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mumukShu- pUjya mAtAjI! shuddha dravyakA chintavan kis prakAr-se karanA chAhiye? thoDA-sA (spaShTa kIjiye).

samAdhAna- shuddha dravyakA chintavan to main shuddha svabhAv anAdiananta (hUn). ananta kAl gayA, janma-maraN hue, asankhyAt prakArake vibhAv hue aur janma-maraN to ananta hue. usake pariNAm bhI anek prakArake hue. to bhI vah dravya palaTakarake ashuddha nahIn huA. dravyakA svabhAv shaktirUp-se vaisA hI hai. aisA main anAdiananta shuddhAtmA hUn. ananta kAl gayA to bhI nAsh nahIn huA. nAsh honevAlA nahIn hai. vah svAnubhavamen A sakatA hai. aisA main svabhAv anAdiananta svayamsiddha AtmA hUn. usakA astitva grahaN karanA. main gnAyak svabhAv hUn. ye vibhAv hai vah AkulatArUp hai. main nirAkul AtmA gnAyak hUn. aisA gnAyak svabhAv main shuddhAtmA hUn. aisA vichAr karanA.

bhItaramen-se jab usakA astitva yathArtha grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaNamen AtA hai. bAkI vichAr karatA hai, abhyAs karatA hai. yathArtha grahaN to bhItaramen jAkar usakA svabhAv grahaN kare, usakA astitva grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaN hotA hai. bAkI vichAr kare, pratIt kare, abhyAs kare. main anAdiananta shuddhAtmA gnAyak hUn aur vibhAv shubhabhAv hotA hai vah puNyabandhakA (kAraN), vah bhI vibhAv hai. UnchA shubhabhAv Ave, gnAn- darshan-chAritrakA bhed Ave to bhI shubhabhAv rAgamishrit hai. main shuddhAtmA hUn. guNakA bhed hove to bhI vah jAn letA hai ki svabhAvamen gnAn, darshan, chAritra sab hai. to bhI usakA jo vikalpa AtA hai, vah vikalpa merA svarUp nahIn hai. lakShaNabhed hai. vAstavikamen anAdiananta akhaNDa chaitanya hUn, aise shuddhAtmAko grahaN karanA.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! svAnubhav kAlamen kyA dravya-paryAy donon ekasAth anubhavamen Ate hain?

samAdhAna- dravya-paryAy donon (anubhavamen Ate hain). vAstavamen paryAyakI anubhUti hotI hai aur dravya par dRuShTi to rahatI hai, nirantar dRuShTi rahatI hai. anubhUti paryAyakI hotI hai, parantu dravya aur paryAy donon gnAnamen A jAte hain. gnAnamen dravya-paryAy donon A jAte hain. dravya aur paryAy, dononkI anubhUti. is apekShA-se dravya-paryAy dononkI

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anubhUti hotI hai. pragaT paryAy huyI isaliye paryAyakA anubhav huA. aisA kahate hain. parantu dravya-paryAy dononkA gnAn hotA hai.

mumukShu- mAteshvarI! ye sab vikalpa, main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn karate-karate nirvikalpatAkA Ananda nahIn A rahA hai.

samAdhAna- vikalpa.. vikalpa... vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahIn hotA hai. usakA abhyAs rahatA hai ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn. vikalpa to vikalpa hI hai. vah shubh vikalpa hai. parantu abhyAs to pahale aise hI hotA hai. vikalpa, rAgamishrit bhAv sAthamen rahatA hai ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn. vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahIn hotA. main gnAyak hUn, aisI pariNati pragaT hove aur vikalpa TUT jAya.

main gnAyak hI gnAyak hUn. svayamsiddha anAdiananta gnAyak hUn. gnAyak svabhAvI shuddhAtmA gnAyak hUn. aisI pratIt dRuDh karake usakI lInatA hove, is tarahakI pariNati pragaT hove to nirvikalpa hotA hai, to vikalpa TUT jAtA hai. bAkI vikalpa bIchamen AtA hai, parantu vikalpa-se vah nirvikalpa nahIn hotA hai. bhItarakI lInatA, usakI ekAgratA, usakI pratItikI dRuDhatA hove, lInatAkI dRuDhatA hove to nirvikalpa hotA hai. vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- AchArya kahate hain ki yuktike avalamban-se andaramen jAnA. to kaun- sI prabal yukti hai jisase andar jAy?

