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samAdhAna- .. main aisA hUn, yah use baiThatA nahIn hai. puruShArthamen kamajorI A gayI hai aur aise baDA honA achchhA lagatA hai.

muumukShu- use baDappan achchhA lagatA hai. samAdhAna- ek or aisA ho gayA hai ki main kuchh nahIn hUn, aisA ho gayA hai. tU bhagavAn hai, aisA kahe to jaldIse (baiThatA nahIn). gurudevane sabako sanskAr DAle hain ki tU bhagavAn hai, bhagavAn hai. pahale to sabako aisA hotA thA ki apane bhagavAn? bhagavAn ho vah bhagavAn hote hain. aisA thA. gurudevane aise sanskAr DAl diye hain ki tU bhagavAn hai. gurudev bArambAr-bArambAr kahate hain, tU bhagavAn hai. antaramen sabako bhagavAn...

mumukShu- gurudevake pravachanamen ginatI karen to kamase kam pAnch-sAt lAkh bAr bhagavAn AtmA, bhagavAn AtmA kahA hogA.

samAdhAna- bahut bAr kahA hai. vyAkhyAnamen bahut bAr bolate hain, bhagavAn hai, tU bhagavAn hai.

mumukShu- "AtmA' shabda Aye to bhagavAn AtmA aisA hI gurudevake mukhamen AtA thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, bhagavAn AtmA.

mumukShu- gurudevake mukhamen AtmA shabda hI nahIn AtA thA. bhagavAn AtmA. itanI mahimA.

samAdhAna- bhagavAn AtmA aisA hI AtA thA.

mumukShu- pIchhale vaShAmen to samajhamen AtA hai, usake bajAy bhagavAn AtmA, vishrAmarUp (vAkya) aisA hI AtA thA.

samAdhAna- samajhamen AtA hai, vah kam hokar AhA..! bahut AtA thA. Ashcharyake shabda bahut Ate the. bhagavAn AtmA Aye to AhA..! AchAryadev kaisA (kahate hain). is prakAr AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA.

mumukShu- gurudevashrIko andarase mahimA uchhalatI thI. mumukShu- pIchhale vaShAmen to samajhamen AtA hai, usake badale AhA.. AtA thA.

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samAdhAna- usake badale AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA. bahut bAr, thoDe-thoDe vAkyamen AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA.

mumukShu- ek-do vAkya bole aur AhA... AtA thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA. koI nyAy Aye to AhA.. AtmAkI bAt karate-karate AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA. vah to kuchh alag hI lagatA thA. AhA.. kahate the vaha. aisA lage ki gurudevako kitanI is tattvakI, AtmAkI AshcharyatA lagatI hai ki AhA.. shabda bAr-bAr AtA hai. shrutakA itanA Ashcharya, nyAyakA aur andar AtmAkA utanA Ashcharya, AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA. yahAn thoDemen paDhate to bhI AhA.. shabda bahut bAr AtA thA.

mumukShu- pravachanamen andarase mahimA jaise svayamko uchhalatA, vaise bhAShAmen AtA thA.

samAdhAna- unake bhAv aise aur unakA pUrA jIvan aisA thA.

mumukShu- abhI Tepamen sune to jab bhAvake sAth sunate ho tab bhUl jAte hain ki gurudev yahAn nahIn hai, aisA lagatA hI nahIn.

samAdhAna- gurudev hai aisA lage.

mumukShu- gurudevashrI mAnon sAkShAt virAjate hon.

samAdhAna- unakI lalakAr Tepamen bhAv kholakar AtI hai to aisA hI lagatA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevake hAvabhAv pratyakSha dikhate hon, aisA lage. vANImen aisA A gayA hai.

samAdhAna- Tepamen aisA AtA hai. vyAkhyAnamen paDhane Ate hain aur phir chale jAte hain aisA kahate the. gurudev paDhate hain, aisA hI lagatA hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- gurudevako to shrutakA bahut hI hai. unhen shrutakI to labdhi thI. vahAn dev ikaTThe hokar shAstrasabhA karate hain. vAnchan bhI karate hain. shAstrasabhA hotI hai. gurudevakA to sahaj hai to aisA ban sakatA hai ki devonkI sabhAmen bhI... dev charchA-vArtA karate hain, shAstrasabhA devommen hotI hai. dev bhagavAnake darshan kare, pUjan kare, shAstrasabhA hotI hai. unhen antar shrutakI labdhi (thI). ve bole vah sabako asarakArak aisA unakA prabhAvanAkA yog aur antarakA sab aisA thA. devommen to hotA hai, shAstrasabhA hotI hai, prashna charchA hotI hai, sab hotA hai. dev tattva charchA karate hain. dev bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen jAte hain, bhagavAnakI dhvani sunane jAte hain. devalokamen bhI shAstrasabhA hotI hai.

