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mumukShu- utpAd-vyay-dhruvakA gnAn bhI yathArtha hI honA chAhiye hai na?

samAdhAna- yathArtha honA chAhiye. utpAd-vyay-dhruvakA gnAn jaisA hai vaisA honA chAhiye. sab apekShAonse honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- is yathArtha gnAnamen dhruvakA Alamban abhiprAyamen A jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- yathArtha gnAnamen dhravakA Alamban, yathArtha gnAn-samyakagnAn ho to usamen samyakadRuShTi sAthamen hI hotI hai. samyakadRuShTi ho use samyakagnAn sAthamen hotA hI hai. utpAd-vyay-dhruvakI sab apekShAen AnI chAhiye. kuchh hai hI nahIn, akelA dravya hI hai, aise samajanese Age nahIn baDhA jAtA. bilakUl nikAl denese Age nahIn baDhA jAtA.

utpAd-vyay-dhruvavAlA dravya hai usamen nahIn AtA. nay aur pramANa. nay-pramAN sAthamen hote hain. pramAN jUThA nahIn hai. pramAN shAstramen kyon kahanemen AtA hai? jais nay yathArtha hai, dravya par dRuShTi karanevAlI nay yathArtha hai, vaise pramAN bhI yathArtha hai. ek dUsareko sAth denevAle hain. rAjA aur pradhAn sab sAthamen hotA hai. vah to donon bhinna-bhinna hain.

mumukShu- ek rAjA hai, pradhAn hai, vah sab..

samAdhAna- sab pahalU jAnane hain.

mumukShu- ekamen ahampanA karanA..

samAdhAna- yah dravya hai vah main hUn, aise dRuShTiko thambhAnI chAhiye. yahI main hUn, dUsarA kuchh merA svarUp nahIn hai, yah dravya hai vahI main hUn. aisA gnAyak, chetanatAse bharA jo dravya hai, vah main hUn. phir usamen kyA pariNaman hotA hai aur kaun-sI paryAyen hotI hain, vah sab gnAnamen AtA hai. pahalemen ek grahaN kar liyA, dhyey grahaN kiyA. phir usamen kyA hai, vah sab (gnAnamen jAnatA hai).

yah ek nagar hai, aisA nakkI kiyA, usamen dhyey bAndhA. phir usamen kyA-kyA hai use gnAn jAnatA hai. yah chaitanya hUn. aise dRuShTiko sthir kI, pratItako us par dRuDh kI. yah vastu hai, main chaitanya hUn, aisA grahaN kiyA. grahaN kiyA, phir usamen kyA hai? yah mujhe mAlUm nahIn hai. ek astitva grahaN kiyA. bAkI sab to gnAnamen AtA hai, main kuchh nahIn jAnatA. ek astitva (grahaN kiyA). nagar hai. usamen kyA hai, yah

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mAlUm nahIn. aisA usakA artha huA.

mumukShu- sAthamen gnAn to honA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- sAthamen gnAn honA chAhiye. tab usakI yathArtha sAdhanA hotI hai. shuddhAtmA hai lekin usakA paryAyamen vedan nahIn hai. AtmAkA svarUp jo.. svAnubhUtikA vedan nahIn hai, usake guNonkI svarUpakI orakI nirmal paryAyenn pragaT nahIn huI hai. vibhAvakA vedan hai aur nakkI aisA kiyA ki main shuddhAtmA hUn. parantu vedan to yah hai. svarUpakA vedan kaise ho? vah to use AnA chAhiye. vedan kaise ho?

mumukShu- usakA to prayojan hai.

samAdhAna- prayojanabhUt hai. vedan nahIn hai. shuddhAtmA nakkI kiyA ki yah astitva main hUn. meremen koI parapadArtha pratikA vibhAv nahIn hai, main chaitanya hUn. lekin yah vibhAvakA vedan hai, usakA kAraN kyA? aur svabhAvakA vedan kaise ho? use jAnanA chAhiye aur us orakA puruShArtha use hue binA rahatA nahIn. gnAn to sAth hI sAth hai, vah alag nahIn ho jAtA. ek dravyake jo guN hain, vah donon guN alag (nahIn ho jAte). donon paraspar ekadUsareko sAth denevAle hain. ek guN dUsare guNase viruddha kArya nahIn karate. ek dravyamen rahe hue guN ekadUsareko sAth denevAle hain. ekakI dishA jis or jAy, us or sabhIkI dishA hotI hai.

