Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (English transliteration). Track: 247.

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mumukShu- paramapAriNAmikabhAvamen pAriNAmik shabda to pariNAm sUchak lagatA hai. to dhruv niShkriy svabhAvarUp jAnapanA jo hai, usamen pariNAm mAne kyA? jAnapanAmen pariNAm kyA?

samAdhAna- anAdiananta hai. pAriNAmikabhAv ... svayam svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. usamen jo vibhAvakI kriyA, nimittakI kriyAonkA pariNaman nahIn hai. parantu svayam niShkriy (hai), pariNAmako sUchit karatA hai. niShkriy apane svabhAvako sadRushya pariNAm-se jo TikAye rakhatA hai. pariNAm hai, parantu vah pariNAm aisA pariNAm nahIn hai ki jo pariNAm dUsareke AdhAr-se yA dUsare-se pariName aisA pariNAm nahIn hai, niShkriy pariNAm hai. vah pariNAm shabda hai, parantu mUl svabhAv-se use koI apekShA-se niShkriy kahanemen AtA hai. niShkriy pariNAm kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- kUTastha shabda isamen isake sAth kaise biThAnA?

samAdhAna- koI apekShA-se use kUTastha kahanemen AtA hai. pAriNAmI svabhAv hai vah kAryako sUchit karatA hai. isaliye .. TikAye rakhatA hai. isaliye vah dhruv hai. aur dhruv hone par bhI jo utpAd-vyayarUp pariNamatA hai. aise utpAd-vyay aur dhruv, tInonkA sambandha hai. tInon apekShAyukta hain. akelA dhruv nahIn hotA, akele utpAd- vyay nahIn hote. utpAd kisakA hotA hai? jo dhruv, jo hai usakA utpAd hai. vyay bhI jo nahIn hai, usakA vyay kyA? isaliye usakI paryAyakA vyay hotA hai. utpAd bhI jo hai usakA utpAd hotA hai. isaliye hai, usamen to bIchamen sat to sAthamen A jAtA hai. dhruv to sat hai.

jo nahIn hai usakA utpAd nahIn hotA. jo nahIn hai usakA vyay hotA nahIn. jo hai usamen koI pariNAmakA utpAd aur koI pariNAmakA vyay hotA hai. hai usakA hotA hai. isaliye dhruvatA TikAkar, utpAd aur dhruvatA TikAkar vyay hotA hai. jo asat- jo jagatamen nahIn hai, usakA utpAd nahIn hotA. jo nahIn hai, usakA kahIn nAsh nahIn hai. jo sat hai, us satakA utpAd aur jo hai usamen vyay hotA hai. isaliye usamen dhruvamen utpAd-vyayakI apekShA sAthamen hai.


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mumukShu- dhruv binA akele utpAd-vyayakA vichAr karanA bhI vyartha hai.

samAdhAna- vyartha hai. dhruv binA akelA utpAd-vyay kyA? kahIn asatakA utpAd nahIn hotA. jo nahIn hai, usakA vyay nahIn hotA, jo hai usakA vyay hotA hai. dhruvatA TikAkar utpAd aur vyay hote hain. paryAyakA utpAd-vyay hai aur dravya svayam TikatA hai.

mumukShu- vastukA bandhAraN pahale jAnanA chAhiye. to vah bandhAraN kaisA? vastukA bandhAraN kise kahate hain?

samAdhAna- vastu kis svabhAv-se hai? vah kis prakAr-se nitya hai? kis prakAr-se anitya hai? kis apekShA-se nitya hai? kis apekShA-se anitya? usakA utpAd-vyay kyA? usakA dhruv kyA? usakA dravya kyA? use guN kyA? usakI paryAy kyA? dravya kaisA svatasiddha anAdiananta hai? vah sab usakA bandhAraN hai. dravya-guN- paryAy, utpAd-vyay aur svatasiddhapanA anAdiananta, Adi sab usakA bandhAraN hai. phir dravya, usamen vibhAv kaise huA? usakA svabhAv kaise pragaT ho? mUl vastu, usake dravya-guN-paryAy, utpAd-vyay usakA-dravyakA bandhAraN hai. usakA koI kartA nahIn hai, svayam svatasiddha vastu hai. vah usakA bandhAraN hai.

