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samAdhAna- .. manaphUlAbahan hai na? Ashramamen sab jagah toraN bAndhe the. ek manaphUlA hai aur dUsare parNaphUlA hai. gogIdevIke nAmase thA na. ... kaun jAne kyA huA? kuchh yAd nahIn hai. toraN bAndhe the. sab kamaremen Amake toraN bAndhe the. yahAn hamAre ghar Amake toraN bAndhe the. kuchh nayA hI lagatA thA.

"mAre AngaNiye rUDA rAm rame...' anyamatamen ek gAnA AtA hai na? mere Anganamen chAron or bhagavAn dikhate hain. vaise yahAn gAnA gAte the, "mAre AngaNiye rUDA rAm rame...' (chAron or) bhagavAn dikhate hain, aisA lagatA thA. yahAn hai na? bhagavAn dikhate hain na? chAron or mAnastambha. jahAn dekho vahAn bhagavAn dikhate hain, aisA hote the. aise gurudevake sAnnidhyamen Ashramamen rahanA vah to kitanA mushkila. bahut jagah Ashram hoenge, parantu aise gurudevakI vANI milatI ho, aise Ashram to milane mushkil hai.

.. dhyey rakhanA. jIvanamen ek dhyey rakhanA. dhyey-AtmA kaise pahachAnamen Aye? gnAyak AtmA. jIvanamen jo nirNay kiyA hai, us nirNayakI dRuDhatAse Age baDhanA. andar puruShArtha ho vah puruShArtha karanA, bhedagnAnakA abhyAs karanA. shubhabhAvamen dev-guru-shAstrakI ArAdhanA aur andar gnAyakadevakI ArAdhanA aur mahimA. bas! bAkI sab vibhAvabhAvonko gauN kar denA aur gnAyakadevako mukhya karake jIvan vyatIt ho. bas! yah ekI dhyeya. isI dhyeyakI dRuDhatA. jo nakkI kiyA ki is prakAr jIvan vyatIt karanA hai. usI dhyeyakI dRuDhatAse Age baDhanA hai.

shAstra svAdhyAy, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA aur andar shuddhAtmA kaise pahachAnamen Aye? main to bahut bAr yah ek hI kahatI hUn aur yah ek hI karanA hai. ek AtmAko pahachAne, bas, usamen sab A jAtA hai. use pahachAnanekI bhAvanAmen yah sab kArya- dev-guru-shAstrake sAnnidhyamen rahakar unakI ArAdhanA aur AtmAkI ArAdhAnA, bas! yah karanekA hai.

laukikake jIvan dekho to kaise jAte hain. yah jIvan, yah jIvan jo AtmAke liye vyatIt kiyA vah jIvan hI jIvan hai. bAkIke jIvan, sab sansArake jIvan vyartha hai. laukik jIvanamen pUrA dinA khAnA, pInA, yah, vah, vyavahAr rakho, yah rakho, vah

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rakho, aisA jIvan vah jIvan nahIn hai. is manuShya jIvanamen Akar gnAyakakA dhyey aur dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya mile, usamen hI jIvan vyatIt ho vahI jIvan hai. bAkI to sab jIvan niShphal jIvan, sUkhA jIvan hai, sab tuchchha jIvan hai. vah jIvan Adarane yogya nahIn hai. ek shuddhAtmA Adarane yogya hai. vah sab jIvan vyartha hai. jis jIvanamen kuchh kiyA nahIn, shuddhAtmAkA dhyey rakhA nahIn, ArAdhanA kI nahIn, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA nahIn kI, vah jIvan vyartha hai.

vah AtA hai na? yah gRuhasthAshram kis kAmakA ki jis gRuhasthAshramamen guruke pAvan charaN nahIn hai, jisamen gurukA AhAradAn nahIn hai, jisamen jinendradevake darshan nahIn hai, jisamen shAstrakA svAdhyAy nahIn hai, us gRuhasthAshramako AchAryadev kahate hain, pAnImen DUbo denA. gRuhasthonko aisA kahate hain. vah gRuhasthAshram to AdaraNIy hai hI nahIn, yah AtmA AdaraNIy hai. dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya AdaraNIy hai, shuddhAtmAke dhyeyapUrvaka. andar mukhya to AtmA ArAdhanIy hai. usake sAth dev-guru-shAstrakI ArAdhanA.

