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samAdhAna- ... gurudev shAshvat virAje, sabako virah kyon huA? koI kuchh kar nahIn sakatA. is bharatakShetramen gurudevakA virah ho gayA. koI kisIko kar nahIn sakatA.

mumukShu- bahan! karuNA hove to karuNAke kAraN kArya ban jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- kShetrase dUr ho gaye. aisA kyon hove? bhAvanA, hRudayamen gurudevako rakhanese gurudev bhaviShyamen mil jAte hain. bhAvanA hRudayamen rakho ki aise gurudev jo bhAvike tIrthankar hain, aisI tIrthankar jaisI vANI barasAyI, aise gurudevako hRudayamen virAjamAn karane-se bhaviShyamen unakA yog banatA hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! bhaviShyamen to milenge hI milenge, ham to is bhavamen bhI Apake sAthamen darshan karenge. yah pakkI bAt hai. hamArI bhAvanA aisI hai.

mumukShu- Aj mainne dekhe gaNadharadev, Aj mainne sun liye gaNadharadeva. bolo bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!

samAdhAna- sab antaramen hI karanekA hai. bAharase dRuShTi uThAnI, vah ek hI karanA hai. shAstrommen anek-anek rItase bAt AtI hai, karanekA ek hI hai. gurudevane jo kahA vah ek hI karanA hai. bArambAr antar dRuShTi karanI. bas! antaramen gnAyakako pahachAnanA. usakA lakShaN pahachAnanA ki main chaitanya kaun? aur yah vibhAvalakShaN, chaitanyalakShaN use bhinna karake, apane lakShaNase svayamko pahachAnakar aur andar sthir honA, usakI dRuDhatA karanI, usakI pratIt karanI, vah karanA hai, ek hI karanA hai.

vAnchan, vichAr Adi sab karanA, lagan lagAnI, mahimA karanI, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA. andar chaitanyakI mahimAke dhyeyase sab karanA hai, ek hI karanA hai. kShaN- kShaNamen bas AtmA.. AtmA.. antar AtmAkI lagan lagAnI, vahI karanA hai.

ananta kAl gayA jIvane yah apUrva samyagdarshan prApta nahIn kiyA hai, bAkI sabakuchh prApta ho chUkA hai, dUsarA kuchh nayA nahIn hai. ananta bAr devalokamen gayA, bAharakI sab vastu prApta ho chUkI hai, kuchh nayA nahIn hai. ek nayA chaitanyakA svarUp vah apUrva hai, vah prApta nahIn huA hai. vah prApta kaise ho, vah karane jaisA hai.

shAstramen AtA hai, ek jinendra bhagavAn aur ek samyagdarshan, do jIvane prApta nahIn

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kiyA hai. jinendra bhagavAn to mile, lekin svayamne svIkAr nahIn kiyA hai. isaliye nahIn mile, aisA shAstramen AtA hai. mile lekin svayamne svIkAr nahIn kiyA hai aur samyagdarshan prApta nahIn huA hai. ye do jIvako durlabh (hain). samyagdarshan ananta kAlamen kabhI prApta nahIn kiyA hai, vah prApta karane jaisA hai. usakI anupamatA aur usakI apUrvatA hRudayamen lAkar vahI karane jaisA hai. vahI ek adabhut vastu hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! mujhe to gurudev yAnI sonagaDh aur sonagaDh yAnI gurudeva. yah sab mumukShuonne nakkI kiyA hai. yah sAdhanAbhUmi hai, gurudevakI tapobhUmi hai use jIvanamen utkIrNa kar dI hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevakI sAdhanAbhUmi hai. is panchamakAlamen itane-itane sAl, 45- 45 sAl nirantar vANI barasAyI, vah koI mahA yog (huA ki) is panchamakAlamen aise gurudev yahAn padhAre aur chAron or vANI barasAyI. sonagaDhamen nirantar nivAs kiyA, vah sonagaDhakI bhUmi mahA pavitra hai.

mumukShu- kShetra pavitra aur dravya pavitra.

