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mumukShu- gnAnasattA anumAn-se khyAlamen AtI hai ki ye sab gnAt ho rahA hai to koI jAnanevAlA bhI hai. samvedan, agnAnIko samvedanarUp-se khyAlamen nahIn AtA hai. rAg-se bhinna kar sake yA anya gneyon-se bhinna kar sake, aisA samvedanarUp-se khyAlamen nahIn AtA hai. isaliye lakShaN khyAlamen nahIn AtA hai to phir lakShya par kaise jAnA?

samAdhAna- vah apanI kShati hai. anumAn gnAn bhI aisA hotA hai ki vah anumAn gnAn bhI satya anumAn hotA hai. pahale yathArtha anumAn karake lakShaNako grahaN kare to samvedan to andar nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai tab samvedan hotA hai. usake pahale jo gnAn lakShaN vidyamAn hI hai, asAdhAraN gnAnalakShaN svayam hI hai, anya nahIn hai, vah gnAnalakShaN asAdhAraN rUp hai, vah gnAnalakShaN to svayamko lakShyamen Aye aisA hI hai. parantu vah use grahaN nahIn hotA hai, mAtra anumAn-anumAn hotA hai. vah mAtra (isaliye ki) yathArtha prakAr-se use grahaN nahIn karatA hai.

nirvikalpa dashAmen yathArtha samvedan hotA hai. usake pahale bhI svayam gnAyakarUp-se svayam vidyamAn hI hai, usakA kahIn nAsh nahIn huA hai, usake astitvakA nAsh nahIn huA hai aur usakI gnAyakatA to gnAt ho hI rahI hai. parantu vah svayam jAnatA hI nahIn hai. parantu antaramen use utanI lage to grahaN hotA hai, use lagatI hI nahIn. buddhi- se anumAn karatA hai. parantu vah anumAn bhI vah yadi yathArtha prakAr-se anumAn, yukti- se grahaN kare to (ho sakatA hai). anumAn, yukti sab yathArtha hotA hai, parantu usake sAth-sAth vah Age jAnekA prayatna kare ki main gnAyak rUp hI virAjamAn hUn. to grahaN ho sake aisA hai. parantu vah karatA nahIn hai isaliye hotA nahIn hai. buddhi-se karake chhoD detA hai, parantu apanA astitva grahaN nahIn karatA hai aur karane jAy to svayam sAmAnya kShaNik grahaN karake chhoD detA hai. usakA abhyAs lambAtA nahIn.

gnAyakarUp abhyAsakA jIvan apanA banAtA hI nahIn. jo anAdikA ekatvabuddhikA jIvan hai aur vibhAvamay, shubhAshubh pariNAmakI dhArArUp jo jIvan chalA jAtA hai, vaise hI anAdikA jaise chalatA hai, vaise chalA jAtA hai. tIvramen-se manda, tIvra-manda, tIvra-manda aise chalA jAtA hai, parantu usakA jIvan jo gnAyakarUp palaTanA chAhiye, vah

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palaTatA hI nahIn, usamen svayamkA hI kAraN hai.

mumukShu- gnAyakakA jIvan nahIn jItA hai, usakA artha kyA?

samAdhAna- gnAyakarUp pariNati nahIn karatA hai. main gnAyak hUn, us jAtakI antar pariNati. jaise vibhAvakI pariNati sahaj ho rahI hai, aise gnAyakakI pariNati svayam sahajarUp karatA hI nahIn, jIvan jItA nahIn usakA artha yah hai. us jAtakA abhyAs kare to jIvan sahaj ho na. abhyAs hI thoDA karake chhoD detA hai. phir anAdikA pravAh hai usamen chalA jAtA hai. usakI khaTak rakhe, ruchi rakhe, aisA karatA hai parantu abhyAs nahIn karatA hai. ruchi aisI rakhatA hai ki yah gnAyak hai vahI karane jaisA hai, ye vibhAv meerA svabhAv nahIn hai, aisA buddhimen rakhatA hai, lekin us rUp pariNati yA abhyAs nahIn karatA hai, chhoD detA hai.

