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samAdhAna- .. man-se ho aisA nahIn hai, samvar to sahaj hai. jisakI sahaj dashA hai use sahaj samvar hI hai. manako rokanA, manako rokanA vah to vyavahAr-se paribhAShA hai. andar samvarasvarUp jo svayam pariNamit ho gayA hai, bhedagnAnarUp, use sahaj samvar hI hai. vigrahagatimen jo samyagdarshan lekar jAy to use jo sahaj bhedagnAn hai, use manake sAth sambandha hotA hai, aisA to kuchh nahIn hai. isaliye use samvar to sAthamen hotA hai. ... samvar to hotA hai. samvar to vigrahagatimen hotA hai. munionko visheSh samvar (hotA hai). chAritra apekShA-se samvarakI bAt hai. gupti-se samvar hotA hai.

mumukShu- ... AnandakA anubhav kyA hogA? phir ATh hI din vahAn par kyon rahe?

samAdhAna- ATh din use to bhagavAn mil gaye. unakA sharIr alag, videhakShetrakA sharIr alag, vahAn-ke sanyog alag, unakI munidashA, munidashA to antaramen-se pAlanI hai, parantu unakA sharIr kitanA? pAnchasau dhanuShakA sharIr, vahAn mahAvideh kShetramen kitane baDe sharIr hote hain. un sabake sAth.. munidashA pAlanI vah sab mel (nahIn baiThatA). ATh din-se jyAdA rah nahIn sake. dev hI unhen vApas yahAn chhoD gaye, aisA kahA jAtA hai.

chAritradashA andar munidashA hai na. jyAdA rahanA mushkipal hai, AhAr-pAnIkI dikkat ho jAya. ek bAlak jaise dikhe. itane baDe sharIr hote hain. muni hain, andaramen chhaThaven- sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hain. panch mahAvratakA pAlan karanA, sab dikkat hotI hai. munidashAke yogya,.. vahAnkA AhAr hajam honA hI mushkil paDe, aise sharIravAleko.

mumukShu- samvar, nirjarA aur mokShako paryAy bolA hai. to paryAy bolA hai to AtmA to shuddha trikAlI dhruv svabhAv jo hai, vah to muktirUp-svarUp hI hai, to usako paryAyakI apekShA-se samvar, nirjarA, mokSha kahanemen AtA hai?

samAdhAna- shuddhAtmA to dravyadRuShTi-se dekho to shuddhAtmA to anAdiananta mokShasvarUp- muktasvarUp hai. usamen samvar, nirjarA sAdhakakI paryAy kahanI vah vyavahAr hai. parantu vah usakI paryAy hai. kyonki samvar, nirjarA sab sAdhakakI paryAy hai. usamen pahale samvar

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samyagdarshanarUp hotA hai, phir chAritradashA AtI hai. usamen visheSh nirjarA hotI hai. pahale amuk nirjarA hotI hai, visheSh nirjarA munidashAmen hotI hai. vah sab paryAy hai.

parantu dravya apekShA-se shuddhAtmA anAdi (muktasvarUp hI hai). aisA dravya aur paryAy donon vastukA svabhAv hI hai. jo pragaT paryAy hotI hai muktikI, use paryAy kahate hain. aur anAdiananta dravya to muktasvarUp hai. muktasvarUp dravya hai, parantu vedan nahIn hai. usakA svayamko svAnubhUtikA vedan nahIn hai, paryAy pragaT nahIn huyI hai. dravya to shuddha hai, dravyamen kahIn ashuddhatAkA pravesh nahIn huA hai. dravya to shuddha hai. parantu paryAyakA vedan nahIn hai. svAnubhUtikA vedan kahAn hai? paryAy pragaT hue binA vedan nahIn hotA. isaliye jab usakI svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT hotI hai, svAnubhUtikA vedan hotA hai.