samAdhAna- hAn, donon pavitra-dravya mangal aur kShetra mangala. aur gurudevakA bhAv mangala. ... vah kShetra mangal, gurudevakA dravya mangal, unhonne jo andar pragaT kiyA vah bhAv mangala. jis kAlamen vah prApta huA vah kAl mangal hai. bhAvanA aisI ho to... bAkI koI mAhol... sonagaDhako bhAvamen kuchh nahIn hai. (bAharakA) mAhol chalatA rahe, bAkI yahAn rahanevAlonko bhAvamen kuchh nahIn hai. .. pradhAnatA karake sab yahAn karate rahate hain. .. apane dravya par dRuShTi karake, bhAvako pradhAn karake sab karanA hai.

mumukShu- ek mahinekA mahotsava. bhAratake solah bhAgake log vahAn padhAre the.

samAdhAna- ... sab brahmachArI bahanoenne jIvan is prakAr arpaN kiyA hai. sabako bhAvanA hai to sab karate hain. yahAn gurudevake prabhAvanA-yogase sab ho rahA hai. gurudev kab padhAre? gurudev padhAre vah ek Ashcharya lage. AphrikA padhAre... isaliye yahAn AnA mushkil paDe.

mumukShu- rahate hain vahAn, lekin bhAv yahAn hai.

samAdhAna- bhAv yahAn hai. pahale Aye the, usake bAd... mahinon taka.

samAdhAna- .. jANan svabhAv jAnanemen A rahA hai. jAnanarUp jAnanevAlA pariNaman kar rahA hai. jAnanevAlA svabhAv ... nahIn huA hai. jAnanevAleko lakShyamen le to yathArtha jAnanemen Ave. to jAnanevAlA jAnanarUp hai, usako jAno. jAnanevAleko jAno aisA AchArya kahate hain.

mumukShu- yAnI parako mat jAno, gnAyakako jAno.

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samAdhAna- parako mat jAno aisA nahIn, parakA rAg karake paramen lakShya mat karo.

mumukShu- to parako jAnanese phAyadA kyA hai?

samAdhAna- phAyadA kuchh nahIn hai. rAg karane-se kyA phAyadA hai? gnAnakA svabhAv hai to svayam jAnanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- jAnanemen A jAtA hai, jAnatA to nahIn hai na?

samAdhAna- jAnatA hai. rAg AtmAkA svabhAv nahIn hai. ekatvabuddhi toDanI. gney aur gnAn ek hai, aisI ekatvabuddhi toDanI. main gnAyak hI hUn. gnAyakakI dishA palaT denA. jAnanekA svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. jAnanekA svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn hotA. jAnanekA svabhAvan nAsh kar dUn. to jAnan svabhAv nAsh nahIn hotA. ekatvabuddhi toD denA, usakA rAg toDanA. dRuShTi par or jAtI hai, usako palaT denA.

mumukShu- jabatak par jAnanemen AtA hai, to dRuShTi andar kaise jAyagI?

samAdhAna- par jAnanemen AtA hai (isaliye) dRuShTi nahIn jAyagI aisA nahIn hotA. dRuShTi apanemen jAtI hai. rokatA nahIn hai, gney apaneko rokatA nahIn hai. svayam dRuShTi palaT denA, to dRuShTi to palaT jAtI hai. upayog to bAhar jAtA hai. apanI or upayog lAnA apane hAthakI bAt hai.

gnAnakA svabhAv aisA hai, jAnanemen ananta hai, jAnaneke svabhAvakI maryAdA nahIn hotI hai. jo jAnanevAlA hai usakA svabhAv ananta hai. usakI maryAdA nahIn hotI ki itanA jAne, itanA jAne. jAnanekA svabhAv hai vah svako jAnatA hai, parako bhI jAnatA hai. usakI mahimA ananta hai ki jo anantako jAnatA hai. aise mahimA ananta hai. parantu usakA rAg nahIn karanA, gneyake sAth ekatvabuddhi nahIn karanA. apane sva-or dRuShTi karake aur sva-or upayog karanA. svayam sahaj jAnanemen Ave usamen nukasAn nahIn hotA. sahaj jAnanemen A jAtA hai, kevalagnAnIko sahaj jAnanemen A jAtA hai. to usako nukasAn nahIn hotA. vah to AtmAkA svabhAv hai.

mumukShu- kevalI bhagavAnako to AtmA jAnanemen AtA hai. ... kahAn parako jAnate hain?

