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kundakundAchAryake viShayamen mujhe jyAdA kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA, vah bhI sab aise hI AyA thA. thoDA mAlUm thA ki mahAvidehakShetramen (gaye the), usake bAremen bhI kuchh jyAdA mAlUm nahIn thA. prArambhamen (samvat) 1993-94ke varShamen kuchh jyAdA mAlUm nahIn thA. jyAdA to bAdamen mAlUm huA. kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. parantu yah sab bAt gurudev sampradAyamen the us vakta bAharamen kuchh bolate bhI nahIn the. phir sampradAy (samvat) 1991men chhoDaneke bAd turanta kuchh nahIn bole. unhonne us vakta svayamne koI mel nahIn kiyA. rAjakumArakA svapna AyA, aisA bolate bhI nahIn the. lekin unako chandramAke jyAdA svapna Ate the to unako aisA lagatA thA ki men chandramense AyA hUn? unako chandrake bahut svapna Ate the. lekin yah kahA isaliye unhonne vah svapna yAd kiyA ki mujhe rAjakumArakA svapna AyA hai ki main rAjakumAr hUn. lekin is bharatakShetrakA rAjakumAr nahIn. sharIr baDA thA, aisA bolate the. mainne kahA na. dopaharako kahA, sharIr alag prakArakA thA. abhIkA sharIr nahIn, aisA ve bolate the. is kShetrakA sharIr nahIn, aisA bolate the. jharIke vastra, paghaDI bAndhI thI, aisA svapna AyA thA unako. jharIkA aisA, bolate the. kisIne nahIn sunA thA, mainne to kahAn sunA hogA? dUsare kisI bhaktane bhI nahIn sunA thA.

mumukShu- unhonne kahA hI nahIn thA. uttara- kahA hI nahIn thA, isaliye kaise (mAlUm paDe)? .... chandra, chandra, chandra, chaturthIkA, panchamIkA chandramA hI dikhatA thA. (aisA svapna AtA thA ki), pUre AkAshamen pATiye. vah to unhen bahut AtA thA. shAstrakA pATiyA. lekin yah chandrake bahut (Ate the). lekin vah to prabhAvanA sambandhit chandrake svapna Ate the. chandrake svapna bahut Ate the. chandramA jyotiShI devamense AyA hUn? aisA ho jAtA thA. chandramAke svapna bahut Ate the.

main tIrthankarakA jIv hI hUn, tIrthankar hUn, aisA unako antaramense AtA hI rahatA thA. kisIko mAlUm nahIn thA unako aisA AtA hai. (trilokInAthane) TIkA lagAyA, ab tujhe kyA chAhiye? aisA bolate the. "lahi bhavyatA moTun mAn'. trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, aur kyA chAhiye? pravachanamen alag prakArase bAt Aye, isaliye pakaDamen A

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jAye ki isamen aisA kahanA chAhate hain. koI bAtake bIchamen bole, isaliye khyAl A jAye. mukhamudrA par jo ullAs ho, vah dikhalAI detA hai na? tIrthankar hUn, aisA mujhe AtA thA. itanA. ... kuchh nahIn pUchhA. dUsarA to kuchh pUchhe. mujhe lagatA thA, gurudevako batAnA koI AsAn bAt nahIn thI. gurudevane sab shAstrake rahasya prakAshit kiye. shvetAmbar shAstra evan digambar shAstra (paDhaneke bAd), shvetAmbaramen sab jUThA hai, sab nakkI kiyA. itanI satyake parIkShak, unake Age kahanA vah koI (AsAn nahIn thA). usamen bhI bhAIon bhI gurudevake Age kuchh kahanemen Darate hain, to bahanonko bolanA vah to kitanI baDI bAt hai. vah koI AsAn bAt nahIn hai.