samAdhAna- yuktike avalamban-se. dRuDh yukti-se aisA nirNay karanA chAhiye ki main shuddhAtmA hI hUn aur kuchh main nahIn hUn. yukti-se, Agam-se aise sabase yathArtha nirNay karanA, bAdamen svAnubhUti hotI hai. jo Agam batAtA hai, jo yukti-se (nakkI kiyA) ki svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahIn hotA hai. svabhAv to anAdiananta jo svayamsiddha vastu hai, usakA nAsh nahIn hotA hai. aisI anek tarahakI yukti-se nirNay karanA chAhiye.

main gnAnasvabhAv hUn. gnAn to gnAn hI rahatA hai. jo pAnI shItal hai, vah shItal hI rahatA hai. agnikI uShNatAkA svabhAv hai, uShNa hI rahatA hai. ye to dRuShTAnta hai, sthUl dRuShTAnta hai. anAdiananta paramANu paramANu rahatA hai, AtmA AtmA hI rahatA hai. vastukA nAsh nahIn hotA. aisI anek tarahakI yukti-se main chaitanya svabhAv AtmA, shuddhAtmA hUn. usamen ashuddhatA nahIn hotI hai. ashuddhatA paryAyamen hotI hai. ek dravyamen dUsarA dravya pravesh nahIn karatA. anek tarahakI yuktike bal-se aur jo AchArya bhagavant kahate hain, gurudev kahate hain, un sabakA milAn karake yuktike avalamban-se dRuDh pratIti karake Age jAye ki main gnAyak hUn, yathArtha main gnAyak hUn. svayamsiddha shuddhAtmA hUn. aisI bArambAr pratIti dRuDh karake lInatAkI dRuDhatA karanA. bArambAr usakA abhyAs karanA. yukti anek

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tarahakI, yathArtha yukti aisI dRuDh hotI hai ki jo TUTatI nahIn. aisI samyak yukti-se nirNay karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! vachanAmRutamen AtA hai, khaNDa khaNDa upayog paravashatA hai. rAgako paravashatA samajhanA hai ki gnAnako? khaNDa khaNDa upayog paravashatA hai to vahAn rAgako samajhanA ki gnAnako?

samAdhAna- rAg paravash hai. rAgake sAth adhUrA gnAn hai, adhUrA gnAna. isaliye adhUre gnAnako upachAr-se paravash kahanemen AtA hai. rAgamishrit kShayopasham gnAn bhI paravash hai. adhUrA gnAn bhI paravash hai. kram-kram pravartatA hai, khaNDa khaNDa pravartatA hai. pUrNa kevalagnAn hai vah ek sAth pravartatA hai. rAg paravashatA hai, lekin kShayopasham gnAnako bhI paravash ginanemen AtA hai. usako bhI upachAr-se paravash kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- .. vachan hameshA anubhavapUrNa hote hain, aise ham Ap charaNonkI sevAmen hameshA bane rahenge, yahI bhAvanA bhAte hain. ... batAyA, usamen aur Apake batalAnemen kuchh bhI antar nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- bahut spaShTa kiyA hai, pUre hindustAnako jagA diyA. koI jAnatA nahIn thA, mArga batAyA sabako. sab kriyAmen paDe the. sab bAharamen paDe the, dRuShTi bAhar thI. koI thoDA svAdhyAy kar le, koI thoDI kriyA kar le, thoDA upavAs kar le (usamen) dharma mAn lete the. gurudevane ...

mumukShu- ... samavasaraNake sAth jA rahe hain. samavasaraNamen jA rahe hain. to ve bole, kyA tIrthankarake pAs? tIrthankar bhI virAjamAn hain, donon virAjamAn hain. paramAgam mandir hamako gurudevakI yAd dilAtA hai aur vachanAmRut bhavan ban rahA hai, vah mAtAjIkI yAd dilAtA hai.

