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mumukShu- kyA unakI marmagna dRuShTi hai! mUlako pakaDe, Dige nahIn, lAkh koshiSh karo, himmatabhAIkI us bAtamen.. sabhI shAstrakA gujarAtIkaraN, harigIt ghar-gharamen gAte ho, paDhate ho.. kundakundAchAryakA upakAr to mAnate hI hain, usamen shankA nahIn hai. amRutachandrAchAryakA (upakAr mAnate hain), lekin gujarAtImen to himmatabhAIne hI sab kiyA hai. adabhut!

samAdhAna- gurudevane spaShTa kiyA hai.

mumukShu- vah to spaShTa kiyA hai, gurudevane to spaShTa kiyA hI hai, lekin ye to usase bhI visheSh ApakI vANIko bhI visheSh spaShTa kI hai, parantu inhonne jo kiyA hai vah alag hI hai. bhale hI unhoenne gurudevakI vANIko hI usamen utArI hai, lekin vANIko utAranA vah AsAn kAm nahIn hai, AsAn kAm nahIn hai.

mumukShu- Apako paNDitajIkA pakShapAt hai. mumukShu- dev-guru-shAstrakA pakShapAt hai aur satyakA bhI pakShapAt hai, aisA yadi kahanA ho to main sampUrNarUpase svIkAr karatA hUn. galat prashansA karanemen kabhI kisIkA mAnA nahIn hai, parantu vah adabhut hai.

samAdhAna- vichAr karate the. unako pahalese hI vichAr (chalate the). sabako samajhAnekA (bhAv) pahalese hI hai. chhoTe the tabase hai.

mumukShu- samajhan to hai hI, parantu usase bhI visheSh mIThAs hai. koI yadi nahIn samajhe to kuchh nahIn, unheen kuchh nahIn.

samAdhAna- gurudevake pratApase yah sab yahAn hai. gurudevakA pratApa. jo mahApuruSh hote hain unake pIchhe sab hotA hai. ve mahApuruSh hI aise hue isaliye sab khInchakar yahAn Aye. jo bhI yahAn Ate hain, sab aisI pAtratAvAle (Ate hain), gurudevakA tIrthankar dravya thA isaliye unake pIchhe aisI shaktivAle sab Ate hain. vah sab gurudevake charaNamen hI (arpit) hai, hamane kuchh nahIn kiyA hai.

mumukShu- aisA kahA jAtA hai, gaNadhar gUnthe... divyadhvani khiratI hI rahatI hai. mumukShu- pUjya gurudevashrIke pravachanakA pustak hai, isamen likhA hai ki sAdhakakA gnAn ho, gnAnakA svabhAv hI aisA hai ki usamen rAg samAtA nahIn. vah to rAgase

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bhinna sadA gnAyak hI hai. isamen kahA ki kevalagnAn aur sAdhakakA gnAn dononko ek kahA. kevalagnAn ho yA sAdhakakA gnAn ho, to kis apekShAse us gnAnako ek kahA hai?

samAdhAna- gnAn to samyak kI apekShAse kahA hai. parantu kevalagnAnI to lokAlokako jAnanevAle hain. unhen to pUrNa gnAn pragaT ho gayA hai. inhen pUrNa gnAn nahIn pragaT huA hai. kevalagnAnIko to vItarAgadashA ho gayI hai. unhen rAgakA to kShay ho gayA hai. dravyadRuShTipUrvak unhen to chAritradashA hokar kevalagnAn pragaT huA hai. sva-parako jAnanevAlA aisA gnAn pragaT huA hai. svayamko svayamke svabhAvamen rahakar sahaj svabhAvase sab jAnate hain. lekin kevalagnAnIkA gnAn aur samyagdRuShTikA gnAn, samyakatAkI apekShAse (ek) kahA hai. yah jo samyak hai vah gnAyakakI apekShAse. kevalagnAnIkA gnAn gnAyakako jAnanevAlA hai aur samyagdRuShTikA gnAn bhI gnAyakako jAnatA hai. us apekShAse hai. bAkI sarva apekShAse nahIn hai.