mumukShu- ahemadAbAdavAle shAntibhAI kAmadAr hai na? unake chhoTe bhAI kAntibhAI kAmadAr chal base hain, unakI patnI Adi sab Aye hain. hArTa pheIl ho gayA. boTAdavAle shAntibhAI kAmadAra. ... shAntibhAIke bhAI kAntibhAI. ye kAntibhAIke putra hain aur ye

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shAntibhAIke patnI hai. abhI ATh din pahale hArTa pheIl ho gayA.

samAdhAna- manuShyapanA mile usamen gurudevane yah mArga batAyA vah grahaN karane jaisA hai. shAnti rakhane jaisI hai. gurudevane kahA hai, AtmA shAshvat hai. us shAshvat AtmAkA sharaN grahaN karane jaisA hai. janma-maraN, janma-maraN chalate rahate hain. vahAn koI upAy nahIn hai. ek shAnti rakhanI vahI ek (upAy hai).

mumukShu- ekadam so gaye, kuchh nahIn thA. ekadam so gaye.

samAdhAna- palaT jAy, kab AtmA chalA jAy aur sharIr paDA rahatA hai. AtmAkI sharaN grahaN karane jaisA hai. manuShyabhavamen AtmAkA karane jaisA hai. sansAr aisA hai. ananta janma-maraN aise hue hain. kisIko chhoDakar svayam gayA, svayamko chhoDakar dUsare chale jAte hain. aisA yah kShaNabhangur sansAr (hai).

gurudevane mArga batAyA vah grahaN karane jaisA hai. AtmA shAshvat hai. AyuShyake anusAr kab pheraphAr ho jAy kuchh mAlUm nahIn. janma-maraN kaise miTe, vah upAy gurudevane batAyA hai. use grahaN karane jaisA hai. gurudevake pratApase andar jitane sanskAr Dale hon vah sAthamen Ate hain. dUsarA kuchh sAthamen nahIn AtA hai. main bhinna, sab bhinna dikhAI detA hai. gurudevane kahA, sab bhinna hI hai. koI sharaN nahIn hai. andar vikalpa bhI apanA sharaN nahIn hai to sharIr kahAn sharaN hai? AtmAkI sharaN vahI satya sharaN hai. antaramen satya sharaN vah hai. shAnti rakhanI sukhadAyak hai.

mumukShu- ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth koI bhI sambandha nahIn hai. phir bhI sanskAr, bhAv, usakA bal ho use AtmagnAn hotA hai, aisA dekhate hain. parantu agalI- pIchhalI paryAyako ekadUsareko sAth sambandha nahIn hai, phir sanskAr aur lagan jIvako kaise kAm Ate hain?

samAdhAna- ekadUsareko sambandha nahIn hai aur hai bhI. jo paryAy hotI hai vah dravyake Ashray hotI hai. dravyake Ashray binA nirAshray paryAy nahIn hotI hai. ek paryAyakA vyay hotA hai, dUsarI paryAy utpanna hotI hai. ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth ekadUsareko sambandha nahIn hai. parantu dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai. jo dravya vastu hai, us vastuke Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai. vah paryAy aisI koI svatantra nahIn hai ki nirAdhAr hotI hai. ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth koI sambandha nahIn ho to bIchamen nitya dravya hai. vah nitya dravya kahAn gayA? paryAy to kShaN-kShaNamen palaTatI hai. vah to anitya (hai), paryAy to anitya hai. vastu nitya hai. jisamen sanskAr Adi (hote hain), vah to nitya dravya hai. us dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai.

mumukShu- vah bAt barAbar hai. parantu sanskArako vyavahAramen liyA hai..