mumukShu- Apake Ashrayase hamArA jIvan saphal ho, vahI bhAvanA.

samAdhAna- ... yah sab yahAn Ate hain, kyA karanA? .. kartAbuddhi, ekatvabuddhi TUT gayI aur gnAtAdhArA pragaT ho gayI. main gnAyak hUn, aisA vikalpase nirNay karatA hai vah alag, gnAnIko sahaj rahatA hai. gnAtAdhArA chAlu hI hai. do dhArA sAthamen chalatI hai. phir vichAr nahIn karanA paDatA ki yah vikalpa A gayA, main to gnAyak hUn. yah ekatva ho gayA, aisA vichAr nahIn karanA paDatA. vikalpakI dhArA aur gnAtAkI dhArA do dhArA sAthamen chalatI hai. shubhAshubh koI bhI vikalpa ho, Unchese UnchA vikalpa ho, to bhI usakI donon dhArA chAlU hai, pratikShaN chAlU hai. dev-guru-shAstrake shubh vikalpa ho to bhI use gnAtAdhAr to chAlU hI hai. usamen ekatva nahIn hotA. use bahut bhAv Aye, bahut bhakti Aye isaliye usakI dhArA TUT jAy aur ekatva ho jAy, aisA use nahIn hotA. usakI gnAtAdhArA to chAlU hI rahatI hai. bhAv Aye, utsAh Aye, chAhe jaise shubh vikalpa ho to bhI usakI gnAtAdhArA to chAlU hI hai.

mumukShu- shuddha pariNatike anukUl aisA shubharAg Ane par bhI usamen ekatva hotA nahIn.

samAdhAna- ekatva nahIn hotA. kartRutva to hI chhUTegA, gnAyakakA bal baDhanese. main to gnAyak hUn, udAsIn gnAyak, basa. kisIkA kuchh nahIn kar sakatA, main to gnAyak hUn. juD jAtA hUn, lekin main gnAyak hUn, yah merA svabhAv nahIn hai, main to jAnanevAlA hUn. gnAtA rahanekA, gnAyak svabhAvakI jise dRuDhatA ho ki main to gnAyak hI hUn, aise

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udAsIn rahanekI, udAsInatAmen jise ras ho, jise gnAtAkA ras ho, vah rah sakatA hai.

jIvako anAdise kartAbuddhikA itanA ras lagA hai ki main karun, yah kiyA, mainne kiyA, mainne kiyA usake rasamen, gnAtA hokar nivRutta rahanA ki main kuchh nahIn kar sakatA, vah use mushkil lagatA hai. jise gnAyakakA ras ho, jise gnAyakakI mahimA ho, vah andarase mahimAse nirNay kare, shraddhA kare aur pariNati pragaT kar sake. vikalpamen bhI jise andar gnAyak rahanekA utanA ras ho yA jise andar gnAyakakI nivRutta dashA ruchatI ho vah rah sake. jise kartRutvabuddhi ruchatI ho vah nahIn rah sakatA.

andarase mahimA laganI chAhiye. usane vichArase nakkI to kiyA ki main kartA nahIn hUn, gnAtA hUn. lekin use gnAyakakA mahimA aur ras ho to use gnAyakakI bArambAr bhAvanA aur jignAsA ho, to use pariNati pragaT hotI hai. kuchh karanA nahIn hai, aisI nivRutta dashA jise suhAtI ho, ruchatI ho vah andar rah sakatA hai.

mumukShu- kuchh kiye binA rah sake, aisA?