mumukShu- koI paryAy shuddha ho yA ashuddha ho, vah dhruvamen-se to nikalatI nahIn hai. nikale to dhruv khAlI ho jAya. to phir svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to hI paryAyamen shuddha ansh pragaT ho, usakA kyA kAraN?

samAdhAna- dhruvamen-se nahIn nikalatI hai arthAt jo vastu svayam ananta shakti- ananta guN-se bharI vastu hai. dRuShTi svabhAv par jAy, usamen guN pAriNAmikabhAv hai, usamen paryAy pragaT hotI hai. dhruv khAlI nahIn ho jAtA. ananta kAl pariName to bhI dravya kahIn khAlI nahIn ho jAtA. pariName to bhI jyonkA tyon rahatA hai. aisI dravyakI koI achintyatA hai. usamen ananta guN hain. un guNonkI paryAy-usakA kArya hotA hI rahatA hai. yadi kArya na ho to vah guN kaisA? vah aisA kUTastha nahIn hai. to phir dravya pahachAnamen hI na Aye. dravya akelA kUTastha ho aur pariName hI nahIn, to vah dravya pahachAnamen nahIn AtA ki yah chetan hai yA jaD hai. dravya yadi pariName nahIn to pahachAn hI nahIn ho. akelA kUTastha ho to.

kUTastha to (isaliye kahate hain ki) tU paryAy par yA bhed par dRuShTi na kara. dRuShTi ek akhaNDa jo ekarUp vastu hai us par dRuShTi kara. dravyakA jo pAriNAmik svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahIn hotA. dravyakI dravyatA kahIn chalI nahIn jAtI. dravya pariNamatA hai. us par dRuShTi kare to dravya jis svabhAvarUp ho us svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. usakI dRuShTi vibhAv taraph hai to vibhAvakI paryAy hotI hai aur svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to


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svabhAvakI paryAy ho. to bhI usakA jo svabhAv hai, dravya dravyatva chhoDatA nahIn, dravya dravyarUp to pariNamatA hI hai. akelA kUTastha ho to dravyakI pahachAn hI na ho. dravya dravyakA kArya karatA hI rahatA hai. svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to svabhAvakA kArya hotA rahe. svayam sahaj hotA rahatA hai. use buddhipUrvak yA vikalpapUrvak karanA nahIn paDatA sahaj hI hotA hai. dravya pariNamatA hI rahatA hai.

mumukShu- pahale jo Apane kahA ki kathanchit pariNAmI hai, usake AdhAr-se yah...

samAdhAna- kathanchit pariNAmI aur kathanchit apariNAmI. pariNAmI hai, dravya pariNamatA hai. svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to vah svata svayam svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai.

mumukShu- padArthakA gnAn, darshan aur chAritrarUp prati samay binA prayatna pariNaman to hotA hI rahatA hai. kyonki pariNamanA vah to siddhAntik bAt hai. to shubhAshubh rUp athavA shuddharUp, kis prakAr pariNamanA usamen jIvakA koI amuk guN nimitta paDatA hai, arthAt gnAn yA vIrya?