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samAdhAna- bhale vyavahAramen liyA ho, parantu dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai.

mumukShu- nayI paryAy hotI hai vah sabhI pUrva paryAyake sanskAr lekar AtI hai? to sanskAr kAmamen Ate hain, aisA kah sakate hain? yA sanskAr sAntvanake liye shabda istamAl kiyA jAtA hai ki tU yah karegA to tujhe yah sanskAr Daleenge.

samAdhAna- nahIn, sAntvanake liye nahIn hai. mUl vastu to shuddha hai. phir bhI vah sanskAr bhI ek vyavahAr hai sahI. vah koI Upar-Uparase jUTh nahIn kahanemen nahIn AtA hai.

mumukShu- sanskArako kisamen DAlenge, vyavahAramen yA nishchayamen?

samAdhAna- vah vyavahAr hai, vah bhI vyavahAr hai. parantu vah vyavahAr aisA vyavahAr nahIn hai ki jUThA vyavahAr hai. aisA vyavahAr nahIn hai. jo pratyabhignAn kahanemen AtA hai. jo AtmA ananta kAlase janma-maraN karatA A rahA hai, to bhI use pUrvajanmake sanskArase use is bhavamen kuchh khyAlamen bhI AtA hai, to pUrvajanmake sanskAr hai. sanskAr koI jUThI vastu nahIn hai, vyavahAr honeke bAvajUda.

mumukShu- usI prakAr ham lagan shabdakA bhI artha kar sakate hain, lagan ek paryAy bhale dUsarI paryAyase bhinna hotI hai...

samAdhAna- hAn, bhinna hotI hai..

mumukShu- phir bhI laganakI sAtatyatA chAlU rahatI hai. Akhiramen AtmagnAn aur kevalagnAn prApta karavAtI hai. aisA le sakate hain na?

samAdhAna- AtmagnAn, kevalagnAn, hAn. lagan jo antaramen lagatI hai vah kAraN banatI hai. vyavahAr kAraN hai parantu ekadam lagan antarakI gaharI ho, andarakI gaharI lagan ho ki mujhe AtmA hI chAhiye, dUsarA kuchh nahIn chAhiye to use vyavahAr kAraN banatA hai. kArya bhale mUl vastumen-se paryAy pragaT hotI hai, paryAyakA kAraN dravya hai to bhI usamen sanskArakA kAraN banatA hai. vyavahAr kAraN kahate hain.

mumukShu- gurudevane bhI bahut bAr kahA hai ki sanskAr lekar jAyagA. is janmamen bhale tujhe prApti nahIn hogI, to kAlAntaramen bhI..

samAdhAna- kAlAntaramen sanskAr sAthamen lekar jAtA hai.

mumukShu- tab mujhe yahI prashna ho rahA thA ki ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth sambandha nahIn hai. phir bhI sanskAr chAlU rah sakate hain, is prakAr vyavahArake kAraNa.

samAdhAna- hAn, sanskAr chAlU rah sakate hain. jis jAtake is bhavamen usane sanskAr DAle hon, antim maraNake samay usake jo bhAv ho, vah jahAn dUsare bhavamen jAtA hai vahAn us jAtake sphUrit hote hain. antaramen jo jAtake antaramen gnAnake, darshanake, chAritrake, ArAdhanAke, jignAsAke, laganake jo-jo bhAv usake AtmAmen ghUle hue hon, vah dUsare

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bhavamen use pragaT hote haiain. gahare yA Uparase. Uparase ho to use kuchh khyAlamen nahIn hotA. parantu gahare sanskAr ho to pragaT hote hain.

mumukShu- chAhe jitanA sanskArako vyavahAramen DAle to bhI vah nishchayamen sahAyabhUt hotA hai, aisA usakA artha huA.

samAdhAna- vyavahAr kAraN banatA hai. yathArtha ho, yathArtha gaharAIse ho to kAraN banatA hai. Upar-Uparase sthUl ho to kAraN nahIn banatA. vyavahArase kisIko dharmake bhAv Upar-Uparase ho, aisA ho vah bAt alag hai, bAkI antarakA jo hotA hai vah to use kAraNarUp banatA hai.

mumukShu- shrImadake ek patramen AyA hai, gnAnamArga dUrArAdhya hai aur bhaktimArga vah sAmAnya kram hai. to unakA kahanekA Ashay kyA hai? gnAnamArga yAnI abhyAs mahattvapUrNa vastu nahIn hai, parantu bhakti karanI vah mahattvapUrNa vastu hai, aisA kahanA chAhate hain?

