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mumukShu- bhinna paDane par jo vishvAs Aye ki aisA gnAyak main hUn, vahAn thoDI dikkat hotI hai.

samAdhAna- ekatva ho rahA hai, isaliye aisA khyAlamen AtA hai. parantu andar main gnAyak jAnane vAlA hUn, gneyako jAnane vAlA aise nahIn, rAg mishrit main nahIn, parantu akelA gnAyak jo jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn, andar gaharAImen Utarakar nij svabhAvako lakShyamen le to le sake aisA hai. bAkI vaise lakShyamen lene jAye ki jAnane vAlA main, parako jAne vah main athavA rAgako jAne vah main, rAg mishrit gnAn main, vah to use sthUlatAse pakaDamen AtA hai. andar gaharAImen jAkar grahaN kare, aisI andarakI jignAsA, aisI laganI ho ki main kaun hUn? ye sab ho rahA hai, usamen main kaun hUn? svayam svayamke svabhAvako lakShyamen lekar bhinna hokar grahaN karanA chAhe to kar sake aisA hai. lekin andar gaharAImen Utare, utanI lagan laganI chAhiye, utanI jignAsA (honI chAhiye) ki main kaun hUn? mujhe kaise grahaN ho? to svayam svayamko grahaN kiye binA rahatA nahIn. svayam hI hai. sthUlatAse rAg mishrit grahaN hotA hai. lakShaNako bhinna karake lakShaN svayam pahachAn sake aisA hai.

mumukShu- anumAn gnAnase vichAr karate hain tab to khyAlamen AtA hai ki ye jAnatA hai kaun? jAnatA hai vah AtmA hai, vah gnAyak hai aur vah tU hai. aise anumAnase (hotA hai). lekin jab svasanmukh hokar lakShaNako khyAlamen lenekA prayatna karate hain, kyonki lakShaNase lakShyako pakaDanA hai, ab lakShaN hI bhinna nahIn paDe aur rAg mishrit khyAlamen Aye yA gney mishrit khyAlamen Aye ki yah jAnane vAlA main hUn, isaprakAr usamen sthApanA kaise karanI?

samAdhAna- svayamko andar laganI lage to vah svayam apanI sthApanA kar sakatA hai aur bhinna paD sakatA hai. lekin svayam bhinna hI nahIn paDatA. vikalpase aisA karane jAye to rAg mishrit use khyAlamen AtA hai. lekin andarase svayam bhinna hokar grahaN karanA chAhe to kar sake aisA hai. parantu utanA antaramen svayamko andar laganA chAhiye. gaharAImen Utarakar grahaN karanA chAhiye, to hotA hai.

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main-panA, main.. main.. main jo ho rahA hai, vah main kaun hUn? main jAnane vAlA hUn. aise vikalpase main jAnane vAlA, aise nahIn, parantu merA astitva jo hai, astitva hai vahI main hUn. jis astitvamen rAg nahIn hai, jis astitvamen vikalpa nahIn hai, jis astitvamen... us lakShaNase vikalpase pahachAne ki ye jAnane vAlA main hUn, parantu merA jo astitva main hUn, rAg binAkA, vikalpa binAkA, mAtra akelA jAnane vAlA chaitanya vahI main hUn, isaprakAr svayam svayamko, jise lagI ho vah grahaN kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- gaharAIse, vah utanA gaharAImen Utare to ApakA aisA kahanA hai ki vah gnAn lakShaN bhinna hokar use khyAlamen Aye?

samAdhAna- bhinna hokar andar grahaN kar sakatA hai. rAg hone par bhI svayam andar bhinna hokar svayam svayamko grahaN kar sakatA hai. andar svAnubhUtimen sthir hotA hai vah alag bAt hai, lekin lakShaNase pratIt dvArA bhI vah pahachAn sakatA hai. UtanA gaharAImen jAye, utanI laganI lage, andar use grahaN kiye binA chain nahIn paDe, utanA use lage to svayam andarase grahaN ho sakatA hai. vikalpa nahIn, rAg nahIn, bAharase jAne vah main nahIn, main to main jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn, isaprakAr svayam jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn. koI anyake Ashrayase, dUsareko jAnatA hUn isaliye jAnane vAlA hUn (aise nahIn), main svayam hI jAnane vAlA hUn. isaprakAr svayam svayamko grahaN kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- Ap kahate ho tab vichArase nakkI hotA hai ki vikalpa binAkA anAdikA aisA main gnAyak hUn, vah vichAramen to barAbar AtA hai, parantu jab vAstavamen use andarase grahaN karanekA prayatna karate hain tab, lakShaN hI bhinna nahIn paDatA hai, ki jisake dvArA andar (lakShyako grahaN kar sake).