samAdhAna- nahIn, kevalagnAnI bhagavAn parako jAnate hain. apaneko jAnate hain aur gneyako bhI jAnate hain. usamen rAg nahIn hotA, us or upayog nahIn hotA. sahaj jAnanemen A jAtA hai. gnAnakA pariNaman apaneko jAnatA hai, parako bhI jAnatA hai. gneyako jAnatA hai.

mumukShu- hamArA prayojan to apaneko jAnanekA hai, hamArA prayojan parako jAnanekA to hai nahIn.

samAdhAna- prayojan bhale nahIn hai, parantu svayam jAnanekA svabhAv hai, usakA nAsh

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nahIn hotA. prayojanakI kyA bAt hai? prayojan apaneko jAne usamen svayam jAnanekA A jAtA hai. usake svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn hotA. jo chhadmastha hai usakA upayog ek taraph jAtA hai. svako jAnatA hai to par-or upayog nahIn jAtA hai. parantu usakA jAnanekA nAsh nahIn hotA hai. apanI svAnubhUtimen upayog jAtA hai (to) parako jAnanemen lakShya nahIn hotA. jAnanekA nAsh nahIn hotA hai. nahIn jAnatA hai aisA nahIn, jAne to usamen kyA doSh AtA hai? usake svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- antim bhUl kaun-sI hai jisase anubhav nahIn ho pAtA hai?

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhi hotI hai. par main hUn, main pararUp ho jAtA hUn aur par mere rUp ho jAtA hai. aur vibhAv hai, AkulatA jo vikalpakI jAl hai, us rUp main ho jAtA hUn, vikalpa meremen A jAtA hai. aisI ekatvabuddhi ho gayI hai, isaliye anubhav nahIn hotA hai. bhedagnAn karane-se anubhUti hotI hai. ekatvabuddhi hai.

main chaitanya hUn, main gnAyak hUn, anAdiananta shAshvat dravya hUn. us par dRuShTi karanese, usakA gnAn karanese, usamen lInatA karanese svAnubhUti hotI hai. bhedagnAnakA abhAv honese svAnubhUti nahIn hotI hai.

mumukShu- anubhav lakShaN to dikhatA hai parantu lakShya kyon nahIn dikhatA?

samAdhAna- lakShaN kahAn dekhanemen (AtA hai)? yathArtha lakShaN dekhanemen Ave to lakShya dekhanemen AtA hai. yathArtha lakShaN kahAn dekhanemen AtA hai?

mumukShu- usakA upAy kyA hai dekhanekA?

samAdhAna- apanI jignAsA, mahimA, apanI laganI lagAnA aur bAharase mahimA toDakar svabhAvakI mahimA, usakI lagan usakA upayog sUkShma karake AtmA svabhAvako grahaN karanA, vah usakA upAy hai.

mumukShu- gurudev kahate the, main gnAtA, main gnAn, main gneya. ... ye kyA hai?

samAdhAna- gnAyak hI main, gnAtA main, gney main. gney yAnI gnAnakI paryAy jo pariNamatI hai, vah gneya. usakA matalab par vastu nahIn hai aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. gnAtA, gnAn, gney apanemen pariNaman hotA hai. pararUp nahIn pariNamatA hai. par paramen hai, Ap apanemen hai. gnAtA, gnAn, gney sab apanemen hai. isaliye paradravya nahIn hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. AtmA ananta kAlase paribhramaN karate-karate jo pratyabhignAnakA kAraN AtmA hai to yadi parako nahIn jAnatA ho to, parako koI jAnatA hai vah kaise jAnanemen A jAtA hai? AtmA pararUp pariNamatA nahIn hai. gnAn to apanA svabhAv hI hai.

jo anAdiananta shAshvat dravya hai, aisA gnAnasvabhAv anAdiananta ananta mahimAse bharapUr hai. usamen maryAdA nahIn hotI hai. sabako jAnatA hai. ekatvabuddhi toDe, gneyake sAth

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ekatvabuddhi toDakar gnAtA, gnAn, gneyarUp svayam pariNamatA hai. paragney rUp nahIn pariNamatA hai.

