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mumukShu- usamen to jIvako apanemen gnAn hai, astitva hai, aisA thoDA-thoDA khyAlamen AtA hai.

samAdhAna- dUsarA khyAlamen nahIn AtA, lekin use padArthakI gambhIratA bhAsit ho to Aye. shAstra (par), mahApuruShon par vishvAs rakhe. yah tattva hai vah koI apUrva ananta gambhIratAse bharA hai aur svayam vichAr kare, svayam use pakaD nahIn sakatA ho to usamen koI gambhIratA bharI hai, aise vichAr karake bhI svayamko gambhIratA bhAsit ho to Age baDhe. bhAsit ho aisA hI tattva hai.

usakA ek gnAnaguN aisA hai ki ek gnAnaguN hI jise kram nahIn paDatA, ek samayamen lokAlokako jAne. bhUtakAl, vartamAn aur bhaviShya usake dravya-guN-paryAy, aise ananta-ananta dravya, usakA bhUtakAl, vartamAnakAl aur bhaviShyakAl, jo ek samayamen jAnane vAlA gnAn koI agAdh hai. usakA pAr nahIn yA buddhise vichAr kare to use vichAramen baiTh sake. bAkI ek gnAnaguN hI aisA agAdh gambhIr hai.

mumukShu- baiThe phir bhI usakI agAdhatA use..

samAdhAna- usakI agAdhatA, gambhIratA, mahimA bhAse. ek samayamen lokAlok (jAne), aise ananta lokAlok ho to bhI gnAnamen utanI ananta shakti hai ke ek samayamen sab jAnane vAlA. jisamen kram nahIn paDatA, ek sAth ek samayamen (jAn letA hai). kShayopasham gnAnamen to ekakA vichAr kare, dUsarA bhUl jAye, aisA hotA hai. isamen to use sab pratyakSha (jAnanemen AtA hai), kuchh bhUlatA nahIn, pratyakSha dekhatA hai, jAnatA hai. isake sivA usake ananta guN use dikhAI nahIn dete, parantu amuk vichArase nakkI kare, bhale dikhAI nahIn de. amuk jo mahApuruShonne kahA use vichArase nakkI kare aur amuk vishvAsase nakkI kare.

astitva grahaN kare, in sabamen main kahIn nahIn hUn. apanA astitva, jo gnAyak astitva hai (use grahaN kare). pahale use sukhakA vedan nahIn AtA. gnAyakakA astitva grahaN kare. gnAnaguN aisA asAdhAraN hai ki gnAn gnAyakatAse main svayam gnAyak hUn, aisA grahaN hotA hai. lekin sukh AdikI use antaramen pratIt A jAtI hai. use anubhUti

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to bAdamen hotI hai, pahale use sab pratIt ho jAtI hai. aur vah pratIt hotI hai ki dRuDh pratIt (hotI hai) ki kisIse chalAyamAn nahIn ho, aisI pratIt pahale A jAtI hai. pariNatirUp bAdamen hotA hai, parantu pratIt AtI hai.

samAdhAna- .. aisA nakkI karake bArambAr usake vichAr kare ki main to bhinna hI hUn. ye vikalpa merA svarUp nahIn hai. aisA antaramen bArambAr usakA prayAs kare, usakI laganI lagAye. khAte-pIte, jAgate-sote, svapnamen usakI laganI hotI hai ki main to bhinna hUn. aisI laganI antarase laganI chAhiye, bArambAr main bhinna hUn. vah bhedagnAnakA prayAs (hai), yathArtha bhedagnAn, sachchA bhedagnAn bAdamen hotA hai, parantu pahale usakI laganI lagatI hai. tabatak vichAr kare, vAnchan kare, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Aye. gurudev kyA kahate the, bhagavAnane pUrNa svarUp prApta kiyA, guru kaise hote hain, gurukA kyA svarUp hotA hai, gurudevane kyA mArga batAyA hai, yah sab nakkI kare, shAstramen mArga kyA AtA hai, yah sab nakkI kare. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA kare, vah sab shubhabhAv hai, lekin pahale vah bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahate. AtmA-shuddhAtmA prApta nahIn ho tabatak bIchamen Ate hain. parantu dhyey use yah hotA hai ki mujhe shuddhAtmA prApta karanA hai. mujhe AtmA kaise prApta ho, antarase laganI laganI chAhiye. use khaTak rahA kare. jisakI svayamko ichchhA ho aur vah nahIn prApta hotA ho to kaise andar khaTak (rahatI hai), bAr-bAr yAd AtA hai. vaise use yAd Aye.