samAdhAna- usamen usakA gnAyak jo asAdhAraN guN hai, us gnAnako pahachAne, gnAyakatAko pahachAne. aur us rUp pratItako dRuDh kare. dRuShTi arthAt pratIta. dravya par dRuShTi-pratIt kare, us prakArakA gnAn kare aur us jAtakA usakI Anshik pariNati hotI hai. isaliye usamen use gnAn, darshan aur chAritra to (hote hI hain). visheSh chAritra to bAdamen hotA hai. lekin usamen dRuShTi, gnAn aur usakI Anshik pariNati ho to usakI shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

dRuShTi to ek dravya par hai, usake sAth use gnAn bhI samyak hotA hai. aur pariNati bhI us taraph jhukatI hai. to usamen-se shuddha paryAy, dravyamen-se sarvaguNAnsh so samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai. Aj AyA thA na? dravya kise kahate hain? jo dravit ho so dravya. gurudevakI Tepamen AyA thA.

mumukShu- jI hAn, Aj subah pravachanamen AyA thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, Aj subah (AyA thA). jo dravit ho use dravya kahate hain. dravya pariNamatA hai. svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. vibhAvamen dRuShTi hai to vibhAvakI paryAyen hotI hain. svabhAv par dRuShTi jAy to svabhAvakI paryAyen hotI hain. bAkI vastu to pAriNAmikabhAv-se anAdiananta ekarUp sadRushya pariNAm-se pariNamatA hai. vah koI apekShA-se kUTastha aur koI apekShA-se pariNAmI, koI apekShA-se apariNAmI hai.

mumukShu- akelA kUTastha mAnen to sab bhUl hotI hai.

samAdhAna- akelA kUTastha ho to usamen koI vedan bhI nahIn hogA, svAnubhUti


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bhI nahIn hogI. kisI bhI prakArakA guNakA kArya (nahIn hogA). jo kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai vah bhI nahIn hogA, chAritra nahIn hogA, kuchh nahIn hogA. yadi akelA kUTastha ho to koI kArya hI dravyamen nahIn hogA. akelA kUTastha ho to. kathanchit pariNAmI, apariNAmI hai.

siddha bhagavAn kevalagnAn prApta karake, svarUpamen unhen pariNAmIpanA, pariNAm pariNamate hI rahate hain. unhen pratyek guN pUrNa ho gaye. to bhI pratyek guNakA kArya agurulaghu svabhAvake kAraN sab pariNamate hI rahate hain. ananta kAl paryant pariName to bhI usamen-se khAlI hI nahIn hotA, utanAkA utanA rahatA hai. gnAn ananta kAl paryant pariName, Ananda ananta kAl paryant AnandakA sAgar pariNamatA hai, to bhI usamen-se kam hotA hI nahIn, utanAkA utanA rahatA hai. aisI dravyakI achintyatA hai. aisA hI koI dravyakA achintya pAriNAmik svabhAv hai. aur sAthamen apariNAmI hai ki jisamen-se kuchh kam nahIn hotA, pariName to bhI.

mumukShu- pramANake viShayakA dravya len to kathanchit kUTastha aur kathanchit pariNAmI kah sakate hain, parantu jo dhruvatva bhAv hai use bhI kathanchit kUTastha aur kathanchit pariNAmI kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- dRuShTi ek dravya par jAtI hai, usamen koI bhed nahIn paDatA hai. isaliye dRuShTikI apekShA-se to... dRuShTi jahAn jAy vahAn gnAn samyak hotA hai. dRuShTi aur gnAn donon sAthamen hI hote hain. akelI dRuShTi ho to dRuShTi samyak hotI hI nahIn. dRuShTi kA viShay hI aisA hai ki ek par dRuShTi kare. gnAnakA viShay aisA hai ki vah dononko jAne. parantu dRuShTi samyak tab hotI hai ki jab usake sAth gnAn ho to. gnAn dUsarA kAm kare aur dRuShTi dUsarA kAm kare, gnAn mithyA ho aur dRuShTi samyak ho aisA nahIn banatA.

