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mumukShu- .. din bhI hai, isaprakAr parivartan karanemen pUjya gurudevane jo mahAn vIrya prakaT kiyA hogA, usamen kaun-kaunasI shaktine kAm kiyA hogA, yah Ap samajhAIye to gurudevake mangal dravyake bAremen hamen kuchh khyAl Aye.

samAdhAna- vah to aisA hai ki sab sahaj Aye aisA hai. maien kuchh kahun, aisA kachhu nahIn hai.

mumukShu- thoDA-thoDA...

samAdhAna- ek to gurudevakA kyA prasang banA vah hotA hai, bAkI kuchh pUchhe to nikale. gurudevane pahalese unhen kuchh samay bAd nakkI ho gayA thA ki yah sampradAy alag hai aur sabakuchh bhinna hai. isaliye unhen hRudayamen hI aisA ho gayA thA ki ye sab chhoDane jaisA hai. aur nakkI kiyA thA ki (ye chhoD denA hai).

pahale to sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen barAbar usakI kriyAyonkA pAlan karate the aur barAbar (pAlate the), usamen thoDA bhI pharka nahIn paDatA thA. unake shAstramen jo likhA ho vaise hI ve barAbar pAlate the. vhoranekI-AhArakI, vihArakI Adi sab kriyAen jo unake sthAnakavAsI shAstrommen hotI hai, vaisI hI pAlate the. usamen jitane kapaDe rakhanA likhA ho, kaise vihAr karanA Adi sab vaisA hI karate the. unakI AharakI kriyAen jaise shAstramen AtA thA, us anusAr unhen thoDA bhI pharka nahIn paDe, isaprakAr karate the. dUsare sAdhu kitane hI kapaDonkA Dher kare, kitanA kuchh kare aisA sab gurudev nahIn karate the.

ek gAmvamen amuk dinonse jyAdA nahIn rahanA, aisA gurudev karate the. barAbara. sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen to mukhya sAdhu, mahAn sAdhu kahalAte the. AhAr lene jAy to kuchh pharka paDe, koI yuvAn mar jAy, koI pAnIko sparsha kar le, unake liye banAyA hai aisA mAlUm paDe to turanta aise vApas muD jAte the, mAno bijalIke chamakArekI bhAnti. dUsaronko sadamA pahunchatA ki aise mahApuruSh hamAre ghar padhAre aur vApas jA rahe hain. aisI unakI kriyA thI. AhAr lene padhAre tab sab kAmpate the ki hamase koI bhUl na ho jAye. aisI sakhta kriyA thI. aur dUsare sAdhu the, aisA hai, aisA hai, aisA sab (hotA thA).

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gurudevako kuchh nahIn thA. nispRuh jaisI unakI kriyAen sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen joradAr thI.

usamen unhen khyAl AyA ki munipanA to koI alag hI hai, yah munipanA nahIn hai. yah sab to (munipanA nahIn hai). munipanA to digambarakA kundakundAchAryane kahA vah munitva hai, yah nahIn hai. isaliye unhen pheraphAr karanekA vichAr AyA ki isamen rahanA aur ye sab unakI kriyAen, andar ye dashA! munikI dashA to alag hotI hai (aur) ye sab alag hai. isaliye unhen pheraphAr karanekA vichAr AyA.

mumukShu- jaisI AgnA ho, us anusAr hI thA aur usamen bhI kisI bhI prakArakA..

samAdhAna- bhagavAnakI jo AgnA hai us AgnA anusAr barAbar pAlan karanA. aise unhonne antar vairAgyase dIkShA lI thI, isaliye ve barAbar vaisA hI pAlate the aur mahAtmA kahalAte the. mahAn kahalAte the. phir unhen aisA lagA ki yah jUThA hai. parantu unakI khyAti itanI thI ki is sampradAyako dhakkA pahunchegA. isaliye bahut vichAr kiyA. ek sAth bol nahIn pAtI hUn, thoDI der bAd bolatI hUn.

