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samAdhAna- .. tU dekh, usake liye prayAs kar, bhedagnAnakA abhyAs kara. chha mahine tak abhyAs kara. phir hotA hai ki nahIn, tU dekha. aisA shAstramen AtA hai. AchAryadev kahate hain, are..! bhAI! tU dekha. paDosI hokar dekha. andar gnAyakadev virAjatA hai. yah sharIr bhinna, yah vibhAvasvabhAv terA nahIn hai. tU usase bhinna (hai). yah shubhAshubh bhAv sab AkulatArUp (hai), usase tU bhinna hai. gnAyakakI shraddhA kar, usamen lInatA kar, usakI pratIti kar to antaramen hotA hai ki nahIn tU dekha.

jo anAdikA ekatvatAkA abhyAs hai, svamen ekatva aur parase vibhakta aisI shraddhA karake pariNati pragaT kar to phir hotA hai ki nahIn tU dekha. tU prasanna ho. puruShArtha kar to he sake aisA hai. na ho aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- AchAryadev kahate hain ki ekabAr tU kutUhal kara.

samAdhAna- kutUhal kar, usamen Ashcharya kar, tU dekh andar hotA hai yA nahIn. to tujhe hue binA rahegA nahIn. tU svayam hI hai. dUsarA koI nahIn hai ki vah svayamko gupta rakhe. tU svayam hI hai. ananta shaktiyonse (bharapUr) anant mahimAvant AtmA tU hI hai. use tU pahachAn aur usakA puruShArtha kara. sAvadhAn hokar puruShArtha karake tU dekh to hue binA rahegA nahIn.

kAl koI bhI ho, kAl use bAdhA nahIn karatA. Age prApta kiyA, nigodamense nikalakar ... bharatake ghar putra hue aur thoDI deramen bhagavAnakA upadesh sunA aur samyagdarshan evan munidashA A gayI. to AtmA kare to kShaNamAtramen ho sake aisA hai. ek antarmuhUrtamen bhI ho sakatA hai. aur abhyAs kare to lambe samayake bAd ho sakatA hai. AchAryadev ugra puruShArtha kare use chha mahinemen tU dekh hotA hai yA nahIn, aisA AchAryadev kahate hain. aisA tU ugra puruShArtha kara. tU bAharamen paDA hai, terI ruchi bAhar hai. antaramen ruchi kar, antarakI shraddhA kara. tU usamen jAkar dekha. tujhe hogA hI, vahI terA svabhAv hai, dUsarA koI terA svabhAv hI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- koI aisA kahatA hai ki OM kAr bhajanese nirvikalpa dashA A jAtI hai?

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samAdhAna- OM kAr bhajanese nirvikalpatAmen A sakatA hai, aisA hIn hai. vah to dhyAn-shubhadhyAn hai. gnAyakake avalambanase nirvikalpatA hotI hai. OMke dhyAnase nirvikalpatA nahIn hotI. aisA nahIn hai. OM to bhagavAnakI vANI hai. OMkA dhyAn vah vANIkA dhyAn hai. andar sAthamen gnAyakakA dhyAn honA chAhiye. shuddhAtmAke dhyAnase andar jA sakatA hai, OMke dhyAnase nahIn jA sakate. vah to vANI hai, bhagavAnakI vANI hai, ThIk hai, shubhabhAv hai. OMko yAd karanA shubhabhAv hai, parantu andar shuddhAtmAmen jAneke liye gnAyakakA Ashray (chAhiye).

mumukShu- bhAv aur pariNAm kis prakArake hote hain? bhAv aur pariNAm, jab AtmAko nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai, usase pahale.

samAdhAna- vah to us sambandhit hI hote hain. use nAm kyA de, bhAv aur pariNAmako. gnAyakakI or pariNati, gnAyakakA avalamban, gnAyakakI shraddhA, gnAn, lInatA sab gnAyakakI or hai.

mumukShu- samyagdarshan hotA hai tab kis prakArakA Ananda AtA hai?

samAdhAna- svayam puruShArtha kare, gnAyakakI ugratAkA. svayamko puruShArthakI or hI dhyAn hotA hai. gnAyakakI ugratAkA puruShArtha (hotA hai). usakA niyam nahIn bAndh sakate. puruShArta kab uThe? svayamko aisA hotA hai ki gnAyak karIb hai. bAkI usakA niyam nahIn bAndh sakate.

mumukShu- aisA hotA hai kyA ki gnAyak samIp hai?

