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samAdhAna- gurudevakI AgnA huyI. phir manamen aisA huA ki main to kadAchit mAn lUn, parantu ye sabako bechAronko... sabako dukh ho, usakA kyA? gurudevane koI javAb nahIn diyA. parantu us din sabako aisA ho gayA thA ki mAnon gurudev virAjate hon. guruedavane bahut pramod-se kahA, main yahIn hUn, aisA mAnanA. aisA kuchh nahIn rakhanA, aisA kahA. svapna itanA hI thA. svapnamen Upar-se pAdhare hon, aisA svapna thA.

mumukShu- ApakI bhAvanA-se gurudevakI dUj alaukik rUp-se manAyI gayI. vaishAkh shuklA-dUja.

samAdhAna- vaishAkh shukla-dUj, bahut achchhI tarah-se manAyI gayI.

mumukShu- .. svayam bhI padhAre ho, aisA ban sakatA hai.

samAdhAna- ban sakatA hai, apaneko lage gurudev svapnamen padhAre. gurudev gaye tab bhI thoDe mahine pahale bhI devakA aisA svapna AyA thA. gurudevake rUpamen. main yahIn hUn, aisA mAnanA. vah bhaktimen joDA hai na? indra sarIkhA shobhI rahyA chhe..

mumukShu- vah svapnake anusandhAnamen hai?

samAdhAna- svapna aur antar-se sab juDA hai. mujhe to aisA bhAvanA hotI hai ki gurudev yahAn-se vimAnamen jAte ho, .. padhArate hain. gurudev sImandhar bhagavAnakI vANI sunane (jAte hain). aisI bhAvanA ho, devonkI to shakti hai, sIdhe mahAvidehamen jAye. parantu ye bharat aur mahAvideh donon samIp hai. sImandhar bhagavAn jahAn virAjate hain, vah mahAvideh aur yah bharat, ghAtukI khaNDa dUr hai, parantu bhagavAn virAjate hain vah mahAvideh aurayah bharatakShetra donon samIp hai. ye bharatakShetra to bIchamen AtA hai. devonko to bIchamen Aye yA na Aye, ve to avadhignAn-se jAn sakate hain.

mumukShu- is bAr Apako phoTomen kuchh prakAsh jaisA lagatA thA.

samAdhAna- sab log kahate the ki gurudev sAkShAt virAjate hain. phir in logonne viDIyo dikhAyA to viDIyamon kaun jAne aisA prakAsh, aisA kuchh lagA ki mAnon gurudev hai. mainne to vahAn mAtra darshan kiye, main to is or baiThI thI. dUsare log kahate the. darshan karate samay ... utanI bAt hai. parantu ye viDIyomen mujhe aisA lagA ki ye kis

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jAtakA lagatA hai? gurudev sAkShAt virAjate hain, aisA bhAv AyA. us jAtakA viDIyokA koI prakAsh A gayA hai.

mumukShu- prasang itanA sundar rUp-se manAyA gayA ki aisA thoDA anumAn ho ki gurudev sAkShAt yahAn padhAre hon.

samAdhAna- hAn, padhAre ho aisA lage.

mumukShu- AshIrvAdakA phoTo hI aisA lagatA thA ki mAno AshIrvAd diye hon. sAkShAt padhAre hon.

samAdhAna- gurudevakA mastak aur ye sab alag dikhatA thA, mAnon sAkShAt kyon na ho! aisA dikhe. mujhe to kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA, sab kahate the. lekin kaun-sA phoTo aur kyA lagatA hai, viDIyomen achAnak dekhA to aisA hI lagA.

mumukShu- ApakI gurudev prati bhakti hI aisI hai.

samAdhAna- aisA ho. bAkI gurudev to devamen virAjate hain.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- koI-koI bAr bolU vah Aye. bAkI..

mumukShu- hame to utanA hI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- prasang ho tab A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- madhyastha logonko to bahut lAbh huA hai. ... kahate hain ki bahut..