samAdhAna- .. vahI main hUn, yah merA astitva-chaitanya astitva hai vahI main hUn, ye sab kuchh main nahIn hUn. ye sab rAg, vikalpa Adi jAnanemen Ate hain vah merA svarUp nahIn hai. main akelA jAnane vAlA, svayam jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn. isaprakAr svayam svayamko grahaN kar sakatA hai. sthUlatAse aise grahaN hotA hai ki ye jAnatA hai vah main. ye jAnA, vah jAnA, rAgako jAnA, vikalpa hote hain usamen jo jAnane vAlA hai vah main hUn. bIchamen vikalpa, rAgAdi Aye, lekin main vah nahIn, main akelA usase rahit main hUn. mAtra vikalpase nahIn, lekin main svayam jAnane vAlA hI hUn.

mumukShu- Ap kahate ho parantu abhI khyAlamen utanA AtA hai ki rAg hai, vRuttikA utthAn hotA hai vah rAg hai, itanA khyAlamen AtA hai, parantu jAnapanA, jAnapanA anumAnamen lete hain to khyAlamen AtA hai ki jAnapanA yAnI svaparaprakAshakapanA mAtra. aisI trikAl sAmarthyarUp pUrNa vastu ki jisamen dUsare ananta guN rahe hain, vahI main hUn. lekin usase

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Age gnAnamen vah lakShaN-vah bhAv sthir rahe, aisA nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- .. hotA hai isaliye TikatA nahIn. mAtra vikalpase grahaN hotA hai isaliye vah TikatA nahIn. bArambAr vichAr kare tab use khyAlamen AtA hai. vah sthUl hai. andar jo jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn, aise andarase grahaN honA chAhiye. merA astitva, yahI main hUn. laganI lage to vah grahaN ho aisA hai. phir Tike kitanA vah usake puruShArtha anusAr (hotA hai), parantu vah andarase grahaN ho sake aisA hai. vikalpa, rAgAdi ho to bhI vah gauN hokar, yah jAnane vAlA main hUn, aise grahaN ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShu- Ap kahate ho vah khyAlamen AtA hai ki, gnAyakakA astitva tU grahaN kar aur vah terA astitva..

samAdhAna- ... lakShaN bhinna nahIn hai. vah svayam hI hai. lakShaN aur lakShya donon ek hI hai, donon bhinna-bhinna nahIn hai. jisakA lakShaN hai vah svayam hI hai. dravya svayam hI hai, vah lakShaN dravyakA hI hai. lakShaN aur lakShya donon ek hI hai, donon alag nahIn hai. mAtra guNabhed hotA hai. grahaN jo hotA hai vahI vastu hai. vastu svayam us lakShaNase bhinna nahIn hai. donon abhed hI hai. ... aisA kram nahIn paDatA ki yah lakShaN, yah lakShya. aisA bhed nahIn paDatA. jo lakShaNako pahachAnane jAtA hai, vah svayam lakShyako pahachAnatA hai. usamen bhed nahIn paDatA. jo yathArtharUpase lakShaNako pahachAnatA hai, use lakShya- lakShaNakA bhed nahIn paDatA. yah lakShaN hai vahI mere dravyakA svanyakA hai. use sAthamen grahaN hotA hai.

guNabhed to ek... usamen ananta guN hai, us apekShAse guNabhed hotA hai. ki ye gnAn jAnanekA lakShaN, AnandakA Ananda lakShaN, aise lakShaN bhinna paDate hain. lekin gnAnalakShaN asAdhAraN hai. pUrNa gnAyak, jAnane vAlA chAron orase jAnane vAlA hI hai. vah jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn, dravya aur guN donon guNabhedase bhinna paDate hain, vastubhedase bhinna nahIn hai. isamen to use vastu grahaN karanI hai. isaliye jo lakShaNako grahaN karane jAye usakA dhyey to vastuko grahaN karanekA hai. jo lakShaN grahaN karatA hai, vah lakShyako sAthamen grahaN karatA hai. yathArtharUpase ho to.

