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mumukShu- Ap jo astitvakA grahaN kahate ho ki nij astitvakA grahaN karanA. aur trikAl gnAyakakI dRuShTi karanI, donon ek hI bAt hai?

samAdhAna- donon ek hI bAt hai. ek gnAyakamen trikAl A gayA. vartamAn jisakA astitva gnAyakarUp hai, vah usakA trikAl astitva hai. vartamAn jo satarUp akhaNDa gnAyak hai vah to trikAl akhaNDa gnAyak hI hai.

mumukShu- .. usakA koI saral upAy?

samAdhAna- vah dRuShTi to svayam antaramen-se jAgRut ho to ho. dRuShTi mAtra vikalpa vah to bhAvanA kare, lagan lagAye. antar-se jisako lagI ho usakI dRuShTi antaramen jAtI hai. jise antaramen lagan lage, bAhya dRuShTi aur bAhya tanmayatAse jo thak gayA hai, jise antaramen kahIn chain nahIn paDatA. bAhya dRuShTi aur bAhya upayog, bAharakI AkulatAse jisako thakAn lagI hai aur antaramen kuchh hai, antarake astitvakI jise mahimA lagI hai. antaramen hI sab hai, aisI jisako antarase mahimA lage to usakI dRuShTi badal jAtI hai. to vah svayam chaitanyako grahaN kar letA hai. jise lage vah grahaN kiye binA nahIn rahatA. nahIn to vah Upar-Upar se vichAr karatA rahe. bAkI dRuShTi palaTaneke liye antaramen- se lagan lage to dRuShTi palaTatI hai.

mumukShu- ... to gnAt hogA, aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- parako jAnanA banda karanA aisA nahIn. ek kShaN vibhAvamen-se tanyatA chhoDakar usakA bhedagnAn kare to sva gnAt hogA. jAnane or nahIn. par-or jo upayog (tanmay ho rahA hai, use chhoDakar), rAg aur vikalpakI ekatvabuddhi toDakar svamen jA to svakA vedan hogA.

jAnanekA to upayog palaTatA hai. andar jo jAnanekA svabhAv hai, usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. jAnanekA svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. rAgake sAth ekatvabuddhi hai, use kShaNabharake liye toD de. kShaNabar yAnI andaramen-se aisI pragnAchhainI dvArA usakA aisA bhedagnAn kar to svakI svAnubhUti hogI. ek kShaNabharake liye. svabhAv aur vibhAvamen aisI tIkShNa pragnAchhainI dvArA svayam svasanmukh ho jAy, to svakA vedan hogA. usakA

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rAg toDanekA hai, usakI ekatvabuddhi toDanI hai. jAnanA to, anek jAtake vikalpa A gaye to bhI andar jo pratyabhignAn jAnanekA svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. vah nAsh nahIn hotA. rAg chhUT jAtA hai.

mumukShu- jo paribhramaN ho rahA hai vah ekatvabuddhike kAraN hai.

samAdhAna- ekatvabuddhike kAraN hai, jAnaneke kAraN nahIn. ekatvabuddhike kAraN paribhramaN khaDA hai. kevalagnAnI lokAlok jAnate hain. jAnanA rAgakA kAraN nahIn hotA. vItarAg dashA, bhedagnAn kare, ekatvabuddhi toD de. vah to upayog vahAn jAtA hai, rAgake sAth ekatva (hai), isaliye tU anyako jAnaneke bajAy svako jAn, aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu jAnanekA svabhAv toD de, aisA nahIn kahanA hai. usamen rAgamishrit upayog hai, us upayogako badal de. aisA. gney-orakI ekatvabuddhiko toD de. terI jAnanekI dishA svasanmukh kar de. aisA kahanA hai. isaliye rAg TUT jAtA hai. tere upayogakI dishA badal de, aisA kahanA hai.

mumukShu- jahAn svako apanerUp jAnA to usakA samasta gnAn samyakagnAn nAm prApta karatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, samyakagnAn nAm prApta karatA hai.