pramANagnAnakA matalab vah koI jUThA nahIn hai. vah yathArtha gnAn hai. dRuShTikA viShay aisA hai. dRuShTi ek par hI hotI hai. parantu gnAn usake donon pahalUonkA vivek karatA hai. donon pahalUonkA vivek sAdhak dashAmen sAthamen hI hotA hai. sAdhak dashAmen dononkA vivek na ho to usakI sAdhak dashA hI jUThI hogI. ek par hI dRuShTi ho to usamen chAritradashA yA kevalagnAn yA kuchh nahIn hogA. dRuShTi-samyagdarshan jahAn huA vahAn sab pUrA ho jAyagA. abhI sAdhak dashA adhUrI hai. gnAn sab vivek karatA hai. dRuShTiko pUjanik kahanemen AtA hai.

pramANako pUjanik kahoge to ye sab chAritrakI paryAy, kevalagnAnakI paryAy koI pUjanik nahIn hogI. muktike mArgamen dRuShTi mukhya hai, isaliye use pUjanik (kahate hain). (kyonki) muktikA mArga usase prArambh hotA hai. ata use pUjanik (kahakar, gnAnako


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gauN) karanemen AtA hai. parantu vyavahAramen to kevalagnAnakI kaivalya dashA, vItarAg sarvagnadev (hain). sAdhak dashA jisane puruShArtha karake pragaT kI, vah sab pUjanik kahanemen AtA hai. muni dashA pUjanik kahanemen AtI hai. ata dRuShTi aur gnAn donon sAthamen hI hote hain. akelI dRuShTi ho aur gnAn yadi vivek na kare to vah dRuShTi jUThI ThaharegI.

dRuShTikA viShay aisA hai ki ek par, ekako viShay kare. aur gnAn sab vivek kare. aur dRuShTi binAkA gnAn bhI yathArtha nahIn hai. dRuShTi mukhya ho, parantu usake sAth gnAn ho to un dononkA sambandha hai. yadi akelA hogA to galat hogA. dRuShTimen kUTastha AyA isaliye vah sachchA aur gnAnamen kathanchit pariNAmI aur apariNAmI AyA, isaliye vah jUThA, aisA nahIn hai.

kUTastha to (isaliye kahate hain ki), dRuShTi muktike mArgamen mukhya hai isaliye. tUne anAdi kAl-se yah sachchA aur yah sachchA, yah bhI sachchA aur yah bhI sachchA, aisA kiyA aur yathArtha samajhA nahIn, isaliye us pramANako aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu dRuShTipUrvakakA jo pramANagnAn hai vah to yathArtha hai. dRuShTine viShay kiyA akhaNDakA, akhaNDakI dRuShTi binA muktikA mArga hotA nahIn. parantu sAthamen jo gnAn rahatA hai, vah dononkA- dravya aur paryAyakA vivek karatA hai. isaliye vah pramAN bhI yathArtha hai. usake pahalekA pramAN koI aisA kahatA ho ki nishchay sachchA aur vyavahAr bhI sachchA, aisA karatA ho to vah yathArtha nahIn hai. parantu dRuShTipUrvakakA gnAn hai vah yathArtha hai.

mumukShu- rAg-dveSh hote hain, vah na ho usakA upAy batAIye.

samAdhAna- rAg-dveSh na ho,.. pahale usakA bhedagnAn karanA paDatA hai. jabatak vah rAgakI dashAmen khaDA hai, usakI rAgakI ruchi kam ho jAnI chAhiye. merA vItarAgI svabhAv main jAnanevAlA hUn. ye rAg merA svarUp nahIn hai. aur chaitanyakA gnAyak svabhAv hai vah merA svabhAv hai. aise svabhAvako pahachAnakar rAgakI ruchi kam kare to vah manda hotA hai. bAkI usakA nAsh pahale nahIn hotA, pahale usakA bhedagnAn hotA hai ki ye rAg merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main usase bhinna jAnanevAlA, main vItarAgI svabhAv hUn. isaliye use bhinna karanekA prayatna kare. bhinna karanekA prayatna kare to vah manda hotA hai. pahale usakA bhedagnAn karanekA prayatna karanA ki main gnAyak hUn aur ye rAg-dveSh hain. usakI ekatvabuddhi toDanekA prayatna karanA.