mumukShu- ApakI pustakamen AtA hai, he jIv! tujhe kahIn na ruchatA ho to apanA upayog palaT de. to vah upayog gnAnakA lenA yA chAritraguNakI paryAy lenA?

samAdhAna- gnAnakA upayog jo paramen jAtA hai, usako palaT de. ruchi palaT de. main chaitanya (hUn). kahIn na ruchatA ho, kahIn suhAtA na ho to upayog AtmAmen lagA de. gnAnakA upayog palaT de. ruchi palaTe to upayog palaTe. ruchi paramen hotI hai. ruchi palaT jAy to upayog palaT jAya.

mumukShu- parakI ruchiko dukhakA kAraN jAnanA yA hamArA gnAn parako jAnatA hai usako dukhakA kAraN jAnanA?

samAdhAna- ... ruchi paramen hotI hai, ekatvabuddhi vah dukhakA kAraN hai. jAnanA dukhakA kAraN nahIn hai.

mumukShu- to phir Ap kyon kahate ho ki upayog palaTAo. phir aisA kyon kahate ho?

samAdhAna- upayogake sAth apanA rAg rahatA hai isaliye. upayog palaTanekA artha terA rAg paramen jAtA hai, rAgako palaT... upayog palaTanekA artha gnAnakA nAsh kar aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. gnAnakA nAsh karanekA (aisA usakA artha) nahIn hai. apane svakI or dRuShTi lA.

mumukShu- upayog aur rAg, alag-alag chIj khyAlamen nahIn AtI hai. upayog aur rAg donon chIj khyAlamen nahIn AtI hai.

samAdhAna- (bhale khyAlamen) nahIn AtA hai, parantu donon sAthamen rahate hain. sUkShma karake yah gnAn hai, yah rAg hai, usakA bhedagnAn karo. shAstramen AtA hai, pragnAchhainI karake sUkShma dRuShTi karake usakA bhedagnAn karanA. nahIn khyAlamen AtA hai to khyAlamen lAkar sUkShma buddhise pakaD lenA ki yah gnAn hai, yah rAg hai. gnAn-gnAyak main hUn, usakA bhedagnAn karanA. yah gnAyak hai, yah rAg hai.

mumukShu- pravachanasAramen AtA hai, indriyagnAn dukharUp hai, usakA artha kyA hai?

samAdhAna- indriyagnAn dukhakA kAraN hai, to gnAn dukhakA kAraN hai. gnAn dukhakA kAraN hai, parantu usamen khaNDa khaNDa upayog rAgamishrit hai na, vah dukhakA kAraN hai.

mumukShu- .. phir pariNatiko pahachAn letA hai. jaghanya hai yA utkRuShTa hai, pahachAnakar vaisA vyavahAr kare. vah jAnanekA sAdhan bAhyake sivA to kuchh nahIn hai. to antar pariNatiko ek dUsare kaise jAnate honge? samyagdarshanapUrvak usakA ek bAhya dravyalingakA vyavahAr, bhAvaling pUrvak, vah kaise bhinna karatA hai?

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samAdhAna- usake parichayase jAne, usakI vANIse gnAt ho. use gnAt hotA hai. usakI vANI kaisI AtI hai? usakA hRuday kaisA hai? usakA amuk parichay hotA hai isaliye jAn sakate hain ki isakI pariNati bhAvalingarUp hai yA mAtra dravya hai. kriyAkI or kitanA vajan jAy, shubhabhAvakI or kitanA jAy, antarakI bhedagnAnakI pariNati, usakI vANI kaisI AtI hai, us parase hRudayako pahachAnA jAtA hai. usakA parichay ho to pakaD sakate haiainn. .. usake parichayamen Ave, usakA bolanA, vANI parase pakaD sakate hain ki kahAn-kahAn usakI vANI gaharAImen jAtI hai yA sthUlamen aTak gayA hai yA bAhya kriyAmen thoDA karake, mahAvrat dhAraN karake usamen santoSh mAnA hai, yA antar pariNati hai, bhedagnAnakI dhArA kis jAtakI hai, vah sab, vah bole us parase khyAlamen A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- bahin! ham gurudevakA pravachan paDhen yA sune, gurudevako pratyakSha sunA hai. usamen AtmAkA svabhAv gnAn, vah to bArambAr AtA hai. kartRutva vah AtmAkA svabhAv nahIn hai. parantu aisA khyAlamen lete hain to bhI AtmAnubhav nahIn hotA hai. to usamen kyA truTi (rahatI hogI)?

