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mumukShu- namaskAr mantra bolate hain yA jab dhyAn karate hain, us vakta vAstavamen to aisA vichAr karanA chAhiye ki bhagavAnakA svarUp kaisA hai, unako main namaskAr karatA hUn? nav namaskAr mantra bolate samay athavA ... bolate samay, ek-do bAr aisA khyAl AtA hai, bAkI sab to aise chalA jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- shabda bol letA hai. shubhabhAv-se bhagavAn... Namo arahantANan, bhagavAnako namaskAr karatA hUn, siddha bhagavAnako namaskAr karatA hUn. parantu bhagavAn kaun aur..

mumukShu- vah sab har vakta AnA chAhiye?

samAdhAna- har samay AnA chAhiye aisA nahIn parantu vichAr-se samajhanA chAhiye ki bhagavAn kise kahate hain? siddha bhagavAn, AchArya bhagavAn, upAdhyAy bhagavAn, sAdhu bhagavAna. jo sAdhanA kare so sAdhu. AchArya chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hain, siddha bhagavAnane pUrNa svarUp prApta kiyA, bhagavAnane kevalagnAn prApta kiyA. usakA svarUp to samajhanA chAhiye.

har bAr vichAr Aye aisA nahIn, parantuu usakA svarUp samajhamen to lenA chAhiye na. to use sahajapane khyAl Ave, Namo arahantANan, Namo siddhANan yAnI bhagavAn kaise hai, vah sahaj use khyAlamen Aye ki bhagavAn aise hote haiain. aisA vichAr-se samajhA ho to.

oghe oghe nahIn samajhakar, vichArapUrvak samajhe ki bhagavAn kise kahate hain. har bAr bolate samay vichAr karatA rahe aisA nahIn, parantu unakA svarUp to svayamko samajh lenA chAhiye. har bAr ekadam bole, parantu svarUp to khyAlamen lenA chAhiye. har bAr vichAr kare aisA nahIn.

andar pUrNa svarUpamen jam gaye hain. sahaj svarUpamen lokAlokako jAnane nahIn jAte, sahaj gnAt ho jAtA hai. aisI koI gnAnakI apUrva shakti, AtmAkI apUrva shakti pragaT huyI hai. bhagavAnakA svarUp vichAr karake jAne. ananta Ananda, ananta gnAn, ananta darshan, chAritra ananta bhagavAnako pragaT huA.

(AtmAkA svarUp) aisA bhagavAnakA, bhagavAnakA svarUp aisA AtmAkA svarUp

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hai. siddha bhagavAn to pUrNa ho gaye. AchArya bhagavAn to sAdhanA (karate hue) chhaThaven- sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hain, ve sab munirAj (hain).

... aisA kuchh nahIn hai. ek jAtakI andar bhAvanA hai, us jAtakI pariNati, ek jAtakA abhyAs hokar andar bhAvanA rahatI hai svayamko ki ...

mumukShu- .. aur puruShArthako koI sambandha hai?

samAdhAna- vyavahAr-se sambandha kahanemen Aye. aisA kahanemen Aye ki pUrvake sanskArIko puruShArtha jaldI uThatA hai. aise vyavahAr sambandha kahanemen AtA hai. bAkI to vartamAn puruShArtha kare tab hotA hai. bahutonko sanskAr ho to bhI puruShArtha to vartamAnamen hI karanA paDatA hai. puruShArtha kare tab sanskArako kAraN kahanemen AtA hai.

pUrvamen jo koI sanskAr DAle ho, usakI yogyatA paDI ho. phir vartamAnamen svayam puruShArtha kare to use kAraN hotA hai. puruShArtha na kare to kAraN nahIn hotA. vartamAn puruShArtha to nayA hI karanA paDatA hai.

mumukShu- sanskAr DAlane-se use kyA lAbh huA? ek jIv sanskAr botA hai aur ek jIv sanskAr botA hai, usamen use yadi puruShArtha-se hI prApta hotA ho to...?

samAdhAna- sanskAr use puruShArtha utpanna honekA kAraN banatA hai. vah lAbh hai. lekin use kAraN kab kahen? ki kArya Ave to. yathArtha rIt-se andar vah kArya ho to kArya Ave aur puruShArtha utpanna ho. parantu vah kAraN andar yathArtha honA chAhiye. yathArtha rIt-se ho to puruShArtha utpanna hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai.

