Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (English transliteration). Track: 269.

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samAdhAna- .. jisakA astitva anAdiananta hai, vah trikAl vastu hai.

mumukShu- vahI trikAl vastu hai?

samAdhAna- vahI trikAl (vastu hai). jo jAnanevAlekA astitva hai, vah trikAl vastu hai. aur vah jAnanemAtra nahIn, ananta shaktion-se bharA hai. asAdhAraN gnAn (guN) hai, isaliye gnAn dvArA grahaN hotA hai. vah jAnanevAlA hai ananta shaktiyon-se bharA hai.

mumukShu- ... kabhI Aye tab bahut AtA hai.

samAdhAna- koI bAr ugra ho jAy to sahaj aisA ho jAya. parantu hai abhI abhyAsarUp, sahajarUp nahIn hai. koI bAr use prayatna kar-karake bhI kRutrimatA-se (karatA hai), vah to puruShArthakI gati us jAtakI hai na. hAni-vRuddhi, hAni-vRuddhi hotI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- us vakta kyA karanA? jab bahut prayatna karate hain lAnekA, us vakta nahIn hotA ho to?

samAdhAna- samajhanA ki kuchh mandatA hai isaliye (nahIn ho rahA hai). phir-se bhAvanA ugra ho jAy to sahaj Ave.

mumukShu- na Aye us vakta paDhanA yA aisA kuchh karanA?

samAdhAna- hAn, vah na Aye to ek jagah upayog sthir na ho to vAnchanamen upayog joDanA, vichAramen joDanA, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAmen, is prakAr alag-alag prakAr-se upayogako joDanA. ek jAtakA kArya antaramen na ho sake to anek prakAr- se upayogako shubhabhAvamen joDe. parantu vah samajhe ki yah shubh hai. to bhI jabatak antaramen shuddhAtmA pragaT nahIn huA hai, to use shubhabhAv Aye binA nahIn rahate. isaliye shubhake kAyAko, shubhakI bhAvanAonko badalatA rahe. parantu dhyey ek (honA chAhiye ki) mujhe shuddhAtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? dhyey to ek honA chAhiye.

bhedagnAn ho to bhI shubhabhAv to khaDe rahate hain. parantu vah samajhatA hai ki ya ha main nahIn hUn. aise bhedagnAnakI dhArA use sahaj chalatI hai. ek hI jagah upayog Tik nahIn pAtA, ata upayogako badalatA rahe. pUrA din bhedagnAn karatA ho aur kRutrim jaisA


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ho jAtA ho to vAnchan karanA, vichAr karanA. anek prakAr-se upayogako badalate rahanA.

mumukShu- ApakI vANI bahut mIThI aur saral lagatI hai. itanI saral lagatI hai ki andaramen sab samajhamen AtA hai.

samAdhAna- koI bAr ugra ho, koI bAr dhIre ho, jignAsuko aisA hotA rahatA hai. ... bIchamen hotA hai. nimitta-upAdAnakA aisA sambandha hai. isaliye jitanA satsamAgam ho us prakArakA prayatna karanA. aur apanI taiyArI karanI. karanekA svayamko hI hai. usakA svabhAv hai vah sahaj hai. parantu pariNatiko palaTanA vah puruShArtha hai. puruShArtha aur sahaj, aisA hai.

mumukShu- abhI tak gurudevashrIko sunate the, sab karate the, parantu usamen apekShA gnAn, gurudevakA hRuday gAmbhIrya kyA hai, vah hamen barAbar samajhamen nahIn AtA thA. isaliye gurudev bahut apekShAen letee the. parantu ham shabdommen hI le jAte the aur samajhamen nahIn AtA thA. Apake pratAp-se hamen thoDA samajhamen Ane lagA. mahimA bhI AtI hai, lagatA hai ki aho! yahI satya hai. aisA mArga hai, pahale ... jaise Apane kahA, jise lagI hai usIko lagI hai, pihU pihU pukAratA hai. usake liye vaisI utkanThA jAgRut nahIn hotI hai, to usamen hamArI kyA bhUl hotI hogI? athavA hamen kis prakAr-se vaisA lage, Ap darshAIye.