mumukShu- Apako aisA kahanA hai ki, jise tIvra lagan lagI, vah lakShaN pakaDane jAtA hai vahAn pUrA lakShya hI grahaN ho jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, yathArtha lakShaN grahaN kare to lakShya grahaN ho jAtA hai. andar usakA dhyey yah hai ki mujhe pUrNa dravya grahaN karanA hai. mAtra lakShaN grahaN karanekA usakA dhyey nahIn hai. gnAn hai vah asAdhAraN lakShaN hai.

mumukShu- Apako aisA kahanA hai ki lakShaN grahaN ho to lakShya sIdhA ek

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sAth hI grahaN ho jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- ek sAth grahaN ho jAtA hai. sthUl hai isaliye use... vAstavik bhed nahIn hai. sangnA bhed hai, kArya bhed hai, aisA hai. AnandakA kArya, jAnanekA kArya, aise hai. vastu bhed nahIn hai.

..yathArthapane yadi lakShaN grahaN ho to lakShya aur lakShaN donon sAthamen hI grahaN ho jAte hain. jo pahale sIdhA dravyako nahIn pahachAnatA hai use aisA kahanemen AtA hai, tU lakShaN dvArA lakShyako pahachAna. kaise pahachAnanA? aisA kahe to jAnane vAlekA lakShaN dikhatA hai, vah jAnane vAlA hai vahI main hUn. us lakShaN dvArA lakShyako pahachAn le, aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu vah lakShaN yathArthapane pahachAne use khaDA nahIn rahanA paDatA ki yah lakShaN aur yah lakShya. aise use bhinna karake grahaN nahIn karanA paDatA. lakShaN grahaN kare usake sAth hI use lakShya grahaN ho jAtA hai. yathArthapane lakShaN grahaN kare to usakA lakShya dravya sAthamen hI grahaN ho jAtA hai. pahale lakShaN grahaN kare, phir dravya grahaN kare, vah sab to sthUlatAmen jAtA hai.

yathArthapane lakShaN grahaN kare, lakShaNake sAth lakShya grahaN hotA hai. vah bhinna-bhinna sthAnamen nahIn rahate. jahAn lakShaN hai, vahIn lakShya hai aur jo lakShya hai, vahI lakShaN hai. lakShya aur lakShaN donon ekasAth hai. donon sAthamen grahaN hote hain.

samAdhAna- vah bhAv bIchamen hote hain. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Adi hote hain. andar AtmA to sabase bhinna, usakA svabhAv bhinna hai, use pahachAnanA. sachchA to vahI hai, gurudevane batAyA hai, bhedagnAn karanA.

mumukShu- bhUtArtha bhAv hI, jisakI dRuShTi karake, jo samyagdRuShTiko gochar hai,..

samAdhAna- pAriNAmikabhAv na?

mumukShu- hAn, pAriNAmikabhAva. samAdhana- vah bhAv hai. usakI dRuShTi karake yAnI dravya par dRuShTi AtI hai. pAriNAmik bhAv hai usamen koI bhed nahIn paDatA. udayabhAv, upashamabhAv sab apekShit hai, yah nirapekSha bhAv hai. pAriNAmikabhAvamenn koI apekShA nahIn hai. vah AtmAkA sahaj svarUp hai. vah bhAv hai. isaliye ek bhAv par dRuShTi rakhanI aisA usakA Ashay nahIn hai. usamen Ashay pUrNa dravya par dRuShTi karanekA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvakA artha yah hai.

pAriNAmik bhAvase, pratyek dravya paramapAriNAmikabhAv svarUp hai. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. jo dravyakA sahaj svarUp hai, us sahaj svarUpase dravya hai. sahaj svarUparUp hI rahatA hai. usake gnAn, darshan, chAritra sab sahajarUp yAnI dravyarUp hI hai. yAnI usamen koI bhed nahIn hai. dRuShTi rakhanI yAnI ek bhAv par dRuShTi karanI, aisA nahIn hai.

