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mumukShu- nimittakAraN aise pariNAmakA sachchA kAraN nahIn hai, vah to samajhamen AtA hai. lekin jIvadravyako upAdAnakAraNake rUpase grahaN kare to jIv nitya honese nitya rAg-dveSh hotA rahai. aur aise rAg-dveSh pariNAmakA kAraN jIv bhI nahIn ho to, to phir usakA kAraN kahAn khojanA?

samAdhAna- yah prashna to bahut chalatA hI hai. nimitta aur upAdAna. upAdAnamen to AtmA hai, lekin usakI paryAyamen vah hote hain, mUl dravyamen nahIn hote. usakI paryAyamen hote hain aur paryAy tak vibhAv simit hai. nimitta bhI hai aur upAdAn svayamkA hai. lekin mUl dravyamen usake svabhAvarUp nahIn hai, vibhAvarUp hai. vibhAvarUp hai isaliye palaT jAtA hai. vah to paryAyamen hai aur paryAy to palaT jAtI hai.

anAdikA hai, lekin vah svayam akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. usakI pariNatimen vah svayam nimittakI or dRuShTi detA hai isaliye hote hain. paryAyamen hote hain. svayam dravyakI or dRuShTi kare to palaT jAtA hai. vah nitya nahIn rahate. anAdise lekin vah svata svayam akAraN pAriNAmik (rUpase) pariNamate hain. nimitta hai, nimitta hai hI nahIn aisA nahIn hai. upAdAn svayamkA hai. upAdAn hai, lekin apane dravyamen vah mUl svabhAv nahIn hai. paryAyamen hote hain. paryAy palaT jAtI hai.

mumukShu- upAdAn kAraN to usakA svayamkA AtmA hI hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah svayam hI upAdAn kAraN hai. lekin vah paryAyamen hote hain, usake svabhAvamen nahIn hai.

mumukShu- svabhAv nahIn honese svabhAvakA Ashray lenepar usakA abhAv ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- palaT jAte hain. .. nimitta kuchh karatA hai, aise sab prashna Ate the, aisA koI kahatA thA, tab gurudev kahate the ki vah to akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. nimitta binA nahIn hotA ho to apanA svabhAv ho jAye. svabhAv nahIn hai, lekin vah apanI pariNati hai. vibhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. aur svabhAvarUp bhI svayam pariNamatA hai, dravya par dRuShTi kare to. vah apanA

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nitya svabhAv ho jAye aisA nahIn hai, vah to paryAyamen hote hain. kAraN svayam hai. svayamkA svabhAv nahIn hai, parantu kAraN svayam hai. lekin nimittakAraN bhI hai. ... Upar hai isaliye nimittakAraN hai hI nahIn, aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- vah kuchh karatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- karatA nahIn hai, parantu nimitta hai. ek kShetrAvagAhamen Akar sambandha hotA hai. aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. svayam svabhAvarUp pariNamit ho to vah karmakA bandhan svayam TUT jAtA hai, svayam chhUT jAtA hai. aisA sambandha hai. nimitta na ho to phir yah bandhan bhI nahIn hotA, sharIr bhI nahIn hotA, karma bhI nahIn hote, kuchh nahIn hotA. nimitta hai, lekin nimitta svayam kuchh karatA nahIn. lohachumbak ho to sUI svayam (usake pAs A jAtI hai).