mumukShu- aur usake pahale jabatak paramen ekatvabuddhi hai, tabatak mithyAgnAn nAm prApta hotA hai.

samAdhAna- mithyAgnAn nAm prApta hotA hai. dishA pUrI palaT gayI na. pUrI dishA, par sanmukh dishA (thI, vah) sva sanmukh jAnanekI dishA ho gayI, usakA samasta gnAn samyak rUp ho gayA. usake samasta abhiprAy palaT gaye. (pahale) jAnatA thA usamen abhiprAyamen bhUl hotI thI. jahAn samyak bhedagnAn huA to gnAnakI dishA palaT gayI. usakA pUrA gnAn samyak rUp pariNamit ho gayA. bhedagnAn rUp gnAn pariNamit huA isaliye usakI jAnanemen kahIn bhUl nahIn hotI. usake pahale ekatvabuddhi thI, dishA alag thI isaliye jAnanemen bhUl hotI thI.

samAdhAna- .. dravyake ShaTakArak aur ek dravya aur dUsare dravyake ShaTakArak vah ShaTakArak evan paryAyake ShaTakArak, vah ShaTakArak ekasamAn nahIn hote. vah ShaTakArakamen pharka hotA hai. paryAy to kShaNik hai, dravya to trikAl hai. paryAy svatantra hone par bhI paryAyake ShaTakArak aur dravyake ShaTakArakamen antar hai. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray to rahatA hai. svatantra hone par bhI us paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hotA hai. jitanA dravya svatantra, utanI hI paryAy svatantra kahanemen Aye to vah paryAy nahIn rahatI, vah dravya ho jAya. isaliye paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai. isaliye usake ShaTakArak aur dravyake ShaTakArakamen

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mumukShu- paryAy svayam svatantrapane dravyakA Ashray letI huyI pragaT hotI hai. Ap jo kahate ho ki use dravyakA Ashray hai. paryAy pragaT hotI hai svatantra, parantu vah dravyakA Ashray letI huyI, apane ShaTakArakase pariNamatI hai. Apane jo kahA barAbar hai. aise hI hai.

samAdhAna- dravyake Ashrayase pragaT hotI hai, svatantra. kAraN dravya trikAl hai aur paryAy kShaNik hai.

mumukShu- aur parakA Ashray letI huyI pragaT hotI hai, tabatak dashAmen Asrav, bandha hai aur jab gnAyakakA Ashray letI huyI pragaT hotI hai, tab samvar, nirjarA, mokSha pragaT hote hain.

samAdhAna- samvar, nirjarA, mokSha (pragaT hote hain). parake Ashray-se to Asrav hotA hai. nij shuddhAtmAke Ashrayase shuddha paryAy pragaT ho to samvar, nirjarA hai.

samAdhAna- ... bhItaramen-se usako-gnAyakadevako grahaN karanA. ananta guNakI mUrti divyamUrti chaitanyadeva. usako pahachAnatA hai vah, jinendra dev, guru sabako pIchhAnatA hai. jo bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako pIchhAnatA hai, vah apane dravya-guN-paryAyako (pIchhAnatA hai).

mumukShu- bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyakI pahachAnamen to apane dravya-guN-paryAyakI pahachAn hove to vApas vahI ... lag jAyagI, svAnubhakI. ananta bAr bhagavAnake darshan karane gaye, samavasaraNamen gaye, sAkShAt sarvagnadevakA bhI kiyA, lekin antar dRuShTi aur anubhav binA darshan nahIn huA.

samAdhAna- antaramen bhagavAnakA dravya kyA hai? kyA karatA hai? svAnubhUti bhagavAnane vItarAg dashA pragaT kI, use pahachAnA nahIn aur bAharase darshan kiyA, isaliye... jo yathArtha pIchhAn kare to apane dravya-guN-paryAyakI pIchhAn letA hai.

mumukShu- bhagavAnakA to paradravya, guN, paryAy unakI pahachAn karanemen to upayogakI to parasanmukhatA rahatI hai. phir apanI pahachAnake liye to vApas svasanmukhatAkA jor ho.