samAdhAna- gnAnamArga yAnI sab manuShya aise gahare vichAr nahIn kar sakatA, isaliye bhaktimArga (kahA hai). arthAt vah bhakti aisI nahIn hai ki vah bhakti koI kar detA hai aisA nahIn hai. usakI mahimA tU lA, aisA. satpuruShakI mahimA lA. satpuruShonne jo pragaT kiyA hai aisA AtmA ArAdhane yogya hai. bhakti yAnI mahimA karane yogya hai. satpuruShakI mahimA arthAt AtmAkI mahimA, use sambandha hai. tU bhagavAko pahachAn yA AtmAko pahachAn, aise. jisane bhagavAnako nahIn pahachAnA, usane AtmAko nahIn pahachAnA hai. tU AtmAko pahachAn to bhagavAnakI pahachAn hogI. aur bhagavAnako pahachAn to AtmAkI pahachAn hogI. bhagavAnakI mahimA lA. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAy kaise hain? aise mahimA Ane par vah vichAr Ayenge ki bhagavAn kaise hain? aise satpuuruSh kaise hain, kaise hain, aise usake vichAr karate-karate unakA AtmA kyA kAm karatA hai? aisA vichAr karate-karate tujhe AtmAkI or lakShya jAnekA kAraN banegA.

gnAnamArga yAnI shuShkagnAn aise nahIn. gnAnamArga dUrArAdhya hai arthAt jise bahut kShayopasham na ho, jyAdA bAt jAn na sake parantu mUl prayojanabhUt gnAn to honA chAhiye. prayojanabhUt na jAne to phir Age hI nahIn baDh sakatA.

mumukShu- bhaktimArgamen bhI prayojanabhUt gnAn to chAhiye hI.

samAdhAna- prayojanabhUt gnAn to samAyA hI hai. akelI bhakti, samajhe binA bhakti karanA, aisA artha nahIn hai. prayojanabhUt gnAnako lakShyamen lenA. main chaitanya hUn, yah sab bhinna hai. aisA sab prayojanabhUt gnAn to honA chAhiye. bhale jyAdA na jAnatA ho.

mumukShu- .. shAstramen bhI bhaktikI itanI mahimA hai ki bAt mat karo. shrImadamen bhI bhaktikI mahattA bahut dI hai. parantu bhaktikA yahI artha lenA chAhiye. sAmAnya pair

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pakaDanekI bAt nahIn lenI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- binA samajhakI bhakti aisA artha nahIn hai. samajhapUrvakakI bhakti, gnAnIko pahachAnakar bhakti, unakI mahimA aur vastu svarUp kyA hai, usakA mUl prayojanabhUt gnAn to honA chAhiye, bhAn to honA chAhiye. gnAnapUrvakakI bhakti hI yathArtha bhakti hai. binA samajhakI bhakti aisI bhakti to ananta kAlamen bahut bAr kI hai. samajhanapUrvakakI bhakti hotI hai.

aur gnAn yAnI ekadam rukhA gnAn, sirpha bAten kare aur antaramen usake hRudayamen gaharAImen yah sab bhinna hai, main bhinna hUn, antaramen-se use virakti na Aye aur aisI bAten kare, usake bajAy prayojanabhUt gnAnapUrvakakI bhakti, aisA honA chAhiye. sab log jyAdA jAn na sake isaliye (kahA), gnAnamArga dUrArAdhya (hai) arthAt jyAdA jAn na sake, parantu mUl prayojanabhUt gnAn to honA chAhiye. gnAnIkI mahimA kare arthAt usamen tere AtmAkI mahimA samAyI hai. tere AtmAkI or muDanekA kAraN hogA.

mumukShu- pAtratA pragaT karanI, vah vyavahAramen AtA hai yA nishchayamen? shrImadamen bhI bahut jagah pAtratA, AtmArthIke lakShaN aisA AtA hai, to pAtratA pragaT karanI usamen Atmatattva visheSh vikasIt hotA hai yA vyavahAramen us jAtakA bhAv AtA hai?

samAdhAna- vah hai to vyavahAr, lekin usamen AtmAkA lakShya honA chAhiye. nishchay to ek vastu mUl shuddhAtmA vah nishchay hai. usamen bIch-bIchamen jo bhedake bhAv Aye vah sab vyavahAr hai. parantu vah vyavahAr kis jAtakA hai, yah samajhanA hai. nishchayake lakShyapUrvakakA vyavahAr hotA hai. bIchamen sAdhanA kram AtA hai vah bhI vyavahAr hai. samyagdarshan, gnAn, chAritrake bhed paDe vah bhI vyavahAr hai. lekin vah sAdhanA to bIchamen Aye binA rahatI nahIn. mUl vastu shuddhAtmAko pahachAna. usamen darshan pragaT hotA hai, gnAn pragaT hotA hai, chAritra pragaT hotA hai. vah sab vyavahArake bhed hain. parantu aisI sAdhanA vyavahAr to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. parantu nishchayapUrvakakA vyavahAra. AtmAkA yathArtha lakShya karake, yathArtha AtmAko lakShyamen lekar jo guN pragaT ho, vah sab vyavahAr hI hai. guNonkI paryAy pragaT ho (vah vyavahAr hai).