(nimitta) hai hI nahIn, aisA nahIn hai. nimitta yahAn bhale kuchh karatA nahIn, lekin yadi ho hI nahIn to vah dravyakA svabhAv (ho jAye). vaise svabhAv nahIn hai, dravyakA svabhAv nahIn hai. upAdAn hai, apanI paryAyame ashuddha upAdAn svayamkA hai, lekin dravyakA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai. dravyakA mUl svabhAv nahIn hai, isaliye dravya par dRuShTi karake koI apekShAse use paramen DAl diyA jAtA hai. aur svayam puruShArthakI or dekhe to svayamke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hain. isaliye svayam dRuShTi palaTe to palaT jAtI hai.

mumukShu- puruShArthakI apekShAse svayamke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hain.

samAdhAna- hAn, svayamke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hain. usakA vedan svayamko hai, isaliye svayamke hai, svayam karatA hai. bAt yah samajhanI, usamense dravya aur paryAyakA vivek karake Age jA sakatA hai, kyonki bIchavAlI bAt hai, nimitta karatA nahIn, apane svabhAvamen nahIn hai aur vibhAvaparyAy svayam upAdAnase hotI hai. vah bIchavAlI svayam barAbar samajhe to mUl dravyamen to nahIn hai, vah paryAyamen hote hain. paryAyakA upAdAn kAraN, ashuddha upAdAn svayamkA hai. nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.

mumukShu- lakShya karaneke liye do viShay hai, ek parapadArtha aur ek apanA svabhAv hai. kArya karanekI jimmedArI athavA kArya karanA apane hAthamen hai.

samAdhAna- apane hAthamen hai. kArya kis orakA karanA vah apane hAthamen hai. vah jabarajastI nimitta nahIn karavAtA. dRuShTi parakI or kare to vahAn rAg hotA hai, dUsarekI or dRuShTi kare to, phir bandhan hotA hai. kahAn karanI, puruShArthakI gati kahAn karanI vah apane hAthamen hai. nimitta kuchh karatA nahIn.

mumukShu- svayam kahanese trikAlI dravya hI svayam hai aisA nahIn hai, lekin paryAyakA kAraNapanA bhI svayamkA hai.

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samAdhAna- vah svayamkA hI hai. dravya svayam ek or rah gayA aur paryAy karatA hai isaliye paryAyakA vedan paryAyamen hai. usakA vedan karanevAlA koI anya aur dravya shuddha rah gayA vah koI anya, aisA nahIn hai. dravya shuddha hai to paryAyakA vedan (kise hotA hai)? ek lo to rAgakA, dveShakA vedan to svayamko hotA hai. lekin mUl vastumen nahIn hai.

jaise sphaTik svabhAvase shvet hai, usakA shvetapanA usake antatattvamense mUlamense jAye aisA nahIn hai. lekin Upar dekho to lAl, kAlA Upar dikhAI detA hai. vaise dravyake mUl antatattvamen shuddhatA hai, lekin Upar rAg-dveShakI kAlimA hai usakA vedan svayamko hotA hai. sphaTik svayam pariNamatA hai. lekin vah aise pariNamatA hai, usakI mUl shuddhatA- sphaTikakI nirmalatA hai use chhoDakar nahIn pariNamatA. lAl, kAle rangarUp svayam pariNamatA hai, lekin usakA mUl (tattva) chhUTatA nahIn. aise pariNamatA hai.

usI prakAr dravya pariNamatA hai, upAdAn usakA svayamkA hai, lekin vah rAg-dveSharUp Upar-Upar pariNamatA hai, usakI mUl shuddhatA hai vah chalI nahIn jAtI. lAl, kAlA honemen use nimitta bAharakA hotA hai. phUl AdikA nimitta (hotA hai). lekin vah nimitta use kuchh karatA nahIn. usamen svayam vaisA pratibhAs hotA hai. sphaTik pariNamatA hai svayam, lekin lAl, kAlA yadi nahIn ho to (pratibimb nahIn uThatA). vaisA nimitta- naimittik sambandha hai.