samAdhAna- dRuShTi to apane par denI hai. parantu nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. isaliye shAstramen aisA kahA hai. nimitta aur upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAn taraphalakShya

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kare apanI or jAtA hai to bhagavAn-orakA lakShya chhUT jAtA hai aur svasanmukhatA ho jAtI hai. bhagavAn-orakA rAg chhUT jAy aur apanI or apanI shraddhA ho tab apaneko (pahachAnatA hai). rAg to vItarAg dashA ho tabatak rahatA hai, parantu bhedagnAn hotA hai. bhagavAnakI or yah rAg (jAtA hai, vah) aur main bhinna hUn, aisA bhedagnAn ho jAtA hai. usakA bhedagnAn ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- kevalI bhagavAnako to pratyakSha AtmAke pradesh vagairah anubhavamen jAnanemen .. Adi pratyakSha lagate hain. unako to kevalagnAn ho jAnese ... lekin apane to svAnubhavake kAlamen AtmAke pradesh AdikA pratyakSharUp (nahIn hotA).

samAdhAna- bhagavAnako kevalagnAn hai, isaliye pratyakSha jAnate hain. pradesh aur sab dravya, guN, paryAyako pratyakSha jAnate hain. lokAlok sabako pratyakSha (jAnate hain). svAnubhavake kAlamen aur vedan pratyakSha hai. apanA svAnubhav pratyakSha hai. pradesh usako pratyakSha nahIn hote hain. anubhav pratyakSha hai na. apanA Ananda aur svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai.

mumukShu- svAnubhavako Apane pratyakSha pharamAyA to...

samAdhAna- parokSha kahanemen AtA hai. kevalagnAnakI apekShAse parokSha (kahanemen AtA hai). kyonki mati-shrut hai vah parokSha hai. isaliye parokSha kahanemen AtA hai. parantu svAnubhUti hai vah pratyakSha hai. apane vedan huA vah pratyakSha hai. to apekShAse pratyakSha kahanemen AtA hai, usako parokSha bhI kahanemen AtA hai. mati-shrut to manakA avalamban rahatA hai isaliye parokSha kahanemen AtA hai. parantu parokSha aisA nahIn hai ki kuchh jAnanemen nahIn AtA. vedan to pratyakSha hai.

mumukShu- koI ek dRuShTAnta.

samAdhAna- misharI khAtA hai to usakA svAd apaneko AtA hai, vah svAd kahIn aisA nahIn hai ki parokSha hai, koI anumAn nahIn karatA hai. misharIkA svAd hai vah svAd to pratyakSha hai. andheko misharI khilAo to kaisA AkAr hai? kaisA varNa hai? vah nahIn jAnatA. parantu jo svAd hotA hai vah svAd to pratyakSha hotA hai. andheko misharI (khilAyI) vah svAd to pratyakSha hotA hai.

aise svAnubhUtimen asankhyAt pradesh ginatImen nahIn Ate. parantu usakA jo vedan hotA hai vah to pratyakSha hotA hai. jaise andheko misharI (khilAyI). to svAd, shakkarakI mIThAs hai vah to use pratyakSha hotI hai. vaise svAnubhUtike kAlamen Ananda aur usake ananta guN-paryAyakA vedan (hotA hai), vah vedan pratyakSha hotA hai.

mumukShu- kal ApashrIne pharamAyA thA ki jaise vikalponko jAn letA hai, vaise hI arUpI gnAnako gnAn jAn letA hai. kaise?

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samAdhAna- vikalpa bhI jAnanemen AtA hai ki vikalpa AyA, vikalpa AyA, vikalpa AyA. vaise gnAn bhI jAnanemen AtA hai. arUpI hai to bhI jAnanemen AtA hai ki yah gnAn.. gnAn.. gnAn hai. arUpI hove to bhI gnAn jAnanemen AtA hai.