samAdhAna- tattva charchA karate ho us vakta dhUnamen bhale yathArtha AtA ho, bAhar prakAshit karanemen chAron pahalU Ane chAhiye. vah sab usamen dhyAn rakhanA paDe. viDiyo to kabhI-kabhI lete hain.

mumukShu- Apako to sahaj hotA hai, usamen Apako dhyAn rakhanA paDe...

samAdhAna- vah to sahaj AtA hai.

mumukShu- charchAmen chAron pahalUonko Ap samAviShTa karI hI dete ho. Ap kahate ho, lekin us charchAmen us viShayamen Ap chAron pahalUonko dUsare-tIsare prakAr-se A hI jAtA hai. bhAI aisA nahIn kahate hain ki kisIko shankA paDe aur dUsarA artha nikAle. aisA bhI nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- pahale din charchA prashnamen bhedagnAnakI dhUn thI to bhedagnAnakA bolI, phir dUsarI bAr Apane pUchhA. phir chAron pahalUse spaShTa AyA. pahale bhedagnAn par vajan AyA, phir Apane prashna kiyA to jyAdA spaShTa ho gayA.

mumukShu- parantu samajhanevAlA AtmA samajh jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah to samajh (jAy), Ashay samajh jAnA chAhiye.

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mumukShu- apekShAonkI khInchatAn-se jo kuchh ulajhanen utpanna huyI hai, Ap spaShTIkaraN karate ho to sabako ek jAtakA samAdhAn bhI ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- sabake pakSha aise ho gaye hain. jise jignAsA ho vah samajhatA hai. bAkI sabakI dRuShTi anusAr sab khInchate hain. .. bAt aisI hai, sabakI dRuShTi anusAr khInch lete hai. jise jignAsA yathArtha ho, use barAbar samajhamen Aye aisA hai. aisA bahut bAr hotA hai. to bhI koI prasang ho to tab Ap viDIyo lAte hI ho.

mumukShu- hamen to Ap pharamAte ho, isaliye vah prasang hI ban jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- .. gurudevane to chAron or barasAt barasA gaye hain. main to ThIk, prashna pUchhe usake javAb detI hUn. gurudevane chAron or mUsalAdhAr bArIsh barasA dI hai. har jagar ankur utpanna ho gaye, aisI barasAt barasAyI hai. Am boye hain.

mumukShu- bArIsh barasaneke bAd kisIne angIkAr kar liyA ho, usamen-se bhI nadI, jharane Adi bahate hain na. usakA bhI lAbh to milanA chAhiye na. ... dete honge, usakA lAbh to ham lenevAle hain.

samAdhAna- Ap Ate ho tab prashna to pUchhate hI ho.

mumukShu- bAlak ho to usakI ek Adat hotI hai ki mAtAko thoDA pareshAn kare. aur mAtAko aisA hotA hai ki bAlak pareshAn kare to bhI manamen use Ananda hotA hai ki bhale bAlak pareshAn kare. isaliye ham bAlak jaise hain.

samAdhAna-

prashna-charchA hotI hai, bAkI svAsthya aisA rahatA hai, isaliye thoDI dikkat hotI hai. gurudevane bahut (samajhAyA hai). bahut prashna ho gaye hain.

mumukShu- .. svaparaprakAshak hai aisA bhI kahanemen AtA hai. dononkI vivakShA kyA hai? kahAn vajan hai?

samAdhAna- svaprakAshak arthAt svayam paramen jAtA nahIn hai, par padArthake sAth ek nahIn ho jAtA hai. sva aur para. jo bhI jAnatA hai, vah svayam gnAnake svabhAv-se jAnatA hai. par-se svayam jAnatA nahIn hai. isaliye svaprakAshak kahanemen AtA hai. bAkI svaparaprakAshak usakA svabhAv hai.