puruShArtha utpanna ho vah puruShArtha svatantra hai aur sanskAr bhI svatantra hai. puruShArtha utpanna ho to use kAraN kahanemen Aye. use kAraN banatA hai, isaliye tU sanskAr DAl, (aisA kahate haiain). vah kahIn puruShArtha utpanna nahIn karavA detA. svayam puruShArtha kare to use kAraN hotA hai.

mumukShu- aisA bhI AtA hai ki joradAr sanskAr paDe honge to is bhavamen kArya nahIn hogA to dUsare bhavamen kArya hue binA nahIn rahegA.

samAdhAna- yathArtha kAraN ho to kArya AtA hI hai. aise. kAraN kaisA, vah svayamko samajhanA hai. kAraN yathArtha ho to kArya AtA hI hai. to puruShArtha utpanna hogA hI. kAraN terA yathArtha hogA to bhaviShyamen puruShArtha utpanna hogA. parantu puruShArtha utpanna karanevAleko aisI bhAvanA honI chAhiye ki main puruShArtha utpanna karun. mujhe sanskAr honge to puruShArtha utpanna hogA, aisI yadi bhAvanA rahatI ho to puruShArtha utpanna nahIn hotA. puruShArtha utpanna karanevAleko to aisA hI honA chAhiye ki main puruShArtha karun. to use vah kAraN banatA hai. puruShArtha karanevAleko to aisI hI bhAvanA rahanI chAhiye ki main

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puruShArtha karun. mujhe sanskAr honge to apaneAp utpanna hogA, aisI bhAvanA nahIn honI chAhiye.

usake sanskAr yathArtha kAraNarUp hon to use puruShArtha utpanna hotA hI hai. aisA ek sambandha hotA hai. parantu puruShArtha karanevAleko aisA nahIn honA chAhiye ki mujhe sanskAr honge to puruShArtha utpanna hogA. yadi aisI bhAvanA ho to puruShArtha utpanna hI nahIn hotA. bhAvanA aisI honI chAhiye ki main prayatna karun. main aisA karun, aise svayamko bhAvanA rahe to kAraN-kAryakA sambandha hotA hai. svayamko aisI bhAvanA honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- (is bhavamen) AtmAkA anubhav na ho to sanskAr lekar to jAyenge. tab aisA lagatA hai ki sanskAr aur puruShArthakI ek jAt ho, aisA lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- ek jAt nahIn hai. prayatnamen use bahut ulajhan hotI ho, prayatna chalatA nahIn ho.. pahale to aisA hotA hai ki tU Akhir tak pahunch jA. aisA terA prayatna chalatA ho to tU prayatna kara. parantu nahIn hotA to tU sanskAr to DAla. parantu sanskAr yAnI puruShArthakA sab kArya sanskAramen A nahIn jAtA.

yadi tU pratikramaN kar sakatA hai to dhyAnamay karanA. na kar sake to shraddhA karanA. aise. tujh-se ban sake to Akhir tak dhyAn karake kevalagnAn paryant, munidashA aur kevalagnAn pragaT karanA. parantu yadi nahIn hotA hai to tU shraddhA kar, samyagdarshan prApta kara. parantu samyagdarshan paryant pahunch na sake to usakI ruchi, bhAvanA aur sanskAr karanA. parantu karanekA dhyey to, apanA prayatna utpanna ho to pUrA karanA.

AchArya kahate hain ki, tujh-se ban sake to pUrNa karanA. na ban sake aur tujhe ulajhan hotI ho to tU itanA to karanA. antata tU ruchikA bIj to aisA bonA ki jo ruchi tujhe kAraNarUp ho. aisI ruchi to karanA, na ban sake to. usamen ruchimen sab A nahIn jAtA. terI andar aisI gaharI bhAvanA hogI to bhaviShyamen tujhe aisI bhAvanA andar-se utpanna hogI aur tujhe puruShArtha bananekA (kAraN hogA).

parantu vahAn bhI tujhe aisA hI honA chAhiye ki main puruShArtha karun. vahAn bhI aisA hI hotA hai ki bhAvanA utpanna ho to puruShArtha karun, andar jAUn. abhI na hotA ho to abhyAs karanA. usakI dRuDhatA karanA. bArambAr usakA gholan karanA. main gnAyak hUn. main yah nahIn hUn. ye vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. merA svabhAv bhinna hai. bArambAr use tU dRuDh karanA. terI dRuDhatA hogI to tujhe bhaviShyamen, andar vah dRuDhatA hogI to tujhe sphUrit ho jAyagI, to tujhe puruShArtha honekA kAraN banegI. usamen sab A nahIn jAtA.

mumuukShu- .. nimitta rUp-se sanskArako lenA? samAdhAna- nimitta rUp-se.