(koI) kar nahIn detA hai. ulajhanamen-se svayamko palaTanA paDatA hai. svayamko hI karanA hai. bhUkh lage to khAnekI kriyA svayam hI karatA hai. usamen kisIkA intajAr nahIn karatA hai. use bhUkhakA dukh sahan nahIn hotA hai. khAnekA prayatna svayamn hI karatA hai. jis jAtakA andar svayamko vedan hotA hai, (to prayatna bhI) svayam hI karatA hai. vaise yadi vAstavik vedan jAge to usakA puruShArtha svayam hI karatA hai. kisIkA intajAr nahIn karatA.

mumukShu- gurudevakI janma jayantike samay ApashrIne gurudevako svapnamen dekhA.

samAdhAna- (gurudevakA) jIvan-darshan, charaN Adi sab thA (to aisA huA), itanA sundar hai, aisemen gurudev padhAre to bahut achchhA lage. ye svAdhyAy mandirakI shobhA kuchh lage. gurudev virAjate ho to kuchh alag lage. aise hI vichAr Ate the. gurudev padhAre, padhAre, padhAro aisA hotA thA. isaliye prAtakAlamen aisA huA ki mAnon gurudev svapnamen devamen-se padhAre. devamen-se devake rupamen aur dev jaise vastra. ratnakA mugaT, hAr, vastra Adi devake rUpamen hI the. isaliye kahA, gurudev padhAro. to gurudevane kahA, bahin! aisA kuchh rakhanA nahIn, main to yahIn hUn. mujhe tIn bAr kahA, main yahIn hUn, aisA kuchh rakhanA nahIn.

mumukShu- tIn bAr kahA?

samAdhAna- hAn, tIn bAr kahA. gurudevakI AgnA hai to mAn lUn. in sabhIko bahut dukh hai. gurudev us vakta kuchh bole nahIn. sun liyA. us din mAhol aisA ho gayA thA ki mAnon gurudev hai. svapna to utanA hI thA. gurudev devake rUpamen padhAre.

mumukShu- vastra sab devake hI pahane the.

samAdhAna- devake vastra, devake rUpamen hI the.

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mumukShu- sar par mugaT pahanA thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, mugaT Adi.

mumukShu- AkRuti, mukhAkRuti...

samAdhAna- devake rUpamen, parantu svapnamen pahachAn le ki ye gurudev hain. AkRuti Adi sab dev jaisA. yahAn-se thoDA pharka hotA hai. yahAn bhI aise hI the. parantu rUp devakA thA. parantu pahachAn ho jAy ki gurudev devake rUpamen padhAre hain. gurudev dev hue hain aur devake rupamen padhAre hain. aise svapnamen jAn sakate hain.

mumukShu- ApakA vArtAlAp tIrthankar aur guNadharakA ho vaisA vArtAlAp svapnamen huA hogA?

samAdhAna- mAhol aisA ho gayA ki gurudev hai. usake bAd mAhol (aisA ho gayA ki), sUryakIrti bhagavAn padhAre, vah sab usake bAd huA. mainne to kisIko kuchh kahA nahIn thA. usake bAd huA. prANabhAI Adi sabane ghoShaNA kI, usake bAd huA.

mumukShu- usake bAd har gAmvamen sUryakIrti bhagavAn padhAre.

mumukShu- prANabhAI ek-DeDh sAl-se sUryakIrti bhagavAnakA kahate the.

samAdhAna- pahale nahIn kahA thA. us din rathayAtrA nikalI. sabako gurudev virAjate hon aur kaisA ho, aisA sabako manamen to hotA hai, parantu vAtAvaraN aisA ho gayA. nahIn to har sAl to...

manuShyamen shakti nahIn hotI. devonko to sab shakti hotI hai. har jagah jAnekI, AnekI, bhagavAnake pAs jAy, gurudev sImandhar bhagavAnake pAs jAte hain. unhen to avadhignAn- se sab jAnanekI shakti (hai). upayog rakhe to bharatakShetra, videhakShetra yahAn baiThakar bhI dekh sakate hain. avadhignAn-se jAn sake aisI devonkI shakti hotI hai. gurudev to virAjate hI hain. devamen to bhagavAnake pAs jAte hain.

mumukShu- ApakI mangal chhatrachhAyAmen .. ujavAyegA. Apako AshIrvAd de jAy aur sabako sunane mile aisI bhAvanA bhAte hain. bAr-bAr unhen svapnamen darshan de aur hamako unake mukh-se sunaneko mile.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnake rUpamen gurudev padhAranevAle hain. apane bhAv-se sthApanA karate hain. jinapratimA jin sArIkhi. vicharate honge us din to pUjA, bhakti hogI, abhI to der hai, parantu yahAn abhI sthApanA karake pUjA, bhakti gurudevakI karanI hai. yahAn padhArenge tab bharatakShetrakI pUrI dishA badal jAyagI. pUrA bharatakShetrakA vAtAvaraN yahAn tIrthankar bhagavAn (honge). chhaThThA kAl jAyagA aur usamen-se ekadam parivartan AyegA. bharatakShetramen utsarpiNI kAl AyegA. sab baDhatA huA AyegA. vRuddhigat hotA jAyegA. mahApadmaprabhu bhagavAn

