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mumukShu- gnAnIko jo vAstavamen pahachAnatA hai, vah gnAnI hue binA nahIn rahatA.

samAdhAna- vAstavamen unakA antar pahichAne to vah svayam gnAnI hue binA nahIn rahatA. antar pariNatiko pahichAne to apanI pariNati bhI vaisI hI ho jAtI hai.

mumukShu- antar pariNati yahI na? abhI jo apanI bAt huyI, bAharamen is prakAr rAg hone par bhI antar gnAn to aisA hI kAm karatA rahatA hai, do dravyakI bhinnatA hai isaliye rAgakA kuchh kArya bAharamen Ave yA paradravya apanemen kuchh karavAye aisA nahIn banatA.

samAdhAna- paradravyakA koI kArya rAgake kAraN nahIn hotA hai. usase bhinna, sharIr- se bhinna pariNaman vartatA hai aur vibhAv apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, usase bhI unakA pariNaman bhinna vartatA hai. rAg ho, us rAgake kAraN bAhar hotA nahIn hai aur rAgake kAraN sharIrakA kuchh nahIn hotA hai. aur vah rAg apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, isaliye rAg-se bhI svayam bhinna pariNamatA hai. rAgakA bhI unhen svAmItva nahIn hai. usase bhI bhinna pariNamatA hai, usakA unhen svAmItva nahIn hai.

usakI gnAyakakI dhArA kShaN-kShaNamen, kShaN-kShaNamen bhinna pariNamatI hai. use vah bhUlatA nahIn hai. vah unakA antar pariNaman hai. rAg-se bAharakA to kuchh hotA nahIn, parantu rAg-se bhI svayam bhinna pariNamatA hai. aisA karun, vaisA karun, aisA rAg Aye, phir bhI vah rAg hotA hai, us samay bhI svayam bhinna pariNamate hain. rAgarUp ve nahIn pariNamate.

muumukShu- us vakta usakA svAmItva nahIn hai. samAdhAna- us vakta us rAgakA svAmItva bhI use nahIn hai. aisI kShaN-kShaNamen gnAyakakI bhinna dhArA, gnAtAdhArA (vartatI hai). kartAbuddhi nahIn hai aur gnAtAdhArA vartatI hai. Anshik shAnti dhArA, gnAtA dhArA kShaN-kShaNamen vartatI hI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- ye to gnAnIkA alaukik antar pariNaman hai, ki jo agnAnI jIvonko khyAlamen nahIn AtA hai aur kartAbuddhikA sevan karatA hai.

samAdhAna- bAhar-se aisA lage ki mAnon karate hon. mAnon sab karate ho aisA lage. antar-se usakA bhinna gnAyakarUp pariNaman hai. gnAtA hai, bAkI dikhe aisA, bole

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aisA. parantu usakA pariNaman andar bhinna hai.

mumukShu- isIliye agnAnIko bhram ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- isIliye agnAnIko bhram ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- .. usakI kartAbuddhi chhUT jAy, aisI yah bAt hai. anyathA aisI shankA ho ki itanI sharIrakI kriyA (hotI hai), usI vakta samay-samayamen bhedagnAn chalatA hogA?

samAdhAna- antar dRuShTi-se dekh, aisA shrImadamen AtA hai na? svayamko us jAtakA khyAl nahIn hai, svayam ekatvabuddhimen pariNamatA hai. isaliye dekhaneke liye dRuShTi kahAn-se lAye? isaliye use aisA hotA hai ki ekatvabuddhimen to yah main karun, yah main karun. vaisA hI ve kahate hain. unake abhiprAyamen kyA pharka hai, unakI pariNatimen vah kaise pakaDanA? usako svayamko us jAtakA anubhav hI nahIn hai ki bhinnatA kaise rahe? ye sab bolate hain, parantu andar pariNati bhinna kaise rahatI hai? us jAtakA use anubhav nahIn hai, isaliye use pakaDanA mushkil paDatA hai.