samAdhAna- hAn. main kuchh nahIn kar sakatA. main to jAnanevAlA hUn. aisI udAsInatA aur aisI gnAyakakI mahimA jise lage, vah svayam shraddhA karake vaisI pariNati kar sakatA hai, to usakI sahaj dashA hotI hai. ... nikammA ho jAy, main kuchh nahIn kar sakatA? shUnya ho jAy? niShkriy ho jAy? aisA andar lagatA ho vah nahIn rah sakatA.

mumukShu- isamen sab upAdhi khatma ho jAtI hai, bojA khatma ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- andar ras laganA chAhiye. shraddhA to kare. phir chhUTe to bAdamen. pahale aisI shraddhA to kare. andar aisI mahimA, shraddhA kare. pariNati bAdamen pragaT hotI hai. pariNati pragaT honeke bAd alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. lekin use andar ekatvabuddhi toDanI mushkil paDatI hai. siddha bhagavAnako kuchh nahIn karanekA hai? pravRuttikA utanA ras hotA hai, isaliye aisA lagatA hai ki kuchh nahIn karanekA? yah sab chhUT jAyagA to shUnya ho jAyenge to? aisA ho jAtA hai. parantu andar svabhAvamen sab bharA hai, aisI mahimA andarase AnI chAhiye, utanI shraddhA andarase AnI chAhiye.

mumukShu- gnAnadhArA bhI nirvikalpapane kAm kar rahI hai?

samAdhAna- jaise shraddhA kArya karatI hai, vaise gnAnadhArA bhI sahaj kAm karatI hai. use vikalpa nahIn uThAnA paDatA. gnAnadhArA bhI nirvikalpapane kAm karatI hai aur shraddhA bhI vaise hI kAm karatI hai. nirvikalpa yAnI svAnubhUtikI nirvikalpatA nahIn. usakI pariNati us jAtakI hai, pariNati us jAtakI hai. use rAgakA vikalpa kar-karake rahanA paDatA hai, aisA nahIn hai. sahaj pariNati (chalatI) hai.

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to anAdise sahaj ho gayI hai. ekatva (pariNatiko) vikalpa karake rakhanI nahIn paDatI. vikalpa juDe hue hain, vaise hI rahatI hai.

vaise gnAnadhArA bhI usakI aisI sahaj ho jAtI hai ki use vikalpa karake rakhanI nahIn paDatI. apanA svabhAv hai isaliye vah to sahaj hI hai. lekin svayam us rUp sahaj pariNamatA nahIn, isaliye vah sahaj nahIn hotI. kartRutvabuddhikA ras lagA hai. isaliye svayam sahaj nahIn pariNamatA. usakI gnAnadhArA sahaj hI hai. jaise ekatvadhArA (chalatI thI), usamense bhedagnAnakI dhArA huyI to udayadhArA aur gnAnadhArA, donon use chAlU ho jAtI hai.

mumukShu- us prakArakA ras honA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- us prakArakA gnAtAdhArAkA ras andarase laganA chAhiye.

mumukShu- mujhe dIkShA hI lenI hai, aisA bachapanase (lagatA thA). dukAn par baiThate the tab shAstra hI paDhate the. chhoTe the (us vakta) yadi koI bhakti kare, bhajan kare unake pAs jAte the. aisA unako bachapanase vairAgya thA. bAdamen pAlej gaye. unakA janma umarAlAmen huA, thoDe sAl vahAn rahe, bAdamen pAlej gaye. vahAn dukAn par baiThate. unake bhAI ... svayam svAdhyAy karate the. 22-23 sAlakI umramen guru DhUnDhaneke liye hindustAnamen phire ki koI achchhe guru mile. boTAd sampradAyake hirAjI mahArAj sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen dIkShA lI.