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usamen pUrA dravya A jAtA hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanese usamen pAriNAmikabhAv samA jAtA hai.

mumukShu- pAriNAmikabhAv.. donon ekArtha hai aisA nahIn kah sakate?

samAdhAna- ek artha hai aisA nahIn, parantu us pAriNAmikabhAvamen dravya hI A jAtA hai. pUrNa dravya usamen A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- kShAyik paryAy athavA kevalagnAnakI paryAy bAhar rah jAtI hai, to phir pIchhe dravyakI koI ..

samAdhAna- kShAyikabhAv to paryAy hai na, dravya to anAdiananta hai. kShAyikabhAv bAdamen pragaT hotA hai, vah anAdiananta nahIn hai. isaliye usamen pAriNAmikabhAv to anAdiananta hai. isaliye dravya par dRuShTi karanepar usamen pAriNAmikabhAv A jAtA hai. usamen kShAyikabhAv to sAdiananta hotA hai.

mumukShu- kevalagnAnakI paryAy bhI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- kevalagnAnakI paryAy nahIn hai. kevalagnAnakI shakti hai.

mumukShu- shakti hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, shakti hai, paryAy nahIn hai. pariNamanarUp paryAy nahIn hai, shakti hai. sab pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hai. sahaj AtmA sahaj gnAnasvarUp hai, sahaj darshanasvarUp hai, sahaj chAritrasvarUp hai. lekin vah chAritra yAnI kaun-sA chAritra? pUrNa pragaT chAritra, vah chAritra nahIn. sahaj chAritra jo svAbhAvik sahaj shaktirUp hai, vah sab usamen A jAtA hai. sahaj darshan, sahaj gnAn, sahaj chAritra, sahaj balasvarUp Adi sab sahaj hai. vah pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hai. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. usamen pUrNa gnAyak A jAtA hai. dravya par dRuShTi kI usamen pAriNAmikabhAv A jAtA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvako grahaN karanA athavA dravyako grahaN karanA, donon ek svarUp hI hai. chhahon dravyamen. parantu pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. dravya jaise anAdiananta hai, vaise pAriNAmikabhAv dravyamen anAdiananta hai. bAkI udayabhAv Adi sab apekShit hai. kShAyikabhAv, upashamabhAv, kShayopashamabhAv Adi.

mumukShu- dravyako pAriNAmikabhAvako kathanchit bhed kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- guN-guNIkA bhed kah sakate hain. koI apekShAse guN-guNI bhed kah sakate hain.

mumukShu- pAriNAmikabhAvako guN kahate hain?

samAdhAna- pAriNAmikabhAvako guN kahate hain, hAn, guN kahate hain.

mumukShu- guNonkA samUh hai?

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samAdhAna- guN-guN kahate hain. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai, isaliye guN hai. vah paryAy nahIn hai.

mumukShu- jab dRuShTi AtmA par jAtI hai, tab Ashray kiyA aisA kahanemen AtA hai. parantu kevalagnAn hone par Ashray chhUT jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- dRuShTine AtmAkA Ashray liyA. dravya par dRuShTi gayI, vah dRuShTi vahAn shAshvat sahaj ho jAtI hai. pahale use sahaj nahIn hotA, puruShArtha karake dRuShTi pragaT kI. jo dRuShTi pragaT huyI, (vah) dRuShTi shAshvat rahatI hai. kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai tab Ashray nahIn hotA, vikalpayukta Ashray nahIn hotA, kevalagnAnIko. use to sahaj pariNaman hotA hai. Ashray chhUT gayA yAnI use vikalpa chhUT gaye. bAkI jo pariNati svayamkI or muDI so muDI, vah to shAshvat hai. svayamkI or muD gayI, gnAyakamen pariNati (gayI), gnAyakako lakShyamen liyA, gnAyak par jo dRuShTi thambh gayI vah sahaj hai. Ashray yAnI use bojh nahIn hai. vikalpakA bojh chhUT gayA. dRuShTi to sahaj hai. dRuShTi to sahaj sadAke liye hai. dRuShTi, gnAn, kevalagnAn honepar gnAn pUrNa ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- kevalagnAn honepar Ashray chhUT nahIn jAtA.

samAdhAna- vikalpa chhUT jAte hain, Ashray to... usane dishA badalI, dRuShTi bAhar thI, andar gayI. dishA badal dI. lakShyamen liyA, AtmAkI or pariNati gayI vah sadA rah gayI. apanI pariNati gayI, svayamkA Ashray liyA, vikalpa chhUT gaye isaliye nirvikalpa dashA shAshvat rah gayI. dRuShTi shAshvat aur gnAn jaisA thA vaisA pUrNa nirmal ho gayA. sab shAshvat pariNatirUp ho gayA. vikalpakI upAdhi chhUT gayI. nirupAdhi sahaj ho gayA. darshan, gnAn, chAritra jo AtmAmen pragaT hue vah sAdhanArUp the, vah pUrNa sahajarUp ho gaye.