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samAdhAna- sachchA prayatna nahIn hotA hai. prayatna, manda-manda prayatna ho usamen pahachAn nahIn hotI. usakI ruchi honI mushkil hai. usakI ruchi kare, mahimA kare ki AtmA koI apUrva chIj hai. jagatakI koI vastu anupam nahIn hai. sabase anupam ho to AtmA hI hai. aisI AtmAkI anupam mahimA laganI chAhiye ki merA AtmA bhinna hai aur yah sab bhinna hai. usakI mahimA lage. phir usakA prayatna kare.

ruchike sAth prayatna hotA hai. ruchike binA prayatna hotA hI nahIn. samyagdarshan ho, andar AtmAkI pahachAn ho, usIko sachchA munipanA AtA hai. bAhar-se chhoD de vah sachchA munipanA nahIn AtA. sachchI sAmAyik, sachchA tap antaramen pragaTe to hI usake sAth sab shubhabhAv hote haiain. to hI puNya bandha hotA hai. bAkI antaramen sachchA tap Adi sab antaramen hotA hai.

mumukShu- ... samajhamen nahIn AtA.

samAdhAna- visheSh samajhanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. koI samajhatA ho usakA kisIkA parichay karake visheSh samajhanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. shAstramen jo AtA hai usakA rahasya kyA hai, vah sab andaramen svayam AtmAke sAth samajhakar vichAr karanA chAhiye. AtmAkA kyA svabhAv hai, shAstramen kyA AtA hai, gurune kyA kahA hai, vah mArga samajhanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye.

pahale sachcha samajh kare to phir Age baDhe. jo mArga nahIn samajhatA hai, vah Age nahIn baDh sakatA hai. samajhe binA kahAn Dag bharegA? dhyey ho ki bhAvanagar jAnA hai to usakA rAstA mAlUm ho kadam vahAn chalenge. sachchI samajh pahale karanI chAhiye.

mumukShu- samajh guruke alAvA nahIn AyegI na? guru rAstA batAye tab...

samAdhAna- guuru rAste batAye, parantu..

mumukShu- gurukA samAgam kare to hI isamen Age baDh sake?

samAdhAna- gurukA samAgam, guru to mahA prabal nimitta hai. unakA samAgam ho to visheSh samajhanekA kAraN banatA hai. apaneAp samajhanA bahut duShkar hai. anAdi kAlamen ek bAr koI guruke aise vachan mile to jIv taiyAr hotA hai. aisA upadesh mile


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to guru jo mArga batAye vah koI apUrva rIt-se svayam grahaN kare to Age baDh sakatA hai.

mumukShu- AtmA-se bhI, darshan karane-se bhI Apake shabda hamen jo asar karate hain, aisI asar paDhanemen nahIn AtI. isaliye ham log nikale. dUsare log nahIn Aye hain. paDhate hain, samajhate hain ki AtmA hai. lekin pahachAn hotI nahIn, jIvatattva... darshan kiyA, satsamAgamake sivA samajhamen nahIn AtA.

samAdhAna- AtmAkA svabhAv ananta guN-se bharA, vah karanekA hai. parantu use samajhaneke liye kitanA satsangakA parichay chAhiye. AtmAke dravya-guN-paryAy, pudagalake dravya-guN-paryAy, ye donon bhinna hain. do tattva bhinna hai. anAdiananta hai, vah kaise hai? ye vibhAv kyA? svabhAv kyA? sab jAnaneke liye thoDA parichay chAhiye. satsang ho na to (samajhamen Aye).

AtmAkA bhedagnAn karanA. ye vibhAv bhinna, AtmA bhinna. shubhabhAv puNyabandhakA kAraN hai, bIchamen AtA hai. parantu vah apanA svarUp nahIn hai. usase AtmA bhinna hai. lekin vah samajhaneke liye use visheSh, yah pUchhA na? tap kise kahate hain? sAmAyik kise kahate hain? usakA rahasya samajhaneke liye satsang ho to samajhamen Aye aisA hai.