vah svAnubhUti visheSh baDhane par vItarAgatA hotI hai isaliye use pUrNa vedan hotA hai. vah pragaT mukta dashA hai. ye shaktirUp mukta dashA hai. vah vyaktirUp muktadashA hai. isaliye dravya aur paryAyakA mel hai. dravya aur paryAy vastukA svarUp hai. isaliye shuddha paryAy nahIn hai, tabatak vedan nahIn hai. shuddhaparyAy pragaT huyI, isaliye use svAnubhUti, vItarAgadashAkA vedan hotA hai. isaliye vah pragaT mukta dashA hai, yah shaktirUp mukta dashA hai.

samAdhAna- .. us vakta yahAn sajAvaT Adi kI thI, svAdhyAy mandiramen bahut sundar thA. gurudevakA jIvan-darshan, gurudevake charaN, sab bahut achchhA lagatA thA. vahAn dekhane gayI to vah sab sajAvaT dekhakar aisA lagA ki gurudev yahAn virAjate ho to ye sab shobhe. aise vichAr Ate the, bhAvanA hotI rahI. us din ghar Akar pUrI rAt aisA huA, gurudev padhAro, padhAro aisA bhAvanAmen rahA. phir prAtakAlamen aisA svapna AyA ki gurudev devalokamen-se devake rUpamen padhAre. sab devakA hI rUp thA. jharIke vastra, hAr ratnake, ratnake vastra the.

gurudevane kahA ki aisA kuchh nahIn rakhanA, bahin! main to yahIn hUn. main yahI hUn, aisA do-tIn bAr kahA. Ap yahAn ho aise ApakI AgnA-se mAn len, parantu ye sab dukhI ho rahe hain. usakA kyA? gurudev to maun rahe. svapna to itanA hI thA. parantu us vakta sabako itanA ullAs thA ki mAnon gurudev virAjate hon aur utsav hotA ho, aisA thA. gurudev devake rUpamen padhAre. aisA svapna thA. pahachAne jAte the, gurudev devake rUpamen bhI guurudev hI hai, aisA pahachAnA jAtA thA.

mumukShu- mukh gurudevakA?

samAdhAna- mukh devakA thA. parantu pahachAn ho jAy ki gurudev dev hue hain aur devake rUpamen padhAre hain. aisA kuchh nahIn rakhanA, bahin! main to yahIn hUn, yahIn hUn, yahIn hUn. aisA tIn bAr kahA. devamen to aisI shakti hotI hai ki jahAn jAnA ho vahAn

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jA sakate hain. parantu yah panchamakAl hai isaliye kuchh dikhatA nahIn hai. manuShya kahIn jA nahIn sakate hain, parantu dev to jA sakate hain.

dev to bhagavAnakA darshan karane, vANI sunane, bhagavAnakA kalyANak jahAn hote hon vahAn dev jAte hain. jahAn pratimAen, mandir hon vahAn darshan karane (jAte hain). shAshvat pratimA hai, vahAn darshan karane jAte hain.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! sAkShAt padhAre ho to bhI Apako svapna lage aur sAkShAt padhAre ho, aisA bhI ho sakatA hai na.

samAdhAna- apaneko to svapna lage. gurudev to...

mumukShu- sAkShAt padhAre.

samAdhAna- devake ratnamay vastra thA, aise the.

mumukShu- vAtAvaraN to aisA ho gayA thA ki mAnon gurudev sAkShAt padhAre ho.

samAdhAna- vAtAvaraN to aisA ho gayA thA. us din dUj thI, parantu sabakA ullAs aisA thA.

mumukShu- khAs to Apako virahakA vedan huA aur usI rAt gurudev sAkShAt padhAre.

samAdhAna- gurudev to maujUd hI hai, kShetra-se dUr hai. sharIr badal gayA, bAkI gurudev to gurudev aur unakA AtmA to maujUd hI hai. devamen hai.