vaise AtmAmeen vah nimitta hai, nimitta kuchh karatA nahIn. pariNamatA hai svayam. lekin dravyamense mUl shuddhatAko chhoDakar nahIn pariNamatA. phir bhI nimitta hai sahI, nimitta kuchh karatA nahIn isaliye nimitta hai hI aisA nahIn hai. jaise sphaTikamen aisA kahA jAye ki nimitta kuchh karatA nahIn to nimitta binA prayojan hai. binA prayojan nahIn hai. nimitta nahIn ho to sphaTik saphed hI hotA hai. aisA sambandha hai. ekakShetrAvagAhamen jo karmabandhan hai, usamen jo vibhAvakI pariNati hotI hai, usamen vah nimitta hai. lekin vah karatA kuchh nahIn. pariNamatA hai vah svayam. us jAtakA koI achintya svabhAv hai. achintya hai. sphaTik dRuShTAntamen dekho to bhI achintya lage. bAharase phUl kuchh karatA to nahIn hai. to bhI sphaTikakI pariNati lAl aur hare Adi rUp hotI hai. tU vaisA pariNaman kar aisA bhI nahIn kahatA. sphaTik svayam hI pariNamatA hai. dUr ho to usamen vaisI pariNati hotI bhI nahIn. aisA hai. usamen to svayam dUr aur pAs (hotA hai). isamen to svayam ashuddhatArUp pariNamatA hai isaliye ekakShetrAvagAhamen karma bandhatA hai. use koI lene nahIn jAtA. karma bandhatA hai. svayam yadi shuddharUp pariName, mUl dravyamen shuddhatA hai vaise svayam pariName to use nimitta jabarajastI pariNamit nahIn karavAtA. chhUT jAtA hai. usakA vah

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svabhAv achintya hai. dravyakA jo bIchavAlA pariNati honekA svabhAv hai vah achintya hai. yA to koI nimitta par chalA jAtA hai, koI upAdAn para. yA to aisA kahe ki nimitta nahIn hai, yA to aisA kahate hain, nimitta hai to nimitta karatA hai. aise bIchamen jo tIsarA hai, usakI pariNati koI achintya hai. andar barAbar baiThe to use barAbar samajhamen Aye.

mumukShu- svayamko yadi trikAlImen sthApit kare to bhI bhUl hai, to ekAnta ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- to ekAnta ho jAtA hai. main to shuddha hI hUn.

mumukShu- bhUl kisakI? bhUl kisIkI nahIn aisA lage.

samAdhAna- hAn, bhUl kisIkI nahIn hai, aisA ho jAye. parantu sphaTik svayam mUlamen shuddhatA rakhakar svayam lAl-pIle phUlarUp pariNamatA hai. vaise chaitanyadravyakI shuddhatA toDakar ashuddhatA nahIn hotI. shuddhatA rakhakar pariNamatA hai.

mumukShu- svayamkA dravya hI pariNamatA hai.

samAdhAna- vah svayam hI pariNamatA hai. use apanA khyAl nahIn hai, parantu agnAnadashAmen bhI vaise hI pariNamatA hai. apanI shuddhatA TUTatI nahIn. kahate hain na, apanA ghar chhoDakar usakA koI kAm nahIn hotA. pariNati ashuddha hotI hai, lekin apanA chaitanyadravya, jo usakA svabhAv hai vah TUTatA nahIn.

mumukShu- jinendra bhagavAnakI ek rahasyamay bAt hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, rahasyamay bAt hai. isaliye vah sab Upar-Upar hotA hai. usake antaramen-mUlamen kuchh nahIn hotA. phir bhI use ashuddhatAkA vedan hai. yA to is or chalA jAtA hai, yA us or chalA jAtA hai. aisA hotA hai.

mumukShu- yA to phir aisA kahe, paryAyakA kartA paryAy hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, to aisA ho jAye. paryAyakA kartA paryAy hai. dravya kuchh nahIn karatA. dravya aur paryAy dononkA ansh aur anshI aise do bhAg karo to aisA kahanemen Aye. bAkI pravachanasAramen AtA hai, dravya svayam hI pariNamatA hai. paryAy koI anyakI to hai nahIn, dravya svayam pariNamit hokar paryAy hotI hai. usakA vedan svayamko hai. sphaTik svayam pariNamatA hai. sphaTikakI lAl pariNati aur usakI shuddhatA, aise dononko alag karo to usakA lAl rang aur usakI shuddhatA, sphaTikakI jo shuddhatA hai vah bhinna aur lAl rang alag aisA kahanemen AtA hai, parantu vah vastu bhinna-bhinna nahIn ho jAtI. vastu to ek hI hai.