(samyagdarshan) prApta nahIn kiyA hai, vahI karanA hai. samyagdarshan anAdi kAl-se apUrva hai vah nahIn kiyA hai. vah karanA hai. kaise ho? tadartha satsang Adi, visheSh samajhanekI AvashyakatA hai.

samAdhAna- ... AtmAmen to gnAn, darshan, chAritra Adi ananta guN hai. anAdiananta hai. guNonkA nAsh nahIn huA hai. vibhAv huA to bhI un guNonkA nAsh nahIn huA hai. nigodamen gayA to bhI usakI sab shaktiyAn jyonkI tyon hai. kevalagnAn shaktirUp hai, usakA prayAs kare to pragaT ho aisA hai. vartamAnamen paryAy vibhAv ho rahI hai. jo palaTatI hai vah paryAy hai. aur yadi svayam svabhAv-or palaTe to svabhAvaparyAy ho. vibhAv- or palaTe to vibhAvakI paryAy hotI hai. parantu vibhAv (svabhAv nahIn hai).

vichAr, vAnchan sab karanA hai. jinendra bhagavAn, dev-guru-shAstra sachche kaun hai? use pahachAnanA. aur antar AtmA hai use pahachAnanA. jinendra dev, jinhonne vItarAg dashA prApta kI hai. jinhonne kevalagnAn (pragaT huA hai), jo svarUpamen lIn ho gaye hain. pUrNa vItarAgatA (pragaT huyI hai), jinhen vikalpa rAgakA ansh utpanna nahIn hotA. kevalagnAnI bhagavAn pUrNa vItarAg hain. bhagavAnako pahachAne vah svayamko pahachAnatA hai aur jo svayamko pahachAnatA hai vah bhagavAnako pahachAnatA hai. bhagavAnako pahachAnA sachchA kab kahA jAy? jab svayamko pahachAne tab bhagavAnako pahachAnA kahanemen Aye. bhagavAnakA dravya kyA? bhagavAnake ananta guN, bhagavAn kevalagnAn Adi ananta guNommen virAjate hain. svayamkA bhI vaisA hI


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svarUp hai-bhagavAn jaisA, vah kaise prApta ho?

aur guru sAdhanA kar rahe hain. svarUpamen kShaN-kShaNamen lIn ho rahe hain. aise guru kisako kahate hain? AtmAkI sAdhanA kare aur svarUpamen lIn hote ho, vah guru hai.

aur shAstra, jisamen AtmAkI bAt AtI ho, vah shAstra hai. vah sab yathArtha samajhakar, AtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? dhyey AtmAkA honA chAhiye. ananta kAl-se bhagavAn bahut bAr mile, guru mile, shAstra mile, lekin svayamko pahachAnA nahIn. bAharamen ruk gayA. svayamkI pahachAn kaise ho? aur jabatak pahachAn na ho, andar lInatA na ho tab shubhabhAvommen dev-guru-shAstra shubh bhAvanAmen hote hain. dhyey ek AtmAkA rakhanA. karanA vah hai.

bAhar kahIn sarvasva nahIn hai. AtmAmen sarvasva sukh aur sarvasva Ananda AtmAmen hai. use pragaT karanA vah karanA hai. ananta shaktiyAn AtmAmen hain. vah koI bAhar jyAdA kriyA kare, yA jyAdA tyAg kare, to antaramen pragaT ho, aisA nahIn hai. parantu antaramen svayamko pahachAne aur antar-se virakti ho, antar-se vibhAvakA tyAg ho to sachchA tyAg hai. bAharakA ho vah to shubhabhAvanA hai mAtra. antar-se vAstavamen chhUT jAy, antaramen- se rAgase bhinna hokar svayamko pahachAne vah vAstavamen antaramen tyAg hai. vah antaramen karanA hai.

sachchA tyAg antaramen hai, sachchA samvar antaramen hotA hai, sachchI nirjarA antaramen hotI hai, sab antaramen hotA hai. bAkI bAharakA jo mAnate hain ki apane tap karen to nirjarA hogI, vah sab bAharakA hai. aisA tap bahut bAr kiyA, aisI nirjarA kI, lekin vAstavamen nirjarA nahIn hotI hai. naye-naye karma bAndhate hain. sachchA to antar-se chhUTe to vAstavamen bandha-se chhUTe aur vAstavamen antar-se bhinna hokar sachchA mokSha antaramen hotA hai. karanA vah hai.