samAdhAna- bahut sunA hai vah karanA hai. AtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? ye sharIr.. Atmatattva ek antaramen bhinna hai. jo gnAnase bharA hai, jisamen Ananda bharA hai, ananta u guN bhare hain, aisA AtmA hai. usakI mahimA, usakI lagan lagAne jaisA hai. usake liye usakA vAnchan, vichAr sab vahI karanA hai. usakI apUrvatA lAkara. bAkI rUDhigatarUp- se jIvane bahut bAr sab kiyA, parantu kuchh apUrvatA nahIn lagI. kuchh apUrva karanA hai. is prakAr usakI lagan lagAkar, usakA vAnchan, vichAr, abhyAs karane jaisA hai.

bAkI AtmA, ek AtmAko lakShyamen rakhakar, AtmA par dRuShTi karake, use pahachAnakar sab AtmAmen-se pragaT hotA hai. AtmA hI ananta nidhi-se bharA hai. jo bhI pragaT hotA hai vah AtmAke Ashray-se pragaT hotA hai. gnAn, darshan, chAritrasab AtmAke Ashray- se pragaT hotA hai. use bAhar-se nimitta dev-guru-shAstra hote hain. bhagavAn mArga batAye. gurudevane is panchamakAlamen mArga batAyA. nimittamen mArga batAnevAle hote hain, karanA svayamko hai. shAstramen vah sab hai, parantu shAstrakA rahasya bhI gurudevane kholA hai.

mumukShu- kahIn na kahAn mAtAjI! aTak jAte hain. ApakI tarah dhArAvAhI .. nahIn hotA, ..

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samAdhAna- utanI svayamkI mandatA hai. jIvako kahIn-kahIn santoSh ho jAtA hai. isalaye Age nahIn baDh sakatA.

mumukShu- Age kaise baDhanA?

samAdhAna- jabatak Age nahIn baDhatA, tabatak usImen usIkA abhyAs karanA. usakA abhyAs karate-karate tIvratA hotI hai tab vah Age jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevane to bahut spaShTa kar-karake mArga sUkShma-sUkShma rIt-se samajhAyA hai. koI apUrva bAt samajhAyI hai. sab bAhar-se dharma hotA hai, aisA mAnate the. shubhabhAv- se, bAhya kriyA karane-se dharma hotA hai, aisA mAnate the.

gurudevane antar dRuShTi batAyI. dharma antaramen rahA hai. antaramen AtmAko pahachAne. AtmA kis svabhAvarUp hai? AtmAkA svarUp kyA? AtmAke dravya-guN-paryAy kyA hai? ye vibhAv kyA? ye paradravya kyA hai? pudagalake dravya-guN-paryAy, AtmAke dravya-guN-paryAy, use yathArtha pahichAne. aur sharIr-se bhinna, vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahIn hai, usase svayamko bhinna kare. bhinna karake antar AtmA ek apUrva anupam vastu hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna kare. to usamen-se hI dharma rahA hai.

dharma andar AtmAmen hai. bAhar-se dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, shubhabhAv Aye usase puNya bandhatA hai. parantu andar shuddhAtmAmen dharma rahA hai. aur us shuddhAtmAke dhyeyapUrvak shubhabhAvamen jinendra dev, guru, shAstra unakI mahimA Aye, chintavan kare, shAstra abhyAs kare. aisA sab kare. parantu ek AtmAkA dhyey honA chAhiye ki mujhe shuddhAtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? AtmA kaise bhinna paDe? anAdikA bhinna hai, parantu vah pariNati-se kaise nyArA ho? vah kaise ho? usakI lagan, usakI mahimA laganI chAhiye. bAkI sansAr to aise hI anAdikA chalatA hai.

gRuhasthAshramamen rahakar bhI AtmAkI ruchi ho, AtmA koI apUrva hai, usakI anupamatA lage to vahI karanA hai. gurudevane koI apUrva mArga batAyA hai. unakI vANI koI apUrva thI, unakA AtmA apUrva thA. unhonne alag prakAr-se sabako dRuShTi dI hai aur mArga batAyA hai. karanekA vahI hai.

mumukShu- hamen ye shubhabhAv yAtrAke bhAv Aye, ApakA darshanakA bhAv Aye, gurudev pratye ananya bhakti Ave. vah to Ate hI hain.