svaprakAshak yAnI svako hI jAne aur parako jAnatA hI nahIn, use parakA kuchh gnAn hI nahIn hotA hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. to-to usakA gnAnasvabhAv maryAdit ho jAya. svaprakAshak yAnI parako jAnatA hI nahIn, aisA ho to gnAn maryAdit ho jAya. vAstavamen svayam apanI pariNatimen rahe, svabhAvamen rahe aur sahaj gnAt ho jAya. arthAt gnAn gnAnako jAnatA hai, gnAn parako nahIn jAnatA hai, us apekShA-se aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu gnAn gnAnako jAne yAnI vah dUsare kA kuchh svarUp jAnatA nahIn hai,

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aisA nahIn hai.

vah gneyonkA svarUp jAnatA hai. gnAnamen sab gneyonkA svarUp AtA hai. ananta gney jo jagatamen hain, chha dravya, usake dravya-guN-paryAy, usakA bhUt-vartamAn-bhaviShya sab usake gnAnamen AtA hai. yadi gnAnamen na Aye to use gnAnasvabhAv kaise kahen? gnAnaguN use kahate hain ki jisamen maryAdA na ho, aisA guN ho. isaliye vah pUrNa jAnatA hai. gnAnamen use sab AtA hai. upayog bAhar nahIn jAtA, apanI pariNatimen rahakar, gnAn gnAnamen rahakar sab jAnatA hai. aisA usakA svabhAv hai. isaliye svaparaprakAshak is tarah hai.

paramen jAkar, usakA kShetra chhoDakar bAhar nahIn jAtA hai. apane kShetramen rahakar jAne, yAnI gnAn gnAnake svarUpako jAne, gnAn gnAnako jAne, aisA kahanemen AtA hai. lekin vah gnAn gnAnako jAne isaliye usamen dUsarekA gnAn AtA hI nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. pUre lokAlokakA gnAn, narka, svarga, pUre lokAlokakA gnAn, chha dravya, usake dravya- guN-paryAy, bhUt-vartamAn-bhaviShya kuchh na jAne, yadi vah nahIn jAnatA ho to. gnAnamen sab AtA hai. ata gnAn svaparaprakAshak hai.

kevalagnAn hotA hai tab sahaj gnAt hotA hai, usakA svabhAv hI hai. nahIn hotA tabatak usakA adhUrA gnAn hai. svayam apane svarUpamen rahe isaliye usakA upayog bAhar nahIn hotA, isaliye nirvikalpatAke samay use bAharakA upayog nahIn hai. bAkI usake gnAnakA nAsh nahIn huA hai. gnAnakI shakti to amaryAdit hai.

mumukShu- matalab upayogAtmak rUpase bAharakA jAnanA us vakta nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- nahIn hai, upayogAtmak nahIn hai. bAkI usamen aisI jAnanekI shakti nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. pratyabhignAn... gnAn to hai, aisA svabhAv hai. to bhUtakAlakA kuchh jAne hI nahIn, bhaviShyakA kuchh jAne hI nahIn. aisA nahIn hai. kevalagnAn hone- se pahale pUrvakA sab jAne aisA usakA .. hai. nahIn hai, aisA nahIn.

mumukShu- pUrvakA jAnatA hai, vartamAn jAnatA hai aur bhaviShyakA..

samAdhAna- bhaviShyakA jAne, sab jAn sakatA hai. aisA usakA svabhAv hai. usakI dishA par taraph-gney taraph (hai). terI dishA badal de. terI dishA svasanmukh kar de. tere svadravya taraph terI dishA badal de. bAkI kuchh gnAt nahIn hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai. apanI pariNati sva-or gayI aur upayog svayam nirvikalpa svarUpamen sthir huA, isaliye bAharakA upayog nahIn hai, isaliye gnAt nahIn hotA. usakA svabhAv nAsh nahIn huA. vah adhUrA gnAn hai isaliye kram-kram-se gnAn jAnatA hai. upayog andar sthir ho gayA, isaliye bAharakA gnAt nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- upayogAtmak sthiti alag hai aur svabhAvakI sthiti..

