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samAdhAna- .. AtmAkA mokShakA mArga jisako pragaT huA usakI vANI usako nimitta hotI hai.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- vah vANI nimitta nahIn hotI.

mumukShu- isaliye jenI-tenI pAse dharma sAmbhaLavo te pAtratA nathI.

samAdhAna- jisakI jignAsA ho vah sachche guruko pahachAn letA hai. is gurukA upadesh mere AtmAkA kalyAN karegA. yadi sachchI jignAsA ho to apaneAp pahachAn letA hai. ..

mumukShu- jo pratyakShamen dikh rahA hai ki is upadesh denevAleko AtmAnubhUti nahIn hai, to usake upadeshako nahIn sunanA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- vah to koI apekShAse bAt hai. apane nimitta hotA hai to sachche guru milate hain. jisako nahIn milatA hai.... jignAsu, jisane guruke pAs sunA hai, apanI pAtratA pragaT huI hai, aisA koI

mumukShu-sachchA mumukShu ho to samajhaneke liye vah samajhatA hai, parantu usako guru nahIn mAnatA. vah to samajhaneke liye samajhatA hai. sachchA guru nahIn mAnanA. svAdhyAy karatA hai, sachchA guru nahIn mAnanA. ... bAharamen sab lAlach ho, use pAtratA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- usakA upadesh sunanA nahIn.

samAdhAna- usakA upadesh... sachche guruse lAbh hotA hai. shAstramen AtA hai, sachche guruse lAbh hotA hai. aise guru nahIn milate hain to sAdharmI ekadUsareke sAth charchA kare, svAdhyAy kare, vichAr kare, aisA to karate hI hain Apasamen. .. pahachAnanA aur sharIrAdi bhinna hai use pahachAnanA. aisA kahanevAle guru kaun hai, vah ...

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- ... yathArthamen kaun hai vah samajhanA. vyavahArase vaktA, shrotA aisA chalatA hai?

mumukShu- ... vahAn-se lakShya chhUTatA nahIn. svabhAvake prati lakShya hotA nahIn.

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samAdhAna- puruShArtha karanese hotA hai. anAdikI ekatvabuddhi hai. sharIr so main aur main so sharIr hUn, aisA abhyAs chalatA hai. us abhyAsako toDanA chAhiye. ... main to bhinna gnAyak hUn, yah sharIr to jaD hai, kuchh jAnatA nahIn. main to bhinna chaitanyatattva mahimAvant padArtha anAdiananta (hUn). bArambAr usakA vichAr, vAnchan, pratIt, dRuDhatA karanA chAhiye. main to ek gnAyakatattva hUn. main to gnAyakadev hUn, yah sharIr to jaD hai. sharIr aur AtmA donon bhinna hain. anAdise bhinna hI hai. puruShArtha karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- .. kabhI kiyA nahIn hai to usakA svarUp samajhamen AtA nahIn.

samAdhAna- nahIn kiyA hai to bhI apanA svabhAv hai isaliye ho sakatA hai. puruShArtha karake ananta (jIv) mokSha gaye hain aur ananta (jIvonko) bhedagnAn huA hai. AtmA hai to kar sakatA hai. apanI anAdikI bhUl chalI AtI hai isaliye pramAdake kAraNase nahIn hotA hai.

gurudev kahate the, apanI bhUlase apaneko pahachAnA nahIn. "nij nayananI ALase, nirakhyA na harine.' apane netrakI Alasake kAraN AtmAko svayam pahachAnatA nahIn. chaitanyaprabhuko pahachAnatA nahIn.

mumukShu- apaneko pahachAnanekA Apane kahA, to apaneko pahachAnanekI kis tarahakI prakriyA apanAyI jAtI hai?