mumukShu- jabatak anubhav nahIn hotA, tabatak dhAraNAgnAnamen spaShTarUp-se aisA vichAr kiyA hotA hai. phir bhI shankA paDe ki gnAnIko aisA nirantar rahatA hogA?

samAdhAna- hAn, nirantar rahatA hogA? aisA hotA hai. jaise use ekatvabuddhi nirantar rahatI hai, agnAn dashAmen ek kShaN bhI khaNDa nahIn paDatA. ekatvabuddhi, kShaN-kShaNamen jo- jo rAgakI dhArA, vibhAvakI dhArA, vikalpakI dhArAmen ekatvabuddhi use nirantar rahatI hai. usamen-se vah bhinna nahIn paDatA hai, sharIr-se ekatvabuddhi-se. koI bhI vikalpamen ekamek ekatvabuddhi jaise usakI rahatI hai, vaise hI bhedagnAnakI pariNati (gnAnIkI) rahatI hai. usamen use khaNDa nahIn paDatA. usamen use vibhAvake sAth ekatvabuddhi nahIn hotI. jaise (agnAn dashAmen) ekatva rahatA hai, vaise hI vah bhinna rahatA hai. bhinna rahane-se jo rAgakI pariNati hotI hai, usase bhinna rahatA hai.

rAgamen jo bhAv Aye, usamen vah tanmay nahIn ho jAtA. parantu amuk prakArake bhAv use Ate hain, isaliye vah bolatA hai, isakA aisA karanA, usakA vairA karanA. aisA bole. jo gRuhasthAshramamen ho vah us sambandhit bole aur jo dev-guru-shAstrake prasang ho, usamen aisA bole, bhagavAnakA aisA karo, gurukA aisA karo, aisA shAstrakA karo. aisA bole. isaliye use aisA lagatA hai ki ekatvapane (bolate hain). parantu unakI ekatvabuddhi nahIn hai. jaisI use rAgakI ekatvabuddhi chalatI hai, vaise unakI bhedagnAnakI pariNati bhinna hai. parantu bIchamen jo rAg AtA hai, us rAgamen vaise bhAv Ate hain. us bhAvake kAraN us prakArakA bolanA hotA hai. parantu usI kShaN vah bhinna rahatA hai.

mumukShu- antar dRuShTi-se, Apane kahA ki, shrImadajIne kahA hai ki antar dRuShTi-

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se dekha. antar dRuShTi-se dekhanA to kis prakAr-se dekhanekA prayatna karanA?

samAdhAna- amuk jAtakI yukti, dalIl-se nakkI kar sake. bAkI to kar nahIn sakatA. bAkI unake parichay-se, unakI bAt-se aise nakkI kare. yukti, dalIl, nyAy- se, siddhAnta-se nakkI kare. bAkI use us jAtakA khyAl nahIn hai isaliye use nakkI karanA mushkil paDatA hai.

parantu vichAr kare to use khyAl Aye ki bhedagnAnakI pariNati ho sakatI hai. bhedagnAnamen pratikShaN apanA astitva grahaN kare to bhedagnAnakI pariNati pragaT ho sake aisA hai. yadi na ho to vah bhinna hI nahIn paD sakatA. vah bhinna paDatA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai. jo siddha hote hain, ve bhedavignAn-se hI hote hain. ata bhedavignAn antaramen ho sakatA hai. usakI bhAvanA aisI hotI hai ki dUsareko shankA paDe ki ye sab bhAvanA aisI dikhe ki mAnon kartAbuddhi jaisI dikhatI hai.

mumukShu- isIliye Aj vichAr AyA ki Apako hI pUchh lUn.