samAdhAna- antaramen utanI puruShArthakI mandatA rahatI hai, bAharamen aTak jAtA hai isaliye. antaramen bas, yahI karanekA hai, satya yahI hai. svabhAvamen hI sukh hai, sab svabhAvamen bharA hai. bAhar kahIn nahIn hai. utanI antaramen ruchikI tIvratA nahIn hai. isaliye puruShArthakI mandatA hai. ruchi hai, parantu ruchikI mandatAke kAraN, puruShArthakI mandatAke kAraN vah tIvratA nahIn ho rahI hai. tIvratA ho to puruShArtha utpanna hue binA rahe nahIn. mandatA rahatI hai, apanI hI mandatA rahatI hai. usakA kAraN apanA hai, anya kisIkA kAraN nahIn hai. apanI ruchi manda hai aur apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai. isaliye usamen ruk gayA hai.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen AtA hai ki sUkShma upayog karake gnAyakako pakaDanA. sUkShma upayogamen kyA gUDhArtha hai? prayogAtmak paddhati-se sUkShma upayog (karanA)?

samAdhAna- upayog bAharamen sthUlarUp-se bAhar vartatA rahatA hai. svayam sthUlatA- se bAhya padAthAko jAnanekA prayatna kare, vikalpako pakaDe vah sab sthUl hai. parantu andar AtmAko pakaDanA vah sUkShma hai.

AtmAkA jo gnAnasvabhAv, gnAyakasvabhAvako pakaDanA vah sUkShma upayog ho to pakaDamen AtA hai. kyonki vah svayam arUpI hai. vah kahIn varNa, gandha, ras, sparshavAlA nahIn


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hai. arUpI AtmAko pakaDanA. upayog sUkShma kare to pakaDamen AtA hai. ye vikalpa, jo vibhAvabhAv hai, usase bhI AtmA to sUkShma hai. gnAnasvabhAv-gnAyakasvabhAv, us gnAnamen pUrA gnAyak samAyA hai. us gnAyakako svayam sUkShma upayog kare to pakaDamen AtA hai. sUkShmatAke binA pakaDamen (nahIn AtA). sthUlatA-se aur rAgamishrit bhAvon-se pakaDamen nahIn AtA. parantu usase bhinna hokar pakaDe to pakaDamen Aye aisA hai.

mumukShu- bhinna paDakar mAne kyA?

samAdhAna- bhinna paDakar arthAt andar gnAyakako grahaN karake vikalpake bhAvon- se bhinna paDe to vAstavik pakaDamen AtA hai. pahale shurUAtamen to use vikalpa sAthamen hotA hai. vikalpa-se bhinna paDe to antaramen nirvikalpa dashA ho jAy, vah to vAstavik pakaDamen AtA hai. shurUAtamen, pratham bhUmikAmen to vikalpa sAthamen hotA hai. vAstavik pakaDamen Aye to vikalpa-se bhinna paDatA hai. parantu pahale shurUAtamen vikalpako gauN karake aur AtmAko adhik rakhakar yadi pakaDe to pakaDamen AtA hai. vikalpa-se bilakUl bhinna to nirvikalpa dashA ho to vah vikalpa-se bhinna paDatA hai. vikalpako gauN karake aur anshata AtmAko mukhya karake pakaDe to pakaDamen AtA hai.