sarva guNAnsh so samyagdarshana. ek or dRuShTi gaI, usake sAth gnAn bhI us dishAmen jAtA hai. sab us dishAmen jAtA hai. ekadUsareko sAth denevAle hain. usase bhinna nahIn ho jAte ki ek kuchh kArya karatA hai aur dUsarA kuchh usase alag viparIt kArya karatA hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. usakI lInatA bhI us or jAtI hai, sab us or jAtA hai. ek dRuShTine AtmAko grahaN kiyA, phir paryAy rahI vah dUsarA kuchh karatI hai, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai. dravyako bhI gnAn jAnatA hai, gnAn paryAyako jAne, gnAn sab jAnatA hai. aur dRuShTi svayam dravya par sthir rahatI hai ki main shuddhAtmA hUn. paryAyamen gnAn sab kArya karatA hai, puruShArtha hotA hai, lInatA hotI hai, sab us or hotA hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTi nishchitarUpase baiThanese puruShArthako veg milatA hai, aisA hai?

samAdhAna- hAn, puruShArthako veg milatA hai. dRuShTi nishchay hai ki yahI main shuddhAtmA hUn, to puruShArthako veg milatA hai. lekin aisA mAne ki kuchh karanA nahIn hai, to veg nahIn milatA. parantu dRuShTi sthir hokar, abhI paryAyamen kuchh (bAkI) hai, aisA gnAnamen ho to veg milatA hai. to dRuShTimen samyakatA AtI hai. gnAnamen aisA ho ki abhI vibhAv hai. aisA gnAnamen honA chAhiye. dRuShTi ek sthir huI, lekin paryAyamen vibhAv hai, aisA

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gnAnamen ho, donon sAthamen ho to veg milatA hai.

mumukShu- jitanI gnAnamen kachAs khyAlamen Aye to koI bAt nahIn, dRuShTise vah sab nikal jAyegA. gnAnamen kuchh kachAs khyAlamen Aye to hI dRuShTimen veg mile na ki abhI itanA bAkI hai.

samAdhAna- to dRuShTiko veg mile. donon paraspar hain. dRuShTiko veg milatA hai gnAnase aur dRuShTise gnAnako veg milatA hai. lInatA Adi sab paraspar ekasAth rahe hain. virUddha kArya nahIn karate.

mumukShu- sarva padArtha utpAd-vyay-dhrauvyAtmak hain. utpAd-vyay-dhrauvyAtka honase svayam hI TikatA hai aur svayam hI pariNamatA hai. donon vastuke apane svabhAv hain. to phir jo aisA kahanemen AtA hai ki paryAy dravyamense AtI hai. guN to ekarUp rahate hain, phir paryAy dravyamense AtI hai aur dUsare samay dravyamen vilIn hokar dravyamen chalI jAtI hai, usakA Ashay kyA hai?

samAdhAna- dravya svayam pariNamatA hai. usake guN jo svabhAv hai, vah guN kArya karate hain. gnAn gnAnarUp, darshan darshanarUpa. jo ananta guN hain, sarva apane-apane kArya karate hain. aur kArya vilIn hotA hai. paryAyakA svabhAv hI aisA hai ki vah kArya kare aur dUsare kShaN vyay hotA hai. ek samayamen utpAd-vyay-dhruv ekasAth rahate hain, aur dUsare samay (bhI vaisA hI rahatA hai). utpAd-vyay aur dhruv sab sAthamen hI rahate hain. dUsarA-dUsarA utpAd hotA jAtA hai, pahalekA vyay hotA jAtA hai. vyay hotA jAtA hai. dravyamen usakI yogyatA hotI hai.

mumukShu- samay-samayamen guN pariNamate rahate hain. guN to nitya rahate hain. to sAmAnyamense visheSh AtA hai, aisA jo kahanemen AtA hai, usake pIchhe kyA rahasya hai?