samAdhAna- hAn, dikhe vaisA. pUjAmen aisA dikhe, dev-guru-shAstrake prasangamen aisA dikhe to bhI pratikShaN vah kShaN-kShaNamen nyArA hI hotA hai. jaise makkhan bhinna paD jAtA hai, phir-se vah pahalekI bhAnti ekamek nahIn ho jAtA. chhAchhake sAth rahe to bhI vah makkhan bhinna hI tairatA hai.

mumukShu- ek bAr bhinna paDaneke bAd ekamek nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- ekamek nahIn hotA. .. gnAn jo hai, us gnAnako-gnAyakako bhinna kiyA. anAdi-se gnAn taraph dekhatA nahIn hai aur vibhAv taraph dekhatA rahatA hai. gnAn- gnAyak taraph dRuShTi aur pariNati hai. isaliye vah usI taraph dekhatA hai. vibhAv taraph usakA alpa ho gayA hai. usakI pariNati gnAyak taraph, pUrA chakra gnAyak taraph ho gayA hai. alpa vibhAv taraph thoDA rahA hai.

mumukShu- agnAnIko sthUl gnAn hai isaliye use rAg hI dikhatA hai, gnAn dikhAI nahIn detA.

samAdhAna- rAg dikhatA hai, gnAn nahIn dikhAI detA.

mumukShu- hamen dukh ho aisI bAt hai. parantu gurudevakA itanA sunA hai ki usIse samAdhAn karate hain. phir bhI Apake shabda sunane hain.

samAdhAna- achAnak ho jAy aur chhoTI umra ho isaliye aisA lage. gurudevane kahA hai, shAnti rakhane alAvA upAy nahIn hai. sansArakA svarUp (aisA hI hai). jahAn koI upAy nahIn hai, vahAn shAnti rakhanI hI shreyarUp hai.

ananta janma-maraN, janma-maraN karate-karate bhavakA abhAv ho aisA mArga gurudevane

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batAyA. kitanonke sAth sambandha karake svayam AyA, svayamko chhoDakar kitane hI chale gaye aur svayam kisIko chhoDakar AyA hai. aise janma-maraN (kiye hain). kabhI lambA AyuShya, kabhI chhoTA AyuShya, aise anek jAtake janma jIvane dhAraN kiye hain. usamen yah manuShyabhav milA. is manuShyabhavake andar ek AtmAkI pahichAn ho vah navIn hai. bAkI janma-maraN, janma-maraN jagatamen chalate rahate hain.

rAg ho utanA dukh ho, to bhI badalakar andaramen samAdhAn karanA vahI shreyarUp hai. usakA dUsarA koI upAy nahIn hai. sansAr aisA hai, sansArakA svarUp aisA hai. jIvane itane janma-maraN kiye hain ki jitane jagatake paramANu hai, use svayamne grahaN karake chhoDe hain. itane jagatake paramANuko (grahA hai).

pratyek AkAsh pradeshamen ek-ek AkAsh pradesh par ananta bAr janma-maraN kiye. jitane vibhAvake adhyavasAy hain, sab ho gaye. utsarpiNI, avasarpiNI kAlake jitane samay hain, utanI bAr svayam ananta bAr janma-maraN kar chUkA. ananta bAr nigodamen gayA, ananta bAr devalokake devake bhav kiye. narkamen ananta bhav kiye, tiryanke ananta bhav, manuShyake ananta bhav kiye. itane bhav jIvane kiye hain. usamen kitanonke sAth sambandha joDA hai aur chhoDA hai. jIvako aise ananta janma-maraN hue hain.

usamen is pancham kAlamen yah manuShyabhav milA, usamen gurudevakI vANI milI aur gurudevane jo yah mArga batAyA, us mArgako grahaN karanA vahI upAy hai. vahI shAnti aur sukhakA upAy hai. is jIvanamen kuchh apUrvatA pragaT ho aur bhavakA abhAv ho, aise sanskAr Dale to vah shreyarUp hai. bAkI jIvane anek janma-maraN kiye hain. naTubhAIko bahut ruchi thI. antaramen vah ruchi lekar gaye hain. Ap sabako ruchi hai. gurudevane kahA hai vahI grahaN karanA hai.