bhedagnAnakI dhArA ho to usamen vikalpa-se bhinna paDe. bhinna paDe arthAt vikalpa hai aisA use khyAl rahatA hai ki parantu pariNatiko bhinna karatA hai. vah sab to vAstavik hai. shurUAtakI bhUmikAmen vikalpa sAthamen hotA hai, parantu vikalpako gauN karake AtmAko mukhya rakhakar, yah main gnAyak hUn aur yah vikalpa hai, is tarah pakaD sakatA hai.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen AtA hai ki AtmAko mukhya rakhanA. parantu kAyAkI ginatI karane jaisA nahIn hai. phir bhI pariNAmommen kAryakI ginatI ho jAtI ho to vahAn mukhya kAraN kyA banatA hogA? aur usase bachane hetu prayogAtmak paddhati-se kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- kAyAkI ginatI nahIn karanA, AtmAko mukhya rakhanA. kAyAkI ginatI to use bAharamen us jAtakA use rAg hai isaliye ginatI hotI hai. usake liye ek AtmA taraphakI hI lagan lagAye, dUsarekI mahimA TUT jAy ki dUsare kAyAkI kyA mahimA hai? AtmA hI mujhe sarvasva hai aur AtmAmen hI sarvasva hai. to AtmAko mukhya rakhe, AtmAkI mahimA Aye to vah sab use gauN ho jAtA hai. use kisI bhI prakArakI ginatI nahIn hotI. merA AtmA hI sarvasva hai. AtmAkI hI mahimA, AtmAkI lagan, AtmA or hI use sarvasvatA lage aur dUsarekA ras TUT jAya. dUsarekI mahimA TUT jAtI hai.

mumukShu- itanA paDhatA hUn, itanI bhakti karatA hUn, main itane ghaNTe aisA karatA hUn. itanA-itanA main karatA hUn, aisA ginatI (hotI hai).


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samAdhAna- mainne itanA kiyA to bhI kuchh hotA nahIn hai. itane vichAr kiye, itanA svAdhyAy kiyA, itanA vAnchan kiyA, itanI bhakti kI. use AtmA mukhya rahatA hai. use ginatI nahIn hotI, mujhe AtmA hI sarvasva hai. bAhar-se jo bhI ho, usake bajAy antaramen mujhe bhedagnAnakI dhArA pragaT ho, main gnAyakako grahaN karun, gnAyakamen lInatA ho, us par usakI dRuShTi hotI hai.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen AtA hai ki shuddha dravya svabhAvakI dRuShTi karake tathA ashuddhatAko khyAlamen rakhakar puruShArtha karanA. vahAn khyAl mAne upayogAtmak gnAnaguNakI paryAy lenI yA labdhAtmak gnAn lenA?

samAdhAna- AtmA shuddha hai. bAhar upayog hai vah use labdhAtmak, khyAlamen rahatA hai. gnAnamen labdhAtmak khyAl nahIn use upayogAtmak khyAl rahatA hai. labdhAtmak khyAl to hai, parantu upayogamen use khyAl rahatA hai ki yah ashuddha hai, yah shuddha hai. upayogamen bhI rahatA hai aur labdhamen bhI rahatA hai.

mumukShu- itanI ashuddhatA hai, yah hai, vah hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, itanI ashuddhatA hai, itanI shuddhatA hai. labdhamen rahatA hai ki itanA gnAyak hai, yah vibhAv hai. parantu upayogamen bhI use khyAlamen rahatA hai ki itanI ashuddhatA hai, yah shuddhAtmA hai, aisA upayogamen rahatA hai. jabatak usakA upayog bAhar hai, tabatak sab khyAlamen rahatA hai. yah ashuddhatA hai, yah shuddha hai aisA.

mumukShu- nirvikalpatAke samay nahIn hotA.

samAdhAna- nirvikalpatAke samay nahIn hotA. vah to ek svarUpamen jam jAtA hai. Ananda dashAmen bAharakA kuchh dhyAn nahIn hai. ek Ananda, ananta guN-se bharA AtmA AnandasvarUp anupam hai. vahIn usakI lInatA hai, isaliye dUsarA kuchh khyAl nahIn hai. sab abuddhipUrvak ho jAtA hai. use khyAl hI nahIn hai, apane svarUpakA hI vedan hai.