kevalagnAnIkA gnAn to pratyakSha hai, samyagdRuShTikA gnAn pratyakSha nahIn hai. vah to svarUpapratyakSha hai. sarva pratyakSha nahIn hai, samyagdRuShTikA gnAn sarvapratyakSha nahIn hai. ek gnAyakako jAnanevAlA hai. gnAyakakI apekShAse ek kahA hai. samyakakI apekShAse ek kahA hai. sarva pratyakShakI apekShAse ek nahIn hai. apekShA alag hai. donon apekShA samajhanI.

inakA dravya aur unakA dravya samAn hai. samyagdRuShTiko jo gnAn pragaT huA, vah gnAyakako jAnanevAlA gnAn hai aur samyak hai, us apekShaAse kahA hai. aise to siddha bhagavAnakA anubhav aur samyagdRuShTikA anubhav ek jAtikA hai, siddhakI jAtikA (hai). vah to ek jAtikI apekShAse (kahA). ye to ansh hai. kevalagnAnIko to sarvAnshase pragaT huA hai. ansh apekShAse (hai). yah gnAn bhI gnAyakatAko jAnatA hai aur samyak hai, isaliye. bAkI sarva apekShAse nahIn hai. kevalagnAnIkA gnAn to pratyakSha hai aur yah parokSha hai. usakA anubhav-svAnubhUtikI apekShAse, samyakakI apekShAse, gnAyakakI apekShAse kahA hai.

mumukShu- samyagdarshan, gnAn, chAritrarUp vItarAgI dashA pragaT hotI hai, use bhI kShaNik shuddha upAdAn kahanemen AtA hai. yahAn trikAlI dravyako shuddha upAdAn lenA hai. kShaNik shuddha upAdAn jo liyA vah samyagdarshanakI paryAy lI.

samAdhAna- usamen tInon liyA na. samyagdarshan, gnAn, chAritra tInon liye hain na usamen to. kShaNik yAnI vah to paryAy apekShAse liyA hai.

mumukShu- kShaNik shuddha upAdAnase kathanchit sahit hUn.

samAdhAna- kathanchit..?

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mumukShu- sahit hUn, aisA Aye. kShaNik ashuddha upAdAnase kathanchit sahit hUn, aisA lenese kyA doSh AtA hai?

samAdhAna- kyA hai usamen? kathanchit shuddha hUn? dravyadRuShTise kyA liyA hai?

mumukShu- yahAn trikAlI dravyako shuddha upAdAn liyA hai. ab, jo trikAlI shuddha upAdAn hai vah kShaNik shuddha upAdAnase kathanchit sahit hai. dravya, paryAy sahit hai, aisA AyA.

samAdhAna- kathanchit ashuddha hai aisA bhI kahanemen AtA hai. usamen doSh nahIn hai. kathanchit koI apekShAse ashuddha paryAyavAlA jIvako kahanemen AtA hai aur shuddha paryAyavAlA bhI kahanemen AtA hai. shuddha paryAy jo darshan, gnAn, chAritrakI ratnatray paryAy pragaT hotI hai vah paryAy hai, isaliye use kathanchit dravyase abhinna kahanemen AtI hai. lekin vah paryAy hai isaliye. paryAy, dravyakA hI svarUp hai. lekin dravya aur paryAyakA bhinna svarUp batAte hain, isaliye use kathinchat kahA hai. kathanchit ashuddha bhI kahanemen AtA hai. usamen doSh nahIn AtA. vah apekShA hai.

anAdikAlase jIv rAg-dveSh karatA hai, use kathanchit kahanemen AtA hai-kathinchat dravya abhinna kahanemen AtA hai. abhinna shabda hai na?

mumukShu- kShaNik upAdAna.

samAdhAna- hAn, kShaNik upAdAn kahanemen AtA hai. kathanchit ashuddha upAdAn kahanemen AtA hai, use ashuddha upAdAn kahanemen AtA hai.