samAdhAna- apaneko pahachAnanekI kriyA-gnAnasvabhAv hai vah sabako jAn letA hai. vah jAnatA hai. parako jAnaneke liye vah sab karatA hai, apaneko jAnanekA prayatna nahIn karatA. jAnanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. gurudevane bahut batAyA hai. shAstramen bhI AtA hai. pramAd karatA hai, ruchi nahIn hai, jignAsA nahIn hai, paramen ekatvabuddhi hai, (paramen) sukh mAnatA hai, parakI mahimA AtI hai, AtmAkI mahimA bhI nahIn AtI. AtmAkI mahimA karanI chAhiye, AtmAkA svabhAv pahachAnanA chAhiye, usakA vichAr karanA chAhiye. bArambAr usakI ruchi baDhAnI chAhiye. yah sab karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- AtmA dikhatA nahIn, mAtAjI! bAharakA sab dikhatA hai to bAharakI mahimA AtI hai.

samAdhAna- anAdise dRuShTi bAhar hai isaliye bAharakA dikhatA hai. antaramen dRuShTi dekhe to apaneAp dikhAI detA hai. dRuShTi bAhar hI bAhar hai. dRuShTiko svabhAvakI or le jAnI hai. AtmA aisA nahIn hai ki dikhanemen nahIn Aye. gnAnasvabhAv kisako nahIn jAne? sabako jAne. par jAnatA hai, svako nahIn jAnatA hai.

svaparaprakAshak gnAn hai. gnAn to sabakA ananta hai. svaparaprakAshak hai to sabako jAnatA hai. puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai to nahIn jAnanemen AtA. anAdise parako jAnA, AtmAko

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jAnA nahIn. AtmAko jAnanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye, to jAn sakatA hai. bhedagnAn karanA chAhiye. sharIr main nahIn, vibhAvasvabhAv merA nahIn hai, main gnAyak hUn, aisA prayatna karanA chAhiye.

mumukShu- pUjya mAtAjI! ham hindIbhAShI mumukShuonkA yah param saubhAgya hai ki ham pUjya gurudevashrIkI 97 mangal janma jayanti mahotsav manAnekA pavitra avasar milA hai. yah mangal mahotsav ham mumukShujIvommen AtmArthItA vikasAkar mokShamArgamen lagAe, aisA mangal AshIrvAd chAhate hain.

pUjya mAtAjI! pUjya gurudevashrI nishchayanayako sadA mukhya pharamAte the. aur Agamamen kabhI nishchayako mukhya to kabhI vyavahArako mukhya darshAte hain, to donon bhinna-bhinna prakArake kathanake pIchhe gnAnI dharmAtmAonkA marma kyA hai, yah kRupA karake samajhAiye.

samAdhAna- gurudevane to bahut spaShTa kiyA hai, gurudevakA param upakAr hai. nishchayanay sadA... sAdhakajIvako dravya par dRuShTi to nishchay sadA mukhya hI rahatA hai. sAdhakadashAmen dravyadRuShTi mukhya hI hotI hai. isaliye nishchayanayako gurudev mukhya kahate the. aur vastu svarUp aisA hai. jo gurudev kahate the vaisA hI hai. parantu jo shAstramen AtA hai ki kabhI vyavahAr mukhya aur kabhI nishchayakI bAt Aye to usamen samajhAneke liye hotA hai. jIvonko jo anAdikA abhyAs hai, vibhAvakA abhyAs hai isaliye vyavahArakI bAharamen sthUl dRuShTi hai, samajh nahIn sakate. isaliye samajhAneke lie vyavahArakI bAt karanemen Aye. lekin usamen kahanekA Ashay-vastu aur muktikA mArga kyA hai, nishchay par dRuShTi kar aisA kahanekA Ashay hotA hai. jo AtmArthI hai vah usamense Ashay samajh letA hai. jise AtmArthItA nahIn hotI, vah mAtra vyavahArako pakaD letA hai.