mumukShu- gnAyakako pariNAmamen pakaDanA, aisA vachanAmRutake pravachanamen pUjya gurudevashrIne pharamAyA ki pariNAmamen gnAyakapane ahampanA karanA. jaise shAstragnAn dhAraNAgnAnamen ahampanA hai, usake badale gnAyakamen ahampanA karanA. aur bahut bAr aisA bhI AtA hai ki gnAyakako ruchigat karanA. to paryAyamenn gnAyakakI mahimA AnI, in donommen kyA antar hai? ahampanA karanA, mahimA karanI, ruchi karanI usamen kyA antar hai?

samAdhAna- yah gnAyak hai vah main hUn. ahampanA arthAt yah gnAyak hai vah main hUn aur yah main nahIn hUn. shAstrakA ahampanA, ye shAstra paDhA vah nahIn, ye gnAyak vah main hUn. yah main hUn, usamen usakI ruchi bhI A jAtI hai aur usakI us jAtakI pratIti bhI A jAtI hai. us jAtakA gnAyakamen ahampanA, main gnAyak hUn. aise.


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mumukShu- yAnI vahI mahimA huyI, vahI ruchi huyI, sab ho gayA.

samAdhAna- hAn, sab usamen A gayA. ruchi, mahimA sab usamen A jAtA hai. yah gnAyak hai so main hUn. gnAyakakA ahampanA karanA. vibhAvakA ahampanA-ekatvabuddhi toDakar vibhAvake koI bhI kAyAmen ekatvabuddhi kare, usake bajAy main usase bhinna gnAyak hUn. bhale abhI vikalpAtmak hai, parantu gnAyakamen ahampanA karanA. vah ahampanA nahIn karanA ki ye shAstra ityAdikI ekatvabuddhi toDakar gnAyakakA ahampanA karanA. abhI vAstavik- rUp-se use TUTA nahIn hai, parantu main gnAyak hUn, is prakArase bhI use vikalpAtmak hai, to bhI main gnAyak hUn, us jAtakI pariNati dRuDh karanI. pratItamen lAnA, ruchimen lAnA, mahimAmen lAnA.

mumukShu- vachanAmRutamen AtA hai ki anubhUtike liye svayamko parapadArtha-se bhinna padArtha nakkI kare, apane dhruv svabhAvakI mahimA lAye aur samyagdarshan pragaT karanekA prayAs karanA chAhiye. vahAn paradravya-se bhinnatA vichAr karane par lagatA hai ki svayam paradravya- se bhinna hai. parantu svayam dhruv gnAyakasvabhAvI mahimAvant hai, aisA lagatA nahIn hai. to prayogAtmakapane kyA karanA chAhiye?

samAdhAna- paradravya-se bhinna hai to usakA astitva grahaN karanA hai ki ye chaitanyakA astitva dhrav svarUp hai vah main hUn, yah main nahIn hUn. yah main nahIn hUn, paradravya so main nahIn hUn, merA svarUp nahIn hai, to main kaun hUn? apanI mahimA Aye binA vAstavik paradravya taraphakI ekatA TUTatI hI nahIn. isaliye main kaun hUn? usakA vichAr kare. merA astitva kyA hai? main ek dhruv gnAyakasvarUpI anAdiananta ek vastu hUn aur ye jo vibhAv paryAy hai vah merA vAstavik svarUp nahIn hai. merA vAstavik svarUp gnAyak svarUp hai. is prakAr apanA astitva grahaN karake nAstitva Aye to vah barAbar hotA hai. akelA nAstitva Aye ki paradravya main nahIn hUn, akelA nAstitva vAstavik nahIn hotA. astitvapUrvakakA nAstitva ho to vah barAbar hotA hai. isaliye astitva taraphakA (prayatna karanA).

ye sab main nahIn hUn, ye sab achchhA nahIn hai, parantu achchhA kyA hai? gnAyak svabhAv mahimAvant hai. usakA astitva grahaN karake nAstitva Aye to use vAstavik bhedagnAn honekA usamen avakAsh hai.