jaisA siddha bhagavAnakA svarUp hai, aisA apanA svarUp hai. aur vah gRuhasthAshramamen usakI svAnubhUti kar sakatA hai. gRuhasthAshramamen Anshik aur munidashAmen bArambAr svAnubhUti kar sakatA hai. jo usakA svabhAv hai usamen-se pragaT hotA hai. chhoTIpIpar ho use ghisate-ghisate charaparAI (pragaT hotI hai, vah) usamen bharA hai vah pragaT hotA hai. vaise AtmAmen gnAn hai, bArambAr us par dRuShTi kare, usamen ramaNatA kare to pragaT hotA hai. bAhar-se nahIn AtA. bAharamen to mAtra shubhabhAvanArUp kar sakatA hai.

... svabhAv-se bharA huA, vaise AtmA Ananda-se aur gnAn-se bharA hai. aise ananta guN-se bharA hai. parantu antaramen dRuShTi pragaT ho, to kAm Aye aisA hai. bhedagnAn karake AtmAko pahachAnanA. AtmAke utpAd-vyay-dhruv aur pudagalake utpAd-vyay-dhruv kyA? apane dravya-guN-paryAy, dUsaronke dravya-guN-paryAy, dononko bhinna kare, vah karanA hai.


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mumukShu- jitanA Adar dev-guru-shAstrake prati AtA hai, is bhUmimen, dUsarI jagah AtA nahIn.

samAdhAna- gurudev yahAn kitane sAl rahe hain. 45 sAl gurudev yahIn rahe hain. aur ye sab kudaratI unake pratAp-se aisA ho gayA hai ki...

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- vAstavik upAy vahI hai-svAnubhUti. gurudevane vahI (upadesh diyA hai ki) svAnubhUti pragaT karo. bAharamen jIv ananta kAlamen har jagah jahAn-tahAn ruk jAtA hai. parantu antaramen karanekA ek hI hai-svAnubhUti kaise ho? bhedagnAn kaise ho? AtmA kaise grahaN ho? vah hai. bAhar ruk jAtA hai.

ananta kAlamen (kriyAen) kI, bAhya tyAg kiyA, munipanA liyA, parantu antar ek AtmAko pahachAnA nahIn. sab bAharakA jAnA, lekin AtmAko jAne binA. ek AtmAko jAne usane sab jAnA hai. aisA gurudev kahate the, ek AtmAmen dRuShTi de to usamen sab A jAtA hai. ananta kAl aise hI vyatIt kiyA. bAhar thoDI kriyA kar lI to dharma mAn liyA, athavA kuchh tyAg kar diyA to mainne bahut kiyA, parantu antaramen tyAg kyA hai aur kaise hai, usakA vichAr nahIn kiyA hai.

svAnubhUtikA mArga gurudevane (batAyA). svAnubhUti antaramen hotI hai. nahIn to samayasAr paDhakar, isamen to AtmAke AnandakI bAt hai, AnandakI bAt hai, aisA karake chhoD dete the. digambarommen sab chhoD dete the. gurudevane usamen-se rahasya khole ki isamen to koI apUrva bAt bharI hai. samayasAramen.

(gurudevane sampradAyameen) dIkShA lekar chhoD diyA ki mArga to koI alag hai. antaramen hai. sabako prakAsh kiyA. yahAn to ThIk, pUre hindustAnamen sabako jAgRut kar diyA ki antaramen hai saba. sthAnakavAsImen yA digambaramen, sab bAhya kriyAmen dharma mAnate the. vah kahe, sAmAyik, pratikramaN kar le to dharma (ho gayA), thoDI bhakti-pUjA kar le to dharma (ho gayA), yahAn digambaramen thoDI shuddha-ashuddhi kar le to dharma (ho gayA), aise dharma (mAnate the). bAhar-se thoDA kar le, phir pUrA din kuchh bhI karate ho, thoDA kar le to dharma (ho gayA). usamen shubhabhAv rakhe to puNyabandha ho. bAhya prasiddhike hetu- se kare to puNya bhI nahIn bandhatA. shubhabhAvanA rakhe to puNyabandha hotA hai.