AchAryakA Ashay to nishchayanay yAnI AtmAko grahaN karAnekA hI hotA hai. lekin jo samajhate nahIn, vah mAtra vyavahAr grahaN kar lete haiain. AchAryakA kathan to vyavahArako chhoDakar AtmAko grahaN karAnekA hI Ashay hotA hai. sAdhakako nishchay mukhya aur vyavahAr gauN hotA hai. lekin use samajhAneke liye vyavahArase aisA kahanemen AtA hai ki "bhAShA anArya vinA samajhAvI shakAy na anAryane.' anAryako samajhA nahIn sakate. usakI bhAShAmen use samajhAnemen AtA hai. shAstramen AtA hai ki AtmA shabda kahA. ab, AtmA kise kahate hain, isakA jise gnAn nahIn hai, vah samajh nahIn sakatA. isaliye darshan, gnAn, chAritrako prApta ho, hameshAke liye prApta ho, vah AtmA. aisA kahanemen AtA hai, tab use samajhamen AtA hai. isaliye vyavahArase kathan karanemen AtA hai. use samajhAneke liye. samajhAnA hai AtmA, grahaN AtmA karAnA hai. lekin vyavahArakA kathan bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. isaliye vyavahArase kathan karanemen AtA hai. grahaN to

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ek AtmA hI karAnA hai. aur svAnubhUtikA mArga batAnA hai, vastukA svarUp batAnA hai.

isaliye nishchay dRuShTimen mukhya hotA hai. lekin dravya aur paryAy dononkA gnAn karAnako aur samajhAneke liye vastu svarUp aur AtmAko grahaN karAneke liye vyavahArako bhI AchArya bIchamen kahate hain, samajhAneke liye kahanemen AtA hai. vastu svarUp to AtmAko grahaN karAnekA hI hotA hai. nishchay sadA mukhya hI hotA hai.

abhed AtmAko grahaN karanA, usamen guNabhed ho, paryAyabhed ho, usakA gnAn karanA hotA hai. vah samajhe usamen vyavahAr bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. lakShaNabhed, gnAnakA lakShaN, lakShaNase AtmAko grahaN karanA, gnAnasvabhAv AtmA, isaprakAr guN dvArA guNIko grahaN karAnemen AtA hai. aisA vyavahAr bhI bIchamen AtA hai. vah svayam Age baDhee usamen bhI guNabhed, paryAyabhed bIchamen Ate hain. isaliye kathanamen bhI AchAryadev use samajhAneke liye, AtmAko grahaN karAneke liye bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. isaliye kabhI vyavahArakI bAt karate hain, kabhI nishchayakI bAt karate hain. Agamamen AtA hai. lekin dRuShTi to use sadAke liye mukhya rahatI hai. aur gnAnamen dravya kise kahate hain, paryAy kise kahate hain, sAdhakadashA kise kahate hain, sAdhya kyA hai, grahaN kyA karanA hai aur bIchamen sAdhakadashA kaisI hotI hai, yah sab bIchamen AtA hai. isaliye AchAryadev sab bAtakA use gnAn karAte hain. grahaN ek AtmAko karanA hai. vastukA svarUp aisA hI hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTimen AtmA hI rahatA hai arthAt kyA? pUrA din vahIn upayog rahatA hai?

samAdhAna- upayog vahAn nahIn rahatA. lekin usakI dRuShTi vahAn rahatI hai. upayogamen gnAnamen use sab jAnaneke vichAr Aye. guNabhed, paryAyabhed Adi sab jAnaneke liye AtA hai. upayog vahAn nahIn rahatA, lekin us par dRuShTi, pariNati us prakArakI hotI hai. dravya par dRuShTi sadAke liye hotI hai. main gnAyak hUn, main AtmA hUn. apanA astitva- jo chaitanyakA astitva hai us usakI dRuShTi sadAke liye hotI hai. main gnAyak, aisI gnAyakakI pariNati (nirantar rahatI hai). yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai, guNabhed, paryAyabhed vAstavikarUpase meremen nahIn hai. usakA svarUp hai, usake guN ananta hai, lekin usake bhed par usakI dRuShTi nahIn hai. dRuShTi ek AtmA par hai. upayog nahIn, lekin dRuShTi hI us par thambh gaI hai.