mumukShu- phir usamen Age AtA hai ki shuddha upAdAn to trikAl hai, lekin usake lakShyase jo vartamAn dashA pragaT hotI hai, vah bhI kartA-bhoktApanese shUnya hai. jo trikAlako pakaDe aisI jo AnandakI dashA, us rUp pariNat jIv, vah bhI shubhA- shubharAgakA, parapadArthake kartRutva-bhoktRutvase shUnya hai. to paryAyakA kartA to paryAy hai, aisA AtA hai. paryAyamen kriyA hotI hai. yahAn to paryAyakA bhI akartRutva-abhoktRutva kisaprakAr kahA hai?

samAdhAna- paryAyakA akartRutva-abhoktRutva dravyakI apekShAse akartA-abhoktA hai. paryAy paryAyamen to kartA-bhoktA hai, paryAy apekShAse. dravya, paryAyakA akartA-abhoktA dravyadRuShTi apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. lekin dravya aur paryAyako kathanchit abhedarUp kaho to use kartA-bhoktA kahanemen AtA hai. us apekShAse hai. dravyadRuShTikI apekShAse akartA- abhoktA kahA hai. paryAyadRuShTise use kartA-bhoktA kahanemen AtA hai aur dravyadRuShTise use akartA-abhoktA kahanemen AtA hai. paryAyadRuShTise use kahanemen AtA hai. dravyadRuShTikI apekShAse bAt hai.

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mumukShu- dravyadRuShTikI apekShAse paryAyamen bhI akartRutva kahA hai.

samAdhAna- paryAyakA jIv akartA dravyadRuShTise kahA jAtA hai. paryAyakA akartRutva nahIn arthAt paryAy hai hI nahIn, aisA nahIn. paryAyakA jIv akartA aur abhoktA (hai), vah dravyadRuShTise paryAyakA akartA (hai). paryAyakA kartRutva hai, paryAy to hai, paryAy nahIn hai aisA nahIn. dravyadRuShTise nahIn hai aisA kahanemen AtA hai. dravyakI apekShAse. paryAyakI apekShAse to kartRutva-bhoktRutva hai. dravyadRuShTise akartA-abhoktA. dravya aur paryAyako abhed karo to paryAyakA kartA-bhoktA dravya hai. paryAy nirAdhAr laTakatI hai aur dravya nirAdhAr laTakatA hai, aisA nahIn hai. paryAy dravyake AdhAr binA nirAdhAr hotI hai aur dravya kahIn dUsarI jagah rah jAtA hai, aisA nahIn hai.

Am hai, to AmakA ras alag rah jAtA hai, rasakI paryAy aur AmakA rang dUr rahatA hai, aur Am bhinna rahatA hai, aisA nahIn hai. AmakA ras, rUp sab milAkar Am hai. lekin usake lakShaN bhinna-bhinna karo ki ras aisA hai-khaTTA-mIThA ras, harA- pIlA Am, isaprakAr usake rangako lakShaNabhedase bhinna karo to use bhinna kah sakate haiain aur AmakA pUrA piNDa lo, isaprakAr bhinna hai. Am, rasakA kartA nahIn hai, rasakA kartA ras hai, Am bhinna hai. aisA apekShAse kah sakate hain. use abhed karake kaho to Am hI rasarUp hai, Am hI gandharUp hai, Am hI rangarUp hai, Am hI hai.

isaprakAr dravya-paryAyako abhed karake kaho to dravya hI svayam ashuddha paryAyarUp pariNamatA hai, dravya svayam ashuddha paryAyakA kartA hai, dravyadRuShTise usakA kartA nahIn hai. use abhed karake kaho to use aisA bhI kah sakate hain aur dravyadRuShTise kaho to usakA vah kartA (nahIn hai).