tatpashchAt shAstrakA abhyAs bahut (kiyA), sab vichAr karake paDhA, usamense unhen lagA ki sachchA mArga kyA hai. sthAnakavAsI, shvetAmbar shAstra aur digambar shAstra, sab shAstra paDhe. usamense unhen aisA lagA ki mujhe AtmAkA karanA hai. yah sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna, andar AtmA jAnanevAlA, yah vikalpajAl ho rahI hai vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. bas, ek gnAyak AtmA mujhe samajhamen A gayA. samayasAr digambar shAstra (milA), usamense unhen vah andarase samajhamen AyA aur antaramen utar gaye. usamense unhen aisA lagA ki ab mujhe is bhesamen nahIn rahanA hai. isaliye unhonne yahAn Akar parivartan kiyA.

sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen ve bahut uchcha koTike gine jAte the. unakI kriyAen barAbar shAstra anusAr thI. jo AhAr le to barAbar unake liye kiyA ho to aisA kuchh nahIn lete the. thoDA bhI aisA lage ki unake liyA banAyA hai to vApas chale jAte. itane (kaDak the). unake pravachanamen hajAron log Ate the. subah pAnch-pAnch bajese sab bichhAvan lagA dete the, jagah rokaneke liye. unakA pravachan AtmA par chalatA, sab sunakar Ashcharyachakit ho jAte. pravachanamen koI AvAj nahIn karatA. koI vastu girI ho to AvAj Aye, itanI shAnti unake pravachanamen hotI thI. utane loga. sthAnakavAsIke

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bahut uchcha koTike (gine jAte the). unakI kriyAen itanI sakhta thI. shAstra anusAr pAlate the.

shAstramen jo likhA ho utane hI kapaDe rakhe, usI tarah vihAr kare, koI chIj lene jAy to unake liye banAyI gayI koI vastu nahIn lete, turanta vApas chale Ate. aisI to unakI kriyAen thI. usamense unhen lagA ki AtmAkI bAt digambar shAstramen hai. main yah mAnatA hUn to is bhesamen rahakar kyA karun? isaliye antaramen to utar gaye, phir parivartan kiyA. muhapattikA tyAg kiyA. logonko un par atyant bhakti thI. unhonne parivartan kiyA to bahut logonne virodh bhI kiyA, phir bhI svayam aDig rahe. yahAn ek makAn hai vahAn parivartan kiyA. phir vaShA tak shAstrakA abhyAs, svayam andar bahut gnAn-dhyAn karate the. phir logonko dhIre-dhIre lagA ki jo kAnajIsvAmI kahate hain vah satya hai. unhonne parivartan kiyA (barAbar hai). unakI chhAp logommen itanI ho gayI thI. itanI chhAp ho gayI thI to dhIre-dhIre log unake pIchhe phirase Ane lage. thoDe to unake sAth hI khaDe the.

sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen itanI chhAp thI ki sab dhIre-dhIre (A gaye). ve kahate hain vah satya hI hai. kAnajIsvAmI binA vichAr kiye kuchh nahIn karate. sab log unake pAs vApas Aye. tatpashchAt unakA vihAr Adi shurU huA. bAdamen dhIre-dhIre sab bhakta ikaTThe hone lage. unhonne kisIko kuchh nahIn kahA hai. bhaktonne milakar svAdhyAy mandir, mandir, yah samavasaraN, mAnastambh sabane milakar banAyA. phir dhIre-dhIre unakA vihAr (chAlU huA). pahale saurAShTramen vihAr huA, phir dhIre-dhIre gujarAtamen, mumbaImen har jagah gaye. vyAkhyAnen itane log Ate the. unake pravachanamen itanI AtmAkI bAten AtI thI ki log Ashcharyachakit hokar sunate the.

phir to unhoenne yAtrA kI. hindustAnake kitane hI hindIbhAShI muDane lage. digambar jo us or hindIbhAShI hai, vah sab muDane lage. yahAn nAnAlAl kAlIdAs derAvAsI hain, vah bhI is or muDe. ve mukhyarUpase bhAg lete hain. sthAnakavAsI mukhyapane, koI derAvAsI, digambar is or muDe. pUrA jIvan unhonne isI tarah vyatIt kiyA. ek AtmAkA karanA, ek AtmAke liye sab karate.