samAdhAna- sAmAnyamense visheSha. sAmAnyakA aisA svabhAv hI hai. sAmAnya use kahate hain ki koI kArya kare. gnAnaguN-jAnanA svabhAv hai, AtmAkA gnAyak svabhAv hai. gnAyak hai, vah gnAyak jAnanerUp kArya karatA ho to hI vah jAnanA kahen kaise? usakA kuchh jAnanekA kArya hI na ho to jAnanA kaise kahA jAy? Ananda AnandakA kArya na kare to Ananda kahA jAy? sAmAnyakA artha hI aisA hai ki sAmAnya ho vahAn visheSh hotA hI hai. visheSh binAkA sAmAnya hotA hI nahIn. visheSh binAkA sAmAnya nahIn hotA aur jo sAmAnya hai usamense visheSh hotA hI hai. visheSh sAmAnyake Ashrayase hotA hai. aur sAmAnya ho vah visheSharUp pariNamit hue binA rahe hI nahIn. vah sAmAnya kaisA? usakA kArya na kare (to) gnAn kaise kahA jAy? gnAn gnAnarUp pariName nahIn to gnAn kaisA? Ananda AnandarUp pariNamit na ho to Ananda kaise kahA jAy? AnandakA

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vedan na Aye to Ananda kaise kahA jAy? aise ananta guN yadi svayam apane rUp yadi kArya na kare to vah guN kaise kahA jAy? sAmAnya hai vah anAdiananta ekarUp rahatA hai aur usake sab kArya badalate jAte hain. sAmAnya ho vahAn visheSh hotA hI hai. utpAd-vyay aur dhruv rUp hI dravya ho to hI vah dravya kahA jAya.

mumukShu- yadi guNamense kArya AtA ho to vikArI kArya, jo vikArI vibhAv utpanna hote hain vah bhI guNamense AtA hai?

samAdhAna- AtmAmen aisI vibhAvik shakti hai. vibhAvik shakti hai isaliye vibhAvaparyAy hotI hai. usakA vah nimitta hai. usakI vaisI koI yogyatA hI nahIn hai, aisA nahIn hai. AtmAmen ek aisI vibhAvik shakti hai. aisI yogyatA hai ki jo vibhAvarUp pariNamatI hai. nimitta kuchh karavAtA nahIn, nimitta hai, lekin aisI usakI yogyatA hai ki us rUp pariNamatA hai. sphaTik nirmalarUp usakA svabhAv hai. lekin nimitta Aye to lAlarUp pariNamit ho to nimitta lAl nahIn karatA. lekin sphaTikakI yogyatA hai ki us rUp pariNamit ho.

usI prakAr AtmAmen ek vibhAvik shakti hai ki jo vibhAvarUp pariNamatI hai. lekin jab vah svabhAvarUp pariNamit hotA hai to vibhAvik yogyatA vaise rah jAtI hai, basa. lekin vah guN aisA nahIn hai ki guN palaTakar... ye guN to aise hain, gnAyak- gnAn, Ananda Adi guN to aise hain ki AtmAke sAth aise juDe hain ki usakA kArya Aye. usIkA nAm guN kahalAtA hai. kArya na Aye to guN hI nahIn kahA jAtA. aise vah visheSh guN hain AtmAmen. gnAn, Ananda aur dUsarI sab shaktiyAn hain, dharma hain. vah kArya karatA hai. usamen bhale kamI-besI nahIn hotI. gnAn gnAnarUp jAnanekA kArya karatA hI rahatA hai. kamI-baise vastu svarUpase nahIn hotI. mUlamen kamI-pesI nahIn hotI. paryAyamen kamI-besI dikhatI hai. mUl vastumen kamI-basI hotI nahIn.

vah to koI AtmAkA achintya svabhAv hai, guNonkA achintya, paryAyakA achintya vah sab svabhAv yuktise amuk prakArase usakA siddhAnt svayam biThA sakatA hai. bAkI Ananda guN ananta kAl siddha bhagavAnamen pariNamatA rahatA hai to Ananda khatma hI nahIn hotA. chAhe jitanA pariName to bhI khatma hI nahIn hotA. usamen koI kamI nahIn ho jAtI. vah baDhakar bAhar nahIn chalA jAtA. apanI maryAdA nahIn chhoDatA hai. AtmAmen aisI koI adabhUt shakti hai. use agurulaghu kahate hain. baDhe aur kam ho, hAni-vRuddhi. hAni-vRuddhi vAstavarUpase andar kuchh hotI hI nahIn. ShaTaguNahAnivRuddhi tAratamyatA hotI hai. vastu svarUpamen kuchh hotA nahIn. phir bhI kamI-besI hotI hai. paryAyamen alag, guNamen alag aisA koI AtmAkA achintya svabhAv hai. usakI apekShAse samajhanA chAhiye.