... pratyakSha kar liyA hai. unako dravya-guN-paryAy, asankhyAt pradesh sab pratyakSha gnAn (gochar) hai. isaliye unakI vANI nimitta hotI hai. apaneko to upAdAn-se hotA hai. upAdAn apanA aur bhagavAnakI vANI nimitta hotI hai. lakShya apaneko denA hai. bAhar lakShya kare ki bhagavAn aise hain, aise hain to svasanmukh dRuShTi nahIn hotI. parantu bhagavAn hai vaisA main hUn, aise dRuShTi antarmukh kare to svAnubhUti hotI hai. svAnubhUti, kevalagnAn jaisA nahIn hai ki kevalagnAn sab pratyakSha jAnatA hai, aisA. parantu usakA vedan aur Ananda aur usake ananta guN Adi vedanamen AtA hai vah pratyakSha hai. dekhanemen nahIn AtA hai ki aise asankhya pradesh hai.

mumukShu- itanA durlabh kyon paD rahA hai? Apake nikaTamen, gurudevashrIke pAsamen ham sab bhAI-bahan bahut samayase (rahate hain).

samAdhAna- puruShArtha apaneko karanA paDatA hai. anAdikA abhyAs hai aur bAhar upayog jAtA hai. dishA palaT denI hai. dishA palaTanI hai. apanA svabhAv hai isaliye sulabh hai. parantu anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye bAhar dauDatA hai. bAr-bAr dauDatA hai, antaramen nahIn jAtA hai. isaliye durlabh ho rahA hai. aise-aise chakkar khAtA hai. apanI or nahIn jAtA hai, isaliye durlabh ho jAtA hai.

svabhAv hai isaliye sulabh hai. jisako hotA hai usako antarmuhUrtaman hotA hai, nahIn hotA hai usako kAl lagatA hai. bhagavAnake samavasaraNamen antarmuhUrtamen kevalagnAn prApta kar letA hai, koI muni ban jAtA hai, kisIko samyagdarshan hotA hai. aisA antarmuhUrtamen bhI hotA hai. kisIko abhyAs karane-se hotA hai. yah to panchamakAl hai. isaliye durlabhatA dekhanemen AtI hai. parantu svabhAv hai apanA to puruShArtha karane-se ho sakatA hai.

mumukShu- prashna liyA hai rAjamalajI pANDe sAhabane ki kevalI bhagavAnake gnAnamen- nondhamen kaun jIv kab mokSha jAyagA. aur aisA bhI AyA ki DhAI pudagal parAvartan kAl jisakA sheSh rah jAyagA, usake bAd vah samyagdarshan prApta karegA. to phir Udhar jor kyon diyA gayA? idhar svabhAv par puruShArthakA jor hogA to svAnubhav hogA.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnake gnAnamen, bhagavAnake kevalagnAnakA svabhAvako batAte hain ki bhagavAnake gnAnamen sab hai. kab, kaun-sA jIv mokSha jAyagA. bhagavAn to sab jAnate hain. bhagavAnake kevalagnAnakI bAt kahI hai ki kevalagnAnamen to sab A gayA hai. parantu bhagavAnane aisA jAnA hai ki yah jIv puruShArtha karane-se mokSha jAyagA. bin puruShArtha-

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se mokSha jAyagA aisA bhagavAnake gnAnamen nahIn AyA hai. bhagavAnake gnAnamen aisA AyA hai ki yah jIv itane kAlake bAd puruShArtha karegA aur mokSha jAyagA. puruShArtha karegA, AtmAkI svAnubhUti karegA aur vItarAgatA, munidashA pragaT karegA aur mokSha jAyagA. puruShArtha karane-se mokSha jAyagA, aisA bhagavAnake gnAnamen AyA hai. bin puruShArtha-se mokSha jAyagA aisA bhagavAnake gnAnamen nahIn AyA hai.