samAdhAna- shubhabhAv to Ayenge. shubhabhAv to Aye, parantu dhyey shuddhAtmAkA honA chAhiye. shubhabhAv to jignAsAkI bhUmikAmen Ave. samyagdRuShTiko shubhabhAv Ate hain, munionko shubhabhAv Ate hain. parantu samyagdRuShTiko andar bhedagnAn hotA hai ki shubhabhAv aur AtmA bhinna hai. usakI gnAyakakI pariNati bhinna rahatI hai. munionko shubhabhAv Ate hain. ve

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to shAstra rachate hain, bhagavAnake darshan karate hain. munionko bhI shubhabhAv Ate hain. parantu ve to chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hue AtmAkI svAnubhUti pratikShaN karate hain. aur samyagdRuShTiko shubhabhAv Ave to (use) bhedagnAnakI dhArA vartatI hai aur svAnubhUti use bhI hotI hai.

jignAsAkI bhUmikAmen bhI shubhabhAv Ate hain. jinendra devakI bhakti, gurukI bhakti, shAstra svAdhyAy Adi to hotA hai. parantu dhyey ek AtmAkA honA chAhiye. ye sab hotA hai, parantu puNyabandha hai. usase AtmAkA svarUp bhinna hai. yah dhyey honA chAhiye. parantu vah nahIn ho tabatak sAthamen to hotA hI hai. shubhabhAv to shuddhAtmAmen pUrNarUp- se sthir na ho jAy, tabatak shubhabhAv hote hain. parantu use shraddhA aisI yathArtha honI chAhiye ki merA AtmA in sab bhAvon-se bhinna hai. ye sab bhAv AkulatArUp hain, main shuddhAtmA bhinna hUn. aisI shraddhA honI chAhiye.

munion aur AchAyAko bhI bhagavAnakI bhakti AtI hai. stotrakI rachanA karate hain, shAstrakI rachanA karate hain. vah sab hotA hai. gRuhasthAshramamen ho vahAn ashubhabhAv-se bachaneko shubhabhAv to Ate hain. parantu dhyey ek AtmAkA honA chAhiye-shuddhAtmAkA.

gurudevane jo sAdhanA kI, bhagavAnane jo pUrNa svarUp prApti kiyA, shAstramen jo vastukA svarUp koI apUrva rIt-se AtA hai, usakA vichAr, vAnchan sab honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- hamArA dhyey to AtmA hai. parantu prApta karaneke liye koI saral vidhi? koI visheSh?

samAdhAna- usakI saral vidhi to usakA dhyey honA chAhiye. antaramen usakI laganI, mahimA, puruShArtha, bArambAr usakA abhyAs honA chAhiye. vah na ho tabatak dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, vah sab hotA hai. parantu use bArambAr puruShArtha, abhyAs honA chAhiye. AtmA kaise prApta ho? usakI laganI, mahimA, khaTak (lage). bAharamen kahIn use ruchi yA ras antaramen tanmayapane AtA nahIn. andaramen AtmA jise mahimArUp lage, bAharamen kahIn mahimA na lage. bAhar use mahimA nahIn AtI. antar AtmAmen hI koI apUrvatA hai, aisI use shraddhA honI chAhiye.

(gurudevane spaShTa karake) batA diyA hai, kahIn bhUl na paDe aisA. taiyArI svayamko karanI hai, puruShArtha svayamko karanA hai. bArambAr usIkA abhyAs, usIkA raTan, usakA manan karanA hai.

samAdhAna- .. pahale-se sAtaven-se ekadam jor-se chaDhate hain, parantu kShay karate hue nahIn chaDhate hain. ekadam vItarAg dashA ho jAtI hai. parantu DhakA ho aisA. phir vah sAtavemen A jAte hain. koI chauthemen A jAya. aise Ate hain. parantu ve chaDh jAte hain.