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samAdhAna- svabhAvakI pariNati... samyagdRuShTi apane astitvakI jo pratIt huyI, use gnAyakakI dhArA hai. vah pariNati gnAyak gnAyakarUp pariNamatI hai. aur main is svarUp hUn aur is svarUp nahIn hUn, aisI pariNati to use sahaj chalatI hai. main chaitanya gnAyak svarUp hUn aur is svarUp nahIn hUn. yah hUn aur yah nahIn hUn. aisI do jAtakI usakI pariNati, aisA sahaj gnAn use vartatA hI rahatA hai. upayogarUp nahIn hai. vah labdha hai usakA matalab ek or paDA hai, aisA nahIn. use vedanamen aisA AtA hai ki main yah hUn aur yah nahIn hUn. yah main hUn-gnAyak hUn aur yah nahIn hUn. aisA sahaj gnAn nirantar use gnAyakakI dhArA rahatI hI hai. savikalpa dashAmen aisI gnAyakadhArA vartatI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- ahampanA rUp vRutti athavA vyApAr nirantar chalatA hI rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- vah nirantar chalatI hai. main yah hUn, isaliye usamen main nahIn hUn, aisA A jAtA hai. main yah hUn, isaliye parase bhinna yah main hUn.

mumukShu- yah main hUn, aisI pariNati (vartatI hai to) vahAn use svaprakAshak kahanA hai?

samAdhAna- svaprakAshak aur par, donon sAthamen A gayA. svaparaprakAshak hai. usakI pariNati svaparaprakAshak hai. pratIti-yah main hUn-aisA dRuDh hai. pratIti nirvikalpa hai, parantu gnAnakI dhArA hai ki yah main hUn aur yah nahIn hUn, vah svaparaprakAshak hai. asti aur nAsti donon gnAnamen A gayA hai. pratItimen main yah hUn, dRuShTimen yah main hUn, aisA (hai). bAkI gnAnakI-gnAyakakI dhArA chalatI hai. yah main hUn aur yah nahIn hUn. us jAtakI sahaj pariNati hai.

mumukShu- dishA sva taraph karanI hai, vah ek alag bAt hai. bAkI svabhAv to aisA hI hai.

samAdhAna- svabhAv to aisA hI hai. dishA sva taraph palaTanI hai. samAdhAna- dravya-guN-paryAy to vastukA svabhAv hai. paryAy ek ansh (hai). ansh jitanA anshI nahIn hai. (anshI) akhaNDa hai, vah to ansh hai. dRuShTikI apekShA-se paryAy meremen nahIn hai. paryAy hai hI nahIn, aisA to nahIn hai. dravya-guN-paryAy vastukA svabhAv hai.

gnAn sabakA hotA hai. dravya-guN-paryAy sabakA. paryAy jitanA, ek ansh jitanA kShaNik, aisA kShaNik svabhAv AtmAkA nahIn hai. AtmA shAshvat hai. paryAy kShaN-kShaN palaTatI rahatI hai. aise gnAn karanA. paryAy nahIn hove to paryAy Upar-Upar nahIn hotI hai, paryAy dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai.

mumukShu- shikharajImen charchA huyI thI gurudevakI varNIjIke sAth, usamen unhonne kahA thA ki ... hotA hai. to gurudevane kahA thA, rAgakI paryAy .. hotI hai.