mumukShu- bhagavAnakI vANI sunate hain aur aisA jAnanemen AtA hai to phir antaramen- se yah to nakkI ho jAtA hai ki hamArA jIv, kevalI bhagavAnane nirvAN honekA aur samyagdarshan honekA samay dekh liyA hai, us samay jarUr hamArA puruShArtha svabhAvake sanmukh hogA, hogA aur hogA. to phir vishvAs AtA hai ki ham aise sharaNamen A gaye hain, pUjya mAtAjI anubhUti devIke, to aisI bAt sunaneko mil rahI hai to ye bhI koI upAdAn hamArA jAgRut hai.

samAdhAna- vishvAs AtA hai, lekin puruShArtha to apaneko karanA paDatA hai. jisako apUrva ruchi hotI hai usakI mukti hotI hai. gurudev kahate the ki tatprati prIti chitten vArtA pi hI shrutA. antar prItise vArtA bhI sunI, antar apUrvatAse (sunI) to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanama. apanI kaisI pariNati hai vah svayam jAn sakatA hai ki kaise merI pariNati hotI hai, mujhe kaisI apUrvatA lagatI hai, merI kaisI ruchi hai, apane Ap apanA nirNay kar sakatA hai ki main puruShArtha karungA, aisA karungA.

mumukShu- anubhUtiko viShay banAneke liye .. vedanamen sukh AtA hai, aisA AtmA bhI gnAnamen AtA hai? aisA prashna rah jAtA hai ki paryAy jo hai, bhAvaman hai, vah sthAnavisheSh- se hI AtmAko pakaDatA hai yA sarvAng jo pUre Atma pradeshommen paryAy vyApta hai, to paryAy pUrA sarvAng AtmAko pakaDatI hai yA sthAnavisheSh-se paryAy pakaDatI hai?

samAdhAna- yahAn to man hai na, isaliye aisA kahate hain ki yahAn-se pakaDatA hai. parantu vah pakaDatI to hai dravyako na, akhaNDa dravyako pakaDatI hai, grahaN karatI hai. akhaNDako grahaN karatI hai. jahAn-se pakaDe vahAn-se pakaDanA to apaneko hai na.

mumukShu- gnAnaparyAy sarvAng hai na. asankhya pradeshamen gnAnaparyAy bhI hai. gnAnaparyAy sarvAngase AtmAko gnAnamen pakaDatI hai yA bhAvaman sthAnavisheSh-se hI pakaDatI hai?

samAdhAna- bhAvaman AyA to usamen sab A jAtA hai. bhAvaman mukhya rahA to usamen sarvAng A jAtA hai. vah mukhya rahatA hai to ek taraph-se nahIn pakaDanemen AtA hai, ek taraph-se pakaDanemen AtA hai aisA nahIn hotA. bhAvaman to nimitta banatA hai aur vahAn-se grahaN kare to sarvAng pakaDatA hai apane AtmAko.

mumukShu- usamen aisA kahanA hai inakA ki jaise Ankh-se dekhate hain to kisI

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puruShako dekhanA ho to Ankh-se hI dekhenge, yahAn-se nahIn dekh sakate na. aisA. ... karatA hai, kisI puruShako dekhanA ho, vastuko dekhanA ho to AnkhakA pradesh khulA huA hai to vahAn-se vah us puruShako dekh sakatA hai. usI prakAr jab AtmAko grahaN karane jAte hain to idhar to vah bhAvaman hai nahIn, idhar hai nahIn, idhar hai nahIn. jahAn jisakA sthAn hai, us sthAn-se hI grahaN karatA hai yA sarva pradeshonse vah grahaN karatA hai?

samAdhAna- bhAvaman to nimitta hai. gnAnase grahaN karanA hai na. gnAnase grahaN karanA hai. to gnAn to sarvAng hotA hai. ... isaliye vahAn-se kahanemen AtA hai. bhAvaman nimitta banatA hai. parantu grahaN to sarvAng-se hotA hai. gnAn-se grahaN karanA hai. man-se grahaN karanA hai (usamen) man to nimitta hotA hai. Ankh hai vah to... bhAvamanake nimittamen gnAn-se grahaN karanA hai. gnAn to sarvAng-se grahaN karatA hai. nimitta bhAvaman banatA hai, parantu grahaN sarvAng-se hotA hai.