gurudev kahate hain, puNyabhAv bhI terA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase devalok hotA hai, bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA hai. tU usase bhinna hai. shubhabhAv bhI terA svarUp nahIn hai. usase tU bhinna hai. shubhabhAv sab bIchamen Ate hain. dev-guru-shAstra, dAn, dayA, tap sab Aye, lekin vah terA svabhAv (nahIn hai). shubhabhAvanA terA svarUp nahIn hai.


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pahale shurUAt sachchI samajhane karanI hai. yathArtha gnAn ho to yathArtha chAritra ho. binA gnAnake bAhar-se chAritra le lenA, vah to samajhe binA chalanA hai. kahAn chalanA hai? mArga to khoja. andar yathArtha shraddhA aur yathArtha gnAn karake, yahAn jAnA hai, usakA gnAn karake andar ramaNatA kar to chAritra (hotA hai). bAhar-se chAritra nahIn AtA hai. bAhya kriyAommen chalane lagA. lekin vah sthUl dRuShTi hai, antar dRuShTi nahIn kI. muni hokar tyAg kiyA, upavAs kiye, vrat dhAraN kiye, sab kiyA, kanThastha kiyA, paDh liyA, lekin AtmA andar kaise bhinna hai, vah jAnA nahIn. sab raT liyA, paDh liyA, shAstra dhokh liye, parantu antaramen AtmA bhinna aur ye bhinna hai, aisA antaramen (jAnA nahIn). antaramen-se pragaT karanA, antaramen-se bhinna honA, vah kuchh nahIn kiyA.

... jIvako ananta bAr prApta huA hai. parantu devamen-se puna paribhramaN hotA hai. siddha dashA to antaramen (hotI hai). vichAr dashA ho, antaramen-se gnAn gnAnarUp pariName, gnAyak gnAyakarUp pariName, ek gnAyak svabhAvamen sab bharA hai, usamen ananta shakti bharI hain, vah antaramen-se pragaT hotI hai.

mUl svabhAv, mUl jo tanA hai-Atma svabhAv-chaitanya-use grahaN nahIn kiyA aur sab shAkhA aur pattonko pakaD liyA. shAkhA-pattonse... mUlamen jAkar usamen gnAn-vairAgya rUpI jalakA sinchan kare to usamen-se vRukSha panape. mUl binAke shAkhA aur patte sUkh jAyenge.

.. dhyAn karanemen vikalpa-vikalpa manda kare, phir shUnyAkAr jaisA (ho jAtA hai). AtmAko grahaN kiye binA dhyAn bhI sachchA nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- ... jaisA sat pUrA dravya hai, ananta guN aur paryAy-se bharA huA, dravya-guN-paryAy... aise sat nahIn hai. usakA kArya bhinna, usakA lakShaN bhinna hai. isaliye use bhI sat us tarah kahanemen AtA hai. dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy sata. aur ahetuk arthAt vah akAraNayI hai. ahetuk hai. vah svayam svatantra hai. svayam apanA kArya karanemen svatantra hai. svayam apane svabhAvamen svatantra hai. aise usakI svatantratA hai, aise usakA sat hai. parantu vah sat aisA nahIn hai ki jaise dravya sat, guN-paryAy-se bharA pUrA dravya sat hai, aise guN-paryAy, aisA sat nahIn hai. lakShaN-se aur kAyA-se us prakAr- se vah sat hai.

mumukShu- do padAthAkI bhAnti do sat bhinna-bhinna nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- hAn. vaise sat nahIn hai. do padArtha bhinna-bhinna sat hain, vaisA sat nahIn hai. usake lakShaN-se, usake kArya, unake kArya bhinna-bhinna hai, us apekShAse unhen sat kahanemen AtA hai.