dravyadRuShTise Amako aisA kaho ki rasako ras kare, rangako rang karatA hai. lekin vah sab bhinna-bhinna jagah laTakate hain aisA nahIn hai. vah to apekShAse kahanemen AtA hai. ras bhI Amamen hai, rang bhI Amamen hai, gandha bhI Amamen hai.

isaprakAr gnAnaguNakI paryAy bhI dravyamen hai, AnandakI paryAy bhI dravyamen hai, sab dravyamen hai. usase bhinna laTakate ho to dravyakA anubhav kaise ho? AnandakA anubhav kise ho? gnAnako jAnanekA anubhav kise ho? dravya aur paryAy us apekShAse ek hai. use kShaNik aur trikAlakI apekShAse bhinna kahanemen AtA hai. paryAy palaTatI rahatI hai aur dravya shAshvat hai, us apekShAse. bAkI us dravyakI hI vah paryAy hai aur us dravyakA hI vah guN hai. lekin dravya apekShAse use bhinna karake kahanemen AtA hai. paryAy aur dravyako abhed karake kaho to dravya us rUp pariNamatA hai. aisA kahanemen AtA hai.

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mUl dravyadRuShTikI apekShAse bhinna karanemen AtA hai. usakA artha aisA nahIn hai ki vah paryAy kahIn aur hai aur dravya bhinna ho gayA. to anubhav kise hogA? siddhakA anubhav kise hogA? sab guN bhinna-bhinna ho gaye, paryAy bhinna ho gayI, phir dravya kahAn rah gayA? to dravya shUnya ho gayA. apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

mumukShu- bahut sundara.

samAdhAna- sab bhinna-bhinna karo to phir dravya kahAn rahatA hai? to anubhav kise hogA? AnandakA anubhava. rAg-dveShakA anubhav hotA hai. us rAgako jaD hI kahoge to rAg aur dveShakI kaluShitatA hotI hai vah mujhe nahIn hotI hai. nahIn hotI hai, dravya apekShAse. lekin usase bhinna paDanA, Ananda pragaT karanA, vah vedan kise hogA? yadi sab bhinna-bhinna laTakatA ho to.

mUl vastukA svabhAv samajhanA hai. pAnIkI shItalatA samajhanI hai. lekin pAnI malin huA hI nahIn hai to shuddha karanA rahegA hI nahIn. pAnI malin huA hai, vah paryAy apekShAse. parantu mUl shItalatA ho to shItalatA AtI hai. pAnI garma hotA hai, lekin vAstavik garma nahIn huA hai, usakI shItalatA chalI nahIn gayI, puna shItal ho jAtA hai. mUl svabhAvako pahachAnanA. paryAyakI malinatA koI bhI apekShAse nahIn hai aisA nahIn hotA. koI apekShAse bhinna hai aur koI apekShAse abhinna hai. donon apekShA (samajhanI chAhiye).

jisakA jitanA vajan ho, paryAyakI apekShA paryAy jitanI, dravyakI apekShA dravya jitanI. dravya mUl svabhAv hai, paryAy pratikShaN badalatI hai. parantu dravyakI hI paryAy hotI hai, nirAdhAr nahIn laTakatI.

mumukShu- pUjya gurudevakI kRupAse aur Apake AshIrvAdase tattva thoDA samajhamen AtA hai, bAr-bAr gholanamen AtA hai, ... kahAn aTakanA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- andar svayamke puruShArthakI kShati hai. andar jignAsA, andar utanI gaharAIse AtmAkI or jhukanA, AtmAkA lakShaN pahachAnaneke liye. AtmA kyA hai, usakA svabhAv kyA hai, use pahachAnaneke liye utanA prayatna jo andar chAhiye, utanA prayatna chalatA nahIn. prayatnakI kShati hai. svayamkI utanI jignAsA, andar ruchi honepar bhI abhI jo visheSh dRuDhatA andar honI chAhiye, ruchikI adhik dRuDhatA, prayatna sabamen kShati rahatI hai, isIliye Age nahIn baDh sakatA hai.