koI bhAIonko kuchh bAt karanI ho to gurudev kuchh pUchhe to bolanA kuchh hotA thA, aur bol dete aur kuchh, aisA bhI kisIko ho jAtA thA. phir to gurudev dhIre-dhIre kam... pahale to sampradAy chhoDA thA, kisIke sAmane bhI nahIn dekhate the. shuruAtamen to aisA thA. gurudevako kahanA aur ve aise hI mAn le, aisI koI AsAn bAt nahIn thI. apane bhAv dekhe, apanA hRuday dekhe, kahAnse bolate hain, kitanI gaharAIse bolate hain, (bhAv) kaisA hai, sab dekhate. ve to parIkShak the. unhonne parIkShAke liye pUchhA thA. ... parIkShAke lie pUchhate the. usamense phir yah pUchhA. .. khaDe rahanemen jisakA hRuday sachchA hai, vahI khaDA rah sakatA hai, anya koI khaDA nahIn rah sakatA, gurudevake prashnake Age. sIdhe prashna nahIn pUchhate the, dUsare prakArase pUchhate the.

pahalA prashna kaisA thA? kAlakA thA. sIdhA nahIn pUchhate the. kisIko aisA lage ki gurudev aisA bolate hain, .... sIdhA pUchhe. aisA kisIko ho jAye. koI AsAn bAt thI? kitanA vichAr karake nakkI karanevAle. koI bhAIonko kuchh kahanA ho to dikkat hotI hai, to phir yah sab antarakI bAt gurudevake Age kahanI, vah to antarakI kitanI dRuDhatA ho to kah sakate hain. gurudevake Age kahanA koI AsAn bAt nahIn thA. kisI-kisIko kahate the, koI-koI Ate the usako kahate the.

ve to shrutadharonkA parichay karane Aye the. dUsare sabake sAth charchA-prashna karane thoDe hI nA Aye the. bharatakShetramense bhagavAnakI vANI sunane (Aye the). koI bAtachIt kare to bhI koI shrutadhar munike pAs unakI shankAkA samAdhAn karane Aye the. dUsareke sAth bAtachIt kam karate the. isaliye kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA.

aisA bhI kahate the, yah dravya tIrthankarakA hai. aisA mujhe pahalese AyA thA ki yah dravya tIrthankarakA hai. mujhe kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. mujhe to andarase AyA thA. aisA kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. mujhe to AtmAkA karanemen kyA satya aur kaise satya hai, yah nakkI karanemen merA jIvan thA. usamen gurudev tIrthankar hai (aisA kuchh sochA bhI nahIn thA).

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mahApuruSh hai, AtmAkI bAten karate hain, svAnubhUtikA mArga batAte hain, aisA sab hotA hai. tIrthankar hain, aisA sab vichAr karanekA kahAn thA. ek to chhoTI umra thI, usamen to satya kyA hai, yah nakkI karanA thA. usamen satya kyA yah nakkI karanemen, AtmAkA karanemen (main rahatI thI). gurudev mahApuruSh hain, aisA hotA hai. vas vakta tIrthankar hai, tIrthankar jaisA unakA kArya hai, aise vichArakA vahAn kahAn avakAsh thA? abhI to sab sAdhanAke kArya chalate the. yah sab to antarase AyA hai, sahaj AyA hai.

gurudev tIrthankar (dravya hain), isako unako svayamko Ashcharya lagatA thA. yah to antarase AyA hai. aisA koI vichAr bhI nahIn kiyA thA aur aisA mujhe lagatA thA, aisA bhI nahIn hai. athavA gurudevane kahA ho, aisA bhI nahIn hai. kuchh nahIn hai. (kundakundAchAryadev) mahAvidehakShetramen gaye hain, yah sunA thA, yah sab sunA thA. lekin abhI vartamAnamen itanA prachalit hai ki is shAstramen AtA hai aur usamen AtA hai, aisA nahIn thA. kuchh kathA Adike bAremen mAlUm thA aur gurudev kahate hain ki mahAvideh kShetramen gaye hain. itanA mAlUm thA. lekin us prakArake vichAr AdikA koI avakAsh nahIn thA. main to shAstra paDhatI thI. shAstra samajhanemen dhyAn thA. isaprakArake vichAr nahIn the. un vakta bhagavAnakA mandir nahIn thA, kuchh nahIn thA ki koI lange vichAr Aye, koI pUjA-bhaktike prasang nahIn the. bhakti kI yA aisA kuchh kiyA ki jisase yAd Aye athavA tIrthankar bhagavAnakI sab sphuraNA ho, pUjA-bhakti kI ki ye tIrthankar bhagavAn (hain), gurudev unakA jIv hai, to bhI vichAr Aye, aise bhI prasang nahIn the. mandir nahIn thA, pUjA-bhaktike prasang nahIn the, kuchh nahIn thA. mAtra shAstra paDhate the aur AtmAkA dhyAn karate the. dUsare koI prasang nahIn the. gurudevakA pravachan sunate the. gurudev shAstrake kyA artha karate hain? mAtra vahI dhyAn rahatA thA ki shAstrakA rahasya (kyA kholate hain)? shAstra to pahalI bAr paDhate the, gurudev usakA kyA artha karate hain? us arthamen dhyAn hotA thA ki is panktikA kyA artha kiyA aur is panktikA kyA artha karate hain?