apanI mAn ho, to merI mAn. jahAn bhI jAye, koI pUchhe ki tU kaun hai? terA nAm kyA hai? bAlak samajhatA nahIn ho to bAlak, merI mAn, merI mAn bolatA hai. aise merI mAn, merI mAn, kaisA antaramen hotA hai? vaise mujhe AtmA kaise prApta ho? aisI laganI laganI chAhiye. usakA bArambAr prayAs kare, bhedagnAnakA abhyAs kare, bArambAr main bhinna hUn, main bhinna hUn, main bhinna hUn. mAtra vikalpa Upar-Uparase kare vah alag bAt hai, parantu antarase honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- AtmA to apane pAs hI hai.

samAdhAna- apane pAs hI hai. dRuShTAnta to aisA hI hotA hai na. AtmA apane pAs hai, parantu bhUl gayA hai. bichhaD gayA hUn, aisA use ho gayA hai. use aisA ho gayA hai, bhUl gayA hai. AtmA svayam hI hai, parantu main bichhaD gayA hUn. mAno AtmA kahInkA kahIn chalA gayA ho aur main bichhaD gayA hUn. sharIramen ekamek ho gayA hUn, gum ho gayA hai, aisA use ho gayA hai.

bakareke jhunDamen sinh A gayA. sinh bhUl gayA ki (main sinh hUn), mAno main bakarI hUn, aisA ho gayA hai. sinh bhUl gayA ki main kaun hUn? ye bakare bhinna aur merA lakShaN

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bhinna hai, vah bhUl gayA hai. isaprakAr svayam bhUl gayA hai. usamen sinhako koI kahane vAlA mile ki are..! tU is bakarIke jhunDamen sinh ho. lakShaNase pahachAn karavAye.

aise gurudev lakShaNase pahachAn karavAte haiain ki are..! tU to AtmA jAnane vAlA hai. yah sharIr tU nahIn hai. tU usase bhinna hai. tU dekh, andar jAnane vAlA AtmA hai. aise gurudev mArgakI pahachAn karavAte hain. us mArgako grahaN karanA chAhiye, bArambAr dRuDhatA karake. usake liye sab chhoD de yA aisA kuchh nahIn hai. andarakI ruchi laganI chAhiye. use antaramen ras kam ho jAye. ras kam ho jAye. bAharakA sab rahatA hai, bAhar sab karatA ho, lekin andar ras chhUT jAtA hai.

mumukShu- jIvako svayamse vichAr karanepar buddhipUrvak aisA vishvAs utpanna hotA hai...

samAdhAna- astitvako grahaN karanA. yah main hUn. merA jo svabhAv, us svabhAvakI pariNatirUp, svabhAvarUp pariNaman ho, usamen hI sab hai. utanA vishvAs, utanA santoSh use A jAtA hai. ruchi uTh jAtI hai.

mumukShu- bAharamen kahIn bhI nahIn milegA, aisA bhI use pakkA ho jAye.

samAdhAna- hAn, pakkA ho jAye, bAharamen kuchh nahIn milane vAlA nahIn hai. bAharase jo mAnyatA hai vah sab jUThI hai. bAharase sab parAdhIn hai. parAdhInatAmen kahIn sukh nahIn hai. sab bAharakA hai. sab vibhAvik hai, svAbhAvik nahIn hai. gnAn bAharase kahInse nahIn AtA hai, sukh bAharase kahInse nahIn AtA hai. sab apanemen bharA hai. use bojh lagatA nahIn, use yAd nahIn rakhanA paDatA. sab sahaj jAnatA hai.