mumukShu- vikalpamen barAbar bhAsit hotA hai. ghaNTon tak baiThaneke bAd bhI kahAn aTakanA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- prayatnakI kShati hai. anAdikI ekatvabuddhi hai, us ekatvabuddhikA anAdise

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aisA abhyAs ho rahA hai ki yah sharIr, ye vikalpa sabake sAth ekatvabuddhi (ho rahI hai). sthUlabuddhise sharIrase bhinnatA kare ki ye sharIr jaD hai, kuchh jAnatA nahIn. lekin vikalpake sAth jo ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai, usamen gnAyak bhinna hai, us gnAyakako grahaN karane hetu sUkShma hokar svayam gnAyakako bhinna kare to bhinnatA hotI hai.

utanA sUkShma nahIn hotA, utanA prayatna karatA nahIn, use utanI andaramen lagI nahIn, utanI laganI lage to hotA hai. usake binA kahIn chain nahIn paDe, suhAye nahIn, andarase utanI laganI chAhiye. bhale bahut bAr abhyAs kare, ghaNTon tak baiThe, lekin andar gaharAIse use joprayatna chalanA chAhiye, vah prayatna chalatA nahIn. bAr-bAr vahIn khaDA ho jAtA hai. ekatvabuddhi honese main bhinna hUn, bhinna hUn, aisI bhAvanA kare, lakShaNako pahachAne ki ye jAnanevAlA main hUn, isaprakAr vikalpase nakkI kare, lekin us rUp pariNati ho jAnI chAhiye, us rUp jIvan ho jAnA chAhiye, andarakI pariNati aisI ho jAnI chAhiye ki main to gnAyak hI hUn, pratikShaN main gnAyak hUn. baiThakar abhyAs kare yAnI pratikShaN main gnAyak hI hUn.

jaise vikalpakI jAl lagAtAr chalatI hai, vaise use pratikShaN aisA sahaj ho jAnA chAhiye ki main to gnAyak hI hUn, isaprakArakA prayatna andar chalatA nahIn. jIvan us rUp ho jAnA chAhiye arthAt aisA sahaj ho jAnA chAhiye ki main gnAyak hUn. usakI utanI mahimA Aye, utanA prayatna chale, us rUp jIvan ho jAye ki main to gnAyak hI hUn. sahajarUpase. vikalparUp chale vah alag hai, lekin main gnAyakarUp hI hUn, yah sharIr main nahIn hUn, main to gnAyak hUn. gnAyakakI or hI dRuShTi rahe aur gnAyak hI use bhAsyamAn ho, bAkI sab mujhase bhinna hai. (rAg) paryAyamen hai, lekin vah mere svabhAvase bhinna hai. isaprakAr jIvanamen aisI pariNati utanI dRuDh ho jAnI chAhiye, jaise ekatvabuddhikI pariNati (chalatI hai), usase bhI... yah to svayam hI hai, use sahaj ho jAnA chAhiye, andar tadagat pariNAm (hone chAhiyi ki) gnAyak hI hUn. aisA nahIn hotA, aisA prayatna nahIn chalatA hai.

jAgate-sote, svapnamen, khAte-pIte, chalate-phirate har vakta main gnAyak hI hUn. aisI andar pariNati dRuDh honI chAhiye. aur aisA abhyAs karate-karate jab use sahaj ho jAye, tab use yathArtha bhedagnAn hokar andar vikalpa chhUTakar nirvikalpa dashAmen Age baDhe. tabatak jA nahIn sakatA. usake jIvanamen aisI ek pariNati dRuDh ho jAye. utanA pratItikA bal (Aye), utanI pariNati dRuDh honI chAhiye, to hotA hai. aisA hue binA (nahIn hotA).

kitanonko ho to aisA antarmuhUrtamen aisA ho jAtA hai aur nahIn ho to lambe samay

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paryant abhyAs kare to bhI nahIn hotA, to usake prayatnakI kShati hai. usakA abhyAs karatA rahe, usamen thakAn nahIn lage, usake pIchhe lage, lambe samayase karate hain phir bhI kyon nahIn hotA hai? nahIn hotA hai, usakA kAraN svayamke prayatnake kShati hai.

gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, usakI mahimA, usakI ruchi, gnAyakakA lakShaN bArambAr pahachAnakar lakShaN parase lakShya (pahachAne). guN aur guNI donon abhed hai, gnAyakakA bArambAr abhyAs karatA rahe. gnAyakadev mahimAvant hai, gnAyakadevakI mahimA use chhUTe nahIn. bArambAr jIvanamen aisI pariNati dRuDh hove, jIvan us rUp ho jAye to pratikShaN use gnAyak hI lage, aisA abhyAs dRuDh ho to andarase pragaT hotA hai. prayatnakI kShati hai.

gurudev kahate the na? "nij nayananI ALase nirakhyA nahi hari'. svayamke pramAdake kAraN Alasake kAraNa. prayatna kare to bhI use pramAd rah jAtA hai, to bhI kShati rah jAtI hai. pratikShaN jo vikalpa sahaj A jAte hain to usI kShaN main bhinna hUn, usaprakArakI pariNatikA abhyAs honA chAhiye, to hotA hai. aur to use vah dRuDhatA hote-hote vikalpa chhUTakar svAnubhUti honekA prasang bane. bArambAr usakA abhyAs, dRuDhatA honI chAhiye. usamen thakanA nahIn, bArambAr abhyAs karatA rahe to svayam hI gnAyak hai, vah pragaT hue binA rahe nahIn. usakA abhyAs karatA rahe, jabatak nahIn ho tabataka.

mumukShu- kaI bAr AbhAsamen aisA lagatA hai ki vastumen pakaDame A jAyegI. puna chalI jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- usake samIp jAye, bAr-bAr kare. use aisA lage ki ab pakaDamen A jAyegA, utanA jor Aye, lekin vah TikatA nahIn, isaliye (chhUT jAtA hai aisA lage). puruShArthakI gatimen pheraphAr hotA rahatA hai. kabhI tIvra puruShArtha chale, kabhI manda paD jAye, kabhI madhyam ho jAye. puruShArthakI gatimen pheraphAr honese aisA lage ki pakaDamen A jAyegA, phir manda paDe, phir madhyam paDe. lekin isIprakAr usakA prayatna karate rahanese vah pakaDamen Aye binA rahatA nahIn. svayam hI, dUsarA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- use chhoDanA nahIn.

samAdhAna- hAn, use chhoDanA hI nahIn. kyon nahIn hotA? aisI ulajhanamen nahIn AnA, dhairya rakhanA. dhairya rakhanese pakaDameen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. usakI mahimA chhUTe nahIn, usamen shuShkatA Aye nahIn. usakI mahimA aur usamen hI Ananda, usamen hI sukh, sab sarvasva usamen hai. anAdikAlake jo janma-maraN hai aur ye vibhAvakA jo dukh hai, us vibhAvake dukhase chhUTane hetu gnAyak sarvasva hai, us gnAyakamen hI sab Ananda aur sukh hai. bAhar kahIn nahIn hai. aisI pratIti, gnAyakadevakI mahimA, abhyAs karanemen thakanA nahIn, shuShkatA Aye nahIn, usakI mahimA chhUTe nahIn to Age baDhe binA rahe

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nahIn.

bAharase bhagavAnake mandiramen jAye to bhagavAnake dvAr par jaise Tahel lagAtA hai, aise gnAyakake dvAr par Tahel mArate hI rahanA, thakanA nahIn. chAhe jitanA samay lage lekin use chhoDanA nahIn.

mumukShu- kAlake sAmane nahIn dekhanA.

samAdhAna- kAlake sAmane nahIn dekhanA. usakA abhyAs karanese use pragaT hue binA rahe hI nahIn. svayam hI hai, usamen hI sab bharA hai. usakI pratItikA jor rakhakar prayatna karate hI rahanA, thakanA nahIn.