vaise chaitanyakI ashuddhatA aur andar shuddhatA. vaise shuddhatA aur ashuddhatA aise usake

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do bhAg karo to vastu bhinna-bhinna nahIn ho jAtI. sphaTik vastu koI bhinna nahIn ho jAtI. usakA lAl rang koI alag vastumen huA aur saphed sphaTik koI alag vastumen hai, (aisA nahIn hai). donon ek hI vastu hai.

mumukShu- mUl pAyekI bAt hai.

samAdhAna- hAn. vah ek hI sphaTik vastumen hotA hai. sphaTik ek hai aur usake andar lAl rang aur saphed, donon bhAg andar hI andar ek hI vastumen hote hain. ekasAth hain.

mumukShu- ek hI vastuke do ansh hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, ek hI vastuke do ansh hain.

mumukShu- do ansh milakar ek vastu ban jAye aisA bhI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- nahIn, aisA nahIn hai. vah koI ansh nahIn, vastu hai, sphaTikakI jo nirmalatA hai vaha.

mumukShu- vah kyA kahA? nirmalatA hai vah vastu hai, ansh nahIn hai, yAnI kyA?

samAdhAna- do ansh kahA na? arthAt nirmalatAkA ansh aur ashuddhatAkA ansha. andar jo paDA hai, vah koI ek ansh nahIn hai, vastu dravya hai. aisA kahA. ansh yAnI vah koI shuddhatArUp pariNamit huA ansh hai aisA nahIn hai. pariNamit huA ansh nahIn hai, vah to shaktirUp hai. aisA kahA. do bhAg hai vah barAbar, lekin shuddhatArUp hai vah pragaT pariNamit huA ansh hai aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- pariNamatA ansh nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- pariNamatA ansh nahIn hai. shaktirUp hai. svayam hI pariNamatA hai. vah isaprakAr pariNamatA hai ki usakA mUl TikAkar paryAy ashuddha hotI hai.

mumukShu- nahIn to AtmAko usakA vedan nahIn hotA. yadi vah svayam nahIn pariNamatA ho to use vedan nahIn ho sakatA.

samAdhAna- vedan hI nahIn hotA. to AkUlatAkA vedan hI nahIn hotA. yadi dravya aur paryAy aise bilakUl bhinna hI ho to usakA vedan svayamko hotA hI nahIn. to phir rAgakA vedan rAgamen, svayamko usakA vedan hI nahIn hotA, to phir use chhUTanekI apekShA bhI nahIn hai. svayam pariNamatA ho to use chhUTanekI apekShA rahe. pariNamatA hI nahIn ho to chhUTanekI apekShA kahAn? rAgamen, dveShamen, vikalpamen svayam pariNamatA hai. isaliye use aisA hotA hai ki merA svabhAv nirmal hai, main apanI or dekhun, yah sab AkUlatA hai. usakA vedan hotA ho to chhUTanekA prayatna hai. usakA vedan hI nahIn hai to phir chhUTanekA prayatna (kyon kare)? vastu hI dUsarI hai, to phir use svayamko chhUTanekA prayatna

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karanA nahIn rahatA.

... dravyakA utpAd-vyay .. hai. lekin utpAd alag, vyay alag, sab bhinna- bhinna nahIn paDe hain, ek hI vastuke ansh hain.

mumukShu- utpAd-vyay ek sat aur dhruv ek sat..

samAdhAna- vastu bhinna-bhinna nahIn hai. paryAyake ansh hain.