samAdhAna- 45 varSha gurudev yahAn virAjamAn rahe. barason tak nirantar vANI barasAyI. vANI barasAnevAle koI mahAbhAgya-se nirantar vANI barasAnevAle. aise adhyAtmake nirantar...

mumukShu- gurudev to kahate the ki meru sam puNyakA uday ho tab gnAnIke vachan sunaneko milate hain. ham logonkA mahAbhAgya, bahinashrI! ApakI chhatrachhAyA ham logonke Upar hai.

mumukShu- pUjya mAtAjI! gurudevane Tepamen pharamAyA thA ki pramAN pUjya nahIn hai, nay pUjya hai. thoDA-sA spaShTIkaraNa.

samAdhAna- gurudev aisA kahate the ki nay pUjya hai. muktike mArgamen nay mukhya hotA hai. shuddhanay shuddhAtmAko grahaN karo, dravyadRuShTi karo, isaliye nay pUjya hai. is apekShA-se. pramAN pUjya hai vah nayakI apekShA-se nahIn, aisA kahate the. parantu pramAN

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aise sAthamen rahatA hai. jisako nay pragaT hotI hai usake sAthamen pramAN hotA hai. pramANagnAn sAthamen rahatA hai. dravya-paryAy dononkA pramAN-se milAn hotA hai. isaliye jo kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai, jo munidashA pragaT hotI hai, sAdhak dashA-sAdhanA vah sab paryAyamen hotI hai. is apekShA-se nay aur pramAN donon pUjya hain. gurudev koI jagah kahate the, nayako mukhya karate the.

yadi pramAN pUjya nahIn hove to munidashA bhI pUjya nahIn hove, to kevalagnAn bhI pUjya nahIn hove. paryAy pragaT hotI hai to nay aur pramAN donon (sAthamen rahate hain). sAdhak dashAmen dravyadRuShTi mukhya karake sAdhanAkI paryAy jo pragaT hotI hai, chauthI bhUmikA, pAnchavI, chhaThThI-sAtavIn bhUmikA sab bhUmikA hotI hai. usamen sab paryAy pragaT hotI hai. isaliye donon sAthamen (hote hain).

parantu nayakI apekShA-se anAdi kAl-se jIvane shuddhanayakA pakSha kiyA nahIn. shuddhanayake binA mukti pragaT hotI nahIn. isaliye nay pUjya hai, pramAN pUjya nahIn hai. vah to paryAyako gauN karaneke liye kahA hai. parantu sAdhak dashAmen paryAy to AtI hai. isaliye muniko pUjya kahate hain, kevalagnAn (pUjya hai). donon apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

gurudevakI bAtamen do apekShA AtI thI. dUsarI jagah pramAN aur nayakA sabakA sambandha AtA thA. gurudev bhaktikA adhikAr, dAnakA adhikAr sab paDhate the to usamen nishchay-vyavahArakA milAn karate the. donon samajhanA chAhiye.

nay mukhya hai. anAdi kAl-se jIvane use grahaN nahIn kiyA. muktike mArgamen shuddhAtmAkI dRuShTi mukhya rahatI hai. parantu paryAyakI shuddhatA hotI hai. isaliye nay aur pramAN sAthamen rahate hain. pramAN pUjya nahIn hai. parantu nay-pramAN donon pUjya hain, koI apekShA-se. to munidashA pUjya nahIn hotI, to kevalagnAn pUjya nahIn hotA. yadi pramAN pUjya nahIn hotA to, paryAy pUjya nahIn hotI to.

mumukShu- Aj Tepamen AyA thA, mAtAjI! ki dhruvake ShaTakArak alag hai, paryAyake ShaTakArak alag hain. to hamen gabharAhaT hotI hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, alag aise nahIn hai. dhruvake ShaTakArak alag, vah dUsarI apekShA hai. donon dravya alag-alag hain. dhruvakA ShaTakArak aur dUsare dravyakA alag hai. aur paryAyake ShaTakArakakI apekShA dUsarI hai.