mumukShu- svargavAs huA us vakta kitanI umra thI?

samAdhAna- 91.

mumukShu- sansAr to unhonne bhogA hI nahIn na?

samAdhAna- nahIn. bAl brahmachArI the. vivAh nahIn kiyA. sabane Agrah kiyA, lekin kahA, mujhe dIkShA lenI hai aur mujhe brahmachArI hI rahanA hai. dIkShA le lI. 45

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varShamen sthAnakavAsI sampradAyakA parivartan kiyA. 45 varShakI umramen.

mumukShu- unakA vyavasAy kyA thA?

samAdhAna- pAlejamen unake bhAI chalAte the. ve to nirlep (rahate the). ve to 24 varShakI umramen nikal gaye. kirAnekA. pAlejamen vyApAr bahut achchhA chalatA thA.

mumukShu- Ap kitane sAlase..

samAdhAna- main to 17 sAlakI umrase AtI-jAtI rahatI thI. 19 varShakI umrase parichay (huA). merI 19 sAlakI umra thI.

mumukShu- tabase Apako parichay hai. dhanya hai Apako! itanI chhoTI umrase Ap unake sAth rahakar..

samAdhAna- .. abhI to devalokamen hain. lekin ve to mahApuruSh koI apUrva puruSh the. uchcha AtmA, mokShagAmI. ... vah sab bAharakA hai. bAkI unakI AtmAkI bAt, AtmA hI alag thA.

mumukShu- parantu is or muDaneke liye kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- AtmAko pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. pahale to yah sansAr dukharUp hai, AtmAmen hI sukh hai, aise antaramense ruchi karanI chAhiye. phir usakA vichAr, vAnchan sab (karanA). andarase jignAsA karanI chAhiye. AtmA andar ek shAshvat vastu hai. use pahachAnaneke liye prayatna karanA chAhiye. yah sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna, andar vikalpa hote hain vah nahIn, svayam siddha bhagavAn jaisA hai. lekin vah nakkI kab ho? svayam kuchh vichAr kare, vAnchan kare, sachchI samajh kare to samajhamen Aye aisA hai.

..kyA hai nakkI karanA chAhiye, vAnchan, vichAr karanA chAhiye. sat mArga kyA hai, use khojakar satya kyA hai, yah nakkI karanA. satya kyA hai? aur AtmA kyA hai? satya kyA hai yah vichArase nakkI karanA chAhiye, to Age baDhA jAya. utanI jignAsA honI chAhiye na ki mujhe AtmAkA karanA hai. AtmAkA karanA hai, aisI laganI lagI ho to satya khojaneko vaisA satsang DhUnDhe, vaise vichAr kare, vAnchan kare, satya kahanevAle kaun hai, use khojaneke liye koI satyakI bAt karate ho vahAn unakA satsang kare to hotA hai.

mumukShu- digambar panthakA AcharaN kiyA...

samAdhAna- bhes to pahanate the, lekin ve svayam brahmachArI bhesamen rahate the. ek muhapatti chhoDI, bAkI kuchh nahIn. koI muni banakar vastra nikAlakar digambar (ho) vah alag, koI brahmachArI rahe, anek prakArase rahate hain, usakI koTi hotI hai. lAkhon logonko unhonne is or moDA. unake bhakta vah unake shiShya hain. bAkI unake bAd koI shiShya

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ho, us tarahase shiShya nahIn. unake lAkhon bhakta hain. 45-45 sAl tak vANI barasAyI. bahut jIv taiyAr ho gaye hain. har gAmvamen mumukShu maNDal chatA hai. sab gAmvamen vAnchan chalatA hai, har jagaha. yahAn bhI vAnchan chalatA hai.

mumukShu- unake bAd padavI lenevAlA koI...? samAdhAna- aisI koI padavI Adi nahIn. mumukShu- aisA jIv UnchA hai na. samAdhAna- mArga dikhAkar gaye, vANI barasAkar gaye. shiShya hai, aisA kuchh unhonne rakhA nahIn.