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samAdhAna- kisake sAth charchA huyI thI?

mumukShu- varNIjIke sAtha.

samAdhAna- hAn, apane puruShArthakI mandatA-se rAgakI paryAy hotI hai. shuddhAtmAkI shuddha paryAy shuddhAtmAke Ashray-se hotI hai. aur puruShArthakI kamajorI-se rAgakI paryAy hotI hai. karma karavAtA nahIn. karma jabarajastI nahIn karavAtA. AtmA svayam rAgarUp pariNamatA hai.

jaise sphaTik harA, pIlA rUp pariNamatA hai, vah sphaTik pariNamatA hai. lAl- pIle phUl usamen nahIn Ate. vah to nimitta hai. pariNaman sphaTikakA hai. vaise pariNaman chaitanyakA hai. aur mUl svabhAv jo sphaTikakA hai, usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. AtmAke mUl svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn hotA hai. usake shuddha svabhAvakA nAsh nahIn hotA hai.

mumukShu- paryAy dravyamen-se nikalatI hai to nikalate-nikalate kuchh kam nahIn hotI hai? andar-se nikalatI hai to?

samAdhAna- to-to dravyakA nAsh ho jAya. rAg bhItaramen nahIn hai, rAgarUp AtmA pariNamatA hai. shuddhAtmAkI shuddha paryAy shuddhAtmAke Ashray-se hotI hai. bhItar-se nikalate- nikalate (kam ho jAy) to dravyakA nAsh ho jAya. aisA nahIn hai. dravya to ananta shakti (sampanna hai). ananta kAl dravya pariNaman karatA hai to bhI dravya to aisAkA aisA hai.

gnAnakI paryAy ek samayamen lokAlok jAnatI hai. to bhI ananta kAl pariNaman kare to usamen kam nahIn hotA hai. aisA koI dravyakA achintya svabhAv hai. usamen truT nahIn paDatI. ananta kAl pariName to bhI.

samAdhAna- ... koI kAraN-se dravya utpanna huA hai yA koI kAraN-se usakA nAsh hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai. dravya akAraN svatasiddha anAdiananta hai. aur usakA jo pariNaman hai, vah svata pariNamatA hai. vah kisIke Ashray-se pariNamatA hai yA koI use madad kare to pariNamatA hai, koI use viparIt kare to viparIt ho aur sulaTA kare to sulaTA ho, aisA nahIn hai. akAraN pAriNAmik dravya-use koI kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. vah svayam pariNamatA hai.

svayam anAdiananta svabhAvamen pariName usamen vibhAv andar usake svabhAvamen pravesh nahIn karatA. aisA akAraN svayam apane svabhAv-se pariNamatA hai, aisA usakA svabhAv hai. aur vibhAv ho to bhI vah svayam svatantra pariNamatA hai. aur svayam svabhAvako pragaT kare to bhI svatantra hai. usamen nimitta kahanemen AtA hai, parantu vAstavamen svayam pariNamatA hai. usamen koI kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. to hI use dravya kahA jAy ki jise koI kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. koI nimittake Ashray-se pariName, kisIkI madad-se pariName to us dravyakI dravyatA hI nahIn rahatI.

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dravya hI use kahate hain ki jise kisIkI sahAyatAkI jarUrat na paDe. usakA nAm dravya hai. vah dravya anAdiananta svatasiddha akAraN pariNamatA hai. vah usakA svabhAv hai. svayam apanA svabhAv kisI bhI prakAr-se toDatA nahIn hai. aise to pariNamatA hai, parantu vibhAvamen bhI karmakA nimittamAtra hai. svayam pariNamatA hai. svabhAvamen palaTatA hai vah svayam-se palaTatA hai, svabhAv taraph bhedagnAn karake. usamen dev-guru-shAstra nimitta hote hain. parantu upAdAn svayamkA hai.

vah akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai ki jise koI kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. abhI tak jIv svabhAv taraph kyon palaTatA nahIn? vah usakA svayamkA kAraN hai, kisIkA kAraN nahIn hai. use koI dUsarekA kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. svayam apane hI kAraN- se vibhAvamen pariName, apane kAraN svabhAvamen pariName. aisA akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. aisA usakA pariNaman svabhAv svatasiddha hai. koI use pariNaman karavAtA nahIn aur kisI anya-se usakA nAsh nahIn hotA.