samAdhAna- samIp hai, parantu svayamko vishvAs lAnA... svayam to puruShArthakI dhUn, usakI pariNatimen jAtA hai. gnAyakakI ugratA, gnAyakake sivA koI ras nahIn hai, gnAyakakI hI mahimA, gnAyak.. gnAyak.. gnAyakadev hai. divya mahimAdhArI. sab ras uD jAtA hai. andar chaitanyamen jisako ras lag jAy, sabase virakta hokar antaramen chalA jAtA hai. kahIn use ras nahIn lagatA, koI vikalpamen Tik nahIn sakatA. gnAyakakI dhUn lage. gnAyakamen ... parantu gnAyakakI or ugratA (hotI hai).

.. phir 1989kI sAlamen gurudevake sAth chAturmAs karane gayI thI. phir to 1990kI sAlamen, aur usake bAd to 1991men yahAn sonagaDhamen A gaye. gurudevane parivartan kiyA usake bAd yahAn A gaye. pahale vAnkAneramen the. lAThInA utArAmen the. 1991 se 1993.

.. gurudevakI vANI hI aisI apUrva thI. gurudev is panchamakAlamen janme, mahAbhAgya! gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya svayam yahAn padhAre vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. unakI aisI vANI sabako sunane milI. barason tak vANI barasAyI hai. aisA is kAlamen bananA mushkila. 45-45 sAl tak sab mumukShuonko unakI vANI milI. unakA sAnnidhya milA, mahAbhAgya

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hai. gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya to koI alag hI thA.

mumukShu- ApashrIne prakAshit kiyA.

samAdhAna- unako aisA lagatA thA ki, main tIrthankar hUn. tIrthankarake svapna Ate the ki main tIrthankar hUn. tIrthankarake svapna gurudevako Ate the. unako to pahale AtA thA. mujhe to bAdamen AyA, parantu unako to pahale AtA thA.

mumukShu- gurudevane us vakta to kuchh bAhar nahIn kahA thA.

samAdhAna- vah bAt kisIko nahIn kahatI hUn, yah gurudevakI bAt hI kahatI hUn ki yah gurudev bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain. yahAn padhAre, vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai.

mumukShu- gurudev yah shabda bole na, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA.

samAdhAna- svanyane kahA ki trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab tujhe kyA chAhiye? videhakShetramen sImandhar bhagavAnane kahA ki yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAle hain. vah bAt gurudevane sunI. isaliye kahA ki trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? aisA gurudevane kahA.

mumukShu- bahut jabarajasta bAt hai.

samAdhAna- videhakShetramen bhagavAn virAjate hain. gurudevake svapna Ate the. svayam rAjakumAr hain. tIrthankaratvake svapna unhen Ate the. unako yah sab sphuraNA hotI thI. sImandhar bhagavAn sAkShAt videhakShetramen virAjate hain. unakI vANImen AyA ki yah rAjakumAr bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honevAlA hai. gurudevane sunA, isaliye kahA, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye?

mumukShu- .. chalatI thI aur svayamko..

samAdhAna- gurudevane bAdamen kahA ki mujhe tIrthankarake svapna Ate hain. mujhe to mAlUm bhI nahIn thA ki gurudevako tIrthankarake svapna Ate hain. yahAn to kudaratI sahaj AyA.

mumukShu- gurudevako OM dhvani bhI vAnkAneramen hI AyA na.

samAdhAna- hAn.

mumukShu- samyagdarshanake pahale bhI 12 sAl pahale.

samAdhAna- hAn. OM dhvani, (samvat) 1977kI sAlamen. OM dhvani pahalI bAr vAnkAneramen, dUsarI bAr umarAlAmen, tIsarI bAr vinchhIyAmen. tIn bAr (AyA). vinchhIyAmen thoDA jyAdA AyA, parantu shuruAt vAnkAnerase huyI. 1977.

mumukShu- aise tIrthankar bhagavAn jab OM kAr pharamAye, tab vANI jhelanevAle bhI.. mumukShu- bahinashrI pramukh shrotA the. hamen to unake hisAbase sab lAbh milA.