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jab padhArenge taba. amuk gnAn Adi jo abhI nahIn hai, vah sab us vakta pragaT hogA. muni, shrAvak, shrAvikA saba. bhagavAn bharatakShetramen padhArenge taba. abhI panchamakAl (chal rahA hai), chhaThThA kAl AyegA, phir mahApadmaprabhu bhagavAn padhAranevAle honge tab is bharatakShetrakI dishA pUrI badal jAyegI.

... yahAn dishA palaTakar gaye hain. sab kriyAmen dharma mAnate the. gurudevane pUrI dishA badal dI. sabako antar dRuShTi karavAkar sabako muktike mArga par chaDhA diyA. gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya thA. unhonne tIrthankar jaisA kAm is panchamakAlake bhAgya-se kar gaye.

mumukShu- .. kitanI karuNA thI aur phir vah rAg ekadam kaise (chhUT gayA)?

samAdhAna- vahA rAg unakA ekatvabuddhikA nahIn thA. karuNA-kRupA thI ki ye sab jIv AtmAkA svarUp samajhe. bAr-bAr kahate the, samajho, samajho. unhen sabako samajhAnekI karuNA thI. nispRuh aur ekadam virakta the. unhen ekatvabuddhi thI nahIn. samAjakA pratibandh ho to ve aisA kahate the, main pUrA samAj chhoDakar akelA chalA jAUngA. aisI unakI nispRuh pariNati thI.

sthAnakavAsImen kahate the na, sampradAy chhoD dUngA. main kahIn sampradAyake bandhanamen rahanevAlA nahIn hUn. un par koI pratibandha kare to (chalatA nahIn thA). gurudev to apratibandha the. un par kisIkA pratibandha nahIn thA. vAtsalya-karuNA thI sab jIvon para. sab jIv kaise samajhe?

mumukShu- abhI sUryakIrtinAth bhagavAnako jinAlayamen pUjanekI bhAvanA huyI. usake phalamen sAkShAt pUjanekA lAbh samavasaraNamen milegA.

samAdhAna- mil jAyagA. bhAvanA abhI-se taiyAr ho to sAkShAt lAbh mil jAya. yahAn samIp lAkar bhagavAnake rUpamen pUjate hain. jo kAlakI bAt hai, kAlakI samIp sthApanA karake pUjA karate hain. gurudev sAkShAt bhagavAn honge tab dUsarI bAr lAbh milegA.

mumukShu- abhI bhAvakA antar TUTA, us vakta kAlakA TUTegA.

samAdhAna- hAn. dUsarI bAr samavasaraNamen sAnnidhyamen divyadhvani sunanekA yog milegA. abhI unakI vANI sunanekA yog to thA hI. sImandhar bhagavAnakI jaise amuk kAlamen vANI chhUTatI hai, vaise gurudevakI vANI chhUTatI hI rahatI thI. niyam anusAra. mahApadma prabhu bhagavAn yahAn pratham tIrthankar honge. bIchamen is panchamakAlamen aisA achchhA kAl A gayA. gurudev padhAre vah (kAl A gayA).

mumukShu- gurudev ..

samAdhAna- koI Ashcharya hai is panchamakAlamen aise puruSh panchamakAlamen jAge, vah

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ek achambhA Ashcharya hai. is panchamakAlamen aise tIrthankar bhagavAnakA dravya yahAn Aye aur aisI vANI barasAye, vah koI AshcharyakI bAt hai. videhakShetramen bhagavAnakI dhvani sunanevAle, jo bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain, aur aise hunDAvasarpiNI panchamakAlamen yahAn gurudev padhAre, ek achambhA, AshcharyakI bAt hai. jIvonkA mahAbhAgya ki yahAn padhAre.