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mumukShu- us apekShAse satako bhinna kiyA jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- us prakAr-se bhinna paDate hain. aur lakShaN evan kArya, usake svayamke hain. koI use karatA nahIn. svayam usake kArya hai. to bhI use dravyakA Ashray rahatA hai. dravyakI pariNati, svayam svabhAv-or lakShya kare, dRuShTi kare to us orakI pariNati hotI hai. paryAy hotI hai svatantra, lekin vah dravyake Ashray-se rahatI hai.

akhaNDa dravyakA jaisA sat hai aisI dRuShTi kar to vaisI terI pariNati hogI. parantu vah dravya aisA hai ki dravya ananta guN aur ananta paryAy-se bharA hai. dravya aisA nahIn hai ki dravyamen koI shakti nahIn hai yA dravya koI kArya nahIn karatA hai, aisA nahIn hai. dravyamen ananta shakti, ananta guN aur ananta paryAyen hain. aisA kahanA chAhate hain. aisA kahakar padArtha alag nahIn karanA chAhate hain. dravyakA svarUp batAte hain, aisA kahakara.

dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy sat aisA kahakar dravyakA svarUp batAte hain ki dravya aisA hai. vah dravya kaisA hai? ki usamen ananta guN hain aur ananta paryAy hain. aur vah satarUp hai. vah dravya svayam hI vaisA hai. aisA kahanekA Ashay hai. usamen do TUkaDe nahIn karanA chAhate, lekin dravyakA svarUp batAte hain. dravyamen jo guN hain, vah satarUp hai, paryAy satarUp hai. sat arthAt usakA astitva hai. lekin usakA astitva aisA nahIn hai ki dravyakA astitva ananta shaktiyAn-ananta guNonse bharapUr hai, aisA guNakA sat aur paryAyakA sat aisA nahIn hai. vah to ekakA hai, ek guNakA, ek paryAyakA hai. vah sat aisA nahIn hai. is prakAr dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy sat kahakar dravyakA svarUp batAte hain. bhinnatA karaneko nahIn batAte hain, parantu aisI dRuShTi aur svayamko aisI mahimA Aye ki yah dravya ananta guN aur ananta paryAyon-se bharA hai. aisA tU yathArtha gnAn kara. gnAn karake us or dRuShTi aur us jAtakI pariNati pragaT kara. aisA kahanekA Ashay hai.

teremen ananta guN aur teremen ananta paryAy hain. aur vah satarUp hai. tU dravya aisA nahIn hai ki ek aisA piNDa hai ki jisamen koI kArya nahIn hai, jisamen bhinna-bhinna jAtakI paryAyen nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. teremen anek jAtakI paryAyen aur ananta jAtake guN bhare hain, usakA tU gnAn kara. aisA kahanA chAhate hain. ata pratyek sat bhinna- bhinna hai, vah ek-ek TUkaDe hain, aisI dRuShTi kar, aisA nahIn kahanA chAhate hain. parantu usakA tU gnAn kara. terA dravya ananta guN aur ananta paryAy-se bharA hai aur vah ananta guN aur ananta paryAy satarUp hain. sat arthAt terA dravya jaise ananta shaktiyon- se bharA hai aisA sat nahIn, apitu ek-ek maryAedit sat hai. ek gnAnalakShaN jAnanekA, aise. ek-ek anshakA hai. pUrA anshIkA sat hai, vaisA anshakA sat nahIn hai. aur


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anshakA sat hai vah svayamsiddha hai. lekin dravyakA svarUp dravyake Ashray-se hai.

mumukShu- use rakhakar bAt hai.

samAdhAna- vah bAt rakhakar usakA svayamsiddha sat is prakAr samajhanA.

mumukShu- tInon milakar ek sat hai. ... paradravya-se bhedagnAn ho. aur dravya sat, guN sat aur paryAy sat aisA gnAn karavAkar paryAyakA lakShya chhuDAnA hai aur guNakI dRuShTi karavAnI hai, aisA koI prayojan hai?

samAdhAna- tU paradravya-se bhinna ho jA. teremen paryAy hain, tU kUTastha nahIn hai, parantu teremen bhI paryAy hain. terI pariNatiko badal, aisA kahanA hai. teremen paryAy hain, teremen guN hain. apane sva guN aur sva paryAyonkA usakA gnAn hotA hai. terI pariNati palaTan svabhAvI hai. tU aisA nahIn hai ki kUTastha hai. akelA kUTastha hai aur usamen kuchh hai hI nahIn, sarva apekShA-se kUTastha hai aisA nahIn hai. teremen pariNati-paryAy bhI hai aur vah paryAy satarUp hai. teremen ananta guN hain. aise dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy sat sabakA gnAn kara.