aise prArambhamen jo pAtratA Adi hai vah sab vyavahAr hai. ek mUl abhed vastuke alAvA jo-jo bhed paDe vah sab vyavahAr hai. usamen sadabhUt vyavahAr, asadabhUt vyavahAr vah sab vyavahAr hai. bIchamen jo bhed paDe, pAtratA Aye vah bhI vyavahAr hai. lekin vah pAtratA aisI honI chAhiye, jisamen AtmA pragaT ho, aisI pAtratA honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- pAtratA na ho to AtmagnAn nahIn hotA, yah kathan satya hai?

samAdhAna- satya hai, pAtratA na ho to AtmagnAn pragaT nahIn hotA.

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mumukShu- sirpha bAten kare, shAstra abhyAs kare ... nahIn to nishchayAbhAs honekI sambhAvanA rahatI hai na?

samAdhAna- hAn, pAtratA binA vastu pragaT nahIn hotI. pAtratA to honI chAhiye. prayojanabhUt jisamen AtmagnAn pragaT ho, aisI pAtratA to honI chAhiye. pAtratAke binA yathArtha gnAn pragaT nahIn hotA. yathArtha bhedagnAn pragaT nahIn hotA. kAraN yathArtha hue binA kArya pragaT nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- mokShamArga prakAshakamen AtA hai, nishchayAbhAs aur vyavahArabhAsI. usamen nishchayako bhI mAnatA hai aur vyavahArako mAnatA hai, jo ubhayako mAnatA hai usako kaise jUThA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- dononko mAnatA hai,...

mumukShu- vyavahAr vyavahArakI apekShAse sachchA hai, nishchay nishchayakI apekShAse sachchA hai, phir bhI donon mAnanevAleko ham jUThA kahate hain, aisA kaise?

samAdhAna- donon mAne to bhI jUThA hai. yah bhI sachchA hai aur yah bhI sachchA. samajhe binA dononko sachchA mAne vah jUThA hai. nishchay kis prakArase sachchA hai? mUl vastu svabhAvase nishchay sachchA hai. aur vyavahAr paryAy evan bhedakI apekShAse sachchA hai. jis prakArase nishchay satya hai, usI prakArase vyavahAr satya hai. donon samAnarUpase sachchA mAnatA hai. dononkI apekShAen samajhatA nahIn hai. dononkI koTi kaisI hai, use samajhatA nahIn hai aur donon samAnarUpase sachchA hai, aisA mAnatA hai vah jUThA hai.

dononko sachchA mAnanevAlA donon par samAn vajan detA hai. yah bhI sachchA aur yah bhI sachchA. dononko samAn vajan detA hai. kis apekShAse nishchay mukhya aur vyavahAr gauN hai? aur prayojanabhUt vyavahAr bIchamen AtA hai. vyavahArakI apekShA samajhatA nahIn hai aur nishchay mUl vastu samajhatA nahIn hai, dononko samAn vajan detA hai. yah bhI sachchA hai aur yah bhI sachchA hai. vah bhI jUThA hai. samajhe binA donon sachchA mAne vah jUThA hai.

donon kis prakArase sachche hain, vah samajhanA chAhiye. dononko samajhanA chAhiye. mUl vastu svabhAvase nishchay sachchA hai. vyavahAr usakI paryAy apekShAse sachchA hai. kShaNik paryAy, jo sAdhanAkI paryAy, bIchamen vibhAv Aye, sadabhUt shuddhAtmAkI shuddha ... aise sachchA hai. paryAy nahIn hai aisA nahIn, paryAy bhI hai. usakI apekShAse vyavahAr sachchA hai. vah mUl vastukI apekShAse sachchA hai. ye to dononkA samAn vajan detA hai. donon mAnon kaise ho, aise vajan detA hai, vah donon jUThe hain. ek bhI satya nahIn hai, ek bhI samajhatA nahIn hai.