jitanA dravya svatantra hai, utanI paryAy svatantra nahIn hai. paryAy dravyake Ashrayamen hotI hai. paryAy yadi itanI svatantra hove to dravya aur paryAy donon dravya ho jAya. yadi itanI paryAy svatantra ho to paryAy hI dravya ho jAy, donon dravya ho jAya. isaliye paryAy dravyake Ashray-se hotI hai. parantu paryAy ek ansh hai. vah svatantra hai. yah batalAneke

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liye usake ShaTakArak bhinna batAye. parantu itanI apekShA samajhanI chAhiye ki dravyake Ashray- se paryAy rahatI hai. dravyake Ashrayamen paryAy rahatI hai. isaliye dravya jitanA svatantra hai, utanI paryAy svatantra nahIn hai. aisA samajhanA chAhiye. gurudevakI apekShA anek prakArakI (AtI thI).

mumukShu- ... pUrA sAr A gayA. bhaviShyakA chitraN batAnA tere hAthakI bAt hai. usako hI sambhAlakar rahe. paradravyakI sambhAl karate-karate ananta kAl bIt gayA. lekin Atmadravya bhItar virAjamAn hai, usakI sambhAl ek samayamAtra nahIn karI. ye mArga milA kahAn-se? ye rag-ragamen bharA huA hai. rom-romamen. kyA vachanAmRut hai! anamol- anamol vachan hain, jisakI kImat nahIn AnkI jA sakatI. agar usako pAn kar le, .. chintan kar le, vahI sachchA bhakta hai, nahIn to kyA hai? sab sevA karI, lekin Apake vachanonko pAlan karake ek taraph baiThakarake antar manan kar le, terA kalyAN ho jAyagA. vahI sachchA bhakta hai. gurudev kahenge ki mere mArgamen AyA, merA sachchA bhakta hai. ek bAtako dhAraN karake ... ek-ek bol... ek AyA na? vikalpa hamArA pIchhA nahIn chhoDate. to vikalpa tereko nahIn lagA, vikalpako tU lagA hai. tU vikalpako chhoD de na. itanI-sI bAta. itanemmen sArA sAr samA gayA. ... chhedan ho gayA. vikalpakA gnAyak hUn, vikalpa merA svarUp nahIn hai. dhanya ho!

mumukShu- hamAre kahate hain ki jahAn na pahunche ravi, vahAn pahunche kavi. mumukShu- mere rom-romamen samAyA huA hai, vachanAmRutakA ek-ek bola. dhanya hai! agar ek bAr usane paDh liyA Atma chintan-se ek bAr manan kar liyA, usakA kalyAN nahIn hove ye bAt ban sakatI nahIn. .. main kahatA hUn ... vachanAmRut pUrA- shurU-se Akhir taka. abhiprAy terA kahAn paDA huA hai? ruchiko palaT de. tereko kahIn na lage to jA.

mumukShu- kahIn na ruche to andar jA. mumukShu- vishvakA adabhut tattva tUn hI hai. kaun kahanevAlA hai? adabhut tattvako pahachAnakarake, jisako jAnakarake jinhonne batA diyA ki vishvakA adabhut tattva tU hI hai. sArA sAr, jo dekho vah usamen bharA hai. nikAlanevAlA honA chAhiye, khojanevAlA honA chAhiye. aur apan nahIn khojenge to kyA phAyadA? Apake batAye hue mArga par chalakar, ek satpuruShako khoj le aur usake charaNakamalamen sarva arpaN kar de. to terA kalyAN ho jAyagA. dhanya hamArA bhAgya! aise shabda kahAn milate the? kaun jAnatA thA? Aj hamArA bhAgya khil gayA. AhAhA..!

jan-janamen yah bAt, AtmA-AtmA kaun jAnatA thA? Aj to saral mArga batA

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diyA. halavA rakh diyA sAmane parosakar, uThAkar khA le. par UtAranA paDegA. nahIn khAye to ... ab to UtAra.