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mumukShu- sanskArako nirarthak karanevAlA hai,..

samAdhAna- vah apekShA alag hai. dravya-se nirarthak karanevAlA hai. sanskAr sArthak kare, dravya apekShA-se sanskAr nirarthak hai. vastumen vah nahIn hai. mUl svabhAv... paryAyakI bAt hai. paryAy palaT jAtI hai, parantu vyavahAr yAnI kuchh nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- tU puruShArtha-se kAm kare to sanskArako nimitta kahen. ...

samAdhAna- nigodamen-se nikalakar turanta vah hote hain aur phir manuShya banakar turanta... usamen sanskAr kahAn the? terA svabhAv gnAyak hai, vahI terA sanskAr hai. terA svabhAv hai vaha. terA svabhAv hI gnAyakarUp rahanekA hai. to gnAnasvabhAvI hai, vah terA gnAnasvabhAv hI tujhe terI pariNati hI ... tujhe yadi antaramen-se aisA hogA to terA svabhAv hai vah svabhAv hI sanskArarUp hai.

tU chetanatA-se bharA hai, kahIn jaD terA svabhAv nahIn hai. chetan taraph terI pariNati, chetanadravya hai vah terI pariNati, use terI or khInchegI. terA svabhAv hai. dravya hI paryAyako pragaT honekA kAraN banatA hai. dravya par dRuShTi gayI. terI paryAy yathArtha samyakarUp pariNamit ho jAyegI. terA svabhAv hI samyakarUp hai. yathArtha gnAnasvabhAv hai. vah svabhAv hI usakA kAraN hai. sIdhI tarah-se dravya hI usakA kAraN banatA hai.

sanskAr ek pariNati hai. pariNati usakA kAraN ho, vah vyavahAr huA. dravya hI usakA mUl kAraN, dravya hI kAraN hai. nishchay-se terA mUl svabhAv gnAyak hI hai, vah svabhAv hI usakA kAraN banatA hai. nigodamen-se nikalatA hai, vah usakA svabhav hai. vah svabhAv nahIn hai, main to yah chaitanya hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. svabhAv par dRuShTi gayI, vahAn pariNati palaT jAtI hai. vahAn pahale sanskArako dRuDh karanA paDA yA main gnAyak hUn, aisA abhyAs karanA paDA, aisA kuchh nahIn hai. sab abhyAs ekasAth hI ho gayA. main gnAyak hI hUn, aisA ekadam jaldI dRuDhatA ho gayI to antarmuhUrtamen ho gayA. aur sanskAr arthAt bAr-bAr, bAr-bAr der lage, manda puruShArthake kAraN der lage, main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, aisI pariNati sahajarUp-se dRuDh nahIn huyI, isaliye bAr-bAr, bAr-bAr adhik kAl abhyAs kiyA, isaliye use sanskAr kahA. usamen to abhyAs karanA kuchh rahA hI nahIn, turanta ekadam puruShArtha kiyA to ekadam ho gayA. usamen sanskAr bIchamen lAnekI jarUrat nahIn paDatI. mUl svabhAv, gnAyak svabhAv, apanA svabhAv hI kAraNarUp banatA hai. phir pariNatike sanskAr karanekA bIchamen koI avakAsh hI nahIn hai. jisakA tIvra puruShArtha utpanna ho, use kahIn bIchamen sanskArakI jarUrat hI nahIn hotI, dravya hI usakA kAraN banatA hai.

mumukShu- us apekShA-se svabhAvako sanskAr nirrathak karanevAlA kahA.

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samAdhAna- nirarthakar karanevAlA, dravya sanskArako nirarthak karanevAlA hai.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- sanskAr DAle. usamen dravya kAraN banatA hai aur ekadam antaramen jAte hain. nigomen-se nikalakar manuShya hokar, turanta main gnAyak svabhAv hI hUn, aise antarmuhUrtamen prApta kar lete hain. bIchamen sanskArakI koI jarUrat hI nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- vaise jaldI kAm ho, usakA koI rAstA batAo to kAm Aye.