mumukShu- paryAy sarvAng grahaN karake AtmAko pakaDatI hogI? sarvAng AtmA hai to sarvAng gnAnaparyAy bhI hai. gnAnaparyAy vahIn ke vahIn AtmAko svIkAr karatI hai? pUrI paryAy samuchchay AtmAko vahIn ke vahIn svIkAr karatI hogI?

samAdhAna- paryAy sarvAng AtmAko grahaN karatI hai.

mumukShu- bhAvaman nimittamAtra hai.

samAdhAna- bhAvaman nimitta banatA hai. isaliye kahanemen AtA hai ki man-se hotA hai. aisA kahanemen AtA hai. shAstramen bhI AtA hai. thoDA grahaN huA, idhar-se huA, idhar-se nahIn huA. idhar-se ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai aur idhar-se grahaN ho gayA hai, aisA nahIn. bhAvaman nimitta banatA hai, parantu grahaN sarvAng hotA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAke pradeshommen AnandakI .. detA hai, us apekShAse usako ghaTA sakate hain. lekin nimittakI apekShA to bhAvaman hI nimitta paDatA hai. usI daravAjeke mAdhyam- se andar gnAnakI paryAy svasanmukh andaramen jAkar sarvAngamen Ananda detI hai. us apekShAse. lekin yahAn-se bhI jAn letA hogA, yahAn-se bhI jAnatA hogA. nahIn, asangnI panchendriy tak to svAnubhUti karanekI yogyatA hI nahIn khulI hai, mAtAjI! isaliye mainne kahA.

samAdhAna- bhAvaman nimitta hotA hai. ... grahaN usase hotA hai. manake dvArA hotA hai, bhAvaman-manake nimittake dvArA apaneko bhItaramen jAtA hai. man nimitta hotA hai.

samAdhAna- ... svarUp pahachAnanA. AtmA kyA hai? usakA kyA svarUp hai? sharIr bhinna hai, AtmA bhinna hai. bhItaramen AtmA gnAnasvabhAv gnAyak hai, usako pahachAnanA. vikalpa bhI AtmAkA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhedagnAn karanA. bhedagnAnake liye bArambAr AtmAk raTan karanA. shAstra svAdhyAy, vichAr, chintavan, janma-maraN karate-karate shubhabhAv

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bahut kiye, puNyabandha huA, devalok huA lekin AtmAkA bhavakA abhAv nahIn huA, mukti nahIn huyI. mukti to bhItaramen hai. bhItaramen-se svAnubhUti hotI hai, bAhar-se hotA nahIn. puNyabandha hotA hai, devalok hotA hai. bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA. bhavakA abhAv to AtmAko pahachAnane-se hotA hai. isaliye usako pIchhAnanA chAhiye.

anubhavake pahale main kaun hUn? merA kyA svabhAv hai? usakI lagan laganI chAhiye. usakI mahimA honI chAhiye. sabakuchh AtmAmen hai, sarvasva AtmAmen hai. bAharamen kuchh nahIn hai. bAharamen sukh nahIn hai, bAharamen-se kuchh AtA nahIn hai. sukh, gnAn sab AtmAke svabhAvamen hai. jo jisamen hove usamen-se nikalatA hai, usamen-se pragaT hotA hai. jisakA jo svabhAv ho usamen dRuShTi de to nikalatA hai.

chhoTIpIpar hai usako ghisate-ghisate, gurudev kahate the, charaparAI pragaT hotI hai. vaise AtmAkA svabhAv pahachAne to svabhAvamen-se gnAn, Ananda sab AtmAmen-se pragaT hotA hai. bAhar-se nahIn AtA hai. antaramen-se AtA hai. pahale usakA bhedagnAn karanA. usakA bArambAr abhyAs karanA. bAdamen vikalpa toDakarake svabhAvamen svAnubhUti hotI hai.