shraddhA aur gnAn, donon guN bhinna haiain. dRuShTi us par thambh gaI hai. upayogamen sab AtA hai. jAnanemen sab AtA hai. lekin dRuShTi ek gnAyak par hotI hai. us par dRuShTi aisI sthir ho rahatI hai ki kahIn bhI upayog jAye to bhI bhedagnAnakI dhArA to chhUTatI

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hI nahIn. main gnAyak hUn, aisA vikalpa nahIn, parantu sahaj pariNati hI hotI hai. gnAyakatA- gnAyakatA, use sadAke liye gnAyakatAkI pariNatI chAlU rahatI hai. svAnubhUtimen ho to bhI gnAyak par jo dRuShTi hai vah chhUTatI nahIn. guNabhed, paryAyabhed svAnubhUtimen usake gnAnamen Ate hain, usake vedanamen AtA hai. guN, paryAy usake vedanamen Ate hain, parantu dRuShTi AtmA parase chhUTatI nahIn. dRuShTi sadAke liye us par hI thambhI huI rahatI hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTimen nishchayanay hI mukhya hai aur jAnanemen nishchay aur vyavahAr donon hote hain?

samAdhAna- donon hote hain. dRuShTimen ek dravya hI mukhya hotA hai aur jAnanemen guN, paryAy, dravya sab AtA hai. nishchayanay, vyavahAranay, nishchayakA svarUp, vyavahArakA svarUp jAnanemen sab AtA hai.

mumukShu- ham aisA samajhe to usase AtmAkI tIkhI ruchi kaise ho? nishchayase dRuShTi apekShAse aisA hai aur nishchay-vyavahAr gnAnamen isaprakAr hote hain, usase AtmAkI ruchi kaise ho?

samAdhAna- jAnanese AtmAkA svarUp aisA hai, bAharamen kahIn nahIn hai, yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai, merA svabhAv ek gnAyak hI hai, yah sab AkUlatA hai, yah sab vibhAv hai, merA svabhAv nahIn hai. main chaitanya ek anAdiananta hUn. use dukh lage, bhavabhramaNakI thakAn lage aur antaramen ek AtmAmen shAnti aur Ananda hai, aisI use pratIt ho, ruchi ho to us or ruchi hotI hai ki vastukA svarUp aisA hai. sab meremen hai, bAhar kuchh nahIn hai. sabakuchh meremen hai, yah kaise grahaN ho, kaise pragaT ho? sab ananta. Ananda ananta, gnAn ananta, aise ananta guN sab meremen bharA hai. bAharamen kuchh nahIn hai. aur us par-abhed chaitanya par dRuShTi karanese, svayamkA astitva grahaN karanese yah pragaT hotA hai. isaprakAr nishchay-vyavahArako jAnanese svayamke chaitanya par dRuShTi par jAye. jise jignAsA ho, is bhavabhramaNakI thakAn lagI ho, vibhAvase thak gayA ho, AkUlatA lagatI ho, use usamense upAy mil jAtA hai ki ek chaitanya par dRuShTi karanese AtmAkA sukh aur Ananda pragaT hotA hai. svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. yah nishchay hai, yah vyavahAr hai. usamen sAdhakadashA bIchamen AtI hai. usamen sAdhya ek AtmAko grahaN karake bIchamen yah sAdhakadashA hotI hai. isaprakAr nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhiko jAne to use muktikA mArga milatA hai. use us or ruchi jAgRut hotI hai ki bas, apUrva Ananda aur apUrva AshcharyakArI tattva yahI hai, isaliye use grahaN karane jaisA hai. isaprakAr grahaN ho, usakI ruchi ho, aisA sab hotA hai.

mumukShu- usamen sAth-sAth upakArI satpuruShakI mahimA isImen A jAtI hai?

