dRuShTi to chaitanyamen hai. chauthe guNasthAnamen dRuShTi chaitanyamen hai aur chhaThaven guNasthAnamen dRuShTi chaitanyamen hai. chhaThaven guNasthAnamen upayog bAhar hai, lekin usamen unakI lInatA, dRuShTike sAth lInatA adhik hai. chaturtha guNasthAnamen dRuShTike sAth usakI lInatA, svarUpAcharaN chAritra jitanA pragaT huA utanI lInatA hai. aur chhaThaven guNasthAnamen usakI lInatA baDh gayI hai. dRuShTike sAth lInatA bhI hai. lekin upayog bAhar gayA hai, utanI lInatA (kam hai), abhI kevalagnAn nahIn hai, isaliye utanI lInatAmen kShati hai. parantu chhaThaven guNasthAnakI lInatA to hai.

savikalpatAmen bhI dRuShTi hai, usake sAth lInatA bhI hai. chhaThaven guNasthAnamen usakI bhUmikA chhaThaven guNasthAnakI hai, isaliye utanI lInatA, savikalpatAmen bhI utanI lInatA hai, lekin upayog bAhar (gayA hai). antaramen jAy to vah sAtavIn bhUmikA hotI hai. parantu savikalpatAmen bhI chhaThavIn bhUmikAmen jitanI dRuShTi sthApit hai, usake sAth lInatA bhI hai. chhaThaven guNasthAnamen akelI dRuShTi hai aisA nahIn hai, usake sAth lInatA bhI hai. utanI chAritrakI dashA sAthamen hai.

mumukShu- Ap jo kahate ho ki pariNati gADh hotI jAtI hai, to vah lInatA baDhatI jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- lInatA baDhatI jAtI hai. aur amuk prakArase lInatA, chhaThaven guNasthAnamen chhaThavIn bhUmikAkI lInatA hai. aisI lInatA hai ki upayog antarmuhUrta bAhar jAy, phir antarmuhUrtake bAd antaramen AtA hI. aisI usakI ugra lInatA hai. bArambAr upayog antaramen AtA hai. antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen. chaturtha bhUmikAmen antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen andar nahIn A sakatA hai. kyonki usakI bhUmikA amuk hai. aur chhaThaven-sAtavemmen to antarmuhUrtamen antaramen AtA hai.

mumukShu- .. yah chhaThavAn hai, vah kaise mAlUm paDe? usakI lInatA parase khyAl

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AtA hai?

samAdhAna- usakI lInatA parase. usakI svAnubhUtikI dashA aur savikalpatAkI lInatA amuk prakArakI (hotI hai). chhaThaven guNasthAnakI lInatA pragaT ho to use gRuhasthAshramake vikalpa bhI chhUT jAte hain. chhaThavIn bhUmikAmen munikI dashA pragaT hotI hai. pAnchavIn bhUmikA Aye tab usake vikalpa amuk prakArake ho jAte hain aur lInatA bhI antaramen visheSh hotI hai. dRuShTike sAth lInatA baDh jAtI hai.

mumukShu- arthAt jitanI nirvikalpa dashA huyI, utanI hI lInatA huyI, aisA nahIn.

samAdhAna- nirvikalpa dashA par bhI usakA nAp hai, parantu usakI vartamAn jo lInatA hai us par usakA nAp hai. usakI bhUmikA pUrI palaT jAtI hai. chhaThavIn bhUmikA ho gayI. chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen aisI usakI dashA (palaT jAtI hai). vartamAn nirvikalpa dashA to baDhatI gayI, lekin vartamAn jo savikalpa dhArA hai, us savikalpatAmen bhI usakI lInatA visheSh hai. bhedagnAnakI gnAyakatAkI ugratA aur lInatA visheSh hai. use jo amuk prakArake vikalpa (hote hain), vah vikalpa amuk prakArake hI Ate hain. gnAyakakI utanI lInatA baDh jAtI hai, savikalpatAmen bhI.

mumukShu- chhaThaven guNasthAnamen do jIv hon to dononkI lInatAmen pharka hogA.

samAdhAna- usakI bhUmikA ek hai. isaliye bhUmikA palaTe... vartamAnamen tAratamyatA hotI hai, lInatAmen tAratamyatA ho sakatI hai. svarUpAcharaN chAritramen usakI tAratamyatAmen pheraphAr ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- samyagdRuShTi jIvakI prashansA karate ho to vah lInatAkI apekShAse prashansA karate hain? ki inakI lInatA visheSh hai, inakI lInatA kam hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev kyA kahate hon, vah gurudevakA abhiprAy...