jagatamen kuchh apUrva nahIn hai, koI padavI apUrva nahIn hai. ek samyagdarshanakI padavI (prApta nahIn kI). jinavarasvAmI jIvako mile hain, parantu usane pahachAnA nahIn hai. isaliye mile hain vah nahIn milane barAbar hai. ek samyagdarshan prApta nahIn huA hai. ek vah apUrva hai. isaliye use prApta karaneke liye jIvako bhedagnAn kaise ho, AtmAkI pahichAn kaise ho (usakA prayatna karanA chAhiye).

is jagatamen shAshvat AtmA hai. yah sharIr bhinna aur AtmA bhinna, donon bhinna- bhinna vastu hai. AtmA to shAshvat hai. ek deh chhoDakar dUsarA deh dhAraN karatA hai. AtmAkA to kahIn maraN hotA nahIn. janma-maraN AtmAke nahIn hai. naTubhAIkA AtmA to shAshvat hai. AtmAkA maraN nahIn hotA, AtmA to shAshvat hai. AtmA bhinna shAshvat hai, use grahaN kar lenA. vahI sachchA hai.

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jIvanamen bhedagnAn kaise ho? ki yah sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna, ye vibhAv apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. usase bhinna AtmAko pahichAn lenA. ek gnAyak AtmAko pahichAnanA vahI shreyarUp hai. usImen Ananda hai, usImen sukh hai. AtmA shAshvat hai. use grahaN karane- se vah shAshvat svayam hI hai. AtmAkA sambandha hI sachchA sambandha hai. jagatake anedar dUsare sambandhamen pheraphAr hote rahate hain.

baDe munishvar aur rAjeshvaronke AyuShya pUrNa hotA hai. chakravartI rAjA bhI antamen munipad dhAraN karake is mArgako grahaN karate hain. unakI padavImen RuddhikA pAr nahIn thA, phir bhI chhoDakar chale jAte hain. sansArakA svarUp aisA hai. isaliye ek AtmAko grahaN karanA vahI shreyarUp hai. aur gurudevane koI apUrva mArga batAyA hai. koI kriyAmen paDe the, koI kahAn paDe the. usamen-se AtmAkA sukh kaise prApta ho aur AtmA kaise pragaT ho, vah gurudevane batAyA hai.

shAstramen AtA hai, main ek, shuddha, sadA arUpI, gnAnadRug hUn yathArthase, kuchh anya vo merA tanik paramANu mAtra nahIn are! 38. koI paramANumAtra apanA nahIn hai. svayam shuddha svarUp arUpI AtmA hai. sharIr apanA nahIn hai. ek shuddha sadA gnAn-darshanase bharA huA AtmA hai, koI paramANu mAtra apanA nahIn hai. kisIke sAth koI sambandha nahIn hai. jitanA rAg ho, vah svayamko yAd AtA hai. rAg Aye to use badalakar shAnti rakhaneke alAvA koI upAy nahIn hai. aisA prasang bane isaliye ekadam sadamA lage to bhI shAnti rakhaneke alAvA koI upAy nahIn hai.

mumukShu- itanI sArI Ruddhi aur aisA milatA ho to bhI unhen aisA kaun- sA bandhan A gayA ki unhen rAstemen aisA ho gayA. na dharmakA kuchh sun sake, nA aur kuchh kar sake.