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dravya anAdiananta, usake guN anAdiananta, paryAyamen pheraphAr ho. vibhAvik shaktike kAraN vibhAv hotA hai, vah to vedanamen AtA hai, phir bhI shuddhAtmA dravya vaisA kA vaisA rahatA hai. vah sab usake svabhAvako milAn karake samajhanA chAhiye. shAstramen AtA hai, usake anusAr barAbar mel karake samajhanA paDe. jo nitya hai, guNommen koI pheraphAr (hotA nahIn), anAdiananta nitya hai, to phir usamen paryAyakI anityatA kahAn-se AyI? usakA svabhAv hai, vah paryAyamen pariNamatA rahe. gnAn gnAnakA kArya karatA rahatA hai.

anAdi ananta pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp dravya hai. usamen pragaTamen vibhAv paryAy hotI hai aur jab samyagdarshan hotA hai, tab bhedagnAn hotA hai. vahAn amuk anshamen sAdhak dashA hotI hai, to thoDI nirmal paryAy aur thoDI vibhAv pariNati rahatI hai. jitane anshamen, bAkI vibhAv khaDA rahatA hai. dravyadRuShTise pUrNa dravya lakShyamen AyA isaliye usI vakta pUrNa nahIn ho jAtA. dravya anAdiananta pUrNa hai aisI dRuShTi huyI, to bhI paryAyamen abhI vibhAv Adi hai. samyagdarshanakI dashA hotI hai, lekin abhI chAritramen bAkI rah jAtA hai. svabhAvase pUrNa lekin paryAyamen adhUrA. lekin vah paryAy kisakI? paryAyamen adhUrA hai vah dravyakI hI paryAy hai. paryAy nirAdhAr laTakatI nahIn hai. paryAyakA vedan koI dUsareko nahIn hotA, svayamko hI hotA hai. usakA mel karake samajhanA chAhiye. antaramen antatattva ekamek rUpase guN aur dravya hai, parantu paryAyamen pheraphAr hai. in sabakA mel karake samajhanA chAhiye. dRuShTi ek sAmAnyako grahaN kare, parantu phir visheShamen kyA hai? gnAnamen barAbar yathArtha jAnanA paDe to use sAdhakadashA chalatI hai.

mumukShu- vibhAv jo hotA hai vah vibhAvik shaktike kAraN hotA hai? chAritraguNamen jo vikAr huA, usakA kAraN vibhAvik shakti lenI?

samAdhAna- aisI vibhAvik shakti hai AtmAmen aur apane puruShArthakI mandatA hai aur nimittakI or svayam juDatA hai, apane chAritraguNamen utanA adhUrApan hai aur vibhAvik shakti hai. vibhAvik shakti karavAtI nahIn, lekin svayam apane puruShArthakI mandatAse usamen juDatA hai. kuchh visheShaguN, kuchh sAmAnyaguN, visheShaguN Adi anek prakArake dharma usamen hain.

mumukShu- visheSh AtA hai usakA artha itanA huA ki guN guNarUp rahakar pariNamate hain.

sAmAnya- nahIn to visheSh Aye kahAn-se? visheSh gnAnakA jAnanekA kArya hai, vah kisIke Ashrayase hai. kShaNabhar pariNaman karake badal jAtA hai vah kisIke Ashrayase hai, Ashrayake binA nahIn hai. sAmAnyake Ashrayase visheSh pariNamatA hai.

mumukShu- arthAt koI paryAy paradravyamense nahIn AtI.

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samAdhAna- .. (svadravyamense) paryAy AtI hai. aur guN dravyake (Ashrayase rahe hain). dravya aur guN donon ekamek hai. paryAy kShaNik hai, anAdi ananta nahIn hai, badalatI hai. agni uShNa hai, us uShNatAkA kArya use hotA rahatA hai. pAnI ThaNDA hai, us ThanDakakA kArya vah usake svayamke shItalaguNake svabhAvake kAraN hotA hai. lekin yadi sAmAnya apanA kArya na kare to sAmAnya hI nahIn rahatA. agni (kyon kahalAtI hai)? kyonki uShNa hai. pAnI ThaNDA kyon kahalAtA hai? kyonki vah shItal hai. vah sab usakA svabhAv hai. sAmAnyarUp hai, lekin usakA kArya karatA hai-ThaShNerUp, uShNarUpa.

mumukShu- vibhAvik shakti hai, vah trikAl hai yA kaise hai?

samAdhAna- trikAl hai, lekin usakI paryAy vibhAvakI or jAtI hai to vibhAvarUp pariNamatI hai. svabhAvamen jAy to usakI pariNati palaT jAtI hai. nimittake AshrayakI or jAtI hai to vibhAvarUp pariNamatI hai. nimittakA Ashray chhoDakar svayam svabhAvamen jAy to palaT jAtI hai, usakI paryAy-pariNati palaT jAtI hai.