samAdhAna- ... tIrthankar bhagavAn chhadmastha avasthAmen hote hain.

mumukShu- sarvotkRuShTa tIrthankar hI hote hain.

mumukShu- pahale aisA likhA hai ki shrAvak, samyagdRuShTi, munivar aur bAdamen likhA hai ki chhadmastha tIrthankara.

samAdhAna- chhadmastha kahanemen AtA hai. jabatak kevalagnAn nahIn hotA tabatak kahanemen AtA hai. bhagavAnako kahanemen AtA hai. abhI adhUrA gnAn hotA hai tabatak chhadmastha kahanemen AtA hai. arihant-arihant sab arihant kahalAte hain, parantu tIrthankar bhagavAn visheSh puNyashAlI hote hain. isaliye puNyavant arihant kahanemen AtA hai. unakA prabhAvanA uday, unakA puNya visheSh hotA hai tIrthankar bhagavAnakA. dUsare arihant bhagavAnake puNya hotA hai. usamen tIrthankar bhagavAn sAtishay puNyashAlI visheSh hote hain. isaliye puNyashAlI arihant kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- ... pAtratA. yah visheSh isamen liyA hai-nirbhrAnta darshanakI pagadaNDI para. usamen aisA likhA hai. garbhit pAtratA hai, vah gnAnI hI jAn sakate hain. to hamen kaise mAlUm paDe?

samAdhAna- garbhit pAtratA-andar avyakta pAtratA ho. vah svayam na jAn sake to svayamko apanI pAtratA pragaT karanI. andaramen svayam apaneko jAn sakatA hai ki merI pAtratA kis prakArakI hai. andar avyakta pAtratA ho vah svayamko pakaDame na Aye to svayam antarakI jignAsA, lagan taiyAr karake svayam puruShArtha karake pAtratA pragaT karanI. andar avyakta ho vah sabako pakaDamen A jAy, aisA nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- pragaT ho jAy usake bAd to jAnanA kahAn rahA? vah to gnAt ho gayA.

samAdhAna- itanI jignAsA ho ki merI pAtratA kis jAtakI hai. mujhe kyon mAlUm nahIn paDatI. to pAtratA andar-se pragaT karanI.

mumukShu- tabatak huyI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, tabatak nahIn huyI hai. svayam pragaT karanI. utanI antaramen svayamko bhAvanA hotI ho to.

mumukShu- koI-koI gnAnionko, garbhit pAtratAkA khyAl koI-koI gnAniyonko A jAtA hai. garbhit pAtratAkA khyAl koI-koI gnAniyonko A jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- A jAy, usakI amuk jAtakI lAyakAt dekhakar khyAlamen A jAtA

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hai ki is jIvakI kis prakArakI lAyakAt hai. vah jAn sakate hain. svayam jAn na sake to koI gnAnI use jAn sakate hain. sabakI jAn sake aisA nahIn, koI-koIkI jAn sakate hain. usake parichay-se kis jAtake pariNAm aur kis jAtakI usakI gaharAI aur kis jAtakA hai, us par-se jAn sakate hain.

mumukShu- pAtratAke pariNAm to anubhav-se adhik sthUl hai. samAdhAna- hAn, sthUl hai. mumukShu- anubhavakA jAn sake to pAtratA to... samAdhAna- anubhUti to svayamkI hai. anubhUti to, svayam svAnubhUti kare vah svAnubhUti to svasamvedan gnAn hai. svayam hI usakA anubhav karanevAlA hai. isaliye vah usakA anubhav kar sakatA hai. ye to dUsarekI pAtratA. bAkI to svayam hI hai, svAnubhUti hai to. svAnubhUtimen svayam svasamvedyamAn svayam hai. isaliye to usakA vah anubhav kar sakatA hai. dUsarekA jAnanA, usamen sabakA jAn sakate hain, aisA nahIn hai. kisIko aisA pratyakSha gnAn ho to jAn sakatA hai. kisIko mati-shrutakI nirmalatA ho, koI avadhignAnI ho vah jAn sakatA hai. bAkI koI jIv parichayamen AyA ho to (jAn sakate hain).