samAdhAna- aisA hai ki AyuShya kaise pUrNa ho vah to pUrvakA hotA hai. vartamAn jo ruchi ho vah to is bhavamen pragaT kI. aur AyuShyakA bandha huA vah to pUrvakA hai. isaliye pUrvakA AyuShya bandhakA uday aisA hI thA ki isI tarah-se AyuShya pUrNa ho. ata usamen to kuchh (ho nahIn sakatA). AyuShyakA bandha kaisA paDA ho, usamen jIv pheraphAr nahIn kar sakatA. apane bhAvako badal sakatA hai. bhAvamen andar rAg- dveShakI ekatvabuddhi toD sakatA hai. bAkI bAharake sanyog badal nahIn sakatA. bAharakA, sharIrakA, rogakA yA AyuShya kaise pUrNa ho, koI jIv usako nahIn badal sakatA. pUrvakA jo uday ho vah uday Ate hI rahate hain. bAharakA koI kArya badal nahIn sakatA, vah to uday anusAr hotA hai.

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antaramen kaise sAdhanA karanI, AtmAko pahachAnanA, andar-se bhedagnAn karanA, vah sab apane hAthakI bAt hai. bAharakA kuchh apane (hAthamen nahIn hai). unako jo ruchi thI vah unake sAth lekar gaye. bAkI AyuShya kaise pUrNa ho, vah to kisIke hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. Apake gharamen to sabako pahale-se sanskAr hai aur unako bhI sanskAr the. ve to sanskAr lekar gaye. AyuShya usI prakAr pUrA honevAlA thA, vaise hI hotA hai.

mumukShu- aisI koI AshAtanA kI ho yA dUsarA kuchh huA ho, isaliye Akhiramen aisA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- nahIn, aisA kuchh nahIn hai. vah to pUrvamen AyuShyakA bandha vaise paDA hotA hai. AyuShya amuk prakAr-se, amuk jAtakA bandhA ho us prakAr-se AyuShya pUrA hotA hai. koI aiese pariNAm-se AyuShyakA bandh paDA ho. chhoTA AyuShya, lambA AyuShya vah sab AyuShyakA bandh hai, pUrvakA hai. vartamAnakA kuchh nahIn hotA.

aisA hai ki kitanonko samyagdarshan hotA hai. AyuShyakA bandha jugaliyAkA AyuShyakA bandha paD gayA ho to jugaliyAmen jAtA hai. isaliye AyuShyakA bandha hai usako badalA nahIn jAtA. aisA kahate hain ki AyuShyakA bandha aisA paDA? unako itanI ruchi thI to bhI is tarah deh chhUTA? kahA, usamen koI vartamAnakA kAraN nahIn hai. vah to pUrvamen AyuShyakA bandha us prakArakA paDA hotA hai.

mumukShu- ....rAstemen ho gayA. koI sanyog nahIn mile.

mumukShu- koI sunAye to hI bhAv rahatA hai?

samAdhAna- koI sunAye to hI bhAv rah sake aisA nahIn hai, svayam khud rakh sakatA hai. andar yAd A jAya. jise ruchi ho use antaramen yAd hI A jAtA hai, vedanA Aye isaliye.

mumukShu- itanA prem thA...

samAdhAna- sabako dekhA thA na, isaliye apaneko aisA lage ki ye chunibhAIke putra hai. aisA ho na. vahAn prANabhAIke ghar Ate-jAte the, isaliye dekhA thA. vahAn jAmanagar jAte the tab in sabako chhoTe the us vakta dekhA thA. sabako ruchi. chunibhAIko utanI ruchi thI, isaliye sab laDakonko bhI (ruchi huyI).

mumukShu- buddhivAn the. barAbar parakh kare.

samAdhAna- janma-se yah ruchi, kyonki chunibhAIko ruchi thI isaliye gharamen sabako vahI ruchi.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- pUrvakA ho us anusAra. pUrva udayakA kAraN hai. aise hI koI sanyog

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bandhe the. jIvane ananta janma-maraN kiye. usamen kitane jAtake karmabandha paDA hotA hai. kisIkA koI samayamen uday AtA hai. anek jAtake uday Ate hain. antar AtmAkI ruchi rakhanI vah ek alag bAt hai aur bAharake uday ek alag bAt hai. donon vastu bhinna-bhinna hain. andar dukh lage, parantu samAdhAn kiye binA koI upAy nahIn hai.