...koI utsav nahIn the yA koI tIrthankar bhagavAnakI bhakti karaneke prasang the, shurUAtamen kuchh nahIn thA. sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamense nikale the to usaprakArakA kuchh thA hI nahIn. bhagavAnakA samavasaraN hotA hai aur tIrthankar bhagavAn hote hain, itanA mAlUm thA. bhagavAnakI vANI aur aisA sab mAlUm thA. bhagavAnake tIn gaDh aur aShTa bhUmi ityAdi kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. (samvat) 1993-94kI sAlamen kuchh mAlUm nahIn thA. phir sab paDhA. phir 1997men bhagavAnakI pratiShThA huI. tab bhagavAnakI pUjA, bhakti Adike prasang hue. 1998kI sAlamen samavasaraNamen kundakundAchAryako virAjamanA kiye. vah sab bAdamen huA. pahale kuchh nahIn thA ki usake koI vichAr Aye.

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mahAvideh kShetramen gaye hain, itanA mAlUm thA. ... digambaramen kyA antar hai, vah sab vichAramen thI. shvetAmbaramen kahAn bhUl hai, digambar kyA kahatA hai, chha dravya hai, usamen ye kAlako aupachArik dravya kahate hain, digambaramen chha dravya Ate hain, vah sab vichAr chalatA thA. shurUAtamen to vah sab nyAyake vichAr chalate the. abhI to shvetAmbar-digambar (kA antar vichAr chalatA thA). gurudevane abhI-abhI parivartan kiyA thA. usamen gurudev kyA kahate hain aur kis prakArase yah sab pharka kahate hain? vastradhArIko mukti nahIn hotI, aisA sab gurudev kahate hain, vah kis prakArase hai? vah sab gurudev spaShTa karake kahate the tab samajhamen AtA thA. vah sab shurUAt thI. shvetAmbar-digambaramen kyA pharka hai, munidashAmen vastra ho to kevalagnAn kyon nahIn hotA? aisI sab ulajhan shurUAtamen kitanI hotI hai. vah sab chalatA thA, yah kuchh thA bhI nahIn.

... aise sab dRuShTAnta Ate the. aise sab dRuShTAnta gurudev dete the. arthAt sab shurUAt thI. shvetAmbar-digambarakA gurudevane svayamne nakkI kiyA thA, vah sab bAhar AnekI shurUAt thI. yah sab bAhar nahIn kahate the. samayasAr paDhate the, rAjakoTamen, lekin shvetAmbarake vastra aur yah digambar, aisA kuchh nahIn bolate the.

... sabake bIch vAnchan kare, basa. gurudevane abhI-abhI sampradAy chhoDA thA. gurudevako koI bAt karanI ho to sampradAyakA bhay lage. aisA thA. isaliye samay khojakar ... lekin usamen koI mahemAn A jAye. sab tarahakI dikkat thI. ... kabhI-kabhI bAhar bhI baiThate the.

mumukShu- us or chhoTA kamarA hai, khiDakI hai vahAn?

samAdhAna- vahAn bhI kabhI-kabhI baiThate the. kabhI-kabhI us kamaremen baiThe ho. sAmane dikhAI detA hai na? daravAjemen baiThe ho to sAmane dikhAI de. holakA barAmadA aur kamareke daravAjA, aise. kamarA hotA hai na? kamarekA daravAjA hotA hai na, sab dikhAI detA thA. gurudev pravachan dete hain, vahAn bhI baiThe ho. pahale to likhA hotA hai. ...