... sthAnakavAsI sampradAyakA bandhan na ho, shAnt.. sonagaDhamen koI nahIn thA, sthAnakavAsIkA aisA koI jor nahIn thA, isaliye yahAn unhonne pasand kiyA. yahAn haragovindabhAI Adi the, yahAn hIrAbhAIke bangalemen sab nakkI kiyA. lekin chhoDaneke bAd bahut virodh huA. virodhI akhabAr bahut nikale the. sab bhaktonko pUchhate ki ye sab chhoDanA hai. sabako bahut prem thA, gurudev Apako jo kiyA, vah barAbar hai. kitane to aisA hI kahate the. phir to sab log muDane lage.

mumukShu- khAsakar jo samajhadAr varga thA, vah sab..

samAdhAna- samajhakar hI kiyA hogA, aisA jinake hRudayamen gurudevakA sthAn ho gayA thA, ve sabakuchh AtmArthake liye hI karane vAle hain, unakA gnAn koI alag hai, aisA sab mAnate the. ve sab muDane lage. pahale to khAs nahIn Aye. bahut virodhI akhabar Aye na isaliye. kuchh log (aisA kahate the), gurudev! Ap jahAn jAoge vahAn ham Ayenge. Ap jo kahate ho, sab kabUl hai. kitane hI bhAI, kitane hI bahanen sab taiyAr the. yahAn jorAvaranagaramen bahut logonko gurudev pUchhate the. vaDhavANake dAsabhAI, maganabhAI sabako kahate the. pahale to yahAn jorAvaranagaramen karanA thA, lekin vahAn chAron or sthAnakavAsI (rahate the), surendranagaramen sthAnakavAsI, vaDhavANamen sthAnakavAsI, bIchamen jorAvaranagar thA. vah chhoTA thA, lekin bIchamen rahanese to virodh hogA, isaliye yahAn nakkI kiyA.

shrImadake Ashram vAle kahate the ki hamAre Ashramamen padhAriye. lekin gurudev kahate

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the ki main vaise nahIn rah pAUngA. main to kundakundAchAryakA mArga pravartan karungA, aise nahIn rah pAUngA. vanechand seTh vAnkAnerake the, unhonne kahA, hamAre Ashramamen-shrImadake Ashramamen (rahIe). mAtra shrImadakA hI nahIn, main to kundakundAchAryakA mArga prakAshit kar sakatA hUn. bahut vichAr karaneke bAd gurudevane chhoDA. kitane hI bhakta to mAnate the ki gurudev jo kahate hain vah barAbar hai. kuchh bahanen, kuchh bhAIon.

pahale yahAn sonagaDhamen to bahut log nahIn the. hameshA rahane vAle bahut thoDe the. isaliye hIrAbhAIke bangalemen (nakkI kiyA). hajAronkI janasankhyAke bIch vyAkhyAn dete the. kahate the, yahAn to apane AtmAkA karanA hai. bIch vAlA hol thA, usamen paDhate the. ek lAIn bhAIonkI, ek lAIn bahanonkI. bahanonkI kuchh DeDh lAIn hotI thI. utane log shurUAtamen the. phir dhIre-dhIre baDhane lage. pratham chAturmAsamen hI boTAdase bahut log Aye. phir dhIre-dhIre baDhate gaye. phir hameshA rahane vAle to kam the. us kamaremen..

mumukShu- dhIre-dhIre boliye, lagAtAr mat boliye.

samAdhAna- phir log baDhe to hIrAbhAIke dAlAnamen paDhate the. utanen samA jAte the. utanemen gurudev kahate the, yahAn shAnti hai. vahAn sab shAstra bahut paDhate the. lekin sthAnakavAsIke akhabAramen to bahut AtA thA. muhapattikA parivartan kiyA, sthAnakavAsI sampradAy chhoDA, kitanA kuchh akhabar to AtA hI rahatA thA.

mumukShu- gurudev chAritrAshramamen rahe the?