mumukShu- dUsarA prashna hai ki svAdhyAy karane baiThe to thoDI der man pirotA hai, parantu bIchamen dUsare vikalpa Ate hain, to vah vikalpa na Aye usakA upAy kyA hai?

samAdhAna- use badalate rahanA bArambAr, vikalpa Aye use (badalakar) bArambAr svAdhyAyamen chitta lagAnA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye dUsare vikalpa A jAy to


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use bArambAr badalate rahanA. shrutake chintavanamen upayogako lagAnA. vichAramen lagAnA, usImen sthir na rahe to bhale hI shubhabhAvamen (rahe), vichArako badalate rahanA. usakA prayatna karanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye bIchamen A jAy to use badalate rahanA. badalanekA prayatna karanA ki yah merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main usase bhinna hUn. is prakAr bArambAr use badalate rahanA aur shAstrake adhyayanamen chitta lagAnA. ekamen hI sthir na rahe to gurudevake, jinendra devake, shrutake vichAronko badalate rahanA, ekamen chitta sthir na rahe to. dhyey ek (honA chAhiye ki) main shuddhAtmAko kaise pahachAnUn.

mumukShu- ulajhan miTanekA yah ek hI sthAn hai?

samAdhAna- gurudevane bahut mArga batAyA hai, parantu grahaN svayamko karanA paDatA hai. apUrva ruchi antaramen jAge aur gurudevane kahA vah Ashay grahaN ho to antaramen palaTA hue binA rahe nahIn. shAstramen AtA hai, tatprati prIti chitten, vArtApi hI shrutA. vah vArtA bhI apUrva rIt-se sunI ho. gurudevane jo vANImen (kahA), unakA jo Ashay thA (use grahaN kare) to vah bhAvi nirvAN bhAjan hai. parantu jo mumukShu ho use aise bhI santoSh nahIn hotA. main antaramen kaise Age baDhUn? jise ruchi jAgRut ho, use AtmA antaramen mile nahIn tabatak santoSh nahIn hotA. bhale vArtAkI apUrvatA lagI, parantu svayamko andar jo chAhiye vah prApta na ho tabatak mumukShuko santoSh nahIn hotA.

jisane gurudevako grahaN kiyA, unakA Ashay samajhA vah bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanan. parantu mumukShuko antaramen santoSh nahIn hotA. jabatak andar Atma svarUp jo santoShasvarUp hai, jo tRuptasvarUp hai, jisamen sab bharA hai, aisA chaitanyadev pragaT na ho tabatak use puruShArtha hotA nahIn, tabatak use shAnti nahIn hotA. aur karanekA vah ek hI hai. abhyAs usIkA karanA hai, bArambAr usakA abhyAs (karanA). manda paDe to bhI bArambAr usakA abhyAs karanA. bArambAr us taraph hI jAnA hai. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye us abhyAsamen jAy to bhI antaramen to svayamko hI palaTanA hai.

antarake abhyAsako baDhA de aur dUsare abhyAsako gauN kare to antaramen-se pragaT hue binA nahIn rahatA. bArambAr main gnAyakadev hUn, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv hI nahIn hai. aise antaramen yadi svayam jAy, bArambAr gnAyakadevakA abhyAs kare to gnAyakadev pragaT hue binA nahIn rahatA. usakA abhyAs bArambAr chhUT jAy, manda paD jAy to bhI bArambAr karatA rahe. anAdikA abhyAs hai, puruShArthakI mandatA-se usamen juD jAy to ekatvabuddhiko bArambAr toDatA rahe. main gnAyak hUn, aise bArambAr abhyAs karatA rahe. din aur rAt usIkA abhyAs, usake pIchhe paDe to vah pragaT hue binA nahIn rahatA.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!