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mumukShu- .. yathArtha gnAn to usake sAth hotA hI hai. parantu isake atirikta yah hitarUp aur ahitarUp, arthAt sukh aur dukh, AshrayakI apekShAse jo hitarUp hai vah main hUn, jo hitarUp nahIn hai vah sab mujhase bhinna hai. arthAt utpAd-vyay bhI is apekShAse .. kyonki usakA Ashray karane jAy to vahAn bhI use vikalpa utpanna hotA hai, dukh utpanna hotA hai. gnAyakakA Ashray kare to use jo prayojan prApta karanA hai, sukh aur shAnti prApta hote hain. is prakAr jo shraddhAmen bal AtA hai, gnAnamen to..

samAdhAna- vichAr karanemen to koI dikkat nahIn hai. ek dravyakA hI Ashray liyA, ek dravya hI AshrayabhUt hai. paryAy to AshrayabhUt nahIn hai. parantu use gnAnamen bhale khyAlamen hai ki dravya aur paryAy donon dravyakA hI rUp hai. dravya hI hai. parantu jo shAshvat TikanevAlA hai vah AshrayarUp hai. aur vah hitarUp is prakAr hai ki usakA Ashray lenese paryAyamen nirmalatA AtI hai. parantu jo utpAd hotA hai, vah sarvathA ahitarUp nahIn hai. use gnAnamen utanA khyAl honA chAhiye ki vah sarvathA ahitarUp nahIn hai. utpAd to nirmal paryAyakA bhI hotA hai. aur vah nirmal paryAy sukharUp bhI hai. kyonki jo pragaT hotI hai vah sukhakA kAraN hotI hai. AnandakA vedan paryAyamen AtA hai. isaliye vah sukhakA kAraN hai. arthAt sarvathA ahitarUp nahIn hai. amuk apekShAse hai.

mumukShu- AshrayakI apekShAse athavA usakA lakShya karanese vikalpa utpanna hotA hai, aisI samajhanapUrvak ahitarUp hai.

samAdhAna- lakShya karanA yA usakA Ashray karanA vah hitarUp nahIn hai, parantu dravyakA Ashray karanA vahI kalyANakA kAraN hai. vahI AshrayarUp hai. usake Ashrayase hI sab pragaT hotA hai. usamen koI bhI bhAShA (Aye), hit-ahit, lekin use khyAl rahe ki yah paryAy, nirmal paryAy chaitanyamen pragaT hotI hai. itanA use khyAl honA chAhiye.

bhedagnAn kare ki yah vibhAvaparyAy main nahIn hUn, vah to merA svabhAv hI nahIn hai. aur us bhedagnAnakA jo jor hai ki yah dravya aur yah vibhAvaparyAy, in dononkA svabhAvabhed (hai). usakA jo bal hai vah bal to ekadam (hotA hai). phir yah nirmal paryAy (hotI hai), vah koI apekShAse, main shAshvat hUn usakA bhedagnAn, usase jo bhinna

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paDe usake joramen aur vibhAvase bhinna paDe usake joramen, us joramen use khyAl hotA hai, us joramen use pharka paDatA hai. pahalevAlA jor to atyant bhinna hUn, aisA jor AtA hai. aur nirmal paryAyamen atyant bhinna hUn, aisA nahIn AtA hai. parantu apekShAse ansh hai aur main yah trikAlI hUn. aise hotA hai. usamen hit-ahit jo bhI ho... parantu Ashray chaitanyakA hai. yah Ashray lene yogya nahIn hai. Ashray hitakA kAraN nahIn hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! itanI bhinnatA pahale jab tak nahIn AtI hai, tab tak aisA lagatA hai ki kuchh na kuchh paryAyakI apekShA rah jAtI hai.

samAdhAna- khyAlamen sab hai. khyAlamen hotA hai isaliye usake joramen amuk hai. parantu dravya par dRuShTimen jor (rahatA hai ki), yah main, yah chaitanyadravya vahI main hUn, usamen sab paryAyen svayam samA jAtI hai. dRuShTikA jor ek dravya par hI rahatA hai. paryAy par anAdikA hai isaliye paryAyakI bhAnjagaD karatA rahatA hai. yah pariNAm, yah pariNAm... aise.

gurudev aisA hI kahate the ki dravya par dRuShTi kare. isaliye usakA bal dhArAvAhI rahe. pariNAmakI bhAnjagaDamen khaDA nahIn rahe. main ek gnAyak hI hUn. phir use aisA Aye ki yah merA svarUp nahIn hai. yah mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. aisA sAth-sAth hotA hai. dravyake jorake sAth-sAth gnAn kAm karatA rahatA hai.

mumukShu- ApakI kRupAse main hRudayase kahatA hUn, shraddhAke sAth gnAn sAth-sAth rahatA hai, yah jo Apane biThAyA hai, vah to aisA baiTh gayA hai ki shraddhAkI jo bhI bAt chalatI ho, phir bhI gnAnakA viShay aur gnAnakA kArya, donon ..

samAdhAna- .. ek dravya par dRuShTi kare to sab gutthI sulajh jAtI hai. main yah ek shAshvat dravya hUn. usakA jor Ave to vah sab gutthI gauN ho jAtI hai. ekako lakShyamen lenese sab bhramajAl chhUT jAtI hai.