gnAnaguN koI agAdh gambhIratAse bharA hai. svayam shAmil hokar, bhAvako apane svabhAvamense nakkI kar le. vichArarUpase sthUlarUpase hotA hai, Age baDhakar apane svabhAvake sAth milAn karake bhI pratIt AtI hai. vah bhAvabhAsanarUp (hai).

mumukShu- shAstrase aur gnAnIke vachanonse...

samAdhAna- shAstrase, gnAniyonke vachanonse, yuktike avalambanase. andar yuktike avalambanase. usakI yukti aisI hotI hai ki jo kahIn TUTe nahIn, aisI nirbAdh yuktise nakkI kare. svayam apane svabhAvake sAth milAn karake aise yuktise nakkI kare. svabhAv gnAnakA hai. jo andar AkUlatAkA vedan ho rahA hai aur is AkUlatAke sivA bhI andar akelA gnAn hai, usamen amuk nirAkUlatA hai, usamen sukh bhI (hai). amuk apane vedanase jo svayamko bhAvamen vedan ho rahA hai, apane svabhAvase milAn karake aisI yuktise nakkI kare. guruke vachanonkA avalamban, shAstravachanonkA avalamban letA hai.

mumukShu- .. Dor dravyake hAthamen hI hai aur dravyadRuShTi vAleko dRuShTike hAthamen Dor hai yAnI ki usIke avalambanase hI sabhI paryAyen hotI hai. yah bAt bahut sundar AyI,

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mAtAjI! usakA thoDA adhik vistAr karake..

samAdhAna- vah to sahaj aise A gayA. Dor to dravyadRuShTike hAthamen hI hai. paryAy svatantra pariNamatI hai, parantu use dravyakA AdhAr hai aur dravyadRuShTikA AdhAr hai. dRuShTike AdhAr binA paryAy svatantra (aise nahIn pariNamatI). jo vibhAvakI or jisakI dRuShTi hai, ekatvabuddhikI or, usakI sabhI paryAy vaise hI pariNamatI hai, vibhAvakI ora. aur jisakI dRuShTi svabhAvakI or gayI, jisakI dRuShTiko dravyakA avalamban huA, usakI sabhI paryAyen svabhAvakI or pariNamatI hai. isaliye dravyadRuShTi hai vahI puruShArthakI Dor usake hAth lagI hai. dravyadRuShTi-dravyakA dRuShTimen Alamban liyA, vahI usakA puruShArtha hai. vah puruShArtha aur phir use lInatAkA bhI puruShArtha hai. dRuShTikA bal hai aur lInatA bhI apanI or (hai). yAnI sabhI paryAy, dRuShTike Alambanase sabhI paryAy svabhAvakI or pariNamatI hain. amuk adhurApan hai, utanA vibhAv hotA hai. bAkI use dRuShTike Alambanase sabhI paryAyen hotI hain. usakI paryAyako kramabaddha kahate hain, lekin usake sAth puruShArtha sAthamen hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! ApakI charchAmen pAnch bAr sunI, Apane karIb 10-15 bAr...

samAdhAna- kahate the ki dRuShTi badal gayI, use hI kramabaddha lAgU paDatA hai. koI unhen pUchhate the to aisA kahate the, tU gnAyak ho jA. dRuShTike sAth kramabaddha A gayA. aisA kahate the. dRuShTikA AlambanakA kahate the usamen sAthamen puruShArtha A hI jAtA hai. gurudevane kartRutva chhuDAneko tU kartA nahIn hai, aisA kahate the. lekin tere puruShArthakI Dor to tere hAthamen hI hai. puruShArtha binAkA kramabaddha, aise akelA kramabaddha lenese AtmArthIko kuchh karanA nahIn (rahatA). AtmAkA prayojan jise usakI najar puruShArthakI or hI rahanI chAhiye. kramabaddha (anusAr) hotA hai aisA lenese AtmArthakA jo prayojan hai, mujhe AtmAkA karanA hai, usakI bhAvanA... (kramabaddha) par vajan detA rahe, use apanI or muDanA nahIn rahatA. kartAbuddhi chhuDAneko (kahate hain) tU kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. jaise paradravyake pariNAm tU badal nahIn sakatA aur antaramen tere puruShArthakI Dor pragaT huyI, paryAy pariNamati hai, aisA kahanA hai. svabhAvakI ora. dRuShTikI Dor usake hAthamen hI rahI hai. us prakArase paryAy pariNamatI hai.