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samAdhAna- hAn, usamen AtI hai. jise AtmAkA svarUp samajhanA hai, aise dev- guru-shAstra jo samajhAte hain, AtmAkA svarUp jo anAdise nahIn samajhA hai, use samajhAnevAle aise satpuruSh-gnAnI ke prati mahimA Aye binA nahIn rahatI. kyonki jo AtmAkA svarUp samajhAye us par use mahimA AtI hai. kyonki anAdise jo mArga prApta nahIn huA hai, vah jo samajhAye us par mahimA Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. AtmAkA svarUp aisA hai, ananta Anandase bharA apUrva anupam tattva hai, aisA mArga jo darshAte hain, aise guru par, dev par use mahimA Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. kyonki anAdikA anajAnA mArga, jo svayamko jignAsA hai, vah mArga gurudev batAye aur us bhUmikAmen svayam khaDA hai, us bhUmikAmen amuk prakArakI bhaktikI bhUmikAmen khaDA ho to use mahimA Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn.

jab tak svayamne AtmAko jAnA nahIn, isaliye jo samajhAte hain us par bhakti Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA to samyagdarshan prApta kare to bhI usakI vah bhUmikA hai to dev-guru-shAstra par use bhakti Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. kyonki vItarAgadashA nahIn hotI tabatak bIchamen prashasta rAgakI bhUmikAmen khaDA hai isaliye use Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. use vah rokate nahIn, lekin bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

muni ho to muniko bhI bIchamen AtI hai. muni shAstra likhe to prArambhamen jinendra bhagavAnako namaskAr karate hain, siddha bhagavAnako namaskAr karate hain. munionko bhI Aye binA nahIn rahatI. vah to bIchamen AtA hI hai. to jisakI jignAsukI bhUmikA hai, jisane mArga jAnA nahIn hai, use to Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. kyonki ek to svayam kuchh samajhatA nahIn aur jo anAdikA mArga gurudevane batAyA to un par bhakti Aye binA rahatI nahIn. kyonki anAdikA aisA anajAnA mArga ki jo svayam kuchh samajhatA nahIn, aisA mArga jisane samajhAyA us par use mahimA AtI hI rahatI hai.

aise panchamakAlamen gurudev padhAre aur aisA mArga batAyA to mahimA Aye binA use nahIn rahatI aur AtmAkA dhyey use sAthamen rahatA hai ki aisA AtmA hai, vah AtmA mujhe kaise pragaT ho? pragaT honekA nimitta jo gurudev par, dev-guru-shAstra par bhakti Aye binA nahIn rahatI.

mumukShu- usamen koI virUddhatA nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- virUddhatA nahIn hai. bhaktike sAth AtmAkI jignAsAko virUddhatA nahIn hai. dononkA sambandha hai. virUddhatA nahIn hai. samyagdarshanakI bhUmikAmen bhI vah hotI hai- dev-guru-shAstrakI bhakti. aur munionko bhI hotI hai. usakI bhUmikA anusAr hotI

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hai. pUjA Adi kArya nahIn hote parantu unhen bhakti hotI hai. samyagdarshanakI bhUmikAmen use koI virUddhatA nahIn hai ki vah rAgakI bhUmikA hai aur AtmA vItarAg hai, isaliye use vah Aye ... vItarAgadashA pragaT hotI hai, tab vah chhUT jAtA hai. parantu vItarAgasvarUp AtmAkA hai, lekin use dRuShTimen grahaN kiyA, AtmA nirvikalpa tattva hai, use dRuShTimen grahaN kiyA lekin us pragaT nahIn huA hai tab tak bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatI. jo svayamko jAnanA hai, vah darshAnevAle mile un par bhakti Aye binA nahIn rahatI. use virUddhatA nahIn hai ki ab andar AtmAkA karanA hai, bAharakA kuchh nahIn. lekin vah rAgakI bhUmikAmen Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. nahIn Aye to svayam barAbar samajhA nahIn hai. svayam samajhA nahIn hai. andar AtmAkA hI karanA hai, bAharakA (kyA kAm hai)? lekin bAharake vikalpa use Aye binA rahate hI nahIn. dUsarA bAharakA kaise AtA hai? vibhAvakI bhUmikAmen dUsare vibhAvake bhAv use aprashasta Ate hain to prashastamen palaTe binA nahIn rahatA. jise AtmAkI ruchi jAgI, usake bhAv prashastamen palaT jAte hain.