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen jagah-jagah bhAvanAkA mahatva bahut AtA hai. to bhAvanA paryApta hai?

samAdhAna- vah to pratham bhUmikAmen bhAvanA AtI hai. phir to samyagdarshan, chAritra dashA baDhatI jAtI hai. pahale jisane kuchh prApta nahIn kiyA hai, use bhAvanA (AtI hai). svayam yathArtha bhAvanA kare to phal Aye. bhAvanA ho to use puruShArtha hue binA rahatA hI nahIn.

usakI bhAvanA ugra ho ki mujhe chaitanya hI chAhiye, dUsarA kuchh nahIn chAhiye, aisI antaramen se bhAvanA ho to usake sAth puruShArtha bhI pragaT hue binA rahatA hI nahIn. yadi use us jAtakI bhAvanA nahIn hai, antar chaitanyakI or ruchi nahIn hai, bhAvanA nahIn hai to usakA puruShArtha bhI us or jAtA nahIn. ruchi ho, bhAvanA ho to hI

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usakA puruShArtha (us or jAtA hai).

bAharakI ruchi aur bAharakI bhAvanA ho to puruShArtha apanI or muDatA nahIn. isaliye bhAvanA, jignAsA ugra kare to apanI or puuruShArtha muD sakatA hai. apanI ruchike binA kArya hotA nahIn. ruchi aur bhAvanA ho to puruShArtha hotA hai. shurUAtakI bhUmikAmen vah bhAvanA AtI hai. terI bhAvanA yathArtha hogI to kArya hogA.

mumukShu- bhAvanA ugra ho to dUsare kAraN svata prApta ho jAte hain?

samAdhAna- to kAraN prApta ho jAte hain. terI bhAvanA ugra ho to sab kAraN antaramen prApta ho jAyenge. terI bhAvanA... yadi tujhe antaramen chain na paDe ki mujhe chaitanya prApta ho to hI shAnti hogI, chaitanyake binA shAnti na ho, chaitanyakA svabhAv pragaT na ho tabatak use chain na paDe aisI bhAvanA ho to use sarva kAraN prApta ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- bAharamen dukh lage to andar Aye binA rahe nahIn aur dUsarI jagah aisA hai ki ekAnta dukhake balase bhinna paDe aisA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- bAharamen yadi use ruchi lagatI ho aur bAharamen sukh lage to vah vApas hI nahIn muDatA. isaliye bAhar kahIn sukh nahIn hai. bAharamen AkulatA aur dukh hI hai. is prakAr dukh lage to vApas muDe. lekin akelA dukh-dukh karatA rahe aur apanA astitva grahaN na kare to bhI antaramen A nahIn sakatA. apanA astitva grahaN kare ki bAhar to dukh hai, lekin sukh kahAn hai? sukh meere AtmAmen hai. ek gnAyakako grahaN kare, svabhAv grahaN kare to vApas muDe.

sab Asrav AkulatArUp hai, viparIt hai, dukh hai, dukhakA kAraN hai, aisA use antaramen ho. parantu main kaun hUn? aise yadi nij astitva grahaN na ho to ye sab dukh hai, dukh hai aisA karate rahanese, ekAnta aisA karanese nahIn hotA. us dukhake pIchh nij astitva grahaN ho to pragaT ho. dukh bhI lage aur apanA svabhAv kyA hai, use bhI grahaN kare, to pragaT ho.

lekin paraspar sambandha hai. jise dukh lage vah svayamko antaramen khoje binA nahIn rahatA. aur jo nij astitva yathArtha rUpase grahaN karatA hai, use bAharamen dukh lage binA nahIn rahatA. aisA asti-nAstikA sambandha hI hai. apanA astitva grahaN kare to bAharase yah merA svarUp nahIn hai, aisA nAstitva A jAtA hai. aur ye vibhAv hai vah dukharUp hai, merA svabhAv nahIn hai. is prakAr use astipUrvak nAsti Aye. yathArtha astiko grahaN kare to usamen vibhAvakI nAsti A hI jAtI hai. ekadUsareko sambandha hai.

lekin yah vibhAv mujhe nahIn chAhiye, vah astipUrvak yadi grahaN kare to use

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yathArthapane dukh lagA hai. yadi astitva grahaN nahIn karatA hai to yathArtha dukh nahIn lagA hai. ananta kAlase aisA to kiyA ki ye sab dukh hai, dukh hai. aise chhoDanekA prayatna kiyA. parantu antarase yadi sachchA dukh lage to use astitva grahaN hue binA rahatA nahIn. yathArtha laganA chAhiye. to astitva grahaN ho, to hI vah dukhase bhinna paDatA hai.