mumukShu- Dor dravyake hAthamen hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, Dor dravyake hAthamen hai. jaise ThIk paDe vaise paryAy pariNamatI rahe, usamen main kyA karun? aisA usamen nahIn hai.

mumukShu- bahut sundar bAt AyI.

samAdhAna- dravyadRuShTike Alamban binA vah vaise nahIn pariNamatI. svabhAvakI or

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paryAy gayI, dravyadRuShTike (joramen) svabhAvakI or (gayI). anAdise pariNamatA hai, to bhI dravyake Alamban binA, dravyake binA paryAy pariNamatI hI nahIn. vah svatantra honeke bAvajUd dravyake Ashray binA paryAy pariNamatI nahIn.

mumuukShu- jab Apane Dor kahA, paryAyakI Dor dravyake hAthamen hai, yah bAt itanI sundar thI.

samAdhAna- pariNamanA chAhe vaisI hI paryAy pariNamatI hai. usakI Dor usake hAthamen hI hai. dravya hI nishchayase svatantra hai, parantu paryAy bhI ek ansh hai na, vah pariNamatA rahatA hai. paryAy pariNamatI rahatI hai isaliye us apekShAse use svatantra kahA. lekin paryAy aisI svatantra nahIn hai ki dravyake AdhAr binA, dravyake Dor binA, apaneAp jaise ThIk paDe vaise pariNaman kare. aisI svatantratA use nahIn hai. lekin vah ek ansh hai aur paryAy ekake bAd ek, ekake bAd pariNamatI rahatI hai, isaliye paryAyako us apekShAse svatantra kahanemen AtI hai.

mumukShu- vAstavikatAse to dravya svatantra hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vAstavikatAse dravya svatantra hai.

mumukShu- paryAy aur dravyakA, dononkA astipanA batAnA ho to itanA bhed karake..

samAdhAna- hAn, utanA bhed (hotA hai ki) paryAy svatantra hai. gnAnaguN ho to gnAnamense gnAnakI paryAy AtI hai, darshanamense darshanakI, chAritramense chAritrakI. chAritraguNamense chAritrakI paryAy AtI hai. aise jisakA jo svabhAv hai us rUp paryAy pariNamatI hai, isaprakAr paryAy bhI ek svatantra pariNamatI hai. lekin usakI Dor dravyake hAthamen hai.

mumukShu- palaTatI hai usamen main gnAyak hUn, isaprakAr pariNAmako palaTatA hai, to usamen koI kartRutva AtA hai?

samAdhAna- kartRutva nahIn AtA hai, svayam gnAyak hai. usamen paryAy palaTatI hai. kartAbuddhi nahIn honI chAhiye. bAkI pariNaman, svayam pariNamatA hai. vah bhI ek prakArakI usakI kriyA hotI hai. paryAyakI bhI kriyA hotI hai.

mumukShu- vahAn kartAbuddhi nahIn hai, parantu svayam karatA hai isaliye us apekShAse svayam kartA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, kartA, kriyA, karma. dravyako kartA kahanemen AtA hai. lekin vah paryAy bhI pariNamatI hai svatantra, isaliye paryAyakA kartA paryAy aisA (kahate hain). parantu paryAy aisI svatantra nahIn hai ki dravyake Ashray binA, dravyakI Dor binA pariName. aisI svatantratA paryAyamen nahIn hai. (chAhe jaise) paryAy pariNamatI rahe aisA nahIn hai.