mumukShu- usakI visheSh mahimA kaise Aye?

samAdhAna- dhruvamen, gnAyakatAmen-gnAyakasvabhAvamen hI sab bharA hai. usakA vichAr- se, usakA svabhAv pahinakar nakkI kare ki ye kuchh mahimAvant nahIn hai to mahimAvant kaun hai? main chaitanya gnAyak mahimAvant svarUp hUn. use vichAr-se, usakA svabhAv pahichAnakar


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nakkI kare ki ye gnAyakatA hai vah ananta gnAyakatA hai. vah gnAyakatA, itanA jAnA isaliye gnAyak hai, aisA nahIn. svatasiddha gnAyak jisamen nahIn jAnanA aisA AtA hI nahIn, aisA ananta-ananta gnAyakatA-se bharA jo svabhAv aur jo sukhako bAharamen ichchhatA hai, vah sukhakA svabhAv, sukhakA samudra svayam hI hai. aisA ananta svabhAvavAlA, ananta Ananda jisamen bharA hai, ananta gnAn jisamen bharA hai aur ananta svabhAv-se jo bharA hai aisA main chaitanya hUn. us chaitanyakI mahimA vichAr karake lAve ki vah vastu ananta dharmAtmak aur mahimAvant koI anupam hai. usakA vichAr karake mahimA lAye. shAstrommen AtA hai, AchAryadev kahate hain, gurudev kahate haiain ki ye vastu koI anupam mahimAvant hai. jo anubhavI hain, gurudev kahate hain, muni kahate hain ki AtmA koI anupam hai. to svayam vichAr karake nakkI kare.

svayamko to ek gnAnasvabhAv hI dikhatA hai, dUsarA kuchh dikhatA nahIn hai. to svayam vichAr karake andar-se svatasiddha ananta dharmAtmak hai, ananta achintya mahimA-se bharI hai, usakA vichAr karake nakkI kare to svayamko pratIt Ave. dev-guru-shAstra jo kahate hain ki koI apUrva vastu hai, terI vastu apUrva hai, tU usamen jA. to vah apUrva kaise hai? usakA vichAr karake svayam pratIt kare to ho. usakA lakShaN to amuk dikhatA hai, parantu svayamse nakkI karanA paDatA hai.

bAharamen sab jagah AkulatA hai. to nirAkulatA aur Ananda-se bharA ek AtmA hai. aisA gurudev kahate hain, AchArya kahate hain, sab kahate hain. antaramen hai vah kis prakAr- se hai, vah svayam vichAr karake, svabhAvako pahichAnakar nakkI kare ki usImen sab hai. to use mahimA Aye.

mumukShu- ananta guNAtmak hai vah sab vichAr dvArA nakkI ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- vichAr dvArA nakkI ho sakatA hai. use dikhatA nahIn hai, parantu nakkI ho sakatA hai. jo anAdiananta vastu ho vah mApavAlI nahIn ho sakatI. vah ananta agAdh svabhAv-se bharI hai. vichAr-se nakkI kar sakatA hai. usakI mahimA lA sakatA hai.

mumukShu- mumukShuke netra satpuraShako pahichAn letA hai. vahAn mumukShuke netrakA artha satpuruShakI vANImen A rahI AtmAkI sahaj mahimA aur anyakI usI shabdommen A rahI kRutrim mahimA, usake bIchakA bhed karatA hai, aisA kah sakate hain?

samAdhAna- usake netra aise hI ho gaye ho. pAtratA antaramen-se use satya hI chAhiye. satpuruShakI vANImen koI apUrvatA rahI hai, koI AtmAkA svarUp batA rahe hain. dUsarekI vANI aur unakI vANIkA bhed kar sakatA hai. usakA hRuday hI aisA ho gayA hai ki mujhe jo chAhiye, koI apUrva vastu, ye kuchh apUrva batA rahe hain. vah bhed