samAdhAna- AtmAkA gnAnasvabhAv (hai). parantu vah gnAnasvabhAv mAtra buddhise, vichArase grahaN kiyA hotA hai. antar usakA jo gnAnasvabhAv hai, svabhAvamen-se svabhAv grahaN kare to ho. kartA yAnI parakA kartA nahIn hai, vibhAv usakA svabhAv nahIn hai. parantu svayam apane svabhAvarUp pariNaman kar sakatA hai. parantu vah gnAnamAtra AtmA aisA Aye, parantu gnAnako gnAnarUp pahachAnanA, vah antar gaharAImen jAkar pahachAnanA chAhiye. mAtra buddhise jAne to usamen antar pariNati nahIn hotI. antar pariNati kare to yathArtha andarase dashA pragaT hotI hai.

aisI pariNati ki yah gnAn hai so main hUn aur yah vibhAv bhinna aur yah gnAn mAne gnAyaka. mAtra jAne-jAne vah gnAn (aise nahIn), parantu usake pIchhe pUrA dravya hai. us dravyako antaramen jAkar grahaN kare to ho. vah AtA hai na? gnAnake jo jAnanekA kiraN dikhatA hai, vah gnAnamAtra bhed-bhed dikhAI detA hai utanA hI main nahIn hUn, apitu pUrA gnAyak, jAnanevAlA tattva hai vah jAnanevAlA tattva hai so main hUn. aise dravyakonantaramen jAkar pahachAne to hotA hai. mAtra buddhise... jo dravya hai, us dravyake mUlamen-se use pahachAnanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- AtmAkA svabhAv to gnAn hai, aisA AtA hai. to phir gnAn jAnatA hai, vah bhI vyAjabI bAt hai, to phir usamen...?

samAdhAna- jAne vah vyAjabI bAt hai, parantu vah kis jAtakA jAnatA hai?

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jAnatA hai yah barAbar, parantu jAnanA-jAnanevAlA tattva kaun hai? jAnanekA svabhAv kis tattvamen hai, us tattvako pahachAnanA chAhiye. jAne yAnI yah jAnA, yah jAnA, bAharakA jAnA (isaliye jAnanevAlA aisA nahIn). jAnanevAlA tattva kaun hai? jAnanevAlI vastu kaun hai, use pahachAnanA chAhiye. mAtra usakI paryAy bhed-bhed, yA gneyako jAnA isaliye gnAn, aise nahIn. gnAnakI paryAyake bhed ho isaliye jAnanevAlA, aise nahIn. parantu jAnanevAlA pUrA tattva use pahachAnanA chAhiye.

jo tattva jAnanasvabhAvarUp hai, use pahachAnanA chAhiye. jAnanevAlA barAbar hai, parantu jAnanahAr tattvako jAnanA chAhiye. vastuko pahachAnanI. (vastuko) pahachAne to usamen-se usakI shuddhAtmAkI paryAy pragaT ho. shuddhAtmAko pahachAne, mUlamen jAkar pahachAne to use pragaT ho. Upar-Uparase pahachAne ki jAnanevAlA (hai), aise jAnanevAlA yathArtharUpase pahachAnamen nahIn AtA.

lakShaNase pahachAnamen Aye ki yah jAnanevAlA so main, yah jAnanevAlA so main aur yah vibhAv so main nahIn, parantu vah jAnanekA svabhAv kisakA hai, us chaitanyatattvako pahachAnanA chAhiye.

... mIThAs ki yah shakkar hai, yah svAd shakkarakA hai, vah vastu kaun-sI? vah shakkar kyA hai? shakkar padArthako pahachAnanA chAhiye. yah ThaNDak barphakI hai, barpha padArtha kaun hai, use pahachAnanA chAhiye. mUlako pahachAnanA chAhiye. aise jAnanA-jAnanA ho rahA hai, parantu jAnanevAlA padArtha kaun hai? (use mUlamen-se pahachAnanA chAhiye).