ananta kAlase bahut bAr yah dukh hai, aisA vairAgya kiyA, lekin astitva grahaN nahIn kiyA. astitva grahaN kare to vah dukh lage. yathArtha dukh lage to astitva grahaN kare. usakA artha yah hai ki ananta kAlase dukh lagA, lekin sachchA dukh hI nahIn lagA hai. sachchA dukh lage to astitva grahaN karatA hI hai.

mumukShu- dononko paraspar sambandha hai.

samAdhAna- paraspar sambandha hai.

mumukShu- .. AtmA gnAnasvarUp hai, aisA svIkAr karanA. aur dUsarI or aisA kahanA ki rAg-dveShake pariNAm mere hain, aisA svIkAr karanA.

samAdhAna- mere nahIn hai, mere hain aisA nahIn. gnAnasvarUp hUn, aise grahaN (kar). mere hain arthAt merI ashuddha pariNatimen hote hain, parantu vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. mere hain, vah ahampanA to anAdi kAlase hai. svAmItvabuddhi nahIn, parantu merI ashuddha pariNatimen vah hotA hai. main merA svabhAv usase bhinna hai, main gnAyak hUn. ye merA svabhAv nahIn hai. aise usakA bhedagnAn kare. mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, parantu vah merA hai aisA nahIn. usakA svAmItva chhoDanA hai. merA hai, aisA nahIn. vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, parantu merA svabhAv nahIn hai. usakA bhedagnAn kare ki main gnAyak hUn aur ye vibhAv hai.

mumukShu- (rAgAdi) pariNAm pudagalakA hai.

samAdhAna- pudagalakA hai aise nahIn, vah to pudagalake nimittase hotA hai. pudagalakA hai arthAt svayam kuchh karatA nahIn aur svayam shuddha hai aur vah pudagal hai, aisA nahIn. apanI ashuddha paryAyamen hotA hai. lekin apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. merA hai aise grahaN nahIn karanA hai. vah merA aur main usakA, aise ekatvabuddhi nahIn (karanI hai). ekatvabuddhi toDanI hai. main gnAyak aur vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. mujhase bhinna hai. lekin mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai.

bhedagnAn karanA. jaDakA hI aisA nahIn. parantu mere puruShArthakI mandatAse, puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. siddha bhagavAn jaise shuddha nirmal hain, vaisA main shAshvat dravya nirmal hUn. parantu vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. lekin hotA hai vah merI paryAyamen hotA hai, parantu vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. use svayammen ekatvarUp mAnanA nahIn, tathApi jaDakA hai aisA

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bhI nahIn. parantu apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, merA svabhAv nahIn hai.

(pudagalake) nimittase hotA hai isaliye pudagalakA. parantu apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai, isaliye apanI paryAyamen, chetanakI paryAyamen hotA hai. parantu svabhAv apanA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- prIti chitten sunI hai, vah bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanam, usamen ham A gaye ki nahIn?

samAdhAna- jisane prItise sunA vah sab A jAte hain. antarakI prItise sunA vah sab A hI jAte hain. aise gurudev mile, aisI apUrva vANI barasAyI. antar prItise jisane bAt sunI, usakA svayamkA hRuday kah de ki main A gayA ki nahIn A gayA. jisane svayamne antar prItise vArtA sunI vah A hI jAtA hai. usakA svayamkA AtmA hI bolatA hai. svayamko kitanI prIti hai, tattvakI ruchi hai, gurudevakI vANI jo tattva batAtI hai, usakI ruchi svayamko kitanI hai, vah svayam hI svayamkA AtmA batA detA hai.

... anAdikA abhyAs hai. karanekA yah tattva gurudevane batAyA, aisA apUrva tattva samajhanekA abhI avasar hai. gurudevane jo batAyA hai, vah mahimAvant tattva hai. puruShArthako badal denA. anAdikA abhyAs hai usamen palaT jAy to bhI badal denA. karanekA ek hI hai.

mumukShu- dravya aur paryAyakI bhinnatAkI bAten bahut karate the. aur Ap dravya evan paryAyakI abhinnatAkI bAten bahut karate ho, abhiprAy to dononkA ek hai.

samAdhAna- abhiprAy to ek hI hai. gurudev bahut karate the aisA nahIn, pravachanamen jab vah viShay Aye tab ve kahate the. aur jab dravya-paryAy, pravachanasArake pravachan hon to gurudev usamen dUsare prakArase kahate the. jis prakArakA viShay ho, pravachanamen jo gAthA AyI ho, us anusAr gurudev kahate the. gurudevakA Ashay vaisA hI thA.