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kar sakatA hai. sachchA mumukShu ho vah bhed kar sakatA hai. sachchA mumukShu ho vah bhed kar sakatA hai. unake parichay-se, unakI vANI-se bhed kar sakatA hai. parIkShA karake bhed kar sakatA hai.

mumukShu- dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAke vakta AtmAkI khaTak rakhanekA Ap pharamAte ho, to vah donon ek pariNAmamen prayogAtmak rUp-se kaise karanA?

samAdhAna- dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAke samay AtmAkI (khaTak honI chAhiye). us mahimAkA hetu kyA hai? dev-guru-shAstra, jinendra devane AtmA pragaT kiyA hai, ve kevalagnAn svarUp, pUrNarUp-se virAjamAn ho gaye, gurudev sAdhanA karate hain, shAstrommen bhI vah AtA hai, isaliye usakI mahimAkA hetu kyA hai ki unhonne jo chaitanyakA svarUp pragaT kiyA, isaliye unakI mahimA AtI hai. usakA artha vah hai ki unhonne vah svarUp pragaT kiyA isaliye unakI mahimA AtI hai. to us svarUpakI svayamko ruchi hai aur vah ruchi vaisI honI chAhiye ki vah svarUp mujhe pragaT ho.

ata rUDhigatarUp-se vah achchhA hai aise nahIn. unhonne jo pragaT kiyA vah Adarane yogya koI anupam vastu pragaT kI hai. aur vah vastu mujhe chAhiye. isaliye usamen ruchi aur dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA donon sAth hote hain. jise mahimA, aisI samajhapUrvak mahimA Aye use AtmAkI ruchi sAthamen hotI hI hai. oghe oghe karatA ho (aisA nahIn). samajhapUrvak jise mahimA AtI hai use ruchi sAthamen hotI hI hai ki yah svarUp mujhe chAhiye. ye vibhAv achchhA nahIn hai, parantu svabhAv achchhA hai. ata jo dev- guru-shAstrane pragaT kiyA hai, usakI use mahimA AtI hai aur vah mujhe chAhiye. aisA andar-se samAyA hai. aisI ruchi sAthamen hotI hI hai. aisI samajhapUrvak jise mahimA Aye, use AtmAkI ruchi sAthamen hotI hI hai.

AtmAkI ruchi sAthamen na ho aur akelI mahimA kare to vah sab samajhe binAkA hai. anAdi kAl-se jo mAtra ruDhigatarUp-se kiyA vaisA. dev-guru-shAstra Adarane yogya kyon hai? ki unhonne AtmAkA svarUp koI apUrva pragaT kiyA hai, isaliye. isaliye unakA svayamko Adar hai. antaramen apanA Adar andar A jAtA hai.

mumukShu- AtmAkI khaTak rahatI ho aur mahimA AtI ho, vahI sachchI mahimA hai?

samAdhAna- vahI sachchI mahimA hai. use khaTak rahatI hI hai. jise sachchI mahimA Aye use AtmAkI khaTak sAthamen hotI hI hai. to sachchI mahimA hai.

gurudevane mArga kitanA spaShTa kiyA hai. prashna pUchhe usakA uttar detI hUn. mumukShu- gurudevake shabda bahut gambhIr, isaliye kuchh samajh nA sake. unakA gambhIr Ashay samajh na sake, Apane gurudevakA hRuday kholA isaliye ham bach gaye.


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samAdhAna- gurudevane batAyA hai. yahI karane jaisA hai. jIvanamen apUrva vastu kaise prApta ho aur vah apUrvatA kaise prApta ho? apUrva puruShArtha, AtmA apUrva, usakA abhyAs koI apUrva. bAkI sab rUDhigat rUpase bahut bAr kiyA hai. apUrva prakAr-se prApta ho vah karanA hai.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho! mAtAjInI amRut vANIno jay ho!