samAdhAna- chAritrAshramamen nahIn rahe hain. vahAn nahIn rahe. vahAn to gurudevako nimantraN de, aisA koI mahAvIr jayanti AdikA prasang ho to us vakta gurudevako nimantraN de ki vahAn padhAre, isaliye gurudev vahAn jAte the. bAkI vahAn rahe nahIn hai. unakA koI bhakti AdikA kAryakram hotA thA, tab nimantraN dete the. isaliye gurudev vahAn jAte the. bAkI vahAn rahe nahIn.

mumukShu- vahAn pravachan dete the?

samAdhAna- gurukulamen. .. ki hajAronkI janasankhyAmen jo sinh dahADatA thA, vah sonagaDhake chhoTe ekAnta sthAnamen baiThe-baiThe svAdhyAy karate the.

mumukShu- antarakI kitanI nispRuhatA! bAharamen itanA sanmAn ho, lekin mujhe mere AtmAkA karanA hai, is ek hI (dhyey) par pUrA..

samAdhAna- pUrA pheraphAr kar diyA. bAhar kuchh aur andar kuchh, aisA nahIn. chhoD diyA.

mumukShu- sthAnakavAsI vAle kahate the ki, Ap vah shAstra paDhiye.

samAdhAna- hAn, sthAnakavAsI vAlonne bahut kahA, unako rAjakoTamen mAlUm paDA,

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prANajIvan mAstarane kahA, yahAn hamAre sampradAyamen rahIye. Apako jo paDhanA ho vah paDhiye. Apako bangalA dete hain, Ap usamen rahIe. gurudev kahate, nahIn, mujhe nahIn chAhiye. hamAre sthAnakavAsI sampradAyako dhakkA lagatA hai ki, yah galat hai. Apako jo karanA hai vah karIye. mujhe aisA nahIn karanA. (kisIkI) nindA nahIn, rAg nahIn.

phir to shurUAtamen kitane hI samay tak gurudevane vihAr nahIn kiyA. phir vihAr kare to virodh (kare). pahale ek bAr virodh nahIn, lekin (samvat) 1999kI sAlamen to bahut virodh huA. haraek gAmvamen gurudevake bhakta A jAte the, jahAn svAgat hone vAlA ho. chAron orase A jAte the. utanA virodha. ek punamachandajI mahArAj the, vah sAth-sAth rahate the aur gurudeva. gurudev jahAn AhAr lene jAye, vahAn dUsarI galImen ve AhAr lene jAye. gurudevake sAth bhaktonkA jhunD aur svAgatamen ek or unakA svAgat aur ek or ye svAgata. utanA virodh thA. parantu gurudevakA to UnchA hI thA. unake svAgatamen bahut log Ate the. AhAr lene padhAre us samay bhI utane hI loga. unake sAth khAs koI nahIn thA, parantu pratyek gAmvamen Ate the, jahAn gurudev jAe vahAn Ate the. sAth-sAth vyAkhyAn rakhe. lekin sthAnakavAsIkA virodh maryAdit thA. maryAdA chhoDakar virodh nahIn kiyA.

mumukShu- bahinashrI! gurudevakA dravya tIrthankar dravya hai, aisA usI samay Apako bhanak lag gayI thI? khyAl A gayA thA?

samAdhAna- us vakta to.. jabatak khyAlamen nahIn thA, tabatak kuchh nahIn. gurudev bAhar nahIn bolate the ki, mujhe hRudayamen aisA AtA hai ki main tIrthankar hone vAlA hUn. gurudev bhI nahIn bolate the. gurudev sampradAyamen the. aur yahAn hIrAbhAIke bangalemen Akar svayam bAhar kuchh nahIn bolate the. mujhe kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA ki gurudev aisA kuchh kahate hain. aur mujhe svayamko aisA lagatA thA ki koI mahApuruSh hai. aisA hotA thA, lekin yah tIrthankar dravya hai, aisA us vakta nahIn AyA thA. lekin AtmAmen lInatA karate hain, aisA lagatA thA ki gurudevako kahIn dekhA hai. aisA hotA thA. gurudev tIrthankar hone vAle hain, aisA nahIn AyA thA. gurudevako kahIn dekhA hai, aisA hotA thA.