aisI unakI vANI, aisA unakA shrutagnAn vah ek mahAachambhA, AshcharyakI bAt hai is panchamakAlamen. bahut muni hote hain, parantu gurudev tIrthankar svarUpamen pUre samAjake bIch rahakar aisI vANI itane sAl barasAyI, vah to kitane samay bAd mahAbhAgya-se banatA hai. munion to jangalamen (hon yA nagaramen) Aye tab vANI barasAye. ye to samAjake bIch rahakar aisI vANI barasAyI. ye to koI AshcharyakI bAt hai. bharatakShetramen Aye. bharatakShetrakA mahAbhAgya ki gurudev yahAn padhAre.

mumukShu- gaNadhar Adi muni bhagavant Adi ho, deshanAkA kAl na ho to aise kAlamen dUsaronko deshanA dete honge?

samAdhAna- vahAn hotA hai. munionke sAth

prashna-charchA kare. aisA sab kare. jab deshanAkA kAl nahIn ho taba. .. chAron (sangh) Ave aisA nahIn hotA. jaise bhagavAnamen chAron (sangh) AtA hai, shrAvak, shrAvikA, muni, ArjikA divyadhvani sunaneko ikaTThe hote hain, vaisA samay nishchit hotA hai, aisA dUsarekA hotA hai, parantu amuk-amuk logonko upadesh de, kisIke sAth charchA-prashna kare.

mumukShu- kundakundAchArya dUsare munionke sAth charchA kI, to samavasaraNamen yA samavasaraNake bAhar?

samAdhAna- samavasaraNamen charchA-prashna karanemen koI dikkat nahIn hai. charchA-prashna kare. bhagavAnakI dhvanikA kAl na ho taba.

mumukShu- bhAShA to yahAnkI alag, vahAnkI alag (hotI hai to..)?

samAdhAna- bhAShA alag yAnI Arya bhAShA hotI hai. bhAShA koI navIn jAtakI nahIn hotI. jo amuk jAtakI bhAShA hai ki itanI Arya bhAShA aur itanI anArya bhAShA, isaliye Arya bhAShA hotI hai, aisI Arya bhAShA hotI hai. ye sab bhAShA hindI, gujarAtI sab Arya bhAShA hai. anArya bhAShA nahIn hotI. sanskRit, mAgadhI sab shAstriy bhAShA hai. ye sab bolanekA bhAShA hai vah Arya bhAShA hai. aisI Arya bhAShA (hotI hai). mahAvideh kShetramen sab Arya bhAShA hotI hai.

bhagavAnakA upadesh to alag hI hotA hai. divyadhvani to ekAkSharI dhvani (hotI hai). koI alag jAtakA bhagavAnakA upadesh hai. dUsareke sAth prashna-charchA kare vah bhedavAlI bhAShA hotI hai. kShayopasham gnAnamen-se nikalI huyI bhAShA vah bhedavAlI bhAShA hai. bAkI

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hotI Arya bhAShA. bhagavAnakI bhAShA, vItarAgI dhvani, kevalagnAnamen virAjate bhagavAnakI dhvanimen andar ananta rahasya Ate hain. aur bhed nahIn hokar, amuk prakArakI bhAShA (hotI hai). bhagavAnakI divyadhvani alag bAt hai. bhagavAnake upadeshakI shailI alaga. unakI vANI ichchhA binA nikale koI alag jAtakI.

samAdhAna- darshan, gnAn, chAritra antaramen hai, bAhar nahIn hai. samyagdarshan, mAtra jIv, ajIv AdikA pATh bol liyA athavA usakI shraddhA kI isaliye tattva darshan aise nahIn hotA. athavA mAtra sab sIkh liyA isaliye gnAn ho gayA aisA nahIn hai. athavA mahAvrat pAle isaliye vrat A gaye aisA nahIn hotA. parantu andar AtmAmen darshan hai. AtmAkA jo svabhAv hai, vah svabhAv pahichanAkar usakI shraddhA kare to samyagdarshan hai. AtmAko pahichAne to sachchA gnAn hotA hai. AtmAmen lInatA kare to sachchA vrat hotA hai. mAtra bAhar-se nahIn hotA hai. bAhar-se mAtra shubhabhAv hote hain.

mumukShu- lInatA karanI kaise? samAdhAna- usakI paddhati to andar bhedagnAn kare to ho. sachchA gnAn kare, usakA vichAr kare, usakA vAnchan kare, sachche dev-guru-shAstrako pahichAne. vah kahe us mArga par chale. andar usakI lagan lagAye, usakI mahimA lagAye, usakA vichAr kare, vAnchan kare, usakA abhyAs kare AtmAkA to hotA hai. sachchA svarUp pahichAne to ho.