mumukShu- unakI ruchi to bahut thI. kabhI-kabhI mere sAth bAt karate the. tab kahatI thI, achAnak kuchh ho jAyagA to naTavar kaise karenge? hamen kaun sunAyegA? to aisA kahate the, aisI DhIlI bAten kyon karate ho? jAgRuti to apanI hai na, aisI DhIlI bAten nahIn karanI.

samAdhAna- aisI bAt karate the?

mumukShu- hAn, aisI bAt karate the. main kabhI kahatI thI..

samAdhAna- svayamko andar yAd A gayA ho. andar dabAv baDhatA hai na, isaliye yAd A jAya.

mumukShu- tattva samajhe, pramodavAle the.

samAdhAna- kitane janma-maraN kiye. kitanonke sAth sambandha bAndhe, chhoDe. manuShya jIvanamen AtmAkA kar lenA. aise prasang dekhakar vairAgya utpanna ho aisA hai. kaise prasang banate hain. vairAgya Aye aisI bAt hai. sunakar aisA huA, ye kyA achAnak ho gayA?

mumukShu- mAmAkA patra AyA..

samAdhAna- andar apanI ruchi aur sanskAr ho. AtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho, aisI gaharI ruchi huyI ho, utanI antaramen gaharI bhAvanA ho, to use bhaviShyamen puruShArtha utpanna hue binA nahIn rahatA. yadi andaramen gaharI ruchi ho to. shAstramen AtA hai ki tatprati prIti chitten vArtApi hI shrutA. bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanam, aisA AtA hai. prIti- se yadi is tattvakI bAt sunatA hai to bhaviShyamen nirvANakA bhAjan hai. prIti-se bAt sunatA hai usakA matalab use andar apUrvatA lage. gurudev aisI bAt batAyI, use apUrva rIte-se sunakar jisane grahaN kI ho, use antaramen vartamAnamen puruShArtha na kar sake to bhI bhaviShyamen usakA puruShArtha chAlU hotA hai. jisane antaramen aise sanskAr DAle hain ki mujhe ek AtmA hI chAhiye, dUsarA kuchh nahIn chAhiye. ek AtmA taraphakI hI jise ruchi hai. sachche dev-guru-shAstra aur andar AtmA, usakI jise ruchi hai, use bhaviShyamen puruShArtha utpanna hue binA nahIn rahatA. sabako ruchi hai. AyuShyake Age kisIkA kuchh nahIn chalatA. samAdhAn kiye binA koI upAy nahIn hai. dev-guru-shAstrako hRudayamen rakhakar AtmA gnAyakakI pahachAn kaise ho, vah karane jaisA hai. chakravartI aur rAjA bhI sansAr chhoDakar AtmAkA sharaN grahaN karate hain. AtmAkA sharaN hI sachchA hai.

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chattArI mangalan, arihantA mangalan, sAhU mangalan, kevalipaNatto dhammo mangalan. chattArI loguttamA, arihantA loguttamA, siddhA loguttamA, sAhU loguttamA, kevalipaNatto dhammo loguttamA.

chattArI sharaNan pavajjAmi, arihantA sharaNan pavajjAmi, siddhA sharaNan pavajjAmi, kevalI paNatto dhammo sharaNan pavajjAmi.

chAr sharaN, chAr mangal, chAr uttam kare je, bhavasAgarathI tare te sakaL karmano ANe anta. mokSha taNA sukh le anant, bhAv dharIne je guN gAye, te jIv tarIne muktie jAya. sansAramAnhI sharaN chAr, avar sharaN nahIn koI. je nar-nArI Adare tene akShay avichal pad hoya. angUThe amRut varase labdhi taNA bhaNDAra. guru gautamane samarIe to sadAy manavAnchhit phal dAtA.