.. usamen koI nukasAnakA kAraN nahIn hai. dRuShTi anAdise nahIn kI hai. dravyadRuShTike bal binA Age nahIn baDh sakatA. isaliye gurudev ekadam dravyadRuShTike jorase, usakI pUrI dRuShTi palaT jAy aise jorase upadeshamen kahate the aur vastu svarUp dravyadRuShTike joramen hI Age baDhatA hai. isaliye dravyadRuShTike jorake sAth gnAnamen yah khyAl honA chAhiye. kitanonko ekAnta ho jAtA hai, isaliye nukasAnakA kAraN hotA hai. dravyadRuShTi jor to mukhya hai, parantu usake sAth yah honA chAhiye. vah to mukhya hai, dravyadRuShTikA jora.

.. sab mumbaIkA thA. Uparamen. sab daravAje par Uparake bhAgamen us prakArase sajAvaT kI thI. pahale huA nahIn thA, sab pahalI bAr thA isaliye...

mumukShu- ..

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samAdhAna- hAn. udaghATan kiyA thA.

mumukShu- unhonne tIn hajAr diye the. svAdhyAy mandirake kampAunDamen. tIn hajAr to unhonne likhAyA thA. tIn hajAr to un dinommen tIn lAkhase bhI jyAdA lagate the. isaliye unake hAthonse udaghATan karavAyA thA. ..

samAdhAna- pUrva dishAmen. pUrva dishAkA jo daravAjA thA na...

mumukShu-

samAdhAna- shItalaprasAdajI.

mumukShu- hIrAbhAIke bangalese gurudev padhAre to ghUmaghAmase padhAre the.

samAdhAna- hAn, dhUmadhAmase padhAre the.

mumukShu- lAThInA utArese vahAnse chAndIke thAlamen pustak lekar (Aye the).

mumukShu- hamen to kuchh mAlUm hI nahIn hai.

samAdhAna- us vaktakA to yAd hI hotA hai na. pahalI bAr thA. sab pahalese svAdhyAy mandiramen jAkar gIt gAte the. sab bhakti karate the. thoDI bahanen (jAtI thI).

mumukShu- us vakta to ApakI umra bhI chhoTI thI.

samAdhAna- 24 varSha. himmatabhAI aur dUsare sab vahAnse "dharmadhvaj pharake chhe more mandiriye...' vah sab gAte-gAte Ate the.

mumukShu- sankhyA kitanI hogI?

samAdhAna- us vakta yahAn to sankhyA kam thI. parantu bAharagAmvase sab mumukShu Aye the. bAharagAmvake Aye the. lagabhag svAdhyAy mandir pUrA bhar gayA thA. kam nahIn thI.

mumukShu- gardI ho gayI thI.

samAdhAna- hAn, gardI ho gayI thI. khiDakI par aur dUsarI jagah khaDe the.

mumukShu- shItalaprasAdajI... samayasAr virAjamAn kiyA. us vakta gardI thI.

samAdhAna- hAn, gardI thI. khiDakImen sab log khaDe the. shItalaprasAdajI us din kudaratI yahAn Aye the, yahAn the hI. phir koI mantra bole the. kuchh bhI bole honge.

mumukShu- un dinommen kahAn..

samAdhAna- gurudev udaghATan karate hain, vah phoTo nahIn AyA hai. vah nahIn hai. kholate hain, vah sab nahIn hai. sampradAy gurudevane chhoDA thA, nahIn to gurudev pratiShThA karate. lekin gurudev abhI un sabamen nahIn the, isaliye gurudevane aisA kahA.

mumukShu- Aj hI gurudev bhagavatIsvarUp bole the. svAdhyAy mandiramen.. utsAhakA pAr nahIn thA. ...

samAdhAna- svAdhyAy mandiramen guruedav padhAre, prabhAvanA bahut honevAlI thI isaliye

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vah shobhI bhI alag thI. gurudev, aise mangalakArI mangalamUrti gurudev padhAre isaliye prabhAvanA bahut joradAr honevAlI thI, isaliye us vakta sabako utsAh bhI bahut thA aur vah shobhA itanI lagatI thI. sabako harShakA pAr nahIn thA. aisA lagatA thA.

mumukShu- pUre gAmvamen..

samAdhAna- utanA harSha..

mumukShu- main .. ophisamen AyA, mainne Akar dekhA to yah kyA hai? ... isaliye pUchhA ki yah kyA hai? aisA to kuchh thA nahIn. usane kahA, ek sAdhu Aye hain. mainne kahA, sAdhu Aye ho usamen aisA kahAnse? isaliye main dekhane AyA. gurudev AhArake bAd chakkar lagAte the. gurudevako dekhA.. ???