.. dRuShTi to abhed karanI hai, parantu yah sab gnAn karanA hai. terA dravya akhaNDa kaisA hai, usakA gnAn kara. paryAyadRuShTi chhuDAkar... dRuShTi apanI or jAtI hai to paryAy apanI or muDatI hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- dravyakA lakShya hotA hai isaliye paryAy svayam palaTatI hai. koI dravya kUTastha mAnate ho, dravyamen guN nahIn hai, aisA mAnate ho. usamen akhaNDa anekAnta svarUp A jAtA hai. teremen guN ananta hain, teremen paryAy hain. sabakA gnAn kara. paryAy na ho to sAdhak dashA bhI na ho. to sAdhak dashA paryAy hai. guNonkA vedan hotA hai. gnAnakA gnAnarUp, chAritrakA chAritrarUp, AnandakA AnandarUpa. vah sab vedan hotA hai. isaliye teremen guN hain, teremen paryAy hain. aur vah sab svadravya hai. vah sab gnAn karaneke liye hai. aur usamen pariNati, us rUp apane puruShArthakI pariNati bhI us anusAr hotI hai.

dRuShTi aur gnAn yathArtha na ho to usakA puruShArtha bhI yathArtha nahIn hotA. dravya par akhaNDa dRuShTi kar, parantu ye guN aur paryAyake bhedamen rukanA nahIn hai, parantu usakA gnAn kara. tujhe chAritrakI paryAy pragaT ho, vah bhI paryAy hai, tujhe gnAn pragaT ho, vah bhI ek paryAy hai. lekin vah sab teremen guN hain.

mumukShu- ek akhaNDa vastumen aise ananta guN..

samAdhAna- paryAyarUp sat bhI tere dravyamen sab bharA hai. usakA gnAn kara. yathArtha shraddhA ho, svAnubhUti ho. to bhI chAritradashA abhI bAkI rahatI hai. isaliye aise guNake


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bhed andar hai, paryAyake bhed paDate hain, un sabakA gnAn kara.

mumukShu- un sabako jaisA hai vaisA jAna.

samAdhAna- jaisA hai vaisA tU jAna. to tujhe vItarAg dashAkI prAptiA hogI, to terI sAdhak dashA Age baDhegI. dRuShTi huyI isaliye sab paripUrNa ho gayA, aisA nahIn hai. abhI terI dashA adhUrI hai. vItarAg dashAkI prApti (nahIn huyI hai), pUrNatA abhI bAkI hai. dRuShTi bhale pUrNa par hai, lekin abhI adhUrA hai.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- usakA matalab ki jaisA dravya sat hai, vaise guN evan paryAy us jAtake sat nahIn hai. isaliye vaisA sat nahIn hai, ek hI sat hai. us apekShA-se ek hI sat hai. lakShaN... jo shAstramen AtA hai, vah astitva rakhatA hai, guN aur paryAy apanA astitva rakhatA hai, isaliye sata.

mumukShu- is apekShA-se shAstramen dravya sat, guN sat aur paryAy satakA.. samAdhAna- vah apanA astitva rakhatA hai. guN aur paryAya. bAkI dravya-guN- paryAy milakar pUrA dravya (hai). dravya jaisA akhaNDa sat hai, vaise guN aur paryAy vaise svatantra sat nahIn hai jagatamen, aisA. aur dRuShTimen main pUrNa vItarAg svarUp hUn, vah dRuShTikA prayojan hai. aur paryAyakI sAdhanA abhI bAkI hai, isaliye usamenn vItarAgatAkA, pUrNatAkA prayojan, kevalagnAn paryant pahunchanA, vah prayojan hai. guN aur paryAy...

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!