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samAdhAna- gurudevane to apUrva vANI barasAyI hai. mahApuruSh janma le, unake pIchhe kitane hI hote hain. gurudevake pIchhe. gurudevako anek prakArake svapna tIrthankaratva sambandhit Ate the. tIn lokako gurudev AhvAn karate hain, yahAn Ao, hitake liye. tIn loka. mAtra bharat kShetrako hI nahIn, tIn lokako AhvAn kaun kare? svayam tIn lokase utkRuShTa ho to mAre na. svayam sarvotkRuShTa tIrthankarakA dravya ho use hI aisA Aye. tIn lokako AhvAn kare ki hitake liye yahAn Ao. aise svapna gurudevako tIrthankaratva sambandhit svapna bahut Ate the.

mumukShu- svAdhyAy mandiramen .. Ap baiThe ho aur samavasaraNamen jA rahe ho, vah dRushya to itane sundar lagate hain...

samAdhAna- gurudevake pAs bahut sunA hai. bhagavAn virAjate hain, munionkA jhunD vicharatA hai, digambar munionkA. mArga chAlU hai, chaturtha kAl vartatA hai. yahAn pancham kAlamen munionke darshan to durlabh hai. yah mahAbhAgya, gurudev padhAre vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai.

mumukShu- sImandhar bhagavAn us vakta kyA karate the? kaise the?

samAdhAna- kyA karate ho? samavasaraNen baiThe ho. unako karanA to kuchh nahIn hai. kRutakRutya ho gaye hain, vItarAg ho gaye hain. unhen kuchh karanA nahIn hotA. divyadhvanikA kAl ho us vakta divyadhvani chhUTatI hai. bAkI ve to AtmAmen virAjate hain. unhen bAharakA kuchh nahIn hai. sharIramAtra hai. bAkI AtmAmen virAjate hain. unake dehakA didAr bhI alag, sab alaga. kaise lagate hain? use kyA kahe?

mumukShu- mahAvidehake rAjakumAr aur vartamAnake gurudev, in dononke bAhya AkAramen to bahut pharka hotA hai na? rAjakumAr hai isaliye jharIyukta vastra pahane ho aur vartamAnamen gurudev bAl brahmachArI, to kaise mAlUm paDe?

samAdhAna- vah jAtismaraNakA hI viShay hai. mati nirmalamen jAtismaraNamen jAnanemen AtA hai. shAstrommen nahIn AtA hai? ki mainne ise itane bhav pahale dekhA hai. aisA shAstrommen AtA hai. shAstra virUddha kuchh nahIn hai.

mumukShu- Apane us din kahA thA na ki gurudevakA vihAr ho tab aisA hotA thA ki inako pahale dekhA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn. gurudevako kahIn dekhA hai, aisA hotA thA. pahale main kahatI thI, sUratamen kahatI thI, himmatabhAIko kahatI thI. gurudevako kahIn dekhA hai. jAtismaraN.. yah hai, unako mainne (dekhA hai). pUrvamen the, AhAr dete hain, sab AtA hai. jAtismaNarake ese bahut dRuShTAnt Ate hain.

mumukShu- svayamne jo dekhA ho vah jAtismaraNamen spaShTa dikhAI de.

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samAdhAna- spaShTa AtA hai. vah kuchh jyAdA nahIn kahanA hai. samay ho gayA hai.

mumukShu- shuddhAtmAkA Alamban abhiprAyamen hotA hai? gnAnamen rahatA hai ki dhyAnake kAlamen hotA hai? Alamban lenA mAne kyA?

samAdhAna- gurudevane mArga batAyA hai. gnAyakakA Ashray lenA. Alamban lenA arthAt gnAyakako grahaN karanA. abhiprAy shraddhAmen hotA hai, gnAnamen hotA hai aur dhyAnake kAlamen bhI hotA hai. har samay gnAyakakA Ashray hotA hai. gnAyak binAkI pariNati hotI hI nahIn, gnAyakake Ashray binAkI. dhyAnakAle use visheSh lInatA hotI hai, isaliye visheSh lInatA hotI hai. adhik Ashray letA hai. bAkI Ashray to sabamen hotA hai. shraddhAmen hotA hai, gnAnamen hotA hai aur dhyAnakAlamen bhI hotA hai. koI bAr Alamban na ho to use sAdhakadashA hI nahIn kahate. jisamen gnAyak nahIn hai, jisamen gnAyakakA Ashray nahIn hai, gnAyakakI pariNati yadi maujUd nahIn hai, bhale bAharamen ho yA antaramen ho, nirvikalpa ho yA savikalpa ho, parantu yadi gnAyakakI pariNati maujUd nahIn hai to vah sAdhakadashA hI nahIn hai.