samAdhAna- aisA lagatA thA ki mAno tairatA huA jahAj ho. bahut log aisA kahate the. aisA kahate the. us din to bhaktimen pahalese Adat aisI ki dhajA lekar ghume to bhI sabako utsAh AtA thA. dhajA le-lekar phirate the. vahAn jAkar tAlI bajAye, bhakti kare. itanA utsAh AtA thA ki mAno apane kitanA karate hain.

mumukShu- pratiShThAse pahale ATh-das dinase..

samAdhAna- mangal.. mangal... gurudev pratApI puruSha. chAron or prabhAvanA honevAlI thI isaliye mAno itanA mangalakArI aur bahut lagatA thA, sabako bahut bhAvanA thI. itanA utsAh thA. mangalamUrti gurudev usamen padhAre isaliye shobhA bhI utanI. yahAn rahanevAle log kam the, parantu bAharase jo mumukShu the vah sab Aye the. svAdhyAyakA bahut thA, isaliye gurudevane svAdhyAy mandir kahA. svAdhyAy mandir (nAm) rakhiye.

mumukShu- popaTabhAIne..

samAdhAna- lekin gurudevako svayamko thA.

mumukShu- gurudevako svAdhyAyakA to bahut thA.

samAdhAna- bahut thA. pratiShThAkA gurudevane nakkI kiyA thA. samayasAr AdikA gurudevane nakkI kiyA thA. yahAn samayasArakI pratiShThA karanI. yahAn hamane Akar utthAn nahIn kiyA hai. gurudevako shAstrakA bahut thA na, isaliye.

mumukShu- sthApanA karanekA gurudevane Apako hI kahA ho, isIliye... nahIn to..

mumukShu- Ajake din jo bhI prabhAvanA huyI hai usakA .. yahAn svAdhyAy mandiramen hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, svAdhyAy mandir hai. .. vah bAt pUrI alag thI. abhI sabako... gIt bhI aise gAte the, "surendra Avo gagananA, svAdhyAy mandire utaro, Avo gavaiyA svarganA, suvarNanA medAnamAn...' aisA sab gAte the. gaganamense utarenge. sabako aisI bhAvanA hotI thI. "surendro Avo gagananA, svAdhyAy mandire, kunda kundanA jay nAd bolo aur

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gurudevanA jay nAd bolo. sangIt svargamAnthI lAvajo ne ahIn gAjo.. Avajo granthAdhipati... gurudevanA guNagAnamAn Avajo..' gurudevake padhAranese pahale vahAn svAdhyAy mandiramen jA-jAkar gAte the.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! Apako bhaktimen to pahalese.. chhoTI umra thI isaliye kitanA utsAh hogA aur kaisA gavAte honge.

samAdhAna- sabhI bahanen gAtI thI.

mumukShu- pustak bhI dekhiye na chhoTI chhapavAyI thI.

samAdhAna- mandir huA na, usake bAd bhaktikA progrAm huA. roj bhakti karavAkar, sab gAye. usake pahale bhaktikA progrAm (nahIn thA). main gAUn aur sab gAye, aisA progrAm nahIn thA. bhAv Aye aur gAne lage. kitanI bahane sAthamen gAtI thI. bhagavAn padhAre usake bAd bhaktikA progrAm huA. vyAkhyAn sunane jAte. usake bAd nivRutti. samay ho tab shAstra paDhatI thI, dhyAn karatI thI. vah progrAma. mandir nahIn thA, isaliye darshan Adi kuchh nahIn thA. isaliye gurudevakA do vaktakA pravachan sunakar, bAdamen dhyAn aur gnAnamen. basa. usamen rahanA thA. vAnchan aur dhyAna. bahanonke bIch vAnchan karatI thI. dUsare koI progrAm nahIn the.

mumukShu- vAnchan us samayase shurU ho gayA thA?

samAdhAna- bahanomme. lekin bahane kitanI thI, thoDI bahane thI. vahAn ek kamarA hai usamen A jAte the. lAThInA utArAmen thoDe ghar the aur thoDe Age-pIchhe the. samiti aur bAkI sab usake bAd huA. is orake sab ghar bAdamen hue. ek lAThIno utAro, vaDAno utAro, donon jagah the. koI-koI gAmvamen ho. dUsarA koI nahIn thA.

mumukShu- usake bAd phir sIdhe svAdhyAy mandiramen Aye.

samAdhAna- vahAnse sIdhe svAdhyAy mandira. bIchamen pUrA jangal thA. sab khet the. pUrA jangal aur ek svAdhyAy mandira. usake pIchhe seniToriyam thA.

mumukShu- ekadam andherA.. samAdhAna- lAlaTen the. lAlaTenamen paDhanA, karanA Adi. lAlaTen the. mumukShu- vaDAnA utArAmen... samAdhAna- hAn, vaDAnA utArAmen rasoIghar thA. gurudevakA phoTo rakhate the aur gharapar bhaktikA progrAm shuru kiyA thA. aisA kiyA thA. aise kiyA thA. svAdhyAy mandirake samay vahAn phoTo, samayasArakI sthApanA. vahAn jAkar bhakti karate the. aise karate the.