jo jignAsu AtmArthI ho, use svayamkI bhAvanA anusAr kuchh hove hI nahIn, aisA

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artha ho gayA. paryAy svatantra pariNamatI hai, ab main kyA karun? aisA hI hone vAlA thA. aise nahIn. bhAvanA, usakI jignAsA Adi paryAy aisI pariNamatI hai. Upar-Upar nahIn pariNamatI. gnAyak ho gayA, jo sAdhakakI or muD gayA, usakI to sabhI paryAy sAdhanAkI or muDatI hai. amuk bAdhak ansh gauN hai, lekin sAdhanAkI or usakI paryAy hotI hai.

mumukShu- usakA kramabaddha achchhA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, usakA kramabaddha hai. binA puruShArtha dRuShTi hI nahIn hai. kramabaddha hI hai, kyA karun? aisA karatA hai usakA kramabaddha (achchhA nahIn hai). jise puruShArthakI koI bhAvanA nahIn hai, bachAv kare ki kramabaddha hai, kyA karun? to usakA kramabaddha vaisA hai. puruShArtha honevAlA hogA, vah ye sUchit karatA hai, puruShArtha yAnI main kuchh karun. kuchh bal, koI parAkram karun, puruShArthamen vaisI dhvani aur aisA bhAv rahA hai. phir puruShArtha honevAlA hogA, usakA koI artha nahIn hai. vah to ek vastusthiti batAyI. terI bhAvanAmen to main mere puruShArthase, balase badalUn, isaprakAr terI bhAvanAmen to aise hI AnA chAhiye. bhAvanA badalUn, main palaTun, jo ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai use badalUn. terI bhAvanAmen aisA AnA chAhiye ki main puruShArtha karun. to usake sAth kramabaddha juDA hI hai. un sabamen puruShArtha mukhya hai. kramabaddha, svabhAv, kAlalabdhi sabamen puruShArtha (hotA hai).

AtmArthIko, jise mokSha pragaT karanA hai, sukh pragaT karanA hai, AtmAkI svAnubhUti pragaT karanI hai, usakA vajan puruShArthakI or AnA chAhiye. to vah sAdhanAkI or muD sakatA hai. vastuko jAne ki main kisIkA kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. lekin main merI bhAvanA kar sakatA hUn. main mere dravyako pahachAnakar dravyakI or muD sakatA hUn, usamen main svatantra hUn.

AtmAmen kartAbuddhi chhuDAnekA unakA prayojan thA. tujhe dravyadRuShTi pragaT huyI to sab kramabaddha hotA hai. tU usakA kartA mat ban, gnAtA ho jA. aisA kahanA thA. dUsarA koI pUchhe to aisA hI kahate the, tujhe kramabaddha hI nahIn hai. tujhe gnAyakakI dRuShTi pragaT nahIn huyI. jo gnAtA huA use hI kramabaddha hai, aisA kahate the. aur koI kAlalabdhikA kuchh kahe to gurudevako vah pasanda nahIn thA, ye kAlalabdhikI bAt karatA hai, aisA kahate the.

jitane bhav bhagavAnane dekhe honge utane honge. gurudevako pasanda nahIn thA. sampradAyamen vah bAt unhen baiThatI hI nahIn thI. jitane bhav honevAle honge, aise puruShArtha rokanevAlI bAt nahIn karanI, aisA kahate the. isamen unakA kahanekA Ashay alag thA. kartAbuddhi chhuDAneko aur gnAyakatA pragaT karane hetu.

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mumukShu- sundar, ApakI shailImen bahut sundar rUpase bAt kI.

samAdhAna- dravyake hAthamen Dor hai. paryAy svatantra hai, parantu DorI dravyake hAthamen hai. (naukar) dukAnamen kAm karatA ho, seThake hAthamen DorI hai. vah sab to bhinna-bhinna dravya hai. sab Dor mAlikake hAthamen, rAjAke hAthamen hotI hai. isaprakAr dravyake hAthamen Dor hai. vah sab to bhinna-bhinna dravya hai. ye to paryAy apanI aur dravya svayam ek hI vastu hai.