upayog bAhar Aye to use ekatva nahIn hotA, bhinna hI bhinna rahatA hai, gnAyak gnAyak hI rahatA hai. shraddhAmen, gnAnamen, sabamen use gnAyakakA hI avalamban hotA hai. mere darshanamen bhI AtmA, mere gnAnamen bhI AtmA, sabamen AtA hai. "mujh gnAnamAn AtmA khare, darshan, charitamAn AtmA, pachchakhANamAn AtmA, samvar yogamAn paN AtmA'. sabamen AtmAkI hI pariNati hai, gnAyakakI. main to jahAn dekhun vahAn gnAyakako hI dekhatA hUn. gnAyakake sivA mujhe kuchh dikhAI nahIn detA. jahAn dekhUn vahAn bhagavAn jinendra devako dekhun, aise jahAn dekhun vahAn main gnAyakadevako dekhun. merI sAdhakadashAmen gnAnakI ArAdhanAmen, darshanakI ArAdhanA aur chAritrakI ArAdhanAmen, dhyAnakAlamen merA gnAyak hI hotA hai.

gnAyakakA avalamban to chhUTatA nahIn hai. usakI lInatA dhyAnake kAlamen adhik hotI hai. bAkI gnAyak.. gnAyak, usakI gnAyakakI pariNati to sadA kAl chAlU hI rahatI hai. jo shubhakA AcharaN ho, panch mahAvratake pariNAm ho, munionko kisakA sharaN hai? gnAyakakA sharaN hai. vah svayam apanemen-gnAn gnAnamen AcharaN karatA huA usamen pariNaman kare. gnAyak gnAyakamen pariNaman karatA hai. chhaThThA ho isaliyee pUrI dashA, svarUpakI sampUrNa dashA nahIn hai, parantu abhI adhurApan hai. upayog bAhar Aye isaliye nay, pramANake vikalpa Ate hain. dRuShTi to gnAyak par hai. isaliye use shuddhanay, vikalpa rahit shuddha pariNati hai. pramANakI amuk pariNati hai. gnAyak gnAyakarUp pariNamatA hai. lekin upayogarUp use nay, pramANake vikalpa sAthamen Aye binA rahate nahIn.

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shrutakA vichAr kare, nay, pramAN, vastukA svarUp, dravya-guN-paryAyake vichAr Aye, anek prakArake use vichAr Ate hain. sAdhakadashA adhurI hai, abhI paryAy adhurI hai, adhurI paryAy, pUrNa paryAy sabake vichAr Ate hain. chhaThThA-sAtavAn guNasthAn, munikI dashA kaisI ho, kevalagnAn kaisA ho, un sabakA vichAr (Ate hain). paryAy adhUrI hai, AchAryadev kahate hain, are..re..! abhI pUrNatA nahIn huyI hai, isaliye ham is vyavahAramen khaDe hain. abhI yah paryAy adhUrI hai. khed hai ki usamen AnA paDatA hai. paryAy adhUrI hai, isaliye nay, pramANake vichAr use Ate hain, Aye binA rahate nahIn. pUrNa dashA nahIn huyI hai.

suvarNa solah vAl shuddha ho gayA, use koI jarUrat nahIn hai. jo pUrNa vItarAg ho gaye, paryAyamen pUrNa vItarAg aur vastu to vItarAgasvarU hai. pUrNa shuddhAtmA hai. parantu paryAyamen bhI jo pUrNa vItarAg ho gaye, unhen kuchh nahIn hotA. parantu jise adhUrApan hai, bIchamen sAdhakadashA hai, abhI lInatA bAkI hai, chAritradashA bAkI hai, isaliye muni ho to bhI, unhen bhI nay, pramANake vichAr Ate hain. shAstra likhe, anek jAtake dev- guru-shAstrake vichAr hote hain. panch mahAvratake pariNAm hote haiain. bIchamen nay, pramAN vastuko jAnaneke liye, nay-pramAN Aye binA rahate nahIn, vikalparUpase.

dRuShTimen gnAyakako grahaN kiyA vah pariNati to chAlU hI hai. muniko chhaThThe guNasthAn anusAr chAlU hai aur chauthe guNasthAnamen usakI dashA anusAr use chAlU hai. munikI lInatA jyAdA hai, isakI amuk lInatA kam hai. parantu shraddhA aur gnAn aur amuk svarUpAcharaN chAritra hai. muniko visheSh hai. munikI dashA anusAr, muniko bhI shrutake vichAr to Ate hain.