.. jalamen samAtA hai isaliye pAnI pAnIrUp hai, tarangarUp nahIn rahate, pAnIrUp rahatA hai. tarang hokar jo jalarUp hote hain, vah tarangarUp nahIn rahate. pAnIke andar tarangarUp nahIn hote. pAnIrUp yAnI usake dravyarUp-vastu jo pAnI hai us rUp ho jAte hain. tarang usamen samAte hain arthAt usake us jAtike jo gnAn, darshan, chAritrag guN hain, us rUp hai. usamen tarangarUp nahIn rahate.

mumukShu- ApakA aisA kahanA hai ki..

samAdhAna- .. paryAy us rUp-dravya aur guNarUp sAmAnyarUp (ho jAtI hai). pahale dravya is prakAr pariNamA thA, us jAtikI usamen shakti hai ki is prakAr dravya pariNamA thA. aise. lekin tarang tarangarUp andar nahIn rahate. tarang andar sAmAnyarUp (ho jAte hain). tarang nahIn rahate, usamen samAte hain isaliye jalake tarang jalarUp ho jAte hain arthAt jalarUp yAnI sAmAnyarUp ho jAte hain. vahAn tarangakA kAm nahIn karatA. vah tarangakA kAm nahIn karatA, sAmAnyarUp ho jAtA hai. ye tarang pAnImen is prakAr pariName the, aisI usamen shakti rahatI hai. aise tarang pAnImen hue the. bAkI tarang tarangarUp nahIn rahate hain.

samAdhAna- .. AtmAkI jignAsA honI chAhiye ki mujhe AtmA kaise samajhamen Ay? AtmAmen anAdi kAlase vibhAv pariNati ho rahI hai. dukh jo anAdikAlakA janma-maraNakA hai, janma-maraNakA dukh, vibhAvakA dukh, andar AkulatAkA dukh vah sab kaise Tale aur AtmA kaise samajhamen Aye? usake liye jignAsA ho aur vah jignAsA itanI gaharI ho aur gurukA upadesha. guru jo upadesh dete hain usamen kyA kahate

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hain, use svayam antarase grahaN kare. aur use aisI gaharI jignAsA hotI hai. ek AtmAkA prayojan hotA hai, dUsarA koI prayojan jise nahIn hai. koI bAharakA prayojan athavA bAharamen Age AnekA, aisA kisI bhI prakArakA prayojan nahIn hai, ek AtmAkA hI prayojan nahIn hai. ek AtmAkA hI prayojan hai. use amuk prakArakA vibhAvakA ras kam (ho jAtA hai), amuk prakArakI kaShAyonkI mandatA ho jAtI hai. jo anantAnubandhIke kaShAy hain vah use manda ho jAte haiain aur antaramen ek AtmAkA hI prayojan hotA hai. "kaShAyakI upashAntatA mAtra mokSha abhilASh'. jise mokShakI abhilAShA hai. antaramen AtmArthakA ek prayojan hai, vah pAtratA hai.

koI bhI kAryamen mujhe AtmA kaise samajhamen Aye? use ek hI dhyey hotA hai. bhedagnAn kaise ho? kaise puruShArtha karun? kaise karun? kaise mArga samajhamen Aye? AtmA kaun hai? usakA svabhAv kyA hai? vibhAv kyA hai? sab nakkI karaneke liye, tattvakA nirNay karaneke liye vichAr, vAnchan Adi sab antarase (hotA hai). jise antarase aisI jignAsA ho, vah karatA rahe, usake liye laganI lage. aur jab tak vah nahIn ho tab tak bAharamen dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, jinendradev, guru, shAstramen kyA AtA hai? gurudevane kyA hai? sabakA vah antaramen vichAr kare.

ek shuddhAtmA kaise pahachAnamen Aye? vibhAv binAkA, jisamen vikalpa nahIn hai, jo nirvikalpa tattva hai, vah kaise pahachAnamen Aye? usakA bhedagnAn kaise ho? vah mArga kaise mile? svAnubhUti kaise ho? kyA vastu svarUp hai? usakA bArambAr vichAr kare. bArambAr antarase usakI jignAsA (kare). din-rAt usakA manthan hotA hai, vah pAtratAkA ek lakShaN hai.