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upashAnta.

jise samyagdarshan hai, jo chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen jhulate hain, vAstavik bhAvalingIkI dashA hai, us vakta bhale upashAnt shreNi huyI, parantu vah to keval lenevAle hain, avashya. bhale ek bAr upasham shreNi ho gayI, bAdamen bhI koI bAr kShapakashreNi chaDhakar kevalagnAn avashya use honevAlA hai. chhaThaven-sAtaven guNasthAnamen bhAvalingI munidashA hai to kShapakashreNI to hotI hai. us bhavamen yA dUsare bhavamen kShapaN shreNI to hotI hai. jisako bhAvalingIkI dashA hai, bhItaramen munidashA hai, chhaThaven-sAtavemmen svAnubhUti antarmuhUrta-antarmuhUrtamen jAte hain, antarmuhUrtamen bAhar Ate hain, aisI svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT ho gayI. usako avashya kevalagnAn honevAlA hai. jisako samyagdarshan huA, usako bhI avashya kevalagnAn honevAlA hai. aur munidashA yathArtha huyI usako bhI avashya kevalagnAn honevAlA hai. vItarAg dashA honevAlI hai. usakA aisA puruShArtha avashya-avashya pragaT hotA hai. usakI pariNatikI dashA svarUp or chalI gayI hai, gnAyakakI dhArA hai aur vah to munidashA hai, svarUpamen lInatA bahut baDh gayI hai. avashya vItarAg dashA hotI hai, kevalagnAn hotA hai.

mumukShu- mukhyapane to kShapakashreNI hI hotI hai na? upasham shreNI to koI-koIko hotI hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, koI-koIko hotI hai.

mumukShu- .. gnAyak hUn, aisA khaNDa paDatA hai. kartA-hartA nahIn hai, main to svayamsiddha apane-se hI hUn.

samAdhAna- main gnAtA hUn, dRuShTA hUn ye sab guNonkA bhed paDatA hai.

mumukShu- vikalpa A jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- vikalpa guNonkA bhed hai. parantu dRuShTi to jo gnAyak hUn so hUn, merA astitva, gnAyakakA astitva grahaN kar liyA hai, basa. phir vah to jAnaneke liye hai ki main gnAn hUn, darshan hUn, chAritra hUn, ye sab vikalpa hai. vikalpakI dashA jabatak nirvikalpa dashA pUrNa nahIn hai, tabatak vikalpakI dashA to hai, parantu dRuShTi chaitanya par sthApit hai. usakI dRuShTi akhaNDa rahatI hai. samyagdRuShTikI dRuShTi chaitanya par jamI hai.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- phir lInatA hotI hai. sthiratA bAdamen hotI hai. pahale yathArtha dRuShTi hove, bhedagnAnakI dhArA hove, main gnAyak gnAyak hUn. usamen svAnubhUti hove samyagdarshanamen, visheSh lInatA bAdamen hotI hai.

jignAsuko to pahale dRuShTi yathArtha karanI chAhiye. main chaitanya gnAyak hI hUn. jo hUn so hUn. vikalpakA bhed vah main nahIn hUn. nirvikalpa tattva main hUn. aisA usakA nirNay

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karake dRuShTi chaitanya par sthApanI chAhiye. vikalpakA bhed to jAnaneke sab AtA hai. parantu dRuShTi to chaitanya par honI chAhiye.

... to dRuShTi chhUTe. bAharamen jisako mahatva lage, usakI dRuShTi bhItaramen chipakatI nahIn. bhItaramen mahatva lage to dRuShTi vahAn chipake.

mumukShu- abhI kar lene jaisA hai. deh chhUTaneke bAt to kahAn...

samAdhAna- bAharamen sab dharma mAn baiThe the.

mumukShu- gRuhIt mithyAtvamen dharma mAnate the.

samAdhAna- hAn, usamen mAnate the. usakA artha bhItaramen-se khol-kholakar gurudevane bahut batAyA hai. sUkShma-sUkShma karake. koI jAnatA hI nahIn thA. panchAstikAyakA artha kaun kar sakatA thA?

mumukShu- samayasArake liye to bolate the ki vah to muniyonkA grantha hai, gRuhasthonkA hai hI nahIn.

samAdhAna- gRuhasthonkA hai hI nahIn aisA kahate the.