samAdhAna- svayam jaldI puruShArtha kare to jaldI ho jAya. dhIre-dhIre abhyAs karatA rahe ki main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, usake bajAy main gnAyak hUn, aise ekadam dRuDhatA- se ... svayam ekadam vibhAv-se chhUTakar jAy to jaldI ho. puruShArtha dhIre-dhIre kare isaliye usamen sanskAr bIchamen Ate hain. jaldI kare to bIchamen sanskAr Ate hI nahIn. abhyAs kare isaliye sanskAr hue. usamen jaldI kiyA. ekadam dravya par dRuShTi gayI aur ho gayA. kamar kasakar taiyAr hue hain. pravachanasAramen (AtA hai). aise svayam taiyAr hokar antaramen jAye to ekadam ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- pravachanasAramen (AtA hai), hamane kamar kasI hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, kamar kasI hai.

mumukShu- ek bAr kahA thA, main gnAyak hUn, aisA vishvAs lA to lambA kAl nahIn lagatA.

samAdhAna- lambA kAl nahIn lagatA. ekadam dRuDhatAke sAtha. yadi vishvAsarUp- se pariNati ekadam dRuDh ho jAy ki main gnAyak hI hUn. vishvAs hai aisI hI pariNati, main gnAyak hUn, usakI dRuDhatA huyI. mohagranthikA mainne ghAt kar diyA hai. antaramen turanta ho jAtA hai. mohagranthikA ghAt karake samyagdarshan prApta karake chaturtha kAlamen kitane hI antaramen lInatA kar dI, to ekadam samyagdarshanakA kArya lInatArUp ekadam ho jAtA hai, jo jaldI karatA hai use.

vibhAvake sanskAr bhI chale Ate hain. AtA hai, krodhAdi tAratamyatA sarpAdik mAnhI. vibhAvakA sanskAr hote hain, vaise yah svabhAv taraphakI ruchike sanskAr vah bhI use pUrva bhavamen Ate hain. parantu vah puruShArtha kare tab use kAraNarUp kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- puruShArtha kare use upayogI kahanemen Aye, na kare use..

samAdhAna- puruShArtha tIvra huA aur dravya par dRuShTi gayI to sanskArakA vahAn prayojan nahIn rahA. abhyAs karatA rahe to bIchamen sanskAr Ate hain. kitane hI jIv aisA abhyAs karate-karate (Ag jAte hain). ekadam antarmuhUrtamen ho jAy aisA koI viral hotA hai. bAkI abhyAs karate-karate (Age jAte hain). chaturtha kAlamen jaldI ho jAy aise bahut

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hote hain. to bhI antarmuhUrtamen ho jAy aise to koI viral hote hain. abhyAs karate- karate (bahubhAg hotA hai).

nImv khodate-khodate nidhAn prApta ho jAy, aisA to kisIko hI hotA hai. bAkI to mahenat karate-karate hotA hai. usamen bhI yah to panchamakAl hai.

mumukShu- pUrNatA pragaT kara. vAstavamen to tujhe yah sikhAte hain. vah nahIn ho to shraddhA pragaT kar, aur shraddhA bhI na kar sake to gahare sanskAr to DAla.

samAdhAna- sanskAr to DAla. upadeshakI aisI shailI (hai). koI sunAye to use munipanAkA upadesh dete hain. phir muni na ho sake to shrAvakakA upadesh dete hain. pahale utanI shakti na ho to shrAvakakA upadesh (dete hain). samyagdarshanapUrvak shrAvaka.

yah panchamakAl hai. samyagdarshan paryant pariNati pragaT karanekA utanA puruShArtha na ho to ruchike sanskAr DAl (aisA kahate hain). yathArtha ruchi (kar ki), AtmA gnAyak hai, ye sab bhinna hai. usamen to shubhabhAvamen, kriyAmen, thoDA shubhabhAv huA usamen dharma mAn liyA, usakI to shraddhA bhI jUThI, usakA sab jUThA hai.

mumukShu- usake sanskAr bhI jUThe. samAdhAna- hAn, sab jUThA hai. mumukShu- asatake sanskAra. samAdhAna- dharma dUsare prakAr-se mAnA. koI kar degA aisA mAne. aisI kuchh- kuchh bhramaNAen hotI hain. ye gurudevake pratAp-se vah sab bhramaNA dUr huyI hai, gurudevane sabako upadesh de-de kara. bhagavAn kar denge, mandiramen jAyenge to hogA, aisA karenge to hogA, aisI sab bhramaNA (chalatI thI). gurudevane kahA, pratyek dravya svatantra hai. tU kar to hogA. shubhabhAv Aye dev-guru-shAstra taraphake, bhakti Ave vah alag bAt hai. parantu antaramen karanA to tujhe hai.