surat the tab himmatabhAIko kahatI thI, mainne gurudevako kahIn dekhA hai. kahAn dekhA hai, kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. tIrthankarakA nahIn AyA thA. vah to jab andar AyA tab ekadam AyA, ye tIrthankar hone vAle hain. aisA ekadam kaise Aye? ye to mahApuruSh hain, aisA lagatA thA. samavasaraN Adi, sthAnakavAsImen samavasaraN kaisA mAnate hain? tIn gaDh mAnate haiain, aisA sab mAnate hain. us vakta shurUAtamen to tattvake shAstra paDhate the. koI purAN Adi nahIn paDhA thA. samavasaraNamen aise vRukSha hote hain yA aisA hotA hai,

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aisA kuchh paDh nahIn thA. vah sab to andarase AyA hai.

(samvat) 1993-94men to shAstra hI paDhate the. samayasAr, pravachanasAr Adi paDhate the. purAN us vakta nahIn paDhe the, bAdamen sab paDhe. gurudev tIrthankar hone vAle hain, aisA gurudev kahate bhI nahIn the. mujhe AyA tab mainne gurudevako kahA. mujhe aisA lagatA thA ki main gurudevako kahatI hUn to gurudevako kyA lagegA? mujhe kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA ki gurudev mAnate hain. mujhe mAlUm nahIn thA.

mumukShu- bAdamen gurudevane spaShTa kiyA ki mujhe..

samAdhAna- bAdamen spaShTa kahA, gurudev svayamkA hRuday kahate hain, mujhe kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. gurudev to vichAr karake mAne, mujhe aisA kahate-kahate Dar lagatA thA ki gurudev kyA kahenge, Ap mujhe ye kyA kahate ho? gurudev mAn lenge, aisA nahIn thA. gurudevako to antarase AyA thA isaliye gurudevako to ekadam pramod huA.

mumukShu- unako AbhAs hotA thA, usakI dRuDhatA ho gayI, jab Apane bAt kI taba.

samAdhAna- bahut samayase, main tIrthankar hUn, (aisA lagatA hai).

mumukShu- us vakta hI sAthamen samavasaraNakI rachanA AdikA khyAl AyA?

samAdhAna- sab sAthamen AyA. bahut kahatI nahIn hUn, thoDA kahA hai.

mumukShu- AjakA mangal din hai. Apake mukhase jitanA sunanA milatA hai, vah sab AshcharyakArI lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev tIrthankar hone vAle hain, usakA mujhe svayamko Ashcharya lagA ki mujhe ye kyA AyA? mujhe bhI mAlUm nahIn thA.

mumukShu- gurudevako kaisA pramod AyA hogA.

samAdhAna- tIrthankar bhagavAnakA nAm Aye ... unakA svayamkA hRuday bolatA thA. pravachanamen A jAye, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, aisA bolate the. ye to mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai, aisA bolate the. trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, isase visheSh kyA chAhiye? gurudevako pramod A gayA thA.

mumukShu- ham logonko sunanese kitanA pramod AtA hai. Apane kahA isaliye gurudevako lagA, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA.

samAdhAna- vah to aspaShTa bolate the, kisIko samajhamen Aye aise nahIn bolate the. gurudev jAhir nahIn karate the.

mumukShu- Apane jo khyAl AyA, isaliye aisA lagA ki aisA bhAv huA. mumukShu- gurudevake dIkShA leneke bAd do sAl bAd kuchh pratibhAs huA thA?

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samAdhAna- unako svapna AyA thA. aisA kahate the, is kShetrakA sharIr nahIn, sharIr alag (thA), aisA kahate the. rAjakumArakA. spaShTa svapna AyA thA. rAjakumArakA veSh thA aur main rAjakumAr hUn.

mumukShu- vahAn rAjakumAr the, isaliye mudrA bhI ...

samAdhAna- mujhe yah bhI mAlUm nahIn thA ki gurudevako svapna AyA hai, ye mujhe nahIn mAlUm nahIn thA. sab gurudevane bAdamen kahA.

mumukShu- mel khA gayA. vahAn rAjakumAr the to vahAn bhI mudrA pratibhAshAlI hogI na?

samAdhAna- vah to vaisI hI hogI na. gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya, rAjakumAr aur Uparase tIrthankarakA dravya, isaliye pratApashAlI hI hogI na. jaldI svIkAre nahIn. svayam to kitanA vichAr karake tattvakA nirNay karate the, mArgakA kitanA vichAr karake unhonne nirNay kiyA. koI kahe isaliye mAn jAye aise nahIn the. svayamko antarase lage to mAne.

mumukShu- gurudevakI prakRitimen vah bAt nahIn thI ki kisIkA mAn le.

samAdhAna- mAn le aise the hI nahIn. kitane nispRuh the, kisIkA mAne kyA? antarase Aye to hI mAne.

mumukShu- Apane bhI kab kahA, ki Apako bhI jab pakkA bharosA honeke bAd hI Apane kahA.

samAdhAna- kitanA pakkA ho to hI bAharamen bol sakate hain. gurudevake pAs kahanA vah koI jaisI-taisI bAt nahIn thI.

mumukShu- aur yah bhI koI sAdhAraN bAt nahIn thI. bole to bhI aisA lage ye kyA bolate hain?

samAdhAna- gurudevako kahUn kaise? gurudev kahIn aisA kahenge ki, Ap bahut mahimA karate ho. aisA kahenge to? aisA hotA thA. gurudevako kahanA vah to... kitanI utanI shakti aur mahApuruSha. bolate samay aisA lage ki gurudevako kahanA yAnI kyA! kitanA pakkA ho tabhI kah sakate hain.

mumukShu- bAt aTal ho to hI Ap karo na, nahIn to Ap nahIn karate.

samAdhAna- andar pakkA ho to hI bol sakate hain, nahIn to bole hI nahIn.

mumukShu- ApakI prakRiti to ekadam nahIn bolanekI prakRiti hai.

samAdhAna- jo bhI ho, apane AtmAke prayojanase yahAn Aye ho to binA vichAr kiye kyA bolanA?

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mumukShu- samay A gayA hai, vah DAyarI prakAshit karo to achchhA.

samAdhAna- sab sankShepamen kah diyA.

mumukShu- ab to samay A gayA hai. Apane kahA thA na, dravya-kShetra-kAl- bhAv dekhakar karenge.

samAdhAna- kAl kyA hai? mAhol kaisA ho gayA hai?

mumukShu- yahAnkA mAhol to bahut achchhA ho gayA hai. sab shAnta ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- gurudevane jAhir kar diyA hai. jo-jo kahane jaisA thA, vah sab gurudev sabako kahate hI the.

mumukShu- gurudev aisA pharamAte the ki merI thoDI-thoDI bAt kare aur unakI koI bAt nahIn karate, aisA gurudev kahate the.

samAdhAna- apane liye kyA kahanA? apane to gurudevakI prabhAvanA... gurudev mahApuruSh hain, unako kahanI rahatI hai, main kyA bolUn?

mumukShu- vahAn samavasaraNamen munionkA samUh ho aur aisI bhAvanA ho, bhAte ho, aisA hotA hai... aisA kuchha.

mumukShu- gurudev yah kahate the ki jo kahate hain, vah to bahut thoDA kahate hain, andar to bahut hai.

samAdhAna- poninTa-poninTa gurudev kahate the. .. tab samavasaraNamen padhAre the. samavasaraN hotA hai.. Adi.

mumukShu- nAraNabhAI gurudevako ek bAr subah kahate the, ki ham log munionke sAth, kundakundAchAryake sAth charchA karate the. us vakta ham chAron or khaDe the.